Guild Wars 2

why do we argue about gw2?

because we love the idea of the game.

will it have a future on its current path?

yes but a very short one.

will it change?

not likely

how likely are new players to play gw2 over other MMOs?

not likely

what type of audience should Gw2 go for?

people with no MMO experience (to better hide its Flaws and problems.)

will experienced MMO gamers enjoy this game?

not for long

InfernoCrossing.8063:

If you think about it, Guild Wars 2 has survived some pretty major releases. From what I remember we have:

1. WoW: Mists of Pandaria – Came out somewhat shortly after release and marked the start of the doomsayers

2. Elder Scrolls Online – Lotta people said they’d flee to Tamriel since this boat was sinking. Apparently they crossed the paths of a lotta black cats since ESO burned faster than pre-buff Caledon Wurm.

3. Wildstar – Appealed more to the hardcore MMO player and a major company rival. Should’ve had more appeal since it didn’t cater to “casuals”. However, with the recent string of bad news from this game, this is another notch on GW2’s, belt.

4. D3: Reaper of Souls – The most important one that I recall. Almost singlehandedly revived D3 back up to snuff. I repeat, a single expansion saved this dying MMO.

5. Destiny – Most recent one, although the weakest overall since it’s on the console and not on PC, like GW2. Still a pretty major MMO release, but it just seems to have bad news after bad news.

In short, GW2 has survived long past things that should’ve killed it. Does it have a future? Most likely yes. Will it be a good future? Hopefully. We can only wait to see if the current round of CDIs will have some decent fruit later on.

Actually your right. gw2 did survive. but it good hurt pretty bad with each one of those.

and to backpedal Anet had to try and real in new players for the lose they made.

to adjust the answer you gave. does Gw2 have a future MAYBE

will people leave the game for other games. YES
will it affect Gw2. YES

i find Gw2 Boring Myself.

theres not much to do, the things you can do get boring very fast and repetitive.

The acended gear is just as grindy as other MMO’s

the Zerker meta is annoying.

world bosses are too easy and simple.

the reward system is bad.. I get better rewards picking my nose

Movement speed is annoying.

Trading post is corrupt

Gems are too expensive

legendarys arent special enough to spend 2 months to farm every day.

Graphics look too " Japanese "

Builds are Cookie cutters ( some build out shine others)

no Dueling

no mounts

no GvG

no Housing

the list goes on and on.

Short Answer… no.

with that said i will keep my eye on Gw2 and bounce between the forums occiasionally.

but there is sooooooooooooo many other games out there that give you that " IM HAVING FUN" feeling.

for me currently, Gw2 is not one of them.

i think like the majority, there just isnt enough to do on gw2 and i dont have trust in the developers

just tested and i agree. Consume conditions is far better than the SoV.

thanks for advise,

minions still 50% of the time dont attack the target.

what would you recomend to replace Vampire signet?

LEECH LOG

sigil leech deals 1k damage and heals you for 1k ( sigil on wep)

leech per hit deals 50 dmg and heals you for 50 ( trait in blood magic,)

leech per crit deals 50 dmg and heals you for 50 ( trait in blood magic)

leech per food deals 800 dmg and heals you for 900 ( omnomnom pie)

leech per signet deals 500 dmg and heals you for 600 ( Vampire signet )

leech on rune deals 500 dmg and heals you for 600 ( vampire runes)

Leech on Signet deals 500 dmg heals for 1k per person in area , up to 5 ( Signet of locust)

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRAQRAoY3dn0ISjNWZD22AHOmAXQkdVs5aC9iAtA-TFCEABFqEMKlfxpfwn9HI4EAgwTAoR1kittenAQKgyVGB-w

" Vampire build"

Full knights gear,

Dagger/dagger – Axe/focus

Utility = Vampire signet, Signet of Spite, Signet of Locust, Spectral Armour, Lich form

Traits = 6,0,5,3,0

with food = 3000 power, 50% crit, 3230 toughness, 20k health

the aim is to leech as much life through on crit Leech effects and autoattack.

( Leech on crit food, Leech on crit trait, leech on crit sigil, Leech on hit, leech on signet,
leech on rune)

you may not hit hard crits, but the Passive leech makes up for the difference whilst keeping you tanky.

i like the idea as mentioned above about new skills and maybe having weapon skills changeable for ( 2, 3, 4, 5 ) skills

but i still feel the current classes have gotten Stale and after seeing and understanding each encounter from each role. u do tend to get bored.

THANKS FOR FEEDBACK GUYS.

keep it coming

new classes do bring balance issues yes..

but new classes bring new builds, new counters, new tactics, new gameplay, the need to relevel through the map again,

it has a lot more PROs than CONs … imo

anyone else feel new classes would be alot of fun?

and if so what classes would you like to see in gw2?

i would like a " Reaver" ( like a demonic axe wielding warrior) that uses its own health to do powerful attacks

Would love a voting system ingame to choose what Lions arch looks like

to all those people moaning about rangers and Rapid fire.

its called KARMA !

weve been unpowered for 2 years. and now we beat you… you all CRY

i love it when you cry.

please cry more

Fixed a bug that prevented some accounts from having vistas now unlock on an account-wide basis rather than a per-character basis.

Skill challenges now unlock on an account-wide basis rather than a per-character basis as originally intended.

does this mean that if i have 100% vistas all my alts will have them vistas?

i just want the Hlyeck Tongue to start the collection..

but it wont drop

is Diminishing returns affecting me ?

i am trying to loot the hyleck collection but ive been farming them for over 1 hour now.
and no loot

must have the following.

Guild Halls.

GvG

Guild Alerts and Calander

why do we continue to fight for this game though?

it really makes me wonder whats the point to some extent that i will be trying new MMO’s

its not because of the mistakes they made with patchs and being disapointed

its because i have no trust and feel too distance from Anet.

it feels like there is no love and no respect from them.

we gave them 2 years… thats plenty enough time..

look at the ratings,
look at the youtube community
look at the reviews
look at the other forums
look at the ingame hate
look at the 1000s of bugs
look at the timeframe of changes

no1 cares about gw2 anymore, its a disappointment.

we havent even got tens of thousands of players in game

so what a bunch of lies this is.

we all Learnt to play MMO’s at one point in our life.

why is this quote coming across that we were somehow born with the skills to play MMOs…

what a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE patch this has been.

worst MMO NPE in history

+1

this explains the NPE.

the worst idea ever in MMO history… gw2 NPE

AGREE!

give us a PTR realm.

selecting a handful of people is not public thoughts. we shoud have a PTR realm where we ALL can give back feedback.

on an up note. i will not be paying for gems ever again
i dont support people who give 2 years of disapointment updates

ill be putting that money into other games that are not NCsoft or Anet.

lost my trust.

why are people even arguing about this. its clearly still boring.

nothing has changed

the only major change they have done has actually made it worse to play. the unlocking skills and new leveling.

GG, well done.

Butterflys and unicorns.

even the Swear box on the forums makes you say " kitten" which in some respect shows the challenge level of most monsters.

Kittens, Butterflies and unicorns…

the Challenge Mote in living story is a good start. give that to all dungeons and world bosses.

no.

game will still be boring.

just with more fancy buttons and ui

pvp is not challenging at all.
think im at 98% rating in soloq and team arena.. not too far from top 1000

the point is.

all these Rainsbows and unicorns ticklling me and producing easy to no challenge will not only bore me( hardcore players)
but also Casuals.

DO NOT get the word casual mixed up with EASY MODE.

soo fed up of these little unicorns doing nothing. with no challenge.
Set me on fire, chain me to a volcano and give me 1 minute to kill… i dont care
give me a challenge.

Demons/ Dragons/ Minions…. whatever

give them an instant kill skill … i dont care.

GIVE US MORE HARD CONTENT !!?!

these butterflys and soo called world bosses are a joke. i have a harder time play fighting my 3yr old sister.

set some Evil B#stards on me. let them hunt me down. give me some really hard Challenging things to overcome.

i dont want your butterflys and unicorns.. they can go back to peppa pig land

can we have some hard and challenging content please.

after all this Dumbing down the whole game, i would like the option to play as i want to play ( like it was advertised 2 years ago)

i like to play hardcore, challenging things.

i dont want butterflys and unicorns prancing around giving me an easy time.

i want demons keyboard smashing my dead corpse 1000 times before i kill them.

sort yourself out Anet, lets have some actual real MMO action

Vayne.8563:

Zardul.3952:

i would suggest Anet open up a public test realm. where we can test out new maps and traits and content.

the amount of feedback can give Anet a Plan of attack for bugs and problems before it has rolled out..

which in the long run.. keeps players… which keeps profits.

you really need to think outside the box to retain players

Actually it wouldn’t work for this game for a lot of reasons. First among them is that there’s no real time in the schedule for it.

how would you know if it did or didn’t work.
you dont work at ANET.

i think it would be a very good idea to test things that need feedback. and it would stop all the exploits before they roll out.. players wouldn’t moan as much and people would actually enjoy the game a little better.

which is all good for profits.

i would suggest Anet open up a public test realm. where we can test out new maps and traits and content.

the amount of feedback can give Anet a Plan of attack for bugs and problems before it has rolled out..

which in the long run.. keeps players… which keeps profits.

you really need to think outside the box to retain players

Back again.

a public Test realm. pre patchs would solve a lot of bugs and fixes most people experience during patch release.

if we had a BETA TEST for patchs we wouldn’t have problems that have occurred in the past with EVERY patch.

for example – the Event chain bug on dragon reach part 1/2

in 2015 , without any changes for Gw2. the profits will decline further.

you cannot expect people to stay interested when Change is not occurring at a certain level of interest to players time invested in the game.

Anet really need to think about Expansions and Real NEW content that holds up.

MAYBE… Public BETA tests could better help this game improve and thus improve Profits.

like most people have said.
its a steady decline and i would imagine its because of the content and updates being underwhelming and serious issues still in the game that need bug fixing.

the onyl way to stop a decline is to change your approach. the Cheese(money) is not always going to be there.

read the book " who moved my Cheese " its about how to deal with losing profits and money.

very common and popular business book

i would like to give my feedback on the Music in Guild wars 2.

i really like the approach to the dry top progressive music.

is it possible we will see more music progression like the one found in Dry Top ?

Yeah there’s nothing special about be leveling 80 it’s soo boring I barely log on.

Everyone at some stage gets burnt out on the Bordem of this game because of the lack on level 80 only content.

We need more reasons to play at max level.

Otherwise we just don’t log on, we don’t have fun. I will not level a new character just to enjoy the game

I would also like to see more done with Naval battles.

Seeing as lions arch is a pirate themed place we don’t have much ship battles

Imagine if we could have a world event where we get into a ship and use cannons to destroy other ships.

We have cannons in game already applying them to a boat wouldn’t break the lore, it would be a nice change from the hack and slash we have at the moment

If anet delivered a poll I think I would vote GvE

But apply a structures sense to it. Like for example

- protect the castle from the horde of mordemoth
Guild members and the public may join in during the event, in fort salma

And receiving a world chest for completion
But if it fails that area is lost ( waypoints don’t work, area is covered in mordemoth minions )

It would give us a sense of having to work together in each map to complete these challenges not only for loot but for protecting our waypoints and forts

MURSAAT. all Disapeared….

or so you think

( Rata sum = Mursaat)

BUY MORE GOLD button ..

does this mean we can buy gold for IRL money?

Dont Argue with Vayne.

trust me it will get you nowhere.
he derails many many threads on this forum.

@op
people complain because Anet seem to spend more resources on unnessary things.
and not on the issues that matter.

how many updates have you seen that you are 100% happy with?

the main issues need to be addressed and fixed before adding new features.

Vayne.8563:

cesmode.4257:

Vayne.8563:

Tachenon.5270:

Vayne.8563:

It sure indicated the game has a lot of enemies, just like WoW does. Which doesn’t mean everyone who posts their gets what the devs are trying to do. This is what I keep saying.

There are many people who don’t like this game because it’s missing dueling or open world PvP, but those were never really on the table. They certainly weren’t central to what Anet was talking about.

It doesn’t matter how many people hate a game, if the people who like the game as it is sold is enough to ensure the future of the game.

Too many people want to turn this into a cookie cutter MMO, and that’s what some people are trying to protect. Many already think it’s gone too far in that direction.

The people who want specific things, are likely to be disappointed if they don’t get those things.

But you know, because anyone can log onto those sites, anyone at all, even a WoW fanboy who hates this game can post an negative review. People can even post reviews who’ve never played the game before.

At the end of the day, we have a reasonable idea of how the game is doing from quarterly reports. It’s doing fine. That’s how it’s doing.

Changing the game to try to capture many of those dissatisfied people could very well lead to the people already here being dissatisfied.

I get what you’re saying. It’s like Justin Bieber. It doesn’t matter how many people make fun of him or profess to hate him, what counts is the gajillions of hits his videos get on youtube.

So, looking at it from that perspective, GW2 is the Justin Bieber of MMOs. Or is trying to be. Or something.

Yeah!

I don’t agree with all of them, but I’m still largely happy with the game. And I think people who play like me mostly are…and we’re sort of the target audience…at least the PvE’ers are. I can’t talk about PvP.

So how does this quote from you come off as an opinion in your eyes…

vs

me saying “I think a lot of people dislike Living Story” come off as trying to state opinion as fact? Just rebutting what you previously mentioned to me.

Easy. If you list the features that were listed for the game in PvE they appeal to a specific demographic.

So look at MMOs over all and their features. There’s the raids and hard content MMOs. THere’s the sandbox do anything you want MMOs. There’s the living breathing world, themepark MMOs.

They’re trying to appeal to the same type of players that like games like Skyrim. The devs even said something along those lines. They’re looking for people who want to be in the open world, not locked away in instances.

How do I know this? Because that’s what they come out with. They don’t make an instanced raid, they make the triple threat. They don’t make more dungeons (and that they won’t be focusing on that annoys some people but not me), they make more dynamic events, like in Dry Top.

How hard is it to understand that I like what the devs are doing, therefore, the game is probably aimed at my demographic? I’d think that was pretty clear cut.

im going to banish those statements u made with a few words.

2 years of development. and to show for those points u just made can be counted on 1 hand.

Skyrim had its first expac with a year+ updates+ no gated gemstore stuff..

just saying

Illuminati.2431:

Vayne.8563

So tell me? What difference does it make?

Do you know there are entire sites devoted to hating WoW? Entire sites. There are probably more people who hate WoW than have ever played Guild Wars 2.

Reviews are well and good. Some of them mean something and some of them mean nothing. There are lots of people who don’t like chess. Probably far more people who don’t like chess than like it. Does that make chess a bad game?

Anet came out with a very specific goal. They’ve had to move the goal posts from the goal several times, mostly for people like you.

And people left this game because they did. You know the whole vertical progression gear thing? That’s anathema to this community.

But some people wanted it and left the game and complained there wasn’t enough of it. And OTHER people went and played the game and left because there was too much of it.

The people who want end game, a specific type of end game, who’ve come to this game are not going to like the game, even though the devs were quite clear that end game wasn’t going to exist here.

I’m not stressed about reviews on MMORPG.com because not everyone is going to like a game. Take a look at some of the WOW reviews sometimes.

This isn’t a site devoted to hating Guild wars2, it a site where people can share their opinions and thoughts about ANY mmorpg. And the fact that the first page is only flooded with negativity towards the game, and that the same goes for any other generalized mmorpg forum, kind of indicates the fact that maybe the unsatisfied players aren’t a small minority anymore.

This.

Vayne.8563:

cesmode.4257:

Vayne.8563:

cesmode.4257:

Blaeys.3102:

I’m still very happy with the game – as are many in my guild. There are things we would love to see done or added, but in the meantime, we are having fun.

On a related topic – am I happy with the forums? Not so much. The ridiculous infighting between the same small group of players (in almost every thread of significance) pretty much buries any legitimate feedback and makes informed discussion difficult.

Hai.

Well, until Arenanet either bans me completely from the forums(and thus the game Id imagine…), or figures out a way to keep inactive player accounts off of the forums, I am free to post my displeasure on the forums and express much concern over the future of this game.

By the way, it is only through folks that provide feedback, suggestions, harsh criticisms that anything ever gets done. Otherwise the fanboi populace will nod and agree that all is well with the game, and not much changes.

Be thankful there are people like me on the forums.

Now, when a particular someone chimes in on every post that I seem to make and spits out his usual banter of “well not everyone thinks the way you do…” for every single argument, and thus tries to convert me to fanboi-ism, thats where the infight starts.

I keep a skeptical and critical eye on the game and provide feedback from someone on the outside(currently not playing) looking in. I think this feedback is as valuable as someone that is playing and enjoying the game because my prespective is one of someone who WOULD come back if certain changes were made, and I bet my fat paycheck there are many of us in that boat.

I assume you’re talking about me. I don’t comment on every post you make. Far from it. But just like you’ll call Anet out when you feel they’ve done something wrong, I’ll do the same with forum posters.

Forums are all about communication. If someone says, the game is dying with no actual proof, you’re kitten ed right I’ll call them out. But a lot of your posts are reasonable and I just move on.

If I’m answering a post, I’ve seen something in it I disagree with. I’m pretty sure that forums are here to discuss stuff. Not just let people say something you disagree with and not say anything.

Oh dear, I didnt mention you! Why would you think that?

Lately, you’ve been climbing all over my posts. I think you’ve missed me during my absence.

Regardless, one does not need proof when he/she says they think the game is dying. Its their opinion. Its my opinion that LS is crap and that more people would get more out of the game if development was spent elsewhere, and not on LS. And when I say this, I base this on in-game chat, the multitude of disapproving posts and threads here, the enormous volume of negativity toward the game on other gaming websites and forums. For me, and combined with my own personal experience and opinion, its enough for me to form an generalized opinion. And I am entitled to just that.

I need no proof for my opinion. None.

And herein lies the problem. People feel free to post opinions worded as fact, and then someone comes to the forums and says “Is anyone happy with the game?” Why do people have to ask this question?

Because opinions worded the way you word them often sound like you’re trying to state a fact. Saying “the game is dying” isn’t really a statement of opinion. And more, not everyone will see it as a statement of opinion.

If more people posted opinions as opinions, threads like this one might not have to be made at all.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/473/view/forums/forum/1398/Reviews-Impressions.html

have a look at those reviews,

its the same on all the other sites that review gw2.

these are all opinions too. but for the majority. you’ll see a pattern arise.

Gibson.4036:

How difficult new things are to implement is largely irrelevant. That’s entirely up to ArenaNet to kitten, and armchair developers sitting around on forums trying to guess at the workflow needed for this or that feature or content is just fodder for endlessly circling arguments.

“I’m not happy with GW2” is somewhat useful, “I’m happy with GW2” is marginally so, since both of these are already clearly communicated by your login patterns.

“This specific part of the game decreases my enjoyment,” is useful, as is “This specific part of the game is one of the most enjoyable things.” “I think I’d enjoy the game more with a specific thing added to it or changed about it” is also useful, as is “Your proposed addition or change would decrease my enjoyment.”

Speculating about how difficult a change would be to implement, though, is all on ArenNet’s side, and since they’ve clamped down on communication with the player base shortly after launch, we’re not going to be privy to what they think in that regard other than seeing it implemented or not.

A lot of pointless argument could be avoided if we could stick to discussing whether we think a certain thing would be more enjoyable or not, rather than making up information we don’t really have about how things would impact ArenaNet finances or manpower.

There’s really no need to appeal to objective authority here. Every player has an equal voice to express what they find entertaining or not about the game, and whether or not it will make them more or less inclined to play and, more importantly, spend money.

tl;dr As to the OP, I’m largely indifferent to the September patch. Over the course of my relationship with GW2, I’ve gone from proselytizing fan starting in 2010 to mildly disappointed but hopeful advocate by early 2013, to disappointed mostly ex-player who occasionally logs on to play with a family member and make sure to unlock the current living story chapter. In parallel with that journey, I’ve gone from small, but regular financial supporter to no longer supporting the game.

If I still had hope that GW2 was going to become reinvigorated, I’d probably be very disappointed by what I’ve seen of the September patch so far, but at this point it’s about what I’ve come to expect. Still keeping an eye on things, because you never know what might happen, but no longer holding my breath.

Truth. i went from cant wait to get home from work to play gw2 in 2012/2013
to
cant wait for that new game to come out as gw2 is going nowhere anytime soon. 2014

cesmode.4257:

Vayne.8563:

So back to the topic at hand, if this thread is any indication, it seems like lots of people still are happy with this game. That should answer your question OP.

Conversely, I would say there are as many unhappy folks too. No way to tell, not even based on this thread.

So the question will most likely remain unanswered, OP. And since the game has no subscription numbers to report at quarterly meetings with investors, there is really no way to know the health of the game and its player concurrency.

Could be healthy and popular, could not be. Who knows.

id place my money on its not, i am purely basing that on everyone i have met irl who has experienced the game and no longer play or regret playing. which for anyone who is interested, is everyone ive spoken to about this topic IRL

cesmode.4257:

Im not happy with the game development direction. I haven’t been happy with it for quite some time now, yet I am passionate about the potential of the game that I feel Arenanet continues to squander. I still follow it via articles and forums in hope that one day they will make some changes that I would enjoy.

This is my opinion, however.

you are not alone