Guild Wars 2

laokoko.7403:

I’m quite a game addict, and probalby spend more time arguing on the forum because of my bad personality.

But honestly, I can’t find any mmorpg that have that many people complain about flipping beside gw2 and diablo 3. Maybe you can try name me a few, and find me topics on those forum, so I can check it.

I even asked on other mmorpg forum, and people just say no they dont’ complain there, and people here syas yes they complain here. I’ll try ask on mmorpg.com, maybe i’ll get more feedback.

My apologies, I missed the part where you were referencing flipping in particular, so my post above was about the trading system as a whole. With specific regard to flipping, there won’t be as many complaints because most MMOs have an auction house system which nicely hides the flipping so the general playerbase doesn’t even know it is going on and thus would have no reason to complain.

laokoko.7403:

I think the difference is people actually complain.

Sure every game have flipping. But people felt like to complain on the GW2 forum and not else where.

Most other games don’t have a dedicated forum for the trading post, so any complaints they would have would be instantly buried on the forum whereas here they stay at the top and thus appear to be more common. I’ve been a pretty avid forumgoer for all the MMOs I’ve played, I don’t notice a difference in the number of complaints here compared to other games, they are just easier to find.

phys.7689:

exchange systems exist to create a common ground for making an exchange of goods an services,

Wrong, that’s “currency”.

they try to make the process of exchange more effecient, but they do little for making the actual supply/manufacture more effecient, other than allowing people to specialize.

By allowing people to specialize (division of labor) they directly lead to efficiency in all aspects of the economy, not just wealth acquisition. Manufacturers can work out new ways to make pots because they don’t have to also figure out how to grow corn and raise pigs.

Which in this game is kind of moot because they dont allow you to specialize in supplying needs or providing services very often.

Using money in and of itself doesnt make cows make more milk, or make scientists smarter, or make tables get made faster.

You are certainly allowed to focus your time into a single activity, so you can “specialize”. That’s the whole point of the exchange system, allowing people who only do PvP to enjoy things that PvE players find and sell, for example.

As for your currency comment (money), using money allows you to convert your specialty into a currency that can be traded on the exchange for the specialty of another person. It may not make the cows produce more milk, but it allows you to enjoy milk without having a cow.

phys.7689:

i dont think that is true, I made most of my money in other games by hunting big game/small man instances/raids/or hunting specific monsters. Perhaps the Tp overlords were making so much more money, but it was a rarer form of play, and required pretty big time investments and greater risks.

basically AH mavens had to pay adventurers to get the best items, and some were exclusive, though they werent necessarilly the “best” items they usually offered some different stats.

I remember at some points they made TP sellable items a bit rarer, and had untradeable versions that one could hunt for.

All exchange systems exist in order to make acquiring things more efficient. These efficient exchanges lead to a higher rate of return than any other type of value add activity because they are efficient, and doing things yourself is not. Any time you have an exchange system, the people who use it will accumulate wealth SIGNIFICANTLY faster than those who don’t because they are leveraging Division of Labor.

This would not be feasible for any type of stackable item and wouldn’t be needed for any non stackable item.

The reason it wouldn’t be feasible is because items like Mithril ore are currently treated as a single stack with a number bit attached. In order to keep track of which ores have been sold before, you would need to at a minimum double the amount of data being tracked and at worst would increase the data by 25,000% (that’s a comma, as in Twenty Five Thousand Percent). The game would become unplayable due to the lag involved.

Just as an FYI, the only way you can make “playing the game” provide a better return for your time than “playing the market” is to prohibit any type of player to player transactions.

All loot is bound to you forever.
Welcome to the grindhouse, it gets worse here every day.

Vlad Morbius.1759:

2) As for the TP. there is no reason to keep it the same as it is, your personal preferences are not a justification for “good design”

Change is unnecessary unless it is necessary.

Show that it is necessary to change the TP and we’ll back you.

Vlad Morbius.1759:

All other areas of the game have had limitations put on them so things could not be abused to make excessive amounts of money all except the trading post. So by your logic it is ok that this one and only way to be really profitable in the game is kept this way but that doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that you use it right? That is pretty shortsighted, and certainly isn’t in the best interest of the health of the game, just your way of playing.

All other areas of the game are designed to provide specific rewards that are created out of thin air which causes inflation.

The trading post is players making deals with each other of their own free will, thus it is not controlled at all and does not create rewards out of thin air that cause inflation.

So to answer your question, yes, I am completely OK with that because that is the absolute best way to handle an economy AND it is in the best interest of the health of the game because it benefits ALL players.

Nerority.5013:

I have noticed that the Zephyr Rustskin Skin has shot way up in price. Is this because of its limited nature? If I have the 300 gold to get one would it be a good investment?

NEVER buy in after the price shoots up. That’s pretty much rule #1 of investing.

If the price has shot up then you are too late to get in on it.

Vlad Morbius.1759:

I don’t really care that you doubt who I am in real life, I have no reason to lie about it and I do understand how money works quite well I just completely disagree that this should be the best way to earn it because the game should never be designed with such limitations. Most certainly not if they intend to keep their customer base happy, not everyone is a financial guru and chooses to spend their free time playing the market which at this point is the only real alternative short of gambling with RNG if you wish to make a legendary etc. That as I’ve stated several times is just poor design and it needs to be fixed or at the very least controlled.

There isn’t a design flaw because the game is not designed to have the trading post be the most efficient way to acquire goods. It is the players who took a simple tool and turned it into the most efficient way to acquire goods in order to skip farming.

Once again, everything that is available on the trading post was put there by a player. You don’t have a problem with the market, you have a problem with other players.

Vlad Morbius.1759:

Which is the point I originally made, in an adventure game like GW2 there is something inherently wrong with the best way to earn gold which is the main currency used to purchase the items needed for the remainder of the content to be the trading system. There needs to be multiple paths to gain the currency needed not just one format and certainly not just a trading format, that is the flaw people are complaining about.

There are multiple paths. Where do you think the gold comes from prior to it being traded around on the trading post?

Dezert Stormz.7248:

Strange, been there quite often , wasn’t open, Guess bad luck, haven’t gone there in a bit, thought the temple check Sites were still working, Nvm then

@@ A forum admin, this can be closed then, its solved

The only thing I can think of is that you may be playing during off-peak hours and there just aren’t any people online?

But yeah, the sites are now invalid and you need to actually be on the map to determine if it is open since the Way Points will always show contested now.

Dezert Stormz.7248:

I got so much karma, Yet i cant spend it towards the Obi shards, I don’t like doing a dungeon with random tryhards to get (FotM) my shards, No one is doing temples anymore, i have been keeping a eye on multiple sites that track the temple states…
Never EVER since 2weeks have i seen one open(not sure about b4 the 2 weeks)… The vendor should be replaced/relocated/ Always accessible… Its just impossible to get people to do it these days.. Got the Karma , just no other way then to waste it on Orr Boxes that drop 10 shards per 150-200K Karma… Please Anet, Make the vendor accessible at all times… The Temples are just dead!!

Don’t look at the temple sites because they are no longer valid.

Orr is almost always live and open now.

Essence Snow.3194:

Ofc they sell. How do you think gold sellers get the ones they sell?

I don’t believe it is possible for a gold seller to sell a legendary weapon for a profit, so those who offer to sell one are simply scammers who collect up front and never deliver.

ZilentNight.5089:

Lol thank you for stating the obvious, I know its a cat.
Regardless of it being a cat or a donkey, it is still a mini pet.
The point of my post is that it is the previously a pack of 3 mini pets was sold at 300 gems.
This means each mini is around 100gem, but this mini is now 400 gem! 400% mark up?!
that makes no sense and based on this pricing Arctodus will also be 400 gems?
Now are you going to tell me there are Arctodus people also?

The fact that it is a cat is the only point to regard. Tons of cat people will spend 400 gems for a cat mini pet. No one will spend 400 gems for an Arctodus mini pet because there are no Arctodus people.

The 400% mark up makes perfect sense because it will not deter cat people from buying the cat minipet.

It’s been a while since I’ve socketed anything, but I seem to remember that there is a warning box that asks “Are you SURE you want to replace the Sigil of Kind of Awesome with the Sigil of Super Awesome?”.

I don’t think the sell listing price for the most expensive Twilight (the one you can see when you first open the Black Lion page and it lists the most expensive items) has changed since it was first posted.

The Trading Post uses a separate executable file to operate. Your firewall/anti-virus system may be blocking the process. It is called awesonium.exe, so be sure to allow that process to go through your security software.

das Keks.5403:

Hey,
since the last update it sould be possible to use a Sigil of Air and a Sigil of Fire on the same weapon (set) without any limitations.

Yes. You can put both a Sigil of Air and Sigil of Fire on your weapon(s) and they will operate independently from each other.

ZilentNight.5089:

Haven’t the previous minis been like 3-pack for 500 gems?
Why is this new mini worth 400 gems when its only just 1 pet?

What is the reasoning behind the price?
Also does this mean that the Mini Arctodus Cub and Mini Polar Bear Cub will also be sold at same price?

It is a cat, and cat people go crazy for cat things.
That is why it is 400 gems… they know cat people will pay 400 gems for a cat pet.

Be sure to do your Mystic Clovers first, since the “fails” will give you T6 materials at a pretty decent rate and will thus reduce the number you will need to acquire.

Do some of the quick dungeon paths every day for the gold. Use the gold to buy materials.

Farming specific uncommon materials is pretty pointless overall because the drop rates are so low. You are typically better off farming gold and buying the materials needed.

Killface.1896:

Its time Anet make endless extractor in gem store for 2000-3000 gem problem solved

It would have to have a steep upfront cost, plus a per use cost in gems.

3000 gems for the item, plus 50 gems per use, for example.

Morsus.5106:

With the addition of Ascended Crafting the demand for silk scraps went up considerably, yet the demand for Leather didn’t go up at all. There’s almost 8 million Thick Leather Sections sitting on the TP going for minimum price and not a single buy order. The amount of Thick Leather Section sinks needs to go up. Maybe require more for ascended equipment, maybe new armor skins requiring a generous leather sink, just something to make Thick Leather Sections useful instead of just wasted inventory space.

Supply of the lower tier leather ran out, so no one can use the T5 leather.

Talset.1456:

Hi, we have two people and one computer. How do we play guild wars 2 together locally? Thanks!

Take turns.

Lankybrit.4598:

Well, very weird then. Can anything else explain the sudden lack of players other than them deciding “I’ve done Oak and not going to do any more” all at the same time?

Did Shadow Behemoth pop?

Olvendred.3027:

The unlimited use gathering tools are extremely inefficient, cost-wise, compared to simply buying normal ones. Are the unlimited use gathering tools not intended to be used for gathering? The fact that the upgrade extractor is expensive doesn’t change its purpose.

The unlimited use tools provide an intangible benefit in the form of unique animations and convenience. They are also mathematically unprofitable to purchase, but the value of those items is unrelated to the math. With the upgrade extractor, it is a purely mathematical decision as the transaction does not provide you with any intangibles.

Thank you for insulting me.

Not meant as an insult. Not everyone follows logic. I was simply pointing out that whether you agree with the explanation provided or not, it doesn’t change the reality of the situation.

That is not stated in the contract. You should construe it more thoroughly. Nor is player feedback excluded.

You agreed that you are going to use the software as is and that ArenaNet can change anything they want at any time for any reason. Player feedback is not excluded and I’m not saying you are right or wrong, merely answering your question as to why other people have told you that it was unintended.

Olvendred.3027:

It’s an upgrade extractor. It is intended to extract upgrades. Runes and sigils are upgrades. Ergo, the upgrade extractor is intended to extract runes and sigils. Logic. Very simple logic. They may not have been the main need the item was intended to fill, but they are nonetheless within its purpose.

As I said, there is still a workaround. It is more expensive than before. This is the complaint.

Even if you were absolutely correct about everything (you are not), a change cannot be justified purely on the basis that it was intentional.

You are able to obtain runes/sigils via the upgrade extractor, yes, but you’d have to be incredibly bad at math to even consider that an option because buying all new runes/sigils is cheaper. Some people have more money than brains, and those people consider the upgrade extractor an item you’d use for getting runes/sigils back.

I’m absolutely correct about everything, sorry you don’t agree but the logic speaks for itself and your inability to comprehend it doesn’t change the fact that I’ve presented it correctly for your consumption.

As for changes being justified, you signed a contract in which you agreed that all changes are justified at all times, so good luck arguing otherwise.

FenrirSlakt.3692:

Well, then we can agree that stacking isn’t the issue. The issue is that people don’t like to learn and will almost always opt for whatever alternative takes the least amount of effort.

What would you propose? It is difficult/impossible to help someone who doesn’t want to be helped.

Part of me wishes that they’d update the boss fights in order to effectively require you to abide by the mechanics.

The other part of me knows that PUGs would fill these forums with rage if they did that because, as you said, you can’t help people who don’t want help, just as you can’t teach people who don’t want to learn.

Olvendred.3027:

Incorrect logic. If the rune was not intended to be recovered, then the Extractor would not exist. A workaround still exists. The complaint is that it is 5 times more expensive than previously.

As for intended purpose of Transmutation Stones: they take 2 pieces of gear and merge them into 1. The player gets to choose from which of the original pieces of gear to get a) the appearance, b) the stats and c) the upgrade. Saying that they were not intended to be used for upgrades, when that was one third of the functionality, is a ridiculous assertion.

Unless you have a dev post saying that Transmutation Stones/Crystals were being used in an unintended way?

The upgrade extractor was put in to get your infusions back, hence the price point being so very high. It is unrelated to recovering runes/sigils as those are an added bonus of the item, not its purpose.

There is no flaw in the logic, it is intended that you are unable to salvage some types of gear, thus the rules/sigils on that gear were also intended to be unrecoverable. You had a workaround available to you, now you don’t.

I wouldn’t say that stacking has ruined player skill, rather stacking has removed the need to learn many fight mechanics and thus many players are ill-prepared to handle the fights the “right” way.

A player who doesn’t know what they are doing can easily beat many dungeon paths by stacking, which is fine, until they show up in your group that is doing a path where stacking isn’t going to work and that player hasn’t learned anything about dungeons.

Olvendred.3027:

And also wasn’t unintended.

I don’t know where you guys get your ideas.

Deductive Logic. If it is intended that the item cannot be salvaged, then it is also intended that the rune cannot be recovered.

Transmutation was a workaround to that. The fact that the workaround is no longer present further bolsters the argument that it was not intended for the rune to be recovered.

To find out if you should sell or salvage a rare item, do the following:

1. Multiply the current Ecto price by 1.125 (this is to offset the 87.5% chance to get an Ecto by salvaging using a Master kit, and thus a 12.5% chance to NOT get an Ecto).

2. Next, multiply the result from 1. above by 1.15 (this is to offset the 15% trading post fee that you will pay to sell your Ecto).

3. The result is the Break Even point for Ectoplasm and is the amount that you must sell a rare for in order to acquire the equivalent amount of ectoplasm via gold.

4. Add the cost of using the Salvage Kit (a Master would be 61c per use)

Here is an example, using the current Ecto price of 35s70c:
((3570*1.125)*1.15)+61=4680

You will need to charge MORE THAN 46s80c for a rare in order to sell it instead of salvage it.

You can further analyze this number by using the likelihood of salvaging materials and runes/sigils to offset the price above, but that’s outside the scope of a quick formula for an at a glace decision to sell or salvage.

Sola.7250:

This camping of open temples is something I’ve never seen before the megaservers, the question is why?

Before MegaSevers
- players complained they couldn’t find open temples.

After MegaSevers
- Some temples now seem to be open 24/7.

Are these Open temples being kept open with Bots?

Does Anet need to eliminate the Temple Defense Event?

Do temple events need to be put on a schedule like world boss events?

I do think that they need to put in an automatic fail system, where after 3 successful defenses, a non-event reset occurs in which the pact is forced back and the chain restarts.

Park some alts in Iron Marches and kill the Fire Shaman on a daily basis.

He drops 15-25 Dragonite Ore and is NOT on the World Boss Schedule.

Even with the megaserver, I’m still killing him with only 2-10 other players.

Isaac.6041:

Wanze.8410:

If you are not crafting ascended gear, well, destroy them.

Never a good suggestion to destroy something that may have additional uses in the future. Like many people destroyed Transmutation Stones because they didn’t transmute level 1-79 items. Now they are full of regret.

The suggestion’s value is based on the volume.

Transmutation stones were acquired at a very low rate, so keeping a stack or two of them wasn’t a big issue.

Due to the huge volume of ascended materials though, deleting them is going to save you a TON of bank space and that will more than compensate for any future uses added for those items.

AnAspieKitten.5732:

Meow fellows kitties,

So I took a pause from the game a while ago, as far as I remember Triple Trouble didn’t exist yet (or atleast I didn’t do it, not being much versed in WB). So I came back just one day before megaservers, and after a few attempts to kill it (and having concluded that we would need a whole day to down it at this rate), that just got me wondering, are people even interested in the event ? It looks like it recquire even more coordination than Tequatl, yet I can’t seem to find a commander that know what he’s doing, nor do I find people that actually listen to him and don’t go FFA mode – which looks harder now with megaservers.

So, long story short, do I have any ways to do it, since people doesn’t look that interested in it ? Like, is there any guilds specialized in it like I remember there were for Tequatl ?

I believe TTS (the Tequatl guild you remember) downs the 3 Wurms, or at least was downing them up until the megaserver patch.

I find it humorous that hard wood trees give you Soft Wood Logs and soft wood trees give you Hard Wood Logs.

I also find it humorous that saplings give you Elder Wood Logs.

Option #1: Give the amulet to a different character on your account.
Option #2: Click on “Support” at the top of this webpage and submit a ticket.

FinalPatriot.8034:

So once you hit 80 and have a decent set of gear, what really is the point to karma anymore? I’m not even trying to get an ascended item right now so this junk really has no use.

Legendary Weapons.

There are two world bosses in Iron Marches that are not on the global timer and each pay 15-25 Dragonite ore.

Forzani.2584:

ok, I see a small glimmer of hope here. All my stuff is exotic and has been worn. So that stuff I can’t do anything about…but, if I slowly start replacing jewelry with Ascended, that stuff can be shared among all my characters? ..If I am reading this right?

Unless Anet changes things, Ascended armor and weapons are not in my future

That is correct. You can buy 2 Berserker rings (different infusions) and use them on all of your characters. You’ll have to swap them out via the bank, but you’ll never need to buy another Berserker ring again.

Same with the weapons and armor. It’s a long process, but you can reduce the number of gear pieces you are storing by up to 66% via ascended gear.

Jink Bonestealer.9274:

What’s with the price increase anyway?

They are now account bound, so they cost more (because you “need” less of them than before).

Warrior is a solid option as the class is strong in most areas of the game.

Elementalist is fun to play.

Guardians are like Warriors, but a bit less fun in my opinion.

Necromancers require a decent amount of effort to play well, so play one if you want the challenge.

Thieves are too squishy for my taste, but they can dish out a beating if you let them.

Engineer is the only class I don’t have at 80, because I hate playing it. HATE it. One of these days I’m going to finish leveling him (sitting at 73) and park him at a Jumping Puzzle for all time. It’s all fun and games with the kits and turrets until you realize that it takes forever to kill anything. By the time you clear a map, my Warrior would have cleared 2-3 maps because he kills things and moves on while the Engi is still setting everything up. The only place I’ve had any fun with the Engi was defending in WvW.

Mesmer was pretty meh until I started doing dungeons with him.

Proposal: Unlimited use Upgrade Extractor

This device would cost 1500 gems, would be account bound, and would cost 10 gems per use.

Forzani.2584:

95%+ of my bank is all exotic armor/weapons/jewelry

Then the best option is to work at replacing your exotics with ascended since all of that gear is account bound and can be traded between your characters. This will free up the majority of your slots.

It isn’t a short term fix, to be sure, but it is definitely the best option for a build tester like yourself.

Best items I’ve ever bought. They are worth every penny in terms of the convenience they provide.

Astral Projections.7320:

Banzie.5248:

Each item recieved is a entirely serperate roll with BLC I believe, correct me I’d I’m wrong. So it is entirely possible to get three boosters, albeit extremely unlikely and even more so of the same booster. Too bad it wasn’t 1 of each perm contract eh;)

Well, if true then 3 swim boosters wins the bad prize award.

Worse than three Mystery Tonics?

munkiman.3068:

It goes back to what i said about the average seller. If anything the majority of players that list an item are doing the undercutting, the rest are selling out-right to buy orders. If by saying the process in which TP merchants operate is to undercut each other and as a bonus, lowering the sell prices for consumers, is something that actually happens, then that’s bogus. TP merchants can and do list at higher sell prices, they don’t undercut. Why should they? They know it’ll sell, eventually.

That depends entirely upon the individual market, so your claim of “bogus” also applies only to specific individual markets, not to the economy as a whole.

Elric Of Melnibone.4781:

If your gathering all your materials, then your not really ‘profiting’ right? Your just converting self harvested raw materials into T7 dowels to get the max reward from all that farming right?

If you where to pay others to farm with buy orders on the raw materials, then spend your daily craft allotment on refining them into dowels, then you are making some profit as well as selling your daily craft time.

Some people will argue that there is an opportunity cost involved in farming your own materials. Were this the real world, I would agree, but since every second spent in a video game is your recreational time, I’m inclined to leave opportunity costs out of the equation when discussing “profit”.

phys.7689:

gold is a reward, and the items you buy with gold is a reward.

Do you really think wanze with his 60k gold in value (many of which are items) can truely say he has gotten no rewards playing the TP?
I feel like you guys must be arguing semantics here, because you can’t possibly really beleive that getting gold and items is not a reward.

There is an important distinction that exists that must not be ignored, which is why the “semantics” are coming into play.

Wanze was not rewarded by the game. He was rewarded by other players.
That distinction is the reason why rewards obtained through playing the TP CANNOT be “balanced”. ArenaNet does not control them.