Guild Wars 2

A short story:

So I was walking by this tower looking for people to kill, and I see a guy standing in it. I think to myself “OMGZ I think I can shoot him and make him come down and fights me!!” So I start shooting him… 15 minutes later and after like 20~ raises from NPCs he’s naked and his buddies who tried to save him are dead. lol… Sorry guys.

EDIT: I would totally feel bad, but IOJ is the worst bunch of tower/keep huggers I have ever seen. Even when they outnumber you 4 to 1 they need their towers/keeps/siege/npcs to stay alive and win. It’s pretty sad.

Viking Jorun.5413:

Thief doesn’t need a rework, end of discussion.

qft

I agree with Viking Jorun.5413, if the trait setup and utilities are not to your liking/playstyle, you will never be good with whatever other people call the best setup. Your traits/utilities should be whatever you feel the most comfortable with, and give you the best performance, with 1 exception. If your traits are built specifically to do damage, and nothing else, there will be a right way and a wrong way.

For instance, playing a 30/25/0/0/15 D/D build will play exactly like a 25/30/0/0/15 D/D build, but the second build can easily be proven to have greater DPS through math. In this instance, the person doing 30/25/15 is in the wrong. But, if there was some utility in the deadly arts line that altered how you would play, then you couldnt make the argument that it is wrong anymore, because it would be built to get that trait, not to do the most damage possible.

I would like to point out though, that there are definitely correct and incorrect ways to go about picking stats for your gear. Like if you were wearing all soldiers gear, and decided you needed a bit more damage, so you changed your hat, body and legs to berserkers, that is by far the least efficient way to gain damage that is open to you, and absolutely not what you should be doing.

The way I see it is the best thing you could do, is try different trait setups to see what you like. Then determine how much defense you need and build that into your gear first in the best slots to pick up defense (like those hat body and legs slots I mentioned earlier) After that decide if you want utilities in your runes/sigils and which ones suite you, then build the rest of your gear for max DPS. And again, yes, there are correct and incorrect ways to do this.

Big Tower.5423:

wish.1027:

Big Tower.5423:

by the way wish you are alting a thief, im maining a thief so stop being ignorant

Ok then simple question to show us all how smart you are.
You have 2286 power, 1924 precision, 91% crit damage, youre using Hidden killer, your target has 2750 armor . Which food offers the highest DPS increase, Truffle Steak, Omnomberry Ghost or Curry Butternut Squash Soup for just Backstab, and which offers the highest DPS increase for the standard thief rotation (BS > autoattack chain > CnD)? Also, be sure to show your work.

1. 90 % critical damage is way to low, to do max damage you need 110 %

It’s a math problem with completely arbitrary numbers I made up, it doesnt need more or less crit damage. Quit trying to avoid the real question I ask. But ok fine, we’ll use 115% crit damage instead, here’s your new question:

You have 2286 power, 1924 precision, 115% crit damage, youre using Hidden killer, your target has 2750 armor . Which food offers the highest DPS increase, Truffle Steak, Omnomberry Ghost or Curry Butternut Squash Soup for just Backstab, and which offers the highest DPS increase for the standard thief rotation (BS > autoattack chain > CnD)? Also, be sure to show your work.

Big Tower.5423:

2. Foodbuff is allways spicy butternaut squash soup

Always squash for what? I ask you to tell me 2 answers, and prove yourself correct. You gave me 1 answer, didnt say which part of the problem it was for and didnt show any of your work.

Big Tower.5423:

3. superior sharpening stone.

What does this have to do with anything? I didnt ask you if Stones or Oil is better…
Also: Master Maintenance Oil is pretty much always better.

Big Tower.5423:

4. best damage rotation is cloak and dagger + backstab + autochain + repeat

What is this the answer to? I didnt ask you anything where this could even remotely come close to being the right answer.

Big Tower.5423:

However warrior kill groups faster, but we can atleast compete a bit with sword mainhand but not really compareable, warrior beats us there. but when mashing at a boss thief will do more, especially if they got a guardian that tanks it in the front and provide you might, as thief got to sacrifice a lot for these might stacks, if he can change these might skills to somthing else he would get better damage if someone else provided him might.

Where is your proof that Thief outdamages Warrior for single target DPS? I have yet to see a single math problem from you, or any mention of which builds/weapon sets we’re comparing. All you’ve done is post a video that shows nothing.

Raven.9603:

sazberryftw.3809:

This is my thief’s WvW set. C: https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/84371/Lithia_Blazess_-_profile.PNG

Anyone know what armor set this is? It looks like human T2 legs, I dont recognize the rest though.

COE body, Duelist gloves

Big Tower.5423:

by the way wish you are alting a thief, im maining a thief so stop being ignorant

Ok then simple question to show us all how smart you are.
You have 2286 power, 1924 precision, 91% crit damage, youre using Hidden killer, your target has 2750 armor . Which food offers the highest DPS increase, Truffle Steak, Omnomberry Ghost or Curry Butternut Squash Soup for just Backstab, and which offers the highest DPS increase for the standard thief rotation (BS > autoattack chain > CnD)? Also, be sure to show your work.

Big Tower.5423:

Hahahaha, belive me im an experinced thief, (i play thief for 6-12 hours a day)

And my Dad worked at General Motors for 45 years always working more than 40 hours a week, that doesnt mean he knows the exact way a car works from top to bottom.

Big Tower.5423:

or lets say risen running around in orr, if you take 1 on 1 thief will allways win

This is incorrect as eviscerate can 1 shot those mobs, and has a half second cast time. You’re telling me a thief can kill those mobs in under half a second?

The only thing that even remotely gives me trouble on guardian are S/D ini regain heavy thieves, and even against those, if theyre not better than me skill wise, they cannot win. Everything else is easy, or a stalemate because they cant do enough damage to kill me and I cant do enough damage to kill them.

All this video shows is that you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Wakizashi, Kunai and Kusarigama.

ProxyDamage.9826:

Excalibur.9748:

Well I wasn’t running D/P so I didn’t have a spammable shadowstep.

Doesn’t matter what you’re playing. You still have more mobility than anyone in the game.

What were you playing? MH sword? You have a teleport with an immobilize and no cooldown.

MH D? Then you were playing D/P. Were you playing D/D? Bad thief. No reason to play D/D when D/P is superior at roughly everything. Even so Heartseeker is a hell of a chaser.

What was in your offhand? Not a shortbow? Bad thief.

What were your utilities? Infiltrator’s signet? Shadowstep? Why not? If you were an evasion thief you should be using the former. If you weren’t you should be using the later. You should also be using 50% movement speed on stealth if you’re a stealth thief. No one else can get 50% MS.

Was your steal on cooldown? What about traits?

Etc.

I guess you get a pass if you blew all of your cooldowns on some other kill/fight, and he didn’t… At which point, I guess, if you have a lower mobility setup, he (or anyone else really) could get away…

I would like to respond to this and say that any thief worth a crap knows not to spam all their ini/cooldowns to chase people. Especially not a warrior, 1 CC from a warrior while you have nothing is all it takes to die. It’s annoying that they can run from you, but once you notice they have melandru/lemongrass and are running, its best to simply go the opposite direction and laugh at them.

BrunoBRS.5178:

Maugetarr.6823:

wish.1027:

Grimwolf.7163:

Lighter.5631:

you probably watched too much what was that called? something something online?sword art? oh kids. why don’t you just ask for all weapons available for thieves anyway, i mean there’s thieves with all weapons across all media.

You.. I don’t… Are you insulting people who watch anime, while also insinuating that you watch it yourself?

Also, two sword fighting is a real thing. It isn’t fantasy. I’m pretty sure the legendary Japanese swordsmen and author of The Book of Five Rings, Musashi, used a sword in each hand as just one example. Though the left one was a shortsword.

Japanese history lesson tiemz!!!
Miyamoto Musashi ?? ?? is the most famous Japanese Samurai to ever live, and he did in fact develop a 2 sword fighting style, Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu. With a larger sword in his right (main) hand and a smaller sword in his left. It was developed for fighting on horse back, as he viewed that as how real samurais would fight in a war, but none of his famous duels were ever fought using 2 swords together or on horse back.In fact, in his most famous duel, he used the ore from a boat instead of a real weapon.

Are you saying we should get a greatsword? !

samurais qualify as heavy armor, sadly

Samurai would be heavy, Ninja would be medium and Shrine Maiden/Monk would be light =3

Aw, the current OP class has a counter to one of its broken game mechanics. Hopefully it doesnt get fixed until some point after necro receives a heavy handed nerf.

I also heard thief is invincible when in stealth, and not only that but if you hit him while he’s in stealth, it makes your HP go down instead of his. Friggin OP class needs nerfed.

Which is to bad, cause we need a cool Scorpion build that works. We got the pull and the teleport punch (mug+steal) and almost the clothes! Just need the flaming skull head and the guardian torch #5 skill. lol.

Grimwolf.7163:

Lighter.5631:

you probably watched too much what was that called? something something online?sword art? oh kids. why don’t you just ask for all weapons available for thieves anyway, i mean there’s thieves with all weapons across all media.

You.. I don’t… Are you insulting people who watch anime, while also insinuating that you watch it yourself?

Also, two sword fighting is a real thing. It isn’t fantasy. I’m pretty sure the legendary Japanese swordsmen and author of The Book of Five Rings, Musashi, used a sword in each hand as just one example. Though the left one was a shortsword.

Japanese history lesson tiemz!!!
Miyamoto Musashi ?? ?? is the most famous Japanese Samurai to ever live, and he did in fact develop a 2 sword fighting style, Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu. With a larger sword in his right (main) hand and a smaller sword in his left. It was developed for fighting on horse back, as he viewed that as how real samurais would fight in a war, but none of his famous duels were ever fought using 2 swords together or on horse back. In fact, in his most famous duel, he used the ore from a boat instead of a real weapon.

Its 0-30-30-10-0 with celestial rings, soldiers necklace/earrings.
0% condition duration = nothing in deadly arts.
10% boon duration = 10 in acrobatics
0% steal recharge rate = 0 in trickery
which leaves 446 in healing powers and 146 in condition damage to tell us you have 30 shadow arts and the only celestial (or condition damage/healing power) gear you have on is the 2 rings, as 146 is what they give you.

That stuff is for sure, but the fact that you have 79 crit damage with 12 from rings and 30 from traits shows you have lots of badly placed stats. If we assume you get 6% from jewels, and 5% from ascended berserker back, that leaves (30 + 12 + 3 + 3 + 5 =53, 79 – 53= 26) 26% crit amage from weapons/armor/runes.

If we assume 12 is from divinity runes or orbs, that means 14 is left over. I assume you didnt want to transmute your incinerator, so its soldiers, not having matching weapons is silly, so theyre all soldiers, so that means you have like berserker/valkyrie body, shoulders, hands, legs, shoes. Which is a poor decision and not the proper place to stack crit damage. Or you did transmute your legendary weapon, and only have berserker/valkyrie gloves and shoes, which is also a bad idea. Or lastly, youre not using divinity runes/orbs, and you have all berserker/valkyrie weapons and armor, which is just horrible.

I would like to see what you’d run with all ascended gear though.

The one thats trying to stand back and do nothing but ranged attacks is the one should kill first. It will be the easiest to separate from the group, the one with the worst defense/hp pool, and the one you should have the easiest time downing and stomping.

Bandlero.6312:

Not that it matters, but I’d bet you’re that thief from SF

Ohsnap, someone remembers me. What did I do that you remember me? It was either solo 10 people or die miserably, cause I dont do anything else.

oooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I saw your sig

“[WvW] [LAL] That Sylvari Commander Necro
FC”

I killed you like 6 times, no wonder you remember me.

Arjen.9083:

^

The above is the sort of informative post I wish I saw much more often on MMO forums. Thank you.

Cause there arent 2 stickies with 50+ posts like it inside.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Post-Your-Build-Thread/first
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Guide-to-Thief-Guides/first

I think the OP just needs to learn to look around before making topics that have been covered/are stickied/etc. Its almost as bad as the QQ threads honestly.

loseridoit.2756:

Last condition applied is always the first condition to be removal first

This behavior follows the LIFO philosophy. Bleeds tend to be the first condition cleansed because it is applied so frequently

wish.1027:

animalmom.1062:

the most recently applied condition or conditions will be removed first.

This is wrong

Heres how I know:
I went to sPVP on my guardian with a friend and did the following. I set the trait “shouts convert 1 condition to a boon” thus making all my shouts remove 1 condition. I then had my thief friend do the following > shoot me once with a pistol (bleed) then CnD me (vulnerabilityx3) then swap to a short bow and drop a poison field on me (poison), then I moved out of the poison field and hit a shout. Bleed was removed, even though 2 other conditions with much longer durations/higher stacks were applied after it.

Im glad you guys all seemed to have taken my advice on arrow carts seriously, and are actually able to defend stuff now. Open field siege is kind of lame though.

To be fair, some of the consumables banned were a bit OP in WvW though. Like the skrit gears. Did you ever lose a 5v1 to an uplevel? If he had a stack of gears you did. The planks were funny though, and I liked skale venom, its just to bad the guy who posted the video is clicker, that kinda ruins the video.

Today I fought like 10 guys from a zerg of 60 (who ran by seeing it was buffed to go fight the wurm) with a buffed supervisor. Guess who won?

animalmom.1062:

the most recently applied condition or conditions will be removed first.

This is wrong

Heres how I know:
I went to sPVP on my guardian with a friend and did the following. I set the trait “shouts convert 1 condition to a boon” thus making all my shouts remove 1 condition. I then had my thief friend do the following > shoot me once with a pistol (bleed) then CnD me (vulnerabilityx3) then swap to a short bow and drop a poison field on me (poison), then I moved out of the poison field and hit a shout. Bleed was removed, even though 2 other conditions with much longer durations/higher stacks were applied after it.

Master of Timespace.2548:

I do this all the time. :P When you see party invite coming its like “My job here is done.”.

The best is when you invite them to a party, and then ask why they invited you when they join.

I only break combat when fighting against 3+ other players. When fighting more than 1v1 theres no shame in it.

If you cant kill someone 1v1 and you constantly run from them then go back to try again, youre a sad person. For 1v1 you should commit to the fight or commit to running away. Bad players who try and stalk opponents they cant actually kill waiting for them to engage 5 NPCs or other players are pretty lame IMO.

The other thing I hate are the super bad GC thieves in WvW who hide inside zergs and only fight when they have a superior advantage in terms of numbers, and run away at the first sign of their zerg losing.

Use D/D with S/D offhand just for ele, grd, rng, mes, and engi’s with those boon bunker builds. Just take them down to 50%~ with S/D, remove their protect/regen, then swap to daggers and drop them. If you engage them the whole time leading up to that point with just S/D on, you can generally SURPRISEBUTSECKS them with the D/D damage output from the cnd/mug/bs burst rotation and drop them.

Avalanche.5321:

If the game is entirely playable without using a piece of it, which it is.

So your server doesnt use rams or golems or catas or trebs, ever? You just PvDoor with your characters to take down the doors to keeps and towers to get in and cap them? It’s no wonder your server is bottom tier. Siege is good and useful, and added for players to use. I bet you cry when a thief uses stealth or an ele water form and heals itself or an engineer drops a turret on you or anything else as well.

Shanks R Us.2489:

We were talking & laughing about it though.

When I stopped killing you guys, it was because he had typed stuff to me, and we were having a conversation. If I wasnt in the middle of typing when you guys decided to try and rush me and I hit the stealth trap moving away from you I probably wouldnt have died, but alas! You always die when you sit inside a tower, the fun is seeing how many you can take with you. Good effort on your guys part though, I only killed 3 of you.

sephiroth.4217:

Zumi.6384:

Pocachubbz.1928:

I really hope you’re from GoM, because you win the GIF of the day award in my book.

LOL he is sadly… His fat kitten made a 2nd thief for human under boobs

Underboob 4tw.

Ghostwolf.9863:

Why not make block/aegis only work when players strike from in front?
In my mind it only seems logical that you can’t block someone who hits you in the back.
This would lead to a reward for a good blocker, as you won’t be able to mindlessly
smakitteno your block and stand around like a braindead baboon.

Nice reply.

Audiogasm.7643:

When a thief uses his stealth attack and for some reason it misses because of a blind or is block/dodged by the foe, the thief stays in stealth state.
In my mind, it seems logical that if your attack is dodged or blocked you should be revealed

No.

Audiogasm.7643:

I love my little thief

Sure you do.

I spent 10 minutes making this!

x FERGUSON.3046:

sigh, no one on gom wants to gvg? I guess we will never see that “skill” you claim to have

I’ll GvG you, but Im the only person in my guild on GOM, so I guess its more like dueling… lol.

x FERGUSON.3046:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH6TJWXuZ1Y

same to Zombieland
might i add that they quit after 2 rounds czu they couldnt win

I see you click skills with your mouse to use them. Thats pro.

x FERGUSON.3046:

maybe FC should stoop down to GoM’s level adn invest in some AC’s

Ok, seriously guys.
Seriously.

Seriously.

I mean this.

You should build 3-4 ACs per gate, minimum, on every tower and keep you own, and then refresh them so they dont despawn. Then you should put ACs in common wall knockdown spots too.

This is seriously what you should be doing. Then the 3-4 people inside the tower/keep can actually hold it, while you get more people there to defend it. There are also places in towers/keeps where you should pre-build a treb before any attack ever occurs. This is the correct way to play. In every tier above like 5, this is how its done, and one of the main reasons theyre more competitive even though the population differences are not as large as you would expect. Heck on Saturday I saw a full map Q zerg on GOM crash into full map Q zergs of AR and FC on EB. Then I moved to a BL map and there were 40+ man zergs on the map I was on. I was surprised honestly, I never played during NA prime on GOM before.

There was like 15 directly behind me and 30+ in front. I totally got away too.

Skyguy.3715:

Anyone want to 1v1? Message me I’m a necromancer and if you are a thief dont do permastealth plz. We can do multiple 1v1’s if will be fun I am on anvil rock btw

Someone playing the most OP class in the game is crying about stealth…

Monsoon.2589:

I have a Killer Instinct 2 Arcade in my living room so last night after SoR and JQ tried for two hours to take BG’s EB keep the only thing I could think of was:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V1lYUDXYgg

I have an MK1 cabinet with Mk1, 2 and UMK 3 inside (and run buttons) =3

Darek.1836:

Scleameth.6809:

GoM you are spineless. You are spoiling the game for so many with your “attack FC only” attitude. Zero action on AR side of EB and giving them a nice open window to attack FC too. How nice you spineless jerks.

I guess in just like every small scale battle, GoM will only attack when its a 2+v1 hahaha

Hey now… I’ve been playing with the outmanned buff all afternoon solo for GOM and always fighting 2+ people at once. And all Ive seen from the other 2 servers is groups trying to zerg me down. Especially TDME, theyre the only ones to kill me today, but they had 3-4 people all 3 times and I had already killed 30+, so I dont feel bad, lol.

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

New stealthless thief video up. Guest appearances by Colt and the FGJ crew.
http://youtu.be/mAyBti7Rc3A

Yay~ for John Wayne style play and punk rock.

Hexxed.8023:

Eviator.9746:

You missed the point. The symptoms of a poor experience on reset night are due to your high WvW population, doy! You do not encounter those issues in the other matchups.

And don’t give me the “very few” line for Oceanic/Asian/Euro. When DB was in your matchup with BG, you both held DB to around 100 PPT during your so-called “weak” time slots, and DB is #5.

Well, because it was DB. Which is mainly the rejects that bailed off of JQ.

I dunno if you guys on DB even noticed, but JQ basically ignored BG that entire week, and only fought DB, because of the bad blood when some people left JQ. All your guilds basically giving up after the first day didnt help you any either.

styx.7294:

No, we clearly need to add the people from the most populated server not in the match as well. Listen to these guys!

Hey, its guy from my mules server matchup thread.
The truth is that JQ could absorb most of one of the “T2” servers WvW population, and not have more players in WvW than BG or SOR. Why do you think my mule account is in low tiers? It’s because fighting 10 vs 800 isnt fun. So if Im playing off hours, its where I dont have to fight 50 people by myself, because pretty much everyone on bg/sor are zerglings and cant do anything without superior numbers, and fighting those blobs without even coming close to half their numbers isnt fun.

Wait… Isn’t that why Iron left Desolation? Grats on becoming the thing you hate, you should rename your guild Vizirona. =3

Rinzler.8072:

No clue where AD/bsty/qq/wtfblah blah are now.

Devonas Rest last I saw them. But thinking about it, it has been a good 3-4 weeks since Ive seen them/been matched with DR.

I like how you linked the wiki for the word and somehow spelled it wrong, lol.
Onigiri

frans.8092:

wish.1027:

If you have 2500~ power, adding 180 more will increase your damage by…

In attack you mean, not just power, and 2500 attack is not very much.

No, we’re talking about your power. Attack is kind of a stupid stat and I have no idea why its even listed, it has no baring on anything as far as I know.
Damage is calculated by
Damage done = (weapon damage) * Power * (skill-specific coefficient) / (target’s Armor)
Since power is multiplied in the equation, you can simply do newpower/oldpower to see how much of an increase in power it is, and thats also how much more damage you will do with each attack by adding it.

I think pistol should have a ‘from passive’ attack like an old west quick draw. And they should add an awesome cowboy outfit. I’d totally rock a p/p set then.

TheLaughingMan.4320:

Thiefs being able to stealth and then perform a finisher or res an ally is far too op. A thief in stealth interacting with a downed player, whether a teammate or an enemy, should lose stealth just like using an attack.

If a nearby player doesn’t happen to have a cc skill not on cd, a thief can finish off someone without anyone being able to target the thief. Same with healing. I know the 2 people doing “balancing” love their thiefs, but this should be reworked.

Are you advocating for the removal of mist form rez/stomps by elementalist, tiny rez/stomps for engineer, stability rez/stomps for guardian, warrior, elementalist, engineer, ranger, etc too? Or are you just mad a thief stomped you while you could still CC him and stop him, unlike every other class who have ways to ensure stomps get through?

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

I do think that after said finish they should get a revealed. It is an attack from stealth and as such should follow the same rules as other attacks from stealth.

Stealth wears as the stomp finishes, even with +1 second to stealth from the toughness trait line. Unless they drop a shadow refugee on you. So most of the time, even if it was added, it wouldnt do anything.

Leo Paul.1659:

Doesn’t combo field buffs have an aoe limit of 5? I don’t see a lot of formation tactics other than “ball up tightly”.. Is it really the optimum formation in wvw?

Yes, and yes.

Leo Paul.1659:

The buff makes sense.. It’s just that sometimes I’ve had some of them blame his zerg for not “stacking properly” when losing a skirmish when I feel like it would’ve made us an even easier target.

It only makes you an easier target if youre attacking a keep or tower and getting hit by a bunch of ACs, as those have a 50 player limit, not 5 like player AOEs. Stacking tightly and not wearing a bunch of berserker gear are pretty key to the open field zerg vs zerg fights.

Ezeriel.9574:

Contrary to the non-sense they post on the guardian forums about how easy it is to beat thieves, I have found guardians to be easy pickings for my thief, and when i play my guard I usually just rage quit.

Maybe you should try a new build? I generally pick apart guardians on my thief as well, but Ive never had much problems with thieves on my guardian, even Yishis ran from me. /pro

Jine.6130:

Perma stealth and insane damage. Both were s/p.

I think your main problem is you have no idea how thief works, and you need to learn how it works if you want to fight them. I came to this conclusion by you saying that sword/pistol thieves were permastealthed. S/P Thief doesnt have perma stealth, it doesnt even come reasonably close. L2P applies here.

Wait, leaving the game!? That makes me sad =[

If you have 2500~ power, adding 180 more will increase your damage by
(2500+180)/2500=1.072
7.2%
Thats a pretty decent increase for a slot skill considering how bad thief skills are for PVE. Just dont ever activate it. If you have more power it’ll be worth less, less power it’ll be better. To find out how well it will work for you, change both 2500s in that math problem to whatever your power is, then put it in google.

Human cultural T3? One of the dungeons has a gold version of it too. The one next to the AC guy.

baylock.1703:

PS these ppl in other proffession forums who ask nerfs are mostly thieves so think abouth it you ask them to be nerfed then they are weaker then you than they ask nerfs on you and so on and so on just stop.

Wait, wait. A bunch of thieves are on other forums crying for nerfs on them like theyve done here since launch? lol…

Master of Timespace.2548:

wish.1027:

Vashti.8179:

Now please come back at me with all your “QQ’s” and “L2P’s” since that seems to be the only argument you can come up with.

I dont need a better argument, Im using the one the DEV used in response to all the QQs about thief in PVP.

Next you are going to refer to The Bible, right?

And Jedsus said, “Let the heathens and heretics be smitethed down with the mighty backstab of the heavens!” and so it was, until the day of judgement.
Proverbs of the Jedsus 8:14.