Guild Wars 2

Coloxeus.3480:

stinkypants.8419:

Anyone use this for Wv3? Any changes? Thinking about giving it a shot…

i did this on zerg few times cuz i don’t WvW alot . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4ur1vFlMOE

Ive been using this in WvW recently too, mainly just for lulz, but I use shadowstep and shadow refugee so I can get away from random zergs that find me, and roll for ini in the last skill slot. So signet recharge time trait is out, and precision to vit trait is in. I also have issues with damage output, and people trying to run away from me, so I tried using caltraps on dodge for a bit, and that didnt work out as well as I had hoped, so I went back to fury/might/swiftness on stealth. I use PVT weapons and armor, berserker trinkets, lyssa runes, energy/force sigils.

Random terribad performance on my part:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQpKE9xRezw

So you saw your blocks going off, knew you couldnt take a backstab, and didnt mist form?

The part of the thief that takes luck/skill/chances is the part where you backstab someone and risk their 10 friends focusing you, and you dieing in 3 seconds.

And ya… This

I’m pretty sure the OP lost any right to complain about a lack of counter-play when he posted a log showing that his response to a thief jumping on him was to swap to Fire Attunement.

Fortus.6175:

lso, I remind you that only acces had PVT and only some of them, the rest had valkiry since PVT adds nothing to my damage output and I do need damage coming from somewhere.

Valkyrie doesnt help you either if your crit chance is garbage, which it is if youre running Soldiers and Valk only.

I like my medium COE and Human medium T3 Cultural armors…

Amins.3710:

Here is the Proof of the Failed attempts of any kind of ~honorable~ endeavours

So this guy I sub to on youtube posted videos there with a link here, and its pretty lulz. I love the drama, keep it up. KMBH is not good.

Galsia.4102:

Bambu.4270:

1) Remove Initiative from normal skills and make skills work like in other professions.
2) Remove Stealth from all skills and make it Initiative-only boon.
3) Add ability to attack while in Stealth.
X) Stealth will go off when your Initiative “charges” are off, like a counter, ya’know?

Your numbering…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVGbDEAnDyo

Regarding #3, Backstab is an auto-attack, and auto-attacks have no CDs. How does 7-10k damage repeated instantaneously sound to you?

He’s actually proposing the biggest buff ever to thief… I wonder if he realized that.

Dont click on your skills with the mouse to use them?

wolfpaq.7354:

… the math is embedded in the spreadsheet.

You do know how spreadsheets work I hope? Figure it out for yourself and stop being such a baby.

You type in stuff and it gives you answers, beyond that I dont know how spreadsheets work. Relying on someone elses spreadsheet and not showing your work is pretty lame, and leads to errors in information.

I agree that it should remove torment.

Gear is hard to get in this game?
Compared to my last MMO, where I would put more effort into a single piece than an entire set here… It seems pretty easy to me.

People who use smoke bomb and not shadowstep make baby Jesus cry. Seriously, you need to start using shadowstep and get use to it.

randomfightfan.4091:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Build-The-REAL-maximum-DPS-thief/first#post1901058

Thief dps

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/Build-The-REAL-maximum-DPS-warrior/first#post1886080

Warrior dps

More reliance on a spreadsheet instead of typing out numbers and showing their work. Also, Ruby orbs? …..This isnt comparing top DPS builds. I dont even see eviscerate in the guys rotation for Warrior.

Can you tell me where this spreadsheet comes from, and where the information it contains comes from?

randomfightfan.4091:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-damage-compared-to-warrior/page/2#post2334499

But for whatever reason the posts weren’t showing for me

That link doesnt show me anything either.

Archon.6481:

wish.1027:

Archon.6481:

wish.1027:

I did pick my side.
I’m with Math

Obiosuly not since your post history clearly indictes a bias for warriors.

Im sure it does, since I think Warrior will probably win. The difference here is that I dont go out and throw my opinion around like its fact when I dont really know.

But you did just that in your first post…

You know what? I’m done. You just keep using semantics to make yourself appear to sound in the right and I’m tired of listening to it.

My first post? You mean this one:

wish.1027:

Anubarak.3012:

It is well known that thieves outdps warriors…

Thanks for the laugh so early in the day.

Where I laugh at this guy stating so plainly that everyone knows Thief wins, when clearly its a huge controversy and no one knows? Ya, that clearly shows me stating for a fact Warrior wins…

EDIT:
Let me help you out here.
This is what it looks like when I state things as facts:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Celestial-Armor/first#post2424729
Notice all the math I do to prove how inferior Celestial armor is to mixing and matching other things? If you dont see me doing that, then Im not making claims, just laughing at other peoples incompetence, inability to do math, and lack of understanding why it’s important.

Archon.6481:

wish.1027:

I did pick my side.
I’m with Math

Obiosuly not since your post history clearly indictes a bias for warriors.

Im sure it does, since I think Warrior will probably win. The difference here is that I dont go out and throw my opinion around like its fact when I dont really know.

randomfightfan.4091:

Here, the math was done in this thread

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Cough-P1-Thieves/page/4#post2063584

It actually wasnt done in that thread, I looked. Can you link another?

It did have a good post about why math is best, player error while playing.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Cough-P1-Thieves/page/4#post1933414
Look at their excuses for not having better times.
#3, Slave Driver
Strife’s video, 1:23-1:32 = 9 seconds [Strife’s excuse: Didn’t hit 25 might, lost a second or two]
Our’s, 1:33-1:41=8 seconds [Our excuse: boss got pulled causing us to lose a second or two]

The only math I saw was… bad, not very accurate, and also about Ele.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Cough-P1-Thieves/page/4#post2055108
This post quotes it and rips it apart.

Archon.6481:

Sigh. I don’t feel like arguing with people like you.

Your vey first post indicates that you think warriors out dps thieves since you laughed when someone claimed the opposite. Now pick your side and stick to your guns.

I did pick my side.
I’m with Math

When Im running around by myself only about 1 in 15 or so people I find is a thief… And even then I only die to about 1 in 20 of them, generally because of a mistake on my part. Thief isnt really that super awesome kill you dead class. It’s not like its a Necromancer or something.

Jabberwock.9014:

Supposedly racial elites aren’t supposed to outshine class elites. So why is it that Norns get snow leopard form with a ridiculous 1600 range dash, coupled with a 5 second stealth (on 10s cooldown)? This gives way too much mobility/escapability to classes that don’t have innate mobility, but only if you are a norn. Sure it’s terrible for battling, but that’s not what you’ll be using it for.

Really though, all racial elites should be completely disabled in wvw.

I rerolled my guardian just for snowleopard for solo roaming. It was the best decision I ever made pertaining to guardian, and you’re bad for saying it needs nerfed.

Jado Cast.1805:

Those Pesky Perma Stealth Thieves can be annoying. The number one counter is anticipation. Think Like a Thief™

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Kpcayzfduw

Or if you’re bad, just bring 5 people to kill 1 thief.

Archon.6481:

wish.1027:

I have never done the math, I have never seen the math done, I dont know which is better.

Lets look at this the other way. Where is the math that proves warriors out dps thieves?

Theres no math anywhere that I am aware of. I said this, you quoted me, then you ask where it is? You should learn some basic reading comprehension.

Archon.6481:

Also, can you prove that the spreadsheet is wrong?

Does it show its work so you can check what it is doing?
Serious question.

But hey, tell us the gear/rune/sigil/trait/buff/food/skill setups youre comparing, what your rotations are, and use the spreadsheet to tell us how much damage they would each do in a 20 second time frame (because thats 2 weapon swaps, so you get to use everything.) That way we can all know what does the most damage.

Have you tried Dagger/Dagger 4 or Dagger/Pistol 3?
Not sure what youre using, but those are your other options.

ARM.3912:

Etna.1634:

ARM.3912:

Etna.1634:

ARM.3912:

Hey guys can you give me a score update? Who is in last place now?

Evolution: GoM last, IoJ second and DR first. Happy to oblige.

Are you sure because i heard DR was in last place. Confirm/deny that DR is in last place?

Asking the same question with other wording does not result in a different answer.

And yet it literally just did…

So who’s in last place?

So a funny thing just happened…
I left after this SS because there was another 20 of them in the camp about to come swarm me.

Anubarak.3012:

Cause I’m tired and don’t want to discuss with you ~.~ you won’t believe me anyway
You are just another ignorant person who won’t change his mind no matter what.
If you had been willing to learn something you would have opened the spreadsheet and looked at it more than 5 seconds. You can find the dps of any attack there with cast times and delays.

I just want to show thieves that we are worth in dungeons and CoF because warriors dmg isn’t that godly but since you only play WvW you can ignore this completely… Sit back and think further that warriors deal more dmg than thieves.
I’m out of this topic

I wouldnt want to deal with me either. You know I’ll come at you and demand the math, and since you can’t provide it, you should stop making such baseless claims.

And as far as it goes, I dont know which actually has higher DPS if youre only counting fighting single targets, I never did the math, and I also dont know the absolute optimal builds for both classes to increase DPS as high as possible. I just find it hilarious when people make baseless claims like they know whats up, when they honestly have no clue, its fun calling them out on their BS.

Anubarak.3012:

You are just another ignorant person who won’t change his mind no matter what.

Specifically to this, I have no opinion on the matter. I have never done the math, I have never seen the math done, I dont know which is better. It’s very easy to change my mind with anything, all you have to do is prove youre right. In this case, provide me with tons of numbers and discussion about traits and gear, then I’ll take you seriously and listen to you. All you’re doing is poorly piggybacking off someone else’s spreadsheet that doesnt prove anything.

icrunchcheetos.4982:

i dont wanna spend money for transmutation stone though /:

Then you cant have a hood.

This is a good place to start.

darthsmall.8246:

wish.1027:

Use Sword/Pistol to level. Just use #5 and auto attack.

So shortbow isn’t viable for leveling? What is the shortbow good for?

Uh… standing the back of a zerg in WvW being a wuss, and spammable blast finisher. I wouldnt say its very good for leveling.

Anubarak.3012:

wish.1027:

Anubarak.3012:

wish.1027:

Anubarak.3012:

It is well known that thieves outdps warriors…

Thanks for the laugh so early in the day.

Ok you are right… there are still people who are not able to max their dmg. I will correct my statement “Good players know that thieves and elementalists outdps warriors in organized groups”

Ok, maybe I’m wrong, so where is math to prove your statement? I mean, you must of done the math and be able to post it to show everyone that you’re correct, or you would of never made such bold statements twice in the same thread right?

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3A3Op-Hj3dOUkJRU0xvcng5ZWc/edit
download, fill in your traits, look at your dps

A spread sheet, that could be wrong, doesnt show its work, doesnt tell us rotations, doesnt show us which builds youre comparing, doesnt do… anything required to show which actually has higher DPS…

Why did you link this? It doesn’t ‘prove’ anything…

Soldiers hat legs body weapons, berserker everything else, go!

Anubarak.3012:

wish.1027:

Anubarak.3012:

It is well known that thieves outdps warriors…

Thanks for the laugh so early in the day.

Ok you are right… there are still people who are not able to max their dmg. I will correct my statement “Good players know that thieves and elementalists outdps warriors in organized groups”

Ok, maybe I’m wrong, so where is math to prove your statement? I mean, you must of done the math and be able to post it to show everyone that you’re correct, or you would of never made such bold statements twice in the same thread right?

Use Sword/Pistol to level. Just use #5 and auto attack.

Doggie.3184:

We first need Maces with a crowbar skin so we can smash locks, Longbows since assassins used them, Shields with a powerful counter like Nine Tailed Strike, Torches so we can rob stores and commit arson and Hobo Thief walking stick staff to beat people with before looking into GS. Mine as well throw in bandit axes too to give that weapon more life.

Dont forget a brick, those are good for smashing windows.

purgatoryz.6038:

conditions are the new meta

Condition counter is the new meta. Anyone stuck trying to use conditions is stuck in last month when the necro buff hit.

Anubarak.3012:

It is well known that thieves outdps warriors…

Thanks for the laugh so early in the day.

Chopps.5047:

Want a cookie?

Iced animal cookie from the pink bag please.
http://www.keebler.com/product-keebler-animals-iced-cookies-1044.aspx

Marduh.4603:

( 35/(1+0.3) )*0.8

Lets be friends, and math some stuff later.

So when WvW was up, I killed a bunch of rangers with longbows, same old same old, I didnt even notice the stealth.

Did you guys know Im #1 dance commander NA during WvW down time?

Xenon.4537:

~Viking and Travlane sittin in a tree~
~S-T-A-B-I-N-G~

:3

We should make a thief forum poster campaign where we all put either “Thief Wars: Im with Viking” or “Thief Wars: Im with Tavlane” in our sigs. It would be cooler if we could make funny pictures to go with them, but saddly, no images for sigs here.

And then those two could add to their sigs how theyre the respective leaders, and make a thread where they can fight, so Trav can stop trying to tell everyone P/D is amazing and everything else is crap and Viking wont have to keep correcting him.

I barely see any P/D Thieves (in WvW). Mainly because Necro is overbuffed and people seem to run tons of condition cleansing and melandru/lemongrass, etc just to have a chance against them. Maybe its just the servers we’re competing against though.

Travlane.5948:

wish.1027:

S/D is amazing, dont listen to the bads who need to L2P. It lets you win against boon bunker builds without a lot of hassle or spending 10 minutes fighting them waiting for them to make a mistake. I dont even run a build set up to use S/D, I use a (10/30/30/0/0) D/D build, it’s my offhand and still works perfectly fine, you just need to know what youre doing.

s/d is quite amazing. but this guy is talking wvw tho. diff ball game.

Hey, Im talking WvW too, hence the talk about boon bunker builds and 10 minute fights waiting for them to mess up and how S/D just lets just you kill them. It’s worth the offhand slot just for that. But hey, dont worry, soon enough 90% of the people on the servers you fight will figure out that running lemongrass with melandru runes is amazing and you’ll need to adapt and get away from condition damage.

Kylar.5127:

New video posted! Check it out

-Thief 1vX roaming WvW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvdwVkAetes

Thats a lot better, but please dont cut off the bottom of the video! I like to see skills and stuff.

Am I the only one here who knows that this wont really help, and that good rangers still wont be using ranged weapons?

Maybe it’s just me, but I imagine it looking more like….
(crap quality sketch, but it gets the point across)

Ichishi.9613:

full zerk p/p unload wins the day. Because people, having battled mostly with other thief builds, fail to understand how to avoid it’s rather weak and simple damage.

This is true of anything different. The first time you see something random you havent seen before it will be very hard to play against, unless it dies in 10 seconds.

Ghostwolf.9863:

Here’s however a vid from Yishis that shows off how to play good
with D/D these days.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKzHTFfi3mk

I suggest trying to play more like this ^
While gearing like this:

wish.1027:

Balanced Builds mainly built for WvW:
Ascended:
Wish’s Mug, 10/30/30/0/0
with accurate corrected precision

Wish’s Fall, 0/30/30/10/0
with accurate corrected precision

It will give you a ridiculous ability to survive and still maintains a lot of damage.
Information and math behind gear choices can be found here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Post-Your-Build-Thread/page/3#post2426220

I think its better to not have giant shiny flashing IM RIGHT HERE, PLEASE KILL ME graphics on Thief.

Clockwork Bard.3105:

I mean, what else is a S/D thief going to spam? Oh noes, look out for C&D > Tactical Strike!

If you get some stun duration you can almost completely stun lock someone with this, and it’s hilarious. You earn bonus points if you use bad gear and take a long time to stun lock them to death. Even more bonus points if you can incite someone to rage about being stun locked for 2 minutes, then dieing on the forums.

S/D is amazing, dont listen to the bads who need to L2P. It lets you win against boon bunker builds without a lot of hassle or spending 10 minutes fighting them waiting for them to make a mistake. I dont even run a build set up to use S/D, I use a (10/30/30/0/0) D/D build, it’s my offhand and still works perfectly fine, you just need to know what youre doing.

Lightsbane.9012:

sephiroth.4217:

After seeing Pacific Rim I’m caught up in Jaeger fever! And now he stands as a symbol of GoM!
:)

i guess people really did want another power rangers movie.
pacific rim is just megazords, crappy dubstep and godzilla.

I think of it as Hollywoods version of a giant robot anime, because thats what it is.

ARM is definitely my favorite person on GOM, but I think youre all confused… I’ve only ever seen him play a thief, not elementalist.

Also, it seems like every time I ever see him he’s fighting 4+ people, and winning. Last time I found him on a map, we duo’d like 12 DRs in 5~ minutes before being run over by about 15 people and dieing.

With 11k HP and barely any toughness youve essentially resigned yourself to sitting in the back of a zerg and doing nothing, I think thats terrible.

Pariah.8506:

I think I’ll go for a Soldier’s chestpiece to not lose on power as wish suggested and still

Thats totally not what I said.

Soldiers hat+pants, then body > weapons if you need more defensive stats. Each point of crit damage costs more stats in those pieces than others, so you switch those ones first.
hat/legs > body > weapons.