Guild Wars 2

I’ve been using this sword pistol build in PvP lately, It is a hybrid build with heavy interrupt and poison damage. It’s been working really well for me so far!
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Can finally carry team with thief in mid fights, Either I’m getting paired with newbs every game or I’m on a very good win streak.

I’ve been ripping PvP a new one with my short bow since the patch, Pair that with the D/D Dodge spam thief and all of a sudden everyone starts PM’ing you with hate :,D
Wayyy too powerful in mid, where you can just put hella pressure on point.

2 handed warhorn.

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My go to for PvP, used to hold points. Good for waisting enemy’s team time while you sit on home.
Can be used in WvW to take on up to 4-5 players at once just add some heavy condi stats to mix in with the healing, I go half Shaman’s/Viper’s

I used this build and it got me through gold, soooo f-Ing funny! Can hold its own on most 1v1’s except for the few tanky build setups such as ele and tank Engi(can’t ever kill those slippery sob’s)
Pretty okay in group fights as long as you throw down caltrops (no one ever thinks to stand off point to escape caltrops and end up with 30+ bleeds) lol
Very rough to play against but, is it ever funny to watch people whine when they loose a game because they couldn’t take on the thief.
Though you won’t find many out there, I’ve only ever seen 1 player with this build this season

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAoYVn8lCFOh9OBOPB0PhFqiaO77+w37CShtrrnCgDA-TRSAQBR7IAEQ9BS7QAsgTAgnU/BAPAgbqEsH7PESlfxDEAGRCw//fTSSkCYRlVA-e

I use this build, you can apply 50 stacks of bleeds on bosses and have incredible survivability, the damage comes from your dodges, and with this build you should have a perma dodge that does not run out and you should have perma high heal regeneration during fights. Not the best for fights in tight areas where you could fall off something, but works in any other situation.

If thief get’s a nerf we are F’ed if we get a buff, everyone else is F’ed. Hopefully we get a happy medium

Straegen.2938:

Kirochique.9186:

Lol so true. I run a very OP thief build. I have perma dodge with a 3 second cooldown on dodges every 20 seconds then I just keep dodging for another 20 seconds. I pump out 1k heals every time I evade an attack and can inflict 50 stacks of bleed damage in that 20s if not clensed lots of access to stun breaks. No hard couner short of running into a zerg, even then I can easily down at least 4-5 people before I get focused down.
Can be stailmated if you have lots of condi clense, but can’t be beaten.

If you are talking about a D/D build there most certainly are several very hard counters since Death Blossom is both vulnerable to interrupt, channeling skills and ground effects. In duels that build performs rather poorly. Maybe you found some secret sauce but I haven’t run into in either sPvP or WvW if you have.

Yeah I don’t see it much around either, I’ve only ever encountered 1 thief with a similar build. It’s fairly secret sauce. But I feel lm unmatched most of the time in PvP and always in WvW

Lol Thief IS OP
When I go up to a 1v1 I have 99% confidence that I will win. And about 50% with 1v2’s.
First of all, condition damage does not work on this build, every time a thief evades an attack they shed a condition, and they are forever evading because they have full endurance regain if you die, or if you stun them, plus on every steal, one of the utility skills and on their heal.
They also have skill 3 on D/D with a full initiative regain utility skill.
Hit a shot or two off on them? Too bad they get 200 health every time they use 1 initiative. They use 4 initiative on skill 3 (800 health on activation).
Think that you can stun them to death? They have 4 stun breaks good luck.
Well it’s a good thing that you can’t pair that much survivability with damage right? Wrong.
When specked with condition damage, you will have at least 10, 20 second 6700 bleed stacks on you at all times, the only way to survive that much condition damage is if you have lots of condi clear LOTS
If you have none, good luck with those 50 stacks of bleeding bud.
Too bad thief is in a bad place right now so this will never get nerf’d

Thank you for sharing, I just crafted HOPE and desperately need a PP Build to play

Hey all, just after HOT came out I came up with a D/D perm evade condi thief build.
It was the best build ever.
Every game type became 100x easier, Jumping into mobs or champs solo in PvE became a pretty simple thing to do because my Endurance was recharged every time something died.
PvP and WvW for a good few month there the build had no hard counter, I couldn’t find a single person who could best me solo and most times even duo, hell I took on havoc teams alone and won due to the Stamina Sigil activating when I finished an enemy.
Eventually other classes evened out with time, but it is still a very tough build to beat.

I’m now faced with a problem. I can’t play any other class as well. Or any other thief build. I want to swap into Power thief now but am having a lot of trouble adjusting to the squishiness in PvE and it has made the game a lot more slow and drawn out then it was when I had my Evade thief.

I need a good solid not as squish power build that can still take down foes fast. Any suggestions? (Runes, Stats, Weapons, and Traits) anything to help me ease back into a Power thief?

I love when people see a D/D condi thief wipe their team and they go to the forums to complain

I play a perma evade condi thief, and I really enjoy the play style. It is a very very powerful build if you don‘t get spammy with it. I have to time everything perfectly and know when to flee and when to port to confuse enemies that are focusing me. There is a 2-3 second vulnerability time where I have no defences and I have to have that times at the perfect time.
If you use the build properly you can take and hold points without being scared of 2v1 situations.
Other classes have access to heavy survivability where thief has evasion measures(stealth, evade, and shadow step) so it’s very important to use these to a thief’s advantage to confuse opponents. Without all of them a thief has no reason to be anywhere near PvP

I go D/D condi, If you have sigil of stanima with a perm dodge build you can melt anything in the game solo

If you’re playing P/D. Just don’t, the meta isn’t even meta anymore.
Plz get funky with your builds XD

I think dagger 3 needs weakness and vulnerability. And maybe give thief 1 more dodge bar

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This build in WvW works well with ANY Condition damage weapon and armour set.
It’s for the Solo player, the Idea is to be able to capture anything Solo.
I’ve taken Keep’s on my own with this build against 4 enemy defending players.
The idea is to do damage through bleeds by dodging and healing through dodging.
For more survivability go with healing power or vitality + condition damage.
Very cheese build, fairly tough to counter for most WvW builds and can confidently jump into the middle of zergs knowing that you could props survive for a minute (if you survive longer congrats, you just broke my record) ;P
#50stacksofbleeds

If your like me and can’t do a jumping puzzle to save your life because you play on a mac and the game is very laggy, then do I have the class for you!

The staff 5 skill on thief is so accurate I’d almost call it cheating. You can do pretty much every jumping puzzle without having to have any skill just click to where you want to jump! On top of that you even get a little added distance for those extra long jumps!

So next time your stuck on a jumping puzzle, forget that cheap mesmer port garbage, remember that you have a thief in your character slot with the perfect long stick for the job!

One of their weeknesses is distance. If possible fight them from a far

Up until season 4 of pvp it was almost impossible for people to 1v1 me on my permaevade condi thief build I met maybe 3 people who were able to win in a fair fight. But the build has been put down by other classes lately. ????

I find this build pretty east to handle for solo’ing pretty much everything
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAoYVn8lCFOh9OBOPB0PhFqiy7CShtrrnCgDYO77+wH-TRRAABA8AA6Z/h+PEAecEAW4EAQKgFVWB-e

This build is kind of an easy to play (boring-ish)cop out build, it will get you though all the heart of thorns solo. Every time you kill a foe you’re endurance is fully recharged so you can just dodge and kill everything.
I use Carrion equipment, but you can go anything with condition damage if you want (Viper’s, dire, carrion, Apothecary, Rabid, Sinister)

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAoYVn8lCFOh9OBOPB0PhFqiy7CShtrrnCgDYO77+wH-TRRAABA8AA6Z/h+PEAecEAW4EAQKgFVWB-e

This build is kind of an easy cop out build, it will get you though all the heart of thorns solo. Every time you kill a foe you’re endurance is fully recharged so you can just dodge and kill everything.
I use Carrion equipment, but you can go anything with condition damage if you want (Viper’s, dire, carrion, Apothecary, Rabid, Sinister)

Korochun.5862:

The major failing of condi Thieves is that they are literally dealing only two conditions – poison and bleed. Having any sort of a 2+ condi cleanse available means you can’t actually die to them unless you just aren’t paying attention. Wait for them to drop all their initiative on Death Blossom spam, cleanse, heal, pressure. By the time they can counter pressure you, your cleanse and heal should be back up, and they would have been kiting off point anyway.

Anyone who has AoEs can basically drop them on point and go AFK. I don’t think it’s physically possible for a Druid to actually die to a condi thief. So yeah, they shouldn’t be a big problem.

You would cleanse those condi’s and then 4 seconds later you will have just as many condi’s. You would have to have a permanent condi cleanse to go up agains one because they only have a 4 second cool down from evade condi spamming you for 30 seconds

Dude In WvW is where the build excels, I have yet to find a 1 v 1 I can’t win and I can take on small groups of 4 by myself by simply dodging a lot and by using the steal every once in a while to confuse people on where I am.
I agree it’s okay in PvP but you can still win most 1v1’s (except DH cause FTS)
And yeah you can easily solo champs in PvE or take on pretty much anything

Link.1049:

Thank you… I experimented and found something quite similar works well for me in pve, wvw and pvp (though in pvp it can be hard countered if built for it). One thing… why not havoc mastery or the one below that in your daredevil line? You have no physical skills.

Kirochique.9186:

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This be the healing cheeze build you seek. Have fun and remember to dodge!

I use it because it takes the healing skill down to a 16s cooldown is the only reason, really useful to have a healing skill off cooldown that quickly just in case.

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This be the healing cheeze build you seek. Have fun and remember to dodge!

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAoYVn8lCFOhVOB+OB8PhFqiaO77+w37C+gtrrnCgDA-TpRAQBTsMgCOEA9Y/hF8AAi2RAAAnAAA

The Build in Question, Swap for viper amulet for extra damage but loose the ability to never die

You can win almost every 1v1 if you have the right build and know how to use it.

I’ve played a thief with this build style. I completely agree it’s fairly unfair.
When I go up to a 1v1 I have 99% confidence that I will win. And about 50% with 1v2’s.

First of all, condition damage does not work on this build, every time a thief evades an attack they shed a condition, and they are forever evading because they have full endurance regain if you die, or if you stun them, plus on every steal, one of the utility skills and on their heal.
They also have skill 3 on D/D with a full initiative regain utility skill.
Hit a shot or two off on them? Too bad they get 200 health every time they use 1 initiative. They use 4 initiative on skill 3 (800 health on activation).
Think that you can stun them to death? They have 4 stun breaks good luck.
Well it’s a good thing that you can’t pair that much survivability with damage right? Wrong.
When specked with condition damage, you will have at least 10 bleed stacks on you at all times, the only way to survive that much condition damage is if you have lots of condi clear(lots)
If you have none, good luck with those 50 stacks of bleeding bud.

Too bad thief is in a bad place right now so this will never get nerf’d

I play a condi thief religiously, and I find any other play style not even worth it cause it can’t compare. As the way it stands, conditions for thief are a way too OP of a play style.
I run full bleed damage and dodge. 50 stacks of bleeding and nothing can hit me and I have constant regeneration for if something does.
If I run venoms with vipers, I can usually 1 shot someone to death.
If I run traps, they get activated I 1 shot again.

If you set yourself up right you can find yourself surprised when someone beats you in a 1v1 on condi thief.

Hey all, last night I decided to see how much condi damage I could do in WvW with a full set of vipers gear with condi duration runes/sigils and food/utilities.
I got to 100% condi duration.
I set myself up with a decent condition build for thief and wow.
People fell to the build in roughly seconds. Of course it’s not super OP because the survivability isn’t good enough but it’s still an incredible stat set.
With d/d 3 I hit for 7k damage over 20seconds, I was 1v1ing a warrior and in 10 seconds of fighting he was up to 50 stacks of bleeding, it was sick.

So my question is, with all my conditions being up by 100% do you have any sweet condi builds I can try out?

IGN: Jhadir
Thief Type: Artisan
Server: Eredon Terrace
Experience with thief: It’s my main, nothing can stop me while I play thief. I know the class front to back, and specialize in condition damage and survivability. I have a lot to share with the teef community

So I’ve been playing around with an odd combination for a Thief.
I’m running in PvP with the Sage amulet.
For those of you who don’t know
1050 Power
560 Vitality
560 Healing Power
1050 Condition Damage

The heavy hitter in this build is the healing power, in combination with the acrobatics line Assassins reward you get 150 health every time you use an initiative (this gets really crazy in WvW)
Place that in a very dodgy Daredevil build and you have one long lasting dodger of a thief!
I’ve taken on groups of 4 with this system, holding them in place for well over a few minutes while the rest of my team caps points.
I have my build set up for condi damage, bleeds in specific, so that I can focus on surviving rather than attacking(and the best way for this build to survive is to be in the middle of multiple enemies!)

Suuuuper not cool for the other team (I always get hate and people call me a hacker) but it is generally just a troll survivability build!

If you’ve played or played against a thief with this build, what’s your opinion? good or bad for a pvp build?

FrownyClown.8402:

Curennos.9307:

Would help knowing the details of the build. I know there’s a chunk of vulnerability frames at the end of the staff 5 Vault skill…but IIRC there’s one more ability out there somewhere used for the ‘perma’ evade thingy.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQJAoYn8lCFOh9OBGmC8PhFqiqrnCgGw7C+gtbO77+wH

I think this is what they use. Basically they spam dagger 3 and evades, while maintaining endurance from the heal and signet.

You’re dead on with the build that is the one, all the evades almost no break in dodges

Eval.2371:

Adding my own two cents… I experimented tank thief for a while, mainly as a front liner.

Thief kinda struggles with the whole tank concept because it lacks stability and even if you perma dodge, you still have windows at the start and end of dodges where you can be locked down and rendered useless. Anyone worth their salt knows what to do vs a dodge spaming dagger dagger thief. I found that staff was a much better tool for tank thief, as it allowed you to sustain via blinds and weakness, have two skills that dodge, as well as make picks with hook strike.

I ended up running this.

The whole idea of the build is to either knock them down repeatedly from stealth with hook strike and burst them with vault/weakening charge or dash in between people while putting up blinds and weakness. It was very effective but struggles in the burst department at times.

As far as WvW goes this build has not been defeated by another player in a 1v1 yet, The build works fairly well for zerg confusion, as you can jump into the middle of a zerg and come out unscathed, or just confuse them enough for your zerg to surprise them.

Taobella.6597:

to be a bunker thief you need up time on weakness + ranged skills thief hp may be small but weakness make thief very hard to kill when they can never crit you. so that being said i would change your minor to weakness one

Thanks! The minor skill reduces uptime on the heal skill and gives extra endurence. If only it wasn’t so useful id be able to switch it ????

Also have the insta stunbreak every 40s and 2 stunbreak utilities

Your mobility / chase comes from your signet and your steal both have a good 20s’ish cooldown
, but yes you could swap out sb for d/p kitten is only good for skill 5

So I’ve recently come upon build crafting for Thief and I had an idea!
Thief tank.
Many other classes can make a good tank, why not thief?
So I got to experimenting, the only tanky thing a thief can do is dodge.
Imagine this,
A thief that forever dodges and just spreads condi’s everywhere and has a constant heal! Awful right?
Yes for everyone else!
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAoYVn8lCFOhVOB+OB8PhFqiaO77+w37C+gtrrnCgGA-TpRAQBc4QAAgHAwCOBA9Y/hJWGwDHBAA

With this build your Dagger/Dagger 3 skill heals you for 600HP every time you use it,
Your evades are pretty much forever as you have signet of agility and channeled vigor.
Every dodge does damage, gives you swiftness and clears conditions.
I find myself running into 1v2’s instead of avoiding them and keeping players occupied for minutes at a time trying to kill me, and if they can’t then they bleed to death no matter how much condi clear they have.
How is this not the Meta?!

Let me know what you all think as a thief community? I’m really happy I’m able to share this with you all, even if you prefer power bursty builds.
Thx – Jhadir

Lately I’ve been seeing some very tanky thieves, like can go up against 3 and not loose very much health, if any at all. It’s all about what kind of thief you have on your team, they can be pretty versatile as to what they should be doing.

NemesiS.6749:

Kirochique.9186:

Dangus.6572:

That’s my current build for condi d/d daredevil. As stated above #3 #3 #3. and daredevil with acrobatics gives you lots of evasion.

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If ya want a little more evade to outlast the other players and kill them with condi’s, go for Channeled vigor for your heals.w endurance refill and Signet of agility for the extra 3 dodges. +stanima sigil for full endurance refill on every kill

i tried that build but well with squishy gear not dire. It survive more but how do you deal with the lost of deadly arts and poison on dagger attacks, more poison damage and all that? I dont think depending on just one condition (bleeding) is good, its easier to cleans and get rip of it, i dunno just saying.

I know how it sounds, relying on one condi sounds nuts. But it works soooooo well, you pump out so many bleeds that no one has enough condi clear to clear them all. I would never use deadly arts with this build not only because I don’t really need the poison damage, but because the trickery and acro is just way too necessary to outlast your opponent. (condi’s work with time)

D/D. Dodge, dodge,dodge, signet, dodge,dodge,dodge, 33333, dodge 3, heal, dodge,dodge,dodge, signet, dodge….. ????

It’s pretty fun to play with, but it is very troll in pvp. I like to place it on a point to defend or I sometimes like to be really troll and put it behind the point so when they make a cap, you flash in behind the point and retake it. Most people don’t expect it so they don’t even turn around to recap it. But yeah it’s a little glitchy. You have to play with it a little to know where it does and doesn’t work, it would be very powerful if it wasn’t so glitchy :p

I you stick with it and do some experimenting you’ll eventually find yourself very surprised when you loose a 1v1, it takes practice but you can get really really good.

Signet of Stamina, Every kill recharges your endurance, no cool down.

I’ve played around with a few venom share builds, they are pretty fun. I’m always super happy when I see a bunch of venoms on me at the start of a game It’s not played very often, but I still enjoy it every once in a while.

Dangus.6572:

That’s my current build for condi d/d daredevil. As stated above #3 #3 #3. and daredevil with acrobatics gives you lots of evasion.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAoYVnMJCNPhlOBemC0PhlviaO4P+lv7kSxV0LAmgiD-T1RAABjp8jp9HmUJY0PAAAOBA5oPAJ1fCAgAwMn5Mn5MnZpAmUsF-w

If ya want a little more evade to outlast the other players and kill them with condi’s, go for Channeled vigor for your heals.w endurance refill and Signet of agility for the extra 3 dodges. +stanima sigil for full endurance refill on every kill

So far it’s been an interesting ride working with BG, as an ETer my guild has been having some fun trying to keep up to the very fast paced gameplay with more than 2 zerg running. It’s a whole different game, but a nice little temporary change.
Hopefully we kick some this week!

-Jhadir (TFor)

I’ve recently been running a build like this as a thief. No one can beat me its pretty cheese. But yeah the best way to win would be to stay away and attack from far away or confuse them with clones or be a diamond ele. But it is still an amazing build, you can’t miss a dodge though or you die. I’m a huuge fan and it brought my thief game from zero to hero.