This is not as easy as you make it out to be at all. I’m sure once solo ratings crystalize this will be next to impossible at busy times of day.
That is true, should be more difficult to achieve at busy times of day and once ratings are there.
theres nothing anet can do about it… in league of legends this doesnt happen because the pool of players is huuuge, here is alot smaller
Actually no, they could do something about it. Delay and mix up players instead of putting players who queue around the same time in at the same time. I would gladly wait a few extra minutes for a true solo queue. This is really bad news. I said they should address this issue as soon as they announced solo queue.
Then why does this say Warrior is strong lol?
Hope maybe? All you have to do to see warrior is not strong for tPvP is look at how many warriors are actually in the tournament that is currently being run.
To those silly people that are making Durp arguments for nerfing food/runes. Think with your brain for one moment. Since those items are used across all classes it would affect them also. SO NO.
Simpler solution as follows:
DM from 33% to 15%
Skull crack from 3 sec to 1 and half with 10 stacks of vulnerability for 10 sec
and HB from 8 sec to 10 sec default (guardian whirling wrath on gs is 10 sec default anyway so it would bring it inline with other heavy gs burst)that would work imo slight nerf..should make that op combo less abusing.
You bads really are funny. lol
The amount of OP claims have possibly surpassed even the old Ele D/D build debate.
They really haven’t. It’s just the same 6-7 players who come into only our forums saying exactly the same thing over and over in every thread. They don’t post it in sPvP or WvW forums because then they can’t use their argument that warriors are just defending an overpowered build and are all bad players looking to hang on to an overpowered build.
There is no compromise needed because the build is fine as is.
You forgot to say its the same 6-7 players who are willing to lay down facts while taking abuse from 100s of biased warriors like yourself. These ARE called Warrior forums after all, are they not?
Except at least two of them are WvW S/D thieves, one who admits he doesn’t know anything about fighting warriors and isn’t very good at the game.
Also, just because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they are biased. As a matter of fact, I would say the warrior community is one of the least biased group of players in any MMO I have ever played.
I hate people who just take posts out of context.
1) I didn’t need to know much about warriors as I killed the vast majority of them. Only after this patch, I struggled a bit but now I know quite a bit about warriors and have been winning.
2) That was a dated post. I don’t spam flanking strike anymore since it’s not as effective anymore since people are learning how to dodge larcenous strike. And it was a roundabout way of saying that I wasn’t as good as jumper. Just saying that at the time, spamming flanking strike was effective…which it’s no longer effective.
If you look at jumper videos, you can see he’s quite good at the game…he’s obviously at a level I will never reach as I’m not a competitive player…I’m quite casual. However, I’m pretty good at the game now and still getting better.
The post where you said you didn’t know anything about warriors was dated as two days before you started crying on our forums. It was already linked multiple times in that big thread.
Obviously you see how much I’ve been posting on the warrior forum. You can accumulate knowledge quite fast if you put your mind towards it.
So in other words, you admit it was your lack of knowledge of the warrior class and not that the build was overpowered all along?
Well obviously knowing what counters the build will help me to beat one, but you can’t deny it’s a very complete package build. I can admit that I still need more time to render a verdict on this build, but I wouldn’t be suprised to see it nerfed with next patch. Look how many complaints from different classes, I would honestly expect to see a nerf on healing signet if nothing else.
Yeah, the whole 6-7 posters that keep spamming in the same threads are some major heat on Anet. Sure it is getting nerfed A.S.A.P. /rolls eyes
Guess what, I use healing surge and regularly spank warriors using healing signet. If it is so powerful, how come they aren’t killing me? I even killed quite a few of them with M/Sh H and LB S/Sh, can you explain why they aren’t face-rolling me? If a warrior you doesn’t even have access to poison can beat them, certainly a class with poison should have no problem.
I never denied that it was a good build. So is M/Sh Hammer and LB S/Sh and M/Sh S/M. While they are decent builds, the best we really have to work with at the moment, we still aren’t tourney material.
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The amount of OP claims have possibly surpassed even the old Ele D/D build debate.
They really haven’t. It’s just the same 6-7 players who come into only our forums saying exactly the same thing over and over in every thread. They don’t post it in sPvP or WvW forums because then they can’t use their argument that warriors are just defending an overpowered build and are all bad players looking to hang on to an overpowered build.
There is no compromise needed because the build is fine as is.
You forgot to say its the same 6-7 players who are willing to lay down facts while taking abuse from 100s of biased warriors like yourself. These ARE called Warrior forums after all, are they not?
Except at least two of them are WvW S/D thieves, one who admits he doesn’t know anything about fighting warriors and isn’t very good at the game.
Also, just because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they are biased. As a matter of fact, I would say the warrior community is one of the least biased group of players in any MMO I have ever played.
I hate people who just take posts out of context.
1) I didn’t need to know much about warriors as I killed the vast majority of them. Only after this patch, I struggled a bit but now I know quite a bit about warriors and have been winning.
2) That was a dated post. I don’t spam flanking strike anymore since it’s not as effective anymore since people are learning how to dodge larcenous strike. And it was a roundabout way of saying that I wasn’t as good as jumper. Just saying that at the time, spamming flanking strike was effective…which it’s no longer effective.
If you look at jumper videos, you can see he’s quite good at the game…he’s obviously at a level I will never reach as I’m not a competitive player…I’m quite casual. However, I’m pretty good at the game now and still getting better.
The post where you said you didn’t know anything about warriors was dated as two days before you started crying on our forums. It was already linked multiple times in that big thread.
Obviously you see how much I’ve been posting on the warrior forum. You can accumulate knowledge quite fast if you put your mind towards it.
So in other words, you admit that all along it was your lack of knowledge of the warrior class and not that the build was overpowered?
Now can you please apologize to our community for spamming our forums for the last few days?
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The amount of OP claims have possibly surpassed even the old Ele D/D build debate.
They really haven’t. It’s just the same 6-7 players who come into only our forums saying exactly the same thing over and over in every thread. They don’t post it in sPvP or WvW forums because then they can’t use their argument that warriors are just defending an overpowered build and are all bad players looking to hang on to an overpowered build.
There is no compromise needed because the build is fine as is.
You forgot to say its the same 6-7 players who are willing to lay down facts while taking abuse from 100s of biased warriors like yourself. These ARE called Warrior forums after all, are they not?
Except at least two of them are WvW S/D thieves, one who admits he doesn’t know anything about fighting warriors and isn’t very good at the game.
Also, just because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they are biased. As a matter of fact, I would say the warrior community is one of the least biased group of players in any MMO I have ever played.
I hate people who just take posts out of context.
1) I didn’t need to know much about warriors as I killed the vast majority of them. Only after this patch, I struggled a bit but now I know quite a bit about warriors and have been winning.
2) That was a dated post. I don’t spam flanking strike anymore since it’s not as effective anymore since people are learning how to dodge larcenous strike. And it was a roundabout way of saying that I wasn’t as good as jumper. Just saying that at the time, spamming flanking strike was effective…which it’s no longer effective.
If you look at jumper videos, you can see he’s quite good at the game…he’s obviously at a level I will never reach as I’m not a competitive player…I’m quite casual. However, I’m pretty good at the game now and still getting better.
The post where you said you didn’t know anything about warriors was dated as two days before you started crying on our forums. It was already linked multiple times in that big thread.
Also, if your 1) is true and you are “winning” against warriors now, why are you still complaining on our forums? Get your story straight.
The amount of OP claims have possibly surpassed even the old Ele D/D build debate.
They really haven’t. It’s just the same 6-7 players who come into only our forums saying exactly the same thing over and over in every thread. They don’t post it in sPvP or WvW forums because then they can’t use their argument that warriors are just defending an overpowered build and are all bad players looking to hang on to an overpowered build.
There is no compromise needed because the build is fine as is.
You forgot to say its the same 6-7 players who are willing to lay down facts while taking abuse from 100s of biased warriors like yourself. These ARE called Warrior forums after all, are they not?
Except at least two of them are WvW S/D thieves, one who admits he doesn’t know anything about fighting warriors and isn’t very good at the game.
Also, just because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they are biased. As a matter of fact, I would say the warrior community is one of the least biased groups of players in any MMO I have ever played.
That’s alright though. Keep thinking we are all just a bunch of “noobs”, or how did you put it, “scrubs”? We are all wrong and the couple of players who got rolled and come to the warrior forums (and only the warrior forums – because they know they will get called out anywhere else and can’t use the “you defend it because you are a warrior routine”) to whine because some warrior stomped them in WvW are right. Yep, that must be it. lol
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What weapon sets was he using?
The amount of OP claims have possibly surpassed even the old Ele D/D build debate.
They really haven’t. It’s just the same 6-7 players who come into only our forums saying exactly the same thing over and over in every thread. They don’t post it in sPvP or WvW forums because then they can’t use their argument that warriors are just defending an overpowered build and are all bad players looking to hang on to an overpowered build.
There is no compromise needed because the build is fine as is.
My score is generally around 150-270 in 5v5 games. I don’t generally care that much about point farming, for instance I generally don’t +1 to a node with someone already capping it with no resistance, instead I go for a different node or reinforce one under attack. I also mostly play on 5v5, sometimes on 3v3 if I can actually find a guild running a server that doesn’t kick or ban me for not being a member. It actually really annoys me that I am more responsible for winning a game in many cases but my score does not reflect that in comparison to players who just farm points. Oh well, at least solo queue is coming, that should be a fun.
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adrenal health
U have a class with 500+ hps BASELINE which can be stacked on top of the regeneration buff. If you don’t think its OP< you are delusional.
Adrenal health is a Trait, which means that it’s not baseline. It’s specced.
And regen is only accessible through 30 points in Tactics AND then running banners, which means we’re a pure bunker build.
Yeah, you DO realize most other facetanking classes can get an effective 500 HP/s without much difficulty, right? Such as Guardian, Ele, Engi? Have you ever seen a spirit range take hits, their staying power is crazy! And while mes and thief dont “take” hits, they do evade them which is still a form of sustain even if it’s not direct healing. I think necro has some sustain issues though but im hardly an expert.
In addition to #6 and Resolve, Guards can go for AH, or healing symbols, have easy access to regen and protection, can get teeny heals on GS swings. Cmon man, dont make me name everything everyone can do to heal/sustain here. The only difference with Warrior is that the heal comes from a single source, signet, instead of being spread around to several smaller sources
Dont believe that? Tough man, the proof is in the pudding.
If Warrior healing and sustain is so OP now, where are the bunker warriors stepping up to replace Guardians in tPvP?Did you just say a Spirit Ranger has staying power?
You realize it doesn’t have Health Regen right?? Spirits take up the slot of Signet of the Wild, and None of them go Natural Healing (30 BM)
That basically leaves the Regen Buff, Which Healing Signet and Adrenal Health will easily outdo alone.
Oh wait, I forgot Spirit Rangers have that awesome Elite ability that you can kill, Its got a nice fat 240 second cooldown though..
It doesn’t really matter whether he was right or wrong about healing on a spirit ranger. They are part of the meta, where as warriors are not. If a spirit ranger comes in here complaining about this build it is pretty lame. He probably confused spirit ranger with BM regen builds.
I used to play A/M H, probably about 6-7 months ago. It was a fun build at the time but with the current state of Axe I don’t think I would use it.
The mace I had taped to my foot helped.
I imagine so!
I managed to kill one of those rangers the other day. Took awhile though, and I wasn’t using the “OP” M+Sh/GS.
You killed a ranger!? It’s OP, nerf time!
The popularity of M/Sh has nothing to do with it being overpowered and everything to do with not having many viable choices left. This has been explained in other threads, you can go read it there. What class are you again?
The lion’s share of the warriors I have seen in pvp/wvw are either GS, Hammer, S/S, longbow. Suddenly, there are all these M/S + GS wars running around. I mean the difference is like night and day… And you’re telling me that everyone played those weaponsets in combo before? Pfft.
I play a thief, if that matters to you. S/D + P/P or S/B.
S/D Thief? This just keeps getting better. lol I am not even going to bother explaining to you why that is so hilarious.
The reason a lot of warriors are using M/Sh is because axe damage was changed and is easy to avoid now, the meta is weak to control, many builds were destroyed by traits being moved up, and it has decent synergy with a lot of our other weapons now. Besides, previous to this patch there were tons of warriors that ran GS A/Sh and I didn’t see people saying that was overpowered simply because it was popular. A build being popular doesn’t mean it is overpowered. If that was the case, just about every viable build for every class would be overpowered.
Skull Crack is telegraphed as hell.
So funny all the warriors trying to convince themselves that some of the changes weren’t over the top. I really feel for you guys – sucks to be on the bottom shelf for so long, but if the above is what you have duped yourself into believing then… lol?
I just hope anet doesn’t nerf you too hard. The zillions of M/S + GS warriors running around is proof enough it’s going to happen though. It makes me want to level my warrior and CC/DPS while regening all my health and running away whenever I like while I still can!
The popularity of M/Sh has nothing to do with it being overpowered and everything to do with not having many viable choices left. This has been explained in other threads, you can go read it there.
What class are you again? Nevermind, just checked your post history. A Thief, really? A good thief is one of the strongest counters to this build, mesmer is the first for obvious reasons. I just find it so hilarious that the bad thieves come in here whining about this build. You are currently a top tier tPvP class and you are complaining about a class STILL on the bottom. You realize that right? It just makes you look silly.
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Skull Crack is telegraphed as hell.
Mace Warrior is suddenly trying to hug your babby hero class, you know that he has full adren, what do you do !?
1. Dodge ?
2. Hold your finger over one of your 99 stun breaker/Invulnerability keys, fully anticipating to get stunned and counter it ?
3. Slowly WALK AWAY from the Warrior while unleashing hell with your superior ranged/knockback arsenal ?
4. Press one of your INSTANT HUGE DISTANCE CREATOR keys ?
5. Randomly use a low CD blinding condition on the Warrior ?
6. Stand still mashing 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 while sitting on full dodge meter, eat the stun and don’t use any stun breakers ? <———————-
I’m sorry, but anticipation doesn’t count to these people. It has to have a super huge red flag that says run away or dodge now for it to be fair, unless you are any other class besides warrior… then it is alright to not have neon telegraph signs.
I am not looking for ways to beat it, I run it. I know what the counters are. I am NOT suggesting adding to the cast time. I AM suggesting that it needs a unique animation.
I’ve landed backbreaker on top 100 players without previous CC 1v1, people make mistakes. The difference is that they had the opportunity to dodge it and didn’t.
There are a ton of abilities in this game that are extremely hard to dodge, almost every ability warrior has is ridiculously telegraphed and super easy to predict. Now that we have an ability you have to anticipate that is harder to see the animation (which in fact we have always had this ability, it is just more popular and lasts a bit longer now) you want to make it like backbreaker? An ability that is pretty laughable and extremely hard to land if they aren’t already under the effects of some other crowd control? Let me guess, you think we should have to sheath weapon to bait them into eventually falling for it? Pull a backbreaker and start the cast and pretend you are turning to run the other way then run back at them to land it? I am sorry, but I am sick of that kind of stuff. Other classes don’t have to do it, why should warrior?
It seems the build has spread so much right after I made this thread https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/In-search-of-the-first-skillful-warrior-I-met/first that now many players think it is op.
Just like The Guy (one of the posters on that thread) stated “seems to have caught on like hotcakes kinda like DD ele back in the day”. I would say during my first encounter with this build against Paundro I found it very challenging to counter until I got more practice with other warriors using the same build and playstyle. I admit it is still a very intimating build if I am caught off guard with my utilities off cd or outnumbered lol.
A lot of warriors were experimenting with different M/Sh builds as soon as the June 25th patch hit. I know I tried S/M, S/Sh, S/A, GS and H. I messed around with builds for about a week before settling on M/Sh GS as my favorite of the bunch. I really wouldn’t give credit for a build being popular to a thread that didn’t even go over two pages. No offense or anything.
The popularity is due to the fact that warriors have got buffs recently which brought back more players to the class, as well as the fact that there really aren’t many viable choices. Moving the adept critical and damage traits to the top of their lines really killed a lot of builds. Don’t even bother mentioning the axe chain damage nerf, since so much of the damage was moved the the third strike making it easy to dodge the majority of the damage. Point is, there are a whole lot of factors that are making M/Sh builds popular, and if you are using M/Sh the logical choice of a secondary weapon is one that gives you mobility and decent damage that can be used during the stun. What are warrior choices for weapons that give mobility? Not many of them. What do we got? GS, Sw, and H (if you count Earthshaker). Sword and Hammer aren’t bad, but GS has better synergy with hoelbrak runes and the might stacking on GS crits, which makes it my preferred choice.
What’s funny is at least on Asura the Skull Crack animation is already different from an auto attack. Auto attacks swing wider from the outside sweeping across the body. Skull Crack is a quicker swing of the mace that starts high and sort of centered, then it swings down quickly and slightly toward the outside.
The issue is Asuras and their tiny animations for everything.
Well, that could be true. My warrior is human and medium sized on the height scale.
- Thief backstab isn’t avoidable, you can predict it and avoid it based on this, but you cannot react to it.
You might have a point there, except that isn’t even close to comparable to skull crack. If I run up to you and swing and you anticipate it and dodge, my cooldown is reset, which means my cooldown was doubled by one dodge. If a thief backstab gets dodged, he can keep spamming until stealth drops and probably still get one off. Even if he doesn’t he can just re-enter stealth and start spamming again if he really wants to.
The funny thing is you don’t really see any complaints anywhere but on our forum. I think they are basically afraid to post it in the PvP forums because they know they will be laughed out. Here they can just be like “kitten u r warz, admit op now lawl” but there they will have the entire PvP community (minus a few that agree with them) laughing at them.
Guess what guys, almost everything that has ever been nerfed in this game has been nerfed for tPvP. Guess what, nobody is using warrior in tPvP, still. The minute this game is balanced around a couple bad players whining on the forums is the minute a lot of people jump ship.
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Respect to OP for admitting this mace/shield war is alittle out of whack atm. Change is required.
I do agree that for a long stun ability we Should be able to see it coming rather than just having to guess when a war is going to use it, and an experienced war is not a predictable one.
I like having victories handed to me I don’t even want you to be able to see the stun coming despite the low cooldown
Is all I see whenever you say anything.
You really just aren’t even worth responding to at this point.
Respect to OP for admitting this mace/shield war is alittle out of whack atm. Change is required.
I do agree that for a long stun ability we Should be able to see it coming rather than just having to guess when a war is going to use it, and an experienced war is not a predictable one.
/rolls eyes
Only respect for warriors that agree with you or cave to the whines. He just said like 4-5 posts ago he doesn’t have any problem killing people using this build. lol
Going to chime in on this as well real quick, If your first answer to someone saying your build is overpowered is to point to another class that is considered vastly overpowered and say “Well they’re overpowered” then guess what, You’re overpowered.
This isn’t about Warriors no longer being free kills as you say, But maybe just maybe, Anet overbuffed certain aspects of your class recently in regards to how powerful it is, Just like the Necro..Which if you think about it, Is quite hilarious since they said themselves it wouldn’t take much to overpower both of those classes….Yet they still managed to do it.
Coming from someone primarily who plays a Ranger..Trust me when I say you mine as well just admit to being OPed and take the lumps, because the nerfs you’ll have coming to you will end up completely decimating your builds.
I’ve had my builds eat it constantly for the past few months…and i’m pretty much expecting to eat it some more next patch.
There are 9 of pages with plenty of info and facts of how this totally have counters, if you are ignoring them is YOUR PROBLEM, and has nothing to do with the warrior class.
I see 9 pages of people pointing out things that might be overpowered, and warriors saying “But THIEEEEEEVVVVEEESSS”
You might not think you’re overpowered, Instead you’ve just drastically gotten better as a player in the past few patches, and it was all because of “skill”
But that still doesn’t mean you won’t get gutted down the line, Just sayin..
If you don’t want to take my warning seriously, that’s your problem.
The only reason thieves were discussed at all is because one of the main complainers was a S/D SB thief who is specialized as a glass cannon and readily admits he has no clue about fighting warriors.
I don’t think I ever saw anyone purposefully avoid skull crack when I was running mace. It’s one of the easiest abilities in the game to land. Subtle animation, extremely fast cast time. I really have to wonder who you guys are fighting where everyone predicts and dodges skullcrack all the time. But hey who knows, maybe you’re all top tier tpvpers.
People do it all the time now that more warriors are running mace. When did you run it and what sets were you using?
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At the moment there’s no dodging skullcrack unless you’re guessing. I’m also not whining about it, I run it in my build.
I wanted to bring up some constructive ideas on the skill, not just moan about it or defend it like an ele or ranger before they got nerfed.
I also didn’t say a more obvious animation, I said it needs an animation that isn’t identical to auto attack. At the moment this is cheesy, I don’t feel like I outplayed anyone by landing skull crack which I do probably 90% of the time I use the skill, and I don’t feel like anyone outplayed me when I don’t land it because their dodge/evade/whatever was just random.
skullcrack isn’t the only offender in a long list of skills that need an actual animation, but it’s the only warrior skill that does.
You can predict when a warrior is about to use it, and know the keep range or use stability, or use an evade, or a dodge, and if you miss all of that and happen to get caught in the stun, you can use one of the many stunbreaks in the game. Some classes can even pop abilities while stunned to reduce or nullify the damage. The build is balanced, you even said so yourself. Stop trying to cave to the whines. They are wrong.
Delete this thread please. You are just giving the 5-6 bad players currently spamming our forums another place to spam.
No good player would EVER get hit by Skull Crack if it had a more obvious animation. It is already easy to predict when it is coming, there doesn’t need to be an animation that makes it worthless.
Also, post in the other whine threads with the other 5 guys who are spamming our forums.
From your post history, it looks like you agree this build is easy to beat and said you regularly kill them with your LB build. This post seems like you are just caving in to the couple posters on this forum and trying to compromise with them. Sorry, but I will not cave to them personally.
The build is fine. You giving them what they want is like a police officer arresting someone for a crime they didn’t commit, the developers acting on it would be like convicting an innocent man and sending him to prison.
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There are way to many players finding this build of war OP ingame and accross the forums, this is equivalent to the number of players who complained about DD bunker eles. It will be seeing a nerf, it’s not the end of the world. At best it gets a longer cooldown or a shorter stun duration which it much requires. Not game breaking for warriors.
I have been playing a M/Sh GS build since shortly after the June 25th patch and have hardly had any players say anything about it being overpowered. What happens more often is I down them and then they come back with utilities that help to counter it. As a matter of fact, my M/Sh H build is what people complained a lot about, and said was the most annoying build they had ever seen. Mostly those complaints were from Necromancers though.
Why don’t you guys tell the truth? This build is strong in 1v1 but by no means is it overpowered. It is alright at small group pvp but the more people there are the worse it gets (just like many other 1v1 builds). You just don’t like the fact that warrior is finally starting to move forward and are afraid of change.
Let’s not forget that there wasn’t a single complaint about this build before the slight buff to warrior heals in the latest patch either. It is much more likely that a few people here saw warrior buffs keep coming every patch (rightfully so) and they are afraid warriors are going to get too strong and are trying to convince developers not to buff them further (for fear of necro syndrome). That little buff to warrior heals did not all the sudden make the build overpowered.
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I find funny how this loosers are ignoring all the constructive post we made to suggest counters and put the facts on the table that this build has counters, then prefer to still crying and not having a mature discussion just claiming things like “its OP” , “thief must be better than a warrior” and a lot of more BS claims, but when the facts are put on the table and try to get a mature discussion this guys just ignore them and keep spaming their BS.
Exactly. They are just spamming that stuff and ignoring the truth because they are hoping their biased arguments fall on the developers ears and they can drown us out. It is the same old nerf tactic that is always used, except worse in this game because they think they can actually get the developers to listen and do a knee-jerk reaction nerf. It’s like the same small group of people in every one of these anti warriors threads by the way.
I will lose all confidence in Anet if they listen to these people and that will probably lead to me and many others quitting this game. Nerfing based on forum complaints is never a good idea. Look at your internal data and see the truth Anet.
“Unlike hammer which has its CC strongly telegraphed allowing for strong counter play using dodge his build has less animation time making the skull crack hard to spot. Also due to the fact that there are 2 ranged blocks on the Mace/Shield weapon set it makes the keeping ranged DPs up hard to sustain.”
My offset is Mace/Shield. And I use it to set up hammer cc.
Which means what?
That if the problem about Mace/shield + GS build is being unreadable because of mace, that is also my problem.
A little common sense is all it takes to read the mace stun is inc. I’m not going to respond to TheGuy. Seems he just loads his posts up full of rambling and nonsense and if anyone doesn’t feel like wading through the drivel and pointing out everything that is wrong, he automatically assumes he is right.
This build is fine, if it was so powerful top tPvP players would be using it and there would be at least one warrior on every team. This build is decent at 1v1 (not the best, that’s for sure) and pretty decent at assisting someone to take down a target in a 2v1. The more players are around the weaker the build gets, and if you were in a 2v1 situation and got killed, that is what is supposed to happen. This build has some serious issues fighting BM rangers, blind and evade thieves, and especially mesmers. This build can also be beat by engies who know what they are doing and minion necros (since we obviously aren’t talking about tPvP balance – if we were this conversation wouldn’t even exist). It is mostly a 1v1 or duelist build, and many classes have those. This build is still at a disadvantage against good players and you want to call it overpowered? Ridiculous.
The stuns last 4 seconds, are instant
Doesn’t seem instant to be honest. I think there is a small hidden cast time because it feels delayed.
I meant the strike is so hard to read compared to other skills, it’s as if it was instant by the receiving side.
Animation may be hard to read but knowing when they are going to use it is super easy to read.
If an enemy reaches you with greatsword, swaps weapons and uses stuns, you can be SURE he won’t be able to 100b you.
Not entirely true. If they are not in combat when they swap from GS to mace, they can swap right away. You can swap in the middle of the animation before you hit your target, stun, then swap back. Take timing but it can be done.
Yes, you can do that, but most players will not or can not. It generally isn’t worth the risk to do it imo. Considering if they move in a way you don’t anticipate and cause you to mistime it, you now can’t switch for 5 seconds.
You can also play like the majority of rangers who want to be good at 1v1 combat and use a BM spec, generally with regeneration runes. Although, I am fairly certain I could beat M/Sh GS with a LB/GS build, even if at a disadvantage (since the majority of players are really bad). Although, if fighting someone really good, your best bet is probably BM. I haven’t played Ranger much recently though.
The stuns last 4 seconds, are instant
Doesn’t seem instant to be honest. I think there is a small hidden cast time because it feels delayed.
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You are wrong, TheGuy. You are just another one of the few that have been spamming our forums for the last few days. Even dodge is a hard counter to this build, and if you got vigor you got dodges to spare! All you have to do is avoid skull crack, and even if you happen to eat one, there are stun breaks and stability. This isn’t even counting blocks, aegis, knock backs, knock downs, cripples, chills or even protection. Also, unless you are glass, even if you do happen to get caught in a skull crack and eat a full HB, it isn’t going to hurt that bad. Especially if the war is using soldiers like they should be in this build. If not, they are going to be pretty squishy.
What I really do not get is why is the community that has always been number one at really getting class balance so blind right now? Do you really want your easy wins that bad? Then you should have gone over to thief months ago.
Where are all those pro M/Sh GS warriors in the tournament? Don’t see any huh? Hmm. They got to be there, so overpowered and all right? The only blind one here is you. You play these other classes and think that gives you some superior perspective to all of us when in reality all it has done to you in make you not look at things objectively. This is nothing more than a nerf witch hunt. I know exactly why you want it nerfed too. You don’t want to be forced into using stunbreaks and timing your dodges better. You want to continue using your “pew pew” builds and pretending the game never changes.
Who’s been posting on these forums longer, me or you?
oh and
http://intothemists.com/articles/spvp/tournament-comp-roles-guide/Wait, next you will say that itm isn’t a good site for gw2 pvp huh?
What do you think that proves? Whether a guide says it is alright or not, nobody who is trying to win the current tournament is running warrior last I checked. lol
I have been on these forums and other forums (such as GW2guru forums) since release, may want to try a little harder. I also exclusively played warrior in beta and have mostly played warrior and thief since release. You still didn’t post what I asked for, probably because it will show the truth.
Has anyone else noticed it is the same 5 guys in every one of these warrior nerf threads? So ridiculous.
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You are wrong, TheGuy. You are just another one of the few that have been spamming our forums for the last few days. Even dodge is a hard counter to this build, and if you got vigor you got dodges to spare! All you have to do is avoid skull crack, and even if you happen to eat one, there are stun breaks and stability. This isn’t even counting blocks, aegis, knock backs, knock downs, cripples, chills or even protection. Also, unless you are glass, even if you do happen to get caught in a skull crack and eat a full HB, it isn’t going to hurt that bad. Especially if the war is using soldiers like they should be in this build. If not, they are going to be pretty squishy.
What I really do not get is why is the community that has always been number one at really getting class balance so blind right now? Do you really want your easy wins that bad? Then you should have gone over to thief months ago.
Where are all those pro M/Sh GS warriors in the tournament? Don’t see any huh? Hmm. They got to be there, so overpowered and all right? The only blind one here is you. You play these other classes and think that gives you some superior perspective to all of us when in reality all it has done to you in make you not look at things objectively. This is nothing more than a nerf witch hunt. I know exactly why you want it nerfed too. You don’t want to be forced into using stunbreaks and timing your dodges better. You want to continue using your “pew pew” builds and pretending the game never changes.
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Post your sPvP class breakdown screen with you saying my name in chat and your character name visible in the chat log.
People here need to stop feeding the trolls, and have an actual discussion. You have people that play warriors, and they are pointing out that there are broken parts of these builds that will lead to us getting nerfed. Instead of denying that, instead a conversation on how to fix it before Anet does should get started. If we’ve learned anything from the past it’s that Anet’s idea of fixing a class is usually burning it to the ground.
A thread like that was started on the necromancer forums, and Anet is actually watching it and somewhat interacting. Hopefully we can get one like that started here.
You don’t play warrior. A warrior was your first 80 (10 months ago), then you moved on to bigger and better things. Your recent post history implies that your main is actually a Guardian. Stop trying to act as if you are one of us and you are simply here because you feel that you are playing an overpowered class and admit that a warrior outplayed you and you want them nerfed for it. No true warrior is going to say we are overpowered because we aren’t. As a matter of fact, no real PvP player is going to say that either, only people who got rolled because they don’t play correctly.
Sadly after reading almost all of this thread in one sitting I only have a few things to say.
I beat skull crack builds on my ranger with only 1 stun breaker and no stability. Learn to dodge.
Excalibur the fact that you are defending yourself with no foundation except your “own little world ideas” for at least a day is pretty sad. If you are truly as good as you say and warriors are truly OP as you say… why not prove everyone wrong without typing? Make a video in heart of the mists or level one up like you said and prove it. Anet will like to see and so will all these people “defending an OP build”.
Its been said too many times but I’ll say it again. Learn to Play.
The dynamics in sPvP is completely different and leans heavily on condi spam right now. This type of spec thrives in WvW.
I already said if this spec remains untouched I’ll be leveling my warrior to 80 and I’ll make some roaming videos. Not now, because next patch brings the account wallet which will make things easier.
Well, for one, it is fine in WvW. Everyone has access to the same gear. Everyone has access to the same foods. We already know you are a WvW roamer who plays S/D thief, the fact that are calling for warriors nerfs in a way that would specifically benefit you is pretty funny. Post your build, we will help you out.
Don’t forget this one from only 2 days ago.
It’s true.
Not only do they make excellent commanders, they are also one of the most common roamers I see these days. In fact, I see warriors just as often or even more often than thieves now. I’m on TC facing SoR and BG and apparently I guess SoR and BG have a ton of warrior roamers.
Warriors are really annoying for me to deal with as I’m using S/D and I guess I have some trouble dealing with them since I’m not really used to facing warrior but I think my main problem is trying to hit them while they have endure pain up. So apparently, that is a stance.
So does a stance count as a boon or what? Can you strip it with larcenous strike? Is there a visual indicator for a stance? Sorry haven’t played a warrior, and I really lack experience dealing with warriors solo…
Does anyone have tips for dealing with warriors in general or specific tips for when using S/D + shortbow?
Note: most of them also run 2 stuns which can be used in quick succession whereas I only have 1 stunbreaker and they typically use melandru runes + lemongrass + dogged march.
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So you are saying the build has counters????
Oh god, it’s delicious. Omnomnomnomnom.
That is hilarious. lol
All the fuzz about healing signet.. it’s fine, because it has a weakness. The good thing is you get the highest sustained healing. That is also the weakness: burst. It’s like fighting a good ele. You exchange some blows, get m a bit low, he uses water form to heal back up completely (burst healing for WAY more then any warrior ever could), wait for the swap to the next attunement, and THEN burst him down.
Also, out of all healing skills a warrior has, signet is the weakest to long duration poison.
bunker eles can’t 100B for up to 7-8k in sPvP… I think that’s where the issue is… the warrior still does a ton of dmg while surviving as if he was using a bunker build
Err Ele was known for being able to bunker and still have decent DPS. Warrior also doesn’t have the ability to bunker on that level.
I thought you didn’t like arguing?
Also, the fact that in less than a day this thread has grown to 5 pages and the sheer diligence in some posters to throw down insults left and right in order to back up their claim kinda hits at the fact that underneath all this charade, everyone knows this build is OP and will get nerfed. People just want to ride the OP train for as long as it last because as some brainless CoF camper put it, its about time for also warriors to be OP.
Wrong. This thread is long because warrior players are angry you bad players come in here saying this kind of nonsense and we argue valid reasons as to why you are wrong (and even tell you how to beat it, as if it isn’t obvious anyway) but you people keep repeating the same lines over and over.
Why shouldn’t it be on a passive signet, on a melee class who has been considered to have horrible sustain since the game released? It only makes sense that the class most susceptible to being in the middle of the AoE would have better sustain than people who can stand outside and lob them at crowds.
Let’s not even forget that MOST warriors are still using Surge from what I have seen, myself included. I tried out Healing Signet and it just wasn’t as good as Surge in most situations.
I’m so done here. Sick of arguing with bad players on these forums. They got used to warrior being an easy kill for a good player and want that free kill back. Truth is, warrior still needs more buffs to be competitive. I am going to actually go play the game instead of arguing with people who will only ever see it their way thanks to bias.
Because a thief should be overwhelmingly better than warrior 1v1, not struggle at all. Warrior is already one of the best at PvE, ZvZ, GvG (where the thief sucks), it stands to reason the thief should crush the warrior no questions asked.
You can’t be serious. See, this is why I said your opinion isn’t valid. That post you made a few days ago that I posted above, and now a comment like this. Thief doesn’t mean free pass to walk all over warrior. You still have major advantages vs warrior if you actually trait properly, in all honesty warrior should still be slightly buffed vs thief.
A roaming class should absolutely have the advantage over warrior… warrior is already good in PvE, ZvZ, GvG, it’s not fair that it’s good at everything at once.
Warrior is also a roaming class. Everyone actually see that qq bc u can’t free kill warriors anymore. Who said that warrior should sux in 1v1? Oh well..a mad 2222 thief.
The Only free kill warriors I’ve met are the bad ones, those are the free kill warriors. Good ones are the ones that give you a run for your money and make you panic.
You don’t think warriors make sacrifices? lol
What class do you play?
I’ll answer your question when you answer mine.
List these mysterious “many” classes with access to high uptime protection.
Having Healing Signet actually really blows when you get poisoned.
Most heals blow when they have their values reduced 33%…
Yes, but when you have a burst heal, you can pop it between poison applications or after cleansing it off of you. Think outside the box. Healing Signet is also very susceptible to spike damage and in my opinion practically worthless in a group fight. I wouldn’t even use it for a 1v1 personally, but I am still not going to let you people who think you should be able to walk all over warriors come in here and complain about things that are just fine. You got outplayed buddy, deal with it.
As for the rest of your post, look it up yourself.
If you’re using healing signet by itself then yes, but if you’re also taking in Adren health it’s quite powerful. Though accounting spike damage Warriors have a high health pull where they can eat a chunk of it. Then ofc they have great moblity if you manage to live through it, in which you can just escape.
/rolls eyes
I am obviously accounting for Adrenal Health since 90% of warriors have to get it in order to get Cleansing Ire. So annoyed with these threads by horrible players who want warrior to be a free kill. Warrior still isn’t competitive, look at the tournament for evidence.
In any case, that’s not really the point of this thread, I really dislike getting into arguments over what’s OP and what’s not.
Advice: If you say something is overpowered or too strong, people are going to argue back their points. Especially with the way the warrior forums have been the last couple days with bad players coming in here saying warriors need a nerf etc.