Guild Wars 2

Serbianwolf.1652:

well, if the community cries so much about the same stuff all over again since launch, why don’t they make it happen? What is stopping them?

I’m gonna guess, majority of players not expressing any interest in them?

JustTrogdor.7892:

They have stated they cannot fix it.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Questions-on-Forum-Reorganization/first#post4600233

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/players/Forum-s-search-feature-doesn-t-work-A-tip/first#post4612877

This is very disappointing to hear. They did hire programmers for their website, right? And I would be very interested to hear why it is “impossible.”

Meh, the 450 stuff won’t get you very much experience. Technically speaking, it’s more optimal (experience-wise) to do it that way, but in the long run, it won’t make much difference. You’re going to get the huge majority of your experience from exotic crafting. I typically start with the most valuable items to get more gold back.

Things are different now.. not really less choice, per se. After all, they have been pretty consistently adding new things to do.

When change happens, some people are always going to feel like they’re being “forced” to do one thing or another, because they have an external locus of control. That’s probably the biggest difference between the sides in this debate honestly: nearly everyone in favor of the new systems has responded with “I still do whatever I want to do and enjoy it.”

Coulter.2315:

In order to get that we’d need an expansion imo, which I would be delighted with if we got one. I have to agree this game is BEAUTIFUL and the joy you get from many of the sights makes the game really special – but we need a bigger world and I don’t think we’re going to get it with the LS. I’ve enjoyed the LS but its just no replacement for expansions – remember GW1 had 3(?) by now.

I’m going to keep saying this until it kills me, but there is NO REASON for an expansion in this game. LS in fact CAN do anything an expansion can do, just not all at once, and, get this, you can have it FOR FREE, if you’re just willing to WAIT a little while for all of it.

In addition, preparing an expansion would be a monumental undertaking when all of the company’s internal processes are centered around the current, iterative release model. People often fail to consider just how much time it would take to completely overhaul the inner workings of the studio, just so they can take a year to make something they could have been slowly releasing the whole time.

Good info. I don’t think anybody is going to stop calling it that, though.

Going sideways is advancing, depending on your perspective. Sounds to me like they’re just not advancing in the direction you want.

“Having to due content twice to get rewards for Living Story is just lame!”
On what Earth are there video games that don’t have you repeating things? And are you seriously complaining about optional rewards?

“Charging returning players for Living Story content, bad idea.”
Yeah, if they couldn’t unlock it just by logging in during the story. Otherwise this is nearly identical to the model presented by online TV streaming services, which is a good idea.

“Leveling new characters for experienced players is horrible (dumbed down).”
Not even close to being objective; lots of people rather enjoy it.

1. I recall this being discussed, never promised in any way
2. See #1
3. See #1
4. See #1

Vieux P.1238:

Players are leaving & are leaving for good.

Yes, it’s a shame they can’t ever come back, or their entire family will be killed.

As has been said time and time again, there will always be an optimal style of play, and people will always converge upon it. The different stat combinations exist so you the player can find whatever style of play you like best, but with the caveat that for any given activity, one of them will be the most efficient.

By the way, DPS will always be the most optimal for PvE, regardless of how it is achieved, because maximizing DPS is the way to minimize time spent.

SHM.7628:

Ok, I am now ready for the white knights to trounce me for my point of view.

Way to encourage constructive conversation.

Also, you’re going to have to just accept that the amount of time you’re putting into the game is not sufficient to achieve the goals you have set for yourself. So, you have two options:

1. Play the game more so you can achieve your goals
2. Accept that your goals are unrealistic, and stop wasting time on them

A huge percentage of the problems people have with this game can be traced to the inability to reconcile the things they want vs. the effort they’re willing to put into getting them. Important to keep in mind is that nothing you do in this game matters in reality. Who cares if you never get a legendary? You probably won’t even be talking about this game in 5 years.

I approach GW2 the way I approach life. Possessions are nice, but experiences are the reason to keep going. Just play the game and try to enjoy it, and if you don’t enjoy it, take a break. (I don’t recommend that exact approach for life, but you get what I mean)

Vieux P.1238:

Unfortunately, at this point of the game, Gw2 needs a major overhaul of it’s game format if it wants to keep up &keep it’s player base & get new ones interested. There’s just no buts & why about it. There loosing numbers every month. & in the end, nobody cares about mounts & new weapons skins or even new content if ur character cant get more power. Gw2 lacklusters in the game excitement department… shame!

I disagree. Where are these numbers? People can talk all they want, but if you want to make the claim that an expansion is needed or the game is dead, you better bring some facts. From where I’m standing, everything is going fine, and Anet doesn’t need to reconsider any of their goals. Unfortunately for this discussion, we can’t see their earnings, but taking a look at how the developers and staff that visit the forums are talking, they certainly don’t seem concerned at all.

There’s a viral mindset here on the forums that everything is done for if the vocal minority doesn’t get what they want. I think that sentence itself is sufficient to explain why that mindset is wrong.

I’m of the inclination that they will not, and should not release an expansion. Anything they could introduce with an expansion, they can do with the Living Story, and changing their entire model for releases this late in the game would not only look bad, it would require a huge overhaul of their company processes, significantly detracting from time that could be spent developing new content.

Beldin.5498:

But it works already. Ok 2 Servers … one for US and one for EU ..

That’s not how it works… they still have a lot of servers. They just dynamically create and destroy map instances as players come and go, and don’t restrict players to any particular server.

ImTasty.2163:

It bums me out that Cantha is still on the fence for being brought back in to the game.

I seriously doubt there is even a minute chance of it at this point.

Kanebrake.6192:

I’ve noticed there is a handful of players…. (about 4-5) who do literally nothing but trash talk every single update anet adds to the game.

Worse yet there’s a handful of players who do nothing but excuse Anet’s poor choices and praise them for everything they do.

You imagine there are people like that, but you are mistaken. The majority of people I’ve seen defending Anet’s decisions are in response to absurd demands from the same short-sighted, selfish individuals who are constantly whining and claiming that they alone possess the insight to guide this game to success.

Think about it… why would people jump to defend Anet without cause? I can’t think of any good reason to explain that behavior, whereas it’s very easy to explain the opposite. It’s quite unlikely that there is a group of people who are 100% satisfied with every decision Anet makes; conversely, it makes perfect sense for there to be a group of players who disagree with everything because they think they’re right all the time.

You may have guessed that I am one of the people frequently defending Anet’s decisions on here. That is not to say I do so because I agree with everything they do, but rather, I don’t care enough about the things I disagree with to throw a temper tantrum every time something changes. As long as I’m enjoying the game, I’ll play it, and when I’m not enjoying it, I won’t play it. There is absolutely no need to behave in the way these aforementioned trash talkers do, and god forbid anybody claim that they’re being unreasonable, or refusing to see reality because that would make them wrong, no, that individual that dare challenge even the most ludicrous of dissents is immediately labelled a “white knight” and therefore discredited. It’s no wonder people can’t get along on here.

Astral Projections.7320:

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I think it’s good that they’re providing content for both the casual and more hardcore players with each release. It seems like a pretty good model to me.

slamfunction.7462:

This, i have learned, as the ANet is far, far removed from what their playerbase wants.

People really need to stop using the word “playerbase” to mean “QQ bandwagon on the forums.” The opinions expressed here on the forums are much more often those of hardcore players with ridiculous demands that Anet has no reason to appease at the cost of giving their thriving playerbase more content that the majority of players will enjoy.

Eh. The story is far from stellar, but I mostly just pay attention to the important plot points and get on with it. It doesn’t really bother me anymore. After all, it’s a T-rated game; there’s only so much they can get away with, legality-wise and complexity-wise. And now they have China’s stricter censorship laws to worry about, too.

Also, MMO’s in general suffer from uninteresting story, given that every player is supposed to be the same hero that unites the factions and saves the world.

Anyhow, I tend to just be OK with it.

I strongly doubt there will be any traditional expansion to this game. What can they do with an expansion that they can’t do with the Living World? They can introduce any new content they desire with the current system; it’s just released slowly over time, and you get it for free.

jason.2043:

I had the exact same sense, like the living story team didn’t plan on having a Wintersday patch. Maybe there is some friction between the different teams?

Possibly, but I would imagine they saw it coming for months, and just decided, who actually cares? The last episode will come out next month, and people will play it then, and the only difference is people had to wait a little longer. Not exactly a dealbreaker for most people.

You had access to everything in the game at release with that one-time payment. They continued to give more content for free, which they had no contractual obligation to do, but were expected to do by everybody, because it’s an MMO.

I don’t agree 100% with their decision to make you pay for episodes that you missed, but that’s exactly what online TV services do, so what’s the big deal? You got what you paid for and more.

cheshader.5081:

Forget Crossfire for GW2, the game does make any use of it.

Thanks for the tip! I was debating my next move on the graphics card front, and this will save me from making that mistake.

Lishtenbird.2814:

Hyper Cutter.9376:

You know you can turn that arrow off entirely if you want, right?

Yes, I do. Does it vanish from existence and stops spoonfeeding players if I turn it off?

No, and if that legitimately bothers you, then I suggest you re-examine your priorities in life.

You can play whatever content you want whenever you want and how much or little you want, and you will still progress similarly to other players doing different things. The only reason anybody dares come on here and completely misuse the “play how you want” quote is that they want the rewards more than they want to work for them.

Yeah I think this was just an oversight by them, and it should be pretty trivial to implement, so we’ll probably see it soon.

I’m honestly baffled at how frequently things like this get past their QA department, though… like, this would not fly where I work, and our QA is just two hard-kitten Russian women.

I mean how did nobody ask that question? “Hey uhh, what if they want to look at it more than once a day?”

@Beldin, the fact that you’ve given up on it means it’s not worth your time to do it, and there’s nothing wrong with that. You shouldn’t spend a single second of your free time doing something you don’t want to do. But if you’re just not willing to do it, you shouldn’t really take issue that you won’t get the reward for it.

Seriously? There are people making millions of dollars a year by doing more or less nothing, and you feel this is unfair to the point of complaint? There are thousands of innocent people killed violently every day, and this is the injustice that you just won’t stand for?

Sounds like there’s more problem with you than with the game. If you have an issue deleting excess bloodstone dust, that’s on you. If you’re not having fun, you’re wasting time playing at all, and that’s on you. It’s easy to find things you don’t like with the game if you’re trying to.

America.9437:

Here’s how you get people to experience new things and new places….CREATE NEW THINGS AND NEW PLACES! STOP ALTERING CONTENT AND PASSING IT OFF AS NEW CONTENT. Sometime I feel as if Anet is just rearranging the furniture and calling it a new living room.

Yeah, like that time they re-arranged literally nothing into Dry Top and the Silverwastes, I mean talk about re-using content, amirite?

SHM.7628:

Often times with stupidity like, the daily is optional or so don’t do it. He wants to do it.

You obviously don’t understand the difference between “wanting something” and “wanting something badly enough to actually get it even if you don’t like what you have to do.”

Life is about opportunity costs, and you have to know whether or not something is worth your time. If it’s not worth your time, don’t do it, and don’t kitten about the fact that you’re not doing it.

OK, so it slows down progress. So what? If everything were easier to get, people would run out of content even faster, and there would be even more complaints about lack of content.

Reaven.3958:

Note: Wow, white knights, white knights everywhere. The kind of venom people are throwing around here is the reason why so few players bother with the forums. Please make an attempt at civility if you intend to comment.

Yeah, it’s definitely not you being unreasonably negative about something that’s actually pretty good overall. And gods forbid there are people who disagree with you, the louts! Let’s label them with great prejudice to thoroughly discredit their assertions!

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

We do need more armor and weapons skins that are obtainable through gameplay and not hidden by RNG lock boxes for ticket scraps.

In fairness, you can buy the black lion skins from other players, with money you can obtain from gameplay, and better yet, since you’re buying it, you don’t have to do anything specific to get it. It would be nice to have considerably more in-game skins added, but it’s not terrible now.

As for the rest, I totally agree. People are always coming on here, foil hats at the ready, devising all these reasons why ANet does this or that and how it’s all terrible and the game is doomed. As far as I can see, ANet is doing better than ever, and people are still largely satisfied with the game, forum-outrage-bandwagoners aside.

jason.2043:

They must be so far in the black they are comfortable taking a substantial break with nothing new or exciting.

Or maybe they just want to spend time with their families over the holidays, instead of frantically trying to churn out the last LS episode and respond to inevitable bugs?

In response to the OP, I’ll keep it brief: Living Story is a fine and interesting method of delivering content that, despite vehement dissent from a very vocal minority, has proven quite successful. I don’t foresee ANet moving away from this model for GW2 anytime soon, and I’m perfectly willing to accept that and play whatever they release, as much as I want to and no more.

If you find that there is not enough content in the game for you, you need to take a step back and consider that maybe you’re just playing too much.

It’s almost like the ANet staff are human beings with lives of their own and limited time in which to do things…

Forum-goers are such romantics.

What if, WHAT IF??? What if everything is actually going well at ANet, and you all who come on here day after day to sound the alarm of imminent DOOM are totally mistaken, and too arrogant to see how wrong you are?

What if the reason ANet is ignoring you is because they have a bigger picture than you do, and they can see that everything is fine, and that doing what you suggest would not be the best course of action?

Prophet.6257:

Release a full expansion and you will satisfy a HUGE percentage of the [incredibly SMALL percentage of the] player base [that actually visits the forums].

Fixed that for you.

If you’re actually going to quit, you’ll prove it by giving away all your stuff. Otherwise, quit being such a drama queen and try to enjoy the kitten game.

Or, you know, just stop playing for a while, and come back when/if you want to. And don’t pretend that you not playing makes a difference to anybody.

It would be interesting, although I think part of the reason it’s the same for everybody is so that the people doing the dailies will have a ready supply of players to join up with to complete them. At least, in PvE.

As for the PvP dailies, they could do other interesting things with it, like last night I noticed two of the sPvP dailies were “Guardian Winner” and “Necromancer Winner.” I imagine, then, there were more Guardians and Necros in PvP last night, which mixes up the game a bit from the usual.

Then again, sometimes it doesn’t work so well. Perhaps there is a balance that could be struck between the two?

Figured I would go ahead and get the Wintersday QQ going. So, shall we begin?

“I HATE this update, why didn’t they just go ahead and release the last episode of Living Story?? Hello! This is what the players want! Are you even listening, ANET? Forget your families, my needs are top priority!

Also Living Story sucks anyway, this game desperately needs an expansion, or it’s DONE. Hell, it’s been done since it came out, I’m this close to giving up on it all and never coming back, and I’m not alone, IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT?"

Now it’s your turn!

Really? GW2 players coming onto the forums and kittening when ANYTHING gets changed? You don’t say.

I would go so far as to argue ArenaNet is doing particularly well right now, and the issue here is with the players setting their expectations too high and getting exasperated when they don’t get exactly what they want. The development team is still actively working on improving the game and introducing new content, and there are still healthy numbers of players logging in and doing a variety of content. It may seem on the forums like a lot of players are dissatisfied with the game, but the percentage of a game’s players that ever visit the forums is generally quite small, and GW2 is no exception.

Don’t play a game that you “hate” … why do people do this to themselves? You shouldn’t feel tied to the game at all; this is your LIFE we’re talking about, YOUR free time, and you’re spending it doing something you don’t like, all because, what, you feel like you have to, or you’ll miss something with zero real-world value?

Are you people serious? You’re aware this game is made by people, right? Human beings, who have families, and commitments in their lives that they have to fulfill? Or perhaps you don’t know what that’s like?

Living Story has far from failed. You’ll probably start to notice it if you stop reading all the anti-LS hyperbole on the forums and check out how many people are still actively playing and enjoying this game.

Also, if you aren’t satisfied, don’t feel like you can’t stop playing. There’s no fee; just treat it like any single player game, and don’t spend any more time playing it than you want to. Pick it up again whenever you feel like it.

Filaha.1678:

There’s a difference between “rushing to end game” and “not actively wasting time”.

There’s also a difference between “actively wasting time” and “not playing way too fast.” I’m sick of seeing people on here complaining that there’s not enough content when they’re trying to get 6+ hours of entertainment from it every day. There’s just not enough game to sustain that style of play, and there never will be.

The problem is that these people think they’re obligated to keep playing for whatever reason. There’s no sub; if you’re bored, just stop playing, and come back when you want to play again. And if you never come back, so what?

ildjarn.7321:

I’ve been playing since betas and saw the free fall after first months of release and steady downhill after that.

Community has been very clear: STOP THE GOD kitten LIVING STORY AND GIVE USE THE GOD kitten EXPANSION PACKS. NO MORE STORY CRAP. GIVE US NEW DUNGEONS, NEW ARENAS. GIVE US SOMETHING NEW.

Stop playing around Anet. If you cant afford data analyser here one tip for free: YOU ARE LOSING, PLAYERS ARE QUITTING.

What is Anets recipe for 2 years of steady downhill? More of the same. More of same stuff that makes people quit in first place. Its like you want to kill this game.

I suspect they can afford a data analyzer or two, and what they’re seeing is just not at all what you’re saying. Living Story has been quite successful, especially this season, and frankly, if you still think this game needs an expansion, you couldn’t be more wrong. There’s just no way to justify an expansion at this point. Living Story can do anything an expansion could do for GW2, it just won’t be all at once, and you get it for free.

Searched through the thread and I didn’t see anything, but has anyone else had trouble with Focus 5 not preventing you from losing Aegis? I’ve noticed it several times, and it seems to me that despite having the shield up and blocking attacks, my Aegis buff is removed after the first hit is blocked.

It’s called Guild Wars 2 because it’s the second game in the Guild Wars series. Jesus. That doesn’t require it to be the exact same game. Rather, it kind of requires it not to be.

kitten if you refuse to like the game, go find a game you do like! It’s a lot more fun than complaining about one you don’t like but apparently play enough to complain about it.

I had no real issue with it, and I actually rather enjoyed it until I came on here and saw all of the people complaining about it. Most of the objections I’ve seen appear to be usual QQ / anti-LS bandwagon, though.

But that would remove the rather important option of getting the carapace boxes from repeating the story on different characters.