Guild Wars 2

yes, static spirits would kitten the minor work dev’s had trying to make them more apelative, for static domes guardian already has the useless shield 5 and the non elite sanctuary, and these 2 are already easy countered/avoided, spirits weapons are in a worse state.

Some players have been asking for that also on guardian class forum, meybe an adaptation of of land skills, imo spear 1 handed while trident 2 handed for casters.

Yeah that is true the problem i see it now, theres no healers, it would end in several ganks and 1vs1, every one know the only strategy in this game is kill before it lays eggs, and classes are mostly imbalanced for 1v1.

dammn hard to bring the old epicness from gw1 :| we’ve been converted to blobber’s that spend all time spamming 1 key.

kitten .9460:

You mean mindless zerg vs zerg, AoE vs AoE, no just no.

What Chuo said.

thast not gvg, players not talking about guild clashes and waterfield spams.

link for epicness

Spirit skills still need rework, as much i would love to use SoA on combat is not that efective at all.

As an example an elementalist AOE/ground skill skill 1hit ko the spirit weapon.

Zaxares.5419:

I don’t mind the change, but please remove the bridge in the rock and adjust the map so it doesn’t look like the river is still there.

Maybe they just made it simple with little work in case its needed to be reverted, if its to stay for sure is going to be patched.

This would be an excellent event to test the GvG scheme, some gvg arenas on the pavillion would fit into an weekend event or something

Dean Calaway.9718:

To the original post on the first page…

Jim Hunter.6821:

I like this idea too, make the limit of how many can be on map MUCH lower, something obscenely lower like fifty! I like it – I vote yes!

How about have a dynamic cap?
You have servers A, B and C, which ever has the smallest number of players on that map, that number is set as cap.

Lets imagine in the Eternal Battleground the servers have the following numbers:

A: 75
B: 42
C: 50
(…)

so what if a BL is left w/o any player?

Problem i found on WvW is “hammer > everything else” i always try to find a build to play mace shield on wvw, wich is far inferior to the hammer in team group.

IMO i believe mace heal should had its % heal improved, i dont think it is a equivalent weapon to the 20% prot that hammer offers, and shield or the Guardian bubbles should be improved, becouse at the momment all they do is protect against range auto atacks and rangers.

Apolo.5942:

Booms.2594:

Apolo.5942:

Booms.2594:

ArchonWing.9480:

I don’t play/care about pvp

Guardians:

Great in PvE
Great in wvw >3 people, dominant and mandatory as numbers increase to the point where compositions demand at least 1 guardian per party in zergs
Mediocre at solo roaming wvw though not necessarily hopeless but nothing compares with a thief anyways.
In general the presence of guard stacks benefits guardian greatly due to their low base health.

The underdog IMO is the necromancer, and the class in the worst spot. It is the worst class in pve and while great in large scale wvw tends to be a poor roamer. (Good duelist, but much like the guardian has little in the way of disengage and pursuit)

Note that I judge in relative terms. You can definitely roam on any class but some are just easier than others to get results.

but then it also wins every 1v1 and 2v2 in the game for pvp

If your opponent is are complete kittens, sure why not, thou the same can be said for every other class in the game…

im talking about top (top top top) tier pvp

Sadly design should not be based about what the top 1% can do with it, but what your average joe can.

Apolo, i think some classes are designed/update for that matter.

Dancing Face.4695:

Aeolus.3615:

Dancing Face.4695:

This will finally split zerg, will incentive small scale fights or this will turn the usual wvw maps into a eotm: if you can’t manage to defend a structure you stop caring about’em and start farming keep and tower bosses.

Anyway this is a good “shake” to wvw, things will change for sure.

I hope the first 2 option will be adopted, wvw could be fun in the end.

i believe what would happen is this would turn blob even more productive, with no sword, its only a drop plenty of catas near walls (or non visible points when u can cata non keep zones and still damage walls )and no one know keep/tower is under atack, take stuff faster, more ppt, more flipfest, more AB redundancy, more easyer wxp.

How can a Blolb be more productive? Blolb is usually made by pugs not using TS. Blob can pop up orange swords and be spotted. Blob are much more noiser and visually easier to detect.

Other side are small group, no orange swords at all and nomore white. Hard to catch with eyes and can ninja non scouted structures. A 25 blolb split into 5 groups can , hipotetically, take 5 unscouted and undefended structure while the blob must take those 1 by 1 ecountering the defence of each one becausse of the size of their own number.

This change will give more chances to small grp to take towers of blobs. Now if defender want to keep theese structures must leave the zerg and start spreading the map. 2 zerg split.

Anyway the rewarding system should be changed as well.

if no one atack gate theres no orange sword u have a blob(large group) just for massive supply drop and plenty of siege that can atack outter and inner wall, in a few seconds, and with this u ddint had the notify on that keep, orange sword pop up when every one tags lord wich stays alive like 5-10 seconds max?

• when i said blob its like in the context of a karma train or a large stacked group, zerg would fit to me more in the context of non TS users but each one to is own.

• i also talk from a server that hardly can have the players to create a large group, usually 2 -5 @ BL.

EDIT: overall with this change will be easier for both large and small groups to take stuff, i can understand now several ways for small man groups take stuff w/o being noticed to.

kitten of cap fest.

calyx.9086:

kitten .9460:

Lol no GW2 will never be esport unless they start taking pvp seriously. (not gonna happen) 2 years and still no GvG

I’m not sure what GvG has to do with pvp being an e-sport or not? I participated in the last tournament, and what do you know, 5 people from our guild participated in 5 people from another guild. Hence, GvG.

This is not an argument that spvp constitutes an e-sport, just don’t see what GvG has to do with it. Especially since most people seem to feel like GvG is basically team deathmatch.

Ur talking about gw1 tournament right?

OGDeadHead.8326:

coglin.1867:

There are tons of skills that have similar problems. Flame thrower has a 10 hit AoE auto attack. Retal can be brutal.

The issue is with retaliation, it should be a % of damage done dealt back with an upper limit, but I don’t think anet will ever change the mechanic of this boon.

The skill(s) were done right in gw1.

that would improve damage back, and retaliation was nerfed now its like 240-280 damage, big AOE hits needed theyr counterplay if not it would be more free bags than already is.

Gaile Gray.6029:

I’m enormously fond of Lion’s Arch, and I dream of the day when it’s back to its former glory. I guess if you look at this in realistic terms, suffish and Stramatus are right: If it’s going to happen, the process would take time. After all, Rome wasn’t (re)built in a day.

I see more workers these days, and hey, CrimeDog, that’s one big rock!

I’m now waiting for the Coliseum Arena >:]

got to my server BL build some siege and log off when notice we are only 3 players there.

thief bow skill 3 bug on the stairs still working? >:P

for thiefs they could enter inside wall and exit to avoid some damage.

I like that QL w/o bridge but havent seen it yet.

Game do not need an expansion IMO, what they need is to tune LS to bring the same as expansions over time, some TP souvenirs would cover the price.

Dancing Face.4695:

This will finally split zerg, will incentive small scale fights or this will turn the usual wvw maps into a eotm: if you can’t manage to defend a structure you stop caring about’em and start farming keep and tower bosses.

Anyway this is a good “shake” to wvw, things will change for sure.

I hope the first 2 option will be adopted, wvw could be fun in the end.

i believe what would happen is this would turn blob even more productive, with no sword, its only a drop plenty of catas near walls (or non visible points when u can cata non keep zones and still damage walls )and no one know keep/tower is under atack, take stuff faster, more ppt, more flipfest, more AB redundancy, more easyer wxp.

kitten .9460:

Lol no GW2 will never be esport unless they start taking pvp seriously. (not gonna happen) 2 years and still no GvG

^this.

hummm hummmm, let me imagine servers being merged by map location for a few seconds….

yak slappers + Borlis + north. shiverpeaks = Shiverpeaks Mountains, but thats 2 big ones with a small server think would not work :|

I know i went a little bit to the extreme, but my opinion about EOTM stays.
im still choked with the no white sword as a possible update and this would event turn out to be more confusing, becouse low WvW servers dont have eneught players to drop traps and when one leave the map trap gets removed, and as we all know there are already some keeps/tower that can be taken on legal and doubtful ways since they are here since beta like cata cliff’s near the wall or under the wall etc.

The game is not prepared to this changes.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

killahmayne.9518:

dancingmonkey.4902:

I am all for something such as healing on actions, perhaps even similar to ele’s healing signet. The fact that it heals, with poison applied, as strong as many professions heals with a 25s, that do not have poison applied, in a passive manner, is problematic.

I’m still waiting for your math. I never claimed at Healing Signet under poison healed for more than any other heal skill under poison, so go ahead, please.

The sad thing is, it does heal for more under poison than most other healing skills do without poison. Not all of them, sure. Troll Unguent and Ether Renewal both have higher HP/second than poisoned healing signet (but less than non-poisoned healing signet). All of a Guardian’s and Necro’s heals, for example, have lower HP/second than poisoned healing signet (bar Consume Conditions eating 2+ conditions).

Do the math yourself. It really isn’t difficult.

Healing signet passive heal > Virtue of resolve passive healing :P

last day?
Lets see what this CDI will result, they had alot of good brainstorming here.

Alfwyn.8704:

Taking away white swords will shift the advantage to the higher population servers. There are simply more people around noticing attacks on those.

Anyway, what will happen to waypoints? Will they still indicate an attack, or will they appear normal but don’t work if you try to use them (or even take you to a “random” other uncontested waypoint near)?

Probably every one can port in massive way to kill 5 players or only guild put buffs on is the one that has acess to the waypoint only.

By the other hand this might promote more guilds taking care of a certain tower/keep, but once again low pop servers can only get like 2 or 3 players during the day on BL and other 10 on eb?

IMO IF Anet wants this working first they have to adress several game design mistakes that invalute this option they want to introduce wich mean a little rework/change on WVW.

Probably this will make less field combat and groups stacking on tower with siege, wich IMO is a ugly concept.

EOTM should deleted/removed from game, its not healthy to the game, it brings more noobification to the game.

oxtred.7658:

That signet goes against the guardian concept ( active defense class, reliant on boons/ active condition removal). It’s a huge “focus me” in www and pvp, and it’s a misunderstanding of the class. Use consecrations for maximum pve support, and read the sticky Talyn posted.

signet should give more 90 or 150 toughness on passive ;P

Shademehr.1397:

#bringbackthequaggans

(they were delicious)

Quagan soup ftw!

Virtute.8251:

Aeolus.3615:

screamming to team when player decided to get overextended.

This happens all the time in GvG, when the same kind of guild goes to WvW for raid, or at least after the fight. For the same reasons, too: their survival and their team’s DPS depends upon being in range of the ally spells. Those spells are on rotation. Overextending means they miss a boon, screw the rotation, get caught out, die, and lose the match for their team. No, the builds aren’t the same. Yes, the mechanics are different. But, no, the concept hasn’t been entirely lost.

kitten .9460:

owait I can stack boon duration and autoattack on a guard, such deep gameplay brah ;p

That would be asinine, and it never happens in competent GvG. Auto attack, even for guards with loot sticks, is a filler between other skill casts. Team DPS will drop if you don’t do it. The opponent has to be punished for coming near you. If #1 is the only skill on cooldown, though, you’re losing that fight or the opponent is garbage.

Even mentioning “boon duration” shows that you’re typing from the side lines of a no-GvG server.

ill i can imagine to success in stacked blob vs stacked blob is the continuous waterfield blasts(that tsunami effect) and ele’s range aoe , i cant compare it to gw1 GvG scheme :\

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Or, people could leave the zerg mentality and scout/roam/communicate with their team/server…

low pop servers only have havok squads :P

i cant call 10-15 man a zerg lol…

Basaltface.2786:

Garrisyl.7402:

Yoroiookami.3485:

Why is 80% of anet’s employers working on living story, 15% on gem store and maybe 5% on bug fixes, hud changes, balancing etc. ?

Because you’re wrong when you say you want races, classes, skills etc. What you really want is a fragmented, semi-permanent story with a cringey-akward lesbian love story at it’s center. Oh, and of course gem store weapons and outfits. Because who wants to customize their armor anyways when we can all run around looking the same, like a bunch of stormtroopers.

We just have to accept that Anet know better than their players what the players want. After all they got the almighty statistics.

as for weapons for sure there are more mace wammos than mace guardians, yet anet said there are low mace warriors playing with it (and its one of the strongest meta on warrior funny anet dont know it).

Kungsmurfen.2861:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Why is everyone raging here?! This is a good change. it encourages groups to go scout stuff, and not everyone sticking to 1 commander mindlessly following. You can still do that but don’t complain if they ninja keeps from you…

There’s also always the chat.. you know.. This is an MMO…

First good WvW change I’ve seen in a LONG time!

Heh. I defended fully upgraded bay yesterday for an hour(I was the only one on the map) outnumbered against 6 ppl. Do you really believe most servers will be able to scout the map when we can’t even gather defenders for fully upgraded keeps? Most low pop servers have very few players on at late hours and this will just make it so that the very few defenders we have on at night time will simply see towers flipping without being able to do anything about it.

this will hurt the low pop servers, this cant be done w/o a small merge or something like that, some servers have like 15 players at EB commander another 10 spreaded roamming and 1 or 2 upgrading BL, for like 1h to 3h then bl’s go empty and is at that time that servers use to karma train stuff even with a small team that cannon put sword on stuff it is going to be a flip fest.

P.S can anyone give me the link saying this is going to be introduced or quote some dev?

Tank in advance >:|

shuuuuure ill handle also the gate keys to the enemy, i also leave a note at gate “please keep keys in place for next group attacking tower”.

This do not promote defense, this promotes people stop caring about the game even more.

This do not make sense and i doubt Anet being that bad to adopt this just out of no where.

go thief, get a group of thief also mixtured with a few mesmers.

adozu.6398:

from dulfy report of latest ready up:

“Warrior – Some changes coming to Mace which doesn’t see a lot of use
Crushing Blow – increase vulnerability from 4 to 10 stacks
Tremor – velocity increased by 12%.

excuse me? offhand mace has been THE meta offhand weapon since… forever?

proof the devs don’t really know much about their own product anymore.

funny part is they also play warriors :P

kitten .9460:

Blob vs blob / zerg vs zerg is nothing compared to GvG. GW2 pvp is a joke in comparison, GW1 rolling in its grave right now lmao

^this.

I kinda miss as a monk screamming to team when player decided to get overextended.

Svenghali.4716:

Where do you guys come up with this stuff??

WvW is much different than PvP for starters. I have a 50% win rate on my Offensive Guardian in PvP – we just dont have the base skills as someone pointed out. A guardian in PvP is most likely a bunker for point control.

I have a 80% win rate against all classes in WvW and I run an offensive power build (Not Medi). That is against Gold, Silver and Bronze level players so I am not fighting scrubs all the time.

Guard is the challenging class in the game because it will test your patience with being a support person or test your will with being a damage class.

yet some builds melt bunkers in seconds?
Patience of a Paragon :P.

+1 EU Also on Northern peaksShivers (US).

raids = more blob spam 1 skill content.

Blix.8021:

At least people in this awful gear set will not be rewarded with champ boxes in other world events because they won’t do enough to tag it.

Honestly, the more people who wear this crap, the easier it is for me to tag stuff, so whatever.

That means gw2 design is play zerker or gtfo.

between trinity or this play zerker or gtfo, call de devil and choose the worse.

Guardian master of defense and his blue domes that protect against range auto atack.

Balanced class.

condi bunker engi waterblast with critical? no thank you.

Awwww c’mon , i think it is impossible to get worse than the actual WvW…

Guardian speed boon and staff fury bots, keep momentum now is like free beer, there are other aspects of guardian that need to be fixed.

More karma train buff….

we need an option to lock golem by password, and please no md5.

This genra of GvG is not actually GvG, its more like blob vs blob.

Let them finish the GH and Guild CDI, for sure Anet feels obligated now for introducing the old GvG (gw1) concept.

It’ss their loss if they dont had the gvg gw1 scheme…..

more guardian tool tip balance? :P

Rodrigo.1486:

Reduce the radius affected and don’t allow it to be thrown from behind gates. Done.

^this and reduce the range maybe.

Reigne Irkalla.4768:

So far this is “about a match up” because people are speaking about it in those terms.

Don’t use server names and the thread won’t be closed. It’s that simple.

^this.

F2P = bot invasion