Guild Wars 2

Jormunaattori.2364:

Zalavaaris.5329:

That’s gotta be a bug… no way that would do that on purpose without knowing there would be a riot lol

Doesn’t look like many care. :P

Makes it far less likely that I’ll craft it, tbh. The whole point, for me, is to have the ability shift builds easily. The ability to swap stats alone isn’t enough to justify the cost for me.

I wouldn’t riot, of course, but I won’t be putting resources into that particular gold sink till it changes either.

Could be a bunch of ways, but my bet is a port stun break (trait or shadowstep), or BD, then clears in stealth. You can see how he kept his stealth up by the red circles on the ground.

Otherwise, man, you should seriously work on your chill. Based on the whispers you had going with him, you’ll have a stroke before long. If someone’s giving you static, just mock him. If you’re better than he is, beat him first, then the lesson you’re teaching him is even stronger.

Also, the build you’re playing is, for sure, one of the reasons for the nerf to Primal Burst in regards to traits like AH. It was waaaay too tuned up with all of the easy sustain and clear, combined with the blocks, cc, and condi output. As I’ve noted elsewhere, they’ll probably buff the Berserker a bit later, but hopefully not the build you’re running.

Eater of Peeps.9062:

Choppy.4183:

Eater of Peeps.9062:

False. I have always wanted to play in squads and always have played in squads (never havoc/solo roam) and have always been invited/allowed until just recently. Remember the squad function is relatively new to wvw and the kick/closed function even newer Also, I do not care about the loot at all. I play cuz I love it (altho it appears to be a primary motivator for OP – and what’s wrong with that? Everyone likes their shinies!)..

So why do all of the commanders on your sever suddenly not want you in their squads anymore?

I don’t know, why?

That’s something for you to figure out. If you were able to get in squads before, and now nobody wants you in theirs, then you should find out why instead of calling on Anet to make people play with you.

Afaik, none of the commanders you’re talking about have posted their points of view on this. But, based on things you’ve said “they don’t like me”, you “have always been invited/allowed until just recently”, plus your general attitude on this forum, I’d imagine you’ve been a bit of a kitten in those squads and so now people don’t want to play with you.

Put another way, you’ve provided enough evidence here to suggest that, perhaps, you’ve been impacting on other peoples’ enjoyment of the game and so now they don’t want you in their squads. That’s not bullying, that’s consequence and personal accountability.

I think most of the negativity comes from people who are generally opposed to change, like those vets who still pine for Quaggan Lake and raged when it was removed, who lose their minds whenever a patch weakens a build they’ve been using for a while, etc.

It’s actually undermined a particular edge I’d cultivated in game (knowing the map well and losing/killing multiple pursuers off of cliffs by catching ledges, etc.), but I have no problem with it staying even though I don’t have any interest in it personally.

As others have said, it needs more work to deal with some of the abuses that are currently possible, but Anet’s already working on that. Games become stale if they never change, and a lot of people have been asking for gliding in wvw since HoT launched. Anet’s doing it well.

^^ I agree with Manijin. There’s bound to be additional balancing down the road as Anet sees how everything plays out in the different game modes, but I don’t think this was a targeted “Berserker is OP compared to everything else, so it must be nerfed accordingly” sort of thing.

Leo G.4501:

To achieve parity, I could definitely see Berserk mode F2 applying 2 stacks since once you use it, using the Primal Burst gives 1 stack and bottoms out your adrenaline. I could also see changes made to put more emphasis on Berserk Mode itself to hammer home its gimmick. Giving more bonuses while in Berserk mode (choosing which bonuses via the traits) seems like it’s the right thing to do to separate each spec.

Yeah, I see any of those as possible paths for a likely fix. I predict that they will emphasize Berserk Mode, and that they’ll give it a little love as time goes on so that people see a reason to use it again.

I read it to mean that the 5s cd is only on the main hand dagger effect. The offhand healing is all the time, but based on crits.

Eater of Peeps.9062:

False. I have always wanted to play in squads and always have played in squads (never havoc/solo roam) and have always been invited/allowed until just recently. Remember the squad function is relatively new to wvw and the kick/closed function even newer Also, I do not care about the loot at all. I play cuz I love it (altho it appears to be a primary motivator for OP – and what’s wrong with that? Everyone likes their shinies!)..

So why do all of the commanders on your sever suddenly not want you in their squads anymore?

Mikeskies.1536:

That’s good, but I think 10 seconds may still be too short. Only testing will tell.

It would go like this:

1. Charge up 20 adren
2. Burst
3. Counter the very next hit
4. Burst as soon as you have another 10 adren (because the Burst CD is refreshed by the Counter)

It could all happen within the course of a couple of seconds from the first burst, seeing as even just swapping weapons (if you have Disc) will take you half way to the third burst.

And you can just keep doing that over and over, adding new stacks with each Burst and/or Counter.

My name is Curt.2364:

The root would actually be applied as soon as you press F1, not with the first hit.
What I’m saying is that you can’t get bonuses for only ROOTING the target anymore, but instead have to deal damage with the skill chain to benefit from burst related traits.

Huh… I was always under the impression that the first hit is what applies the the root, hence why things like Aegis prevent the root (and the first hit). My bigger issue has been that it seems I often get a skill delay of up to a couple of seconds after cancelling Flurry, which has caused problems in the past.

That said, I didn’t see anything in the last patch notes about Flurry. Are you saying it’s a stealth nerf that went in?

My name is Curt.2364:

@Choppy " You can no longer benefit from traits that support landing a burst skill by rooting a target with the sword f1 and stowing to set up damage. However, you can land one hit with the flurry itself to get the trait procs, but it makes setting up damage a whole lot slower. "

I’m still not following. Aren’t these two statements contradictory?

“You can no longer benefit from traits that support landing a burst skill by rooting a target with the sword f1 and stowing "

“you can land one hit with the flurry itself to get the trait procs,”

The immob has always been applied with the first Flurry hit, afaik. I’ve not noticed a difference while playing sword, but then I find I have pretty much permanent uptime of BP (and AH) while in a fight anyway, so not sure that I’d notice.

Sorry, but what changed about Flurry?

Mikeskies.1536:

But you realize, they changed Berserkers Power to accommodate Spellbreaker, but then made it impossible for Spellbreaker and Berserker to maintain 3 stacks of Berserkrs Power. Cooldowns on burst skills make it impossible when the duration of berserkers power is only 10 seconds.

It remains to be seen, but I don’t think Spellbreaker will have much difficulty maintaining 3 stacks of BP due to the minor trait Attacker’s Insight. Especially so if Counters end up counting as a burst as far as BP, AH, and CI go.

babazhook.6805:

I am on HOD. I just created that Warrior from scratch as I rather like how my others play in current gear and setup.

Boo. We were just matched up until yesterday. It would have been good to get a few fights in to test the limits of the build.

I tried running Might Makes Right yesterday on a couple different might-centric builds, and I found it still didn’t measure up to Berserker’s Power. So I’m sticking with that.

What’s your build (or build objectives)? Rune choice is largely based on that.

babazhook.6805:

I want Vuln stacking. My crit rate is already peaks t 90 percent and can hold there. Even if it drops without Fury I am gaining little with those indicated traits. The Combo of The GS attacks and the new Rending strikes stacks lots of Vuln which increases damage.

Same thing with Burst precision. Why do I need an increased 10 percent chance on my burst? I am already very high with crit chance. The Furious gives me Adrenaline on every hit. if I am cleaving Muliple foes my adrenaline fills fast.

if you look at base build my precison at 73 percent. I kick in the elite for fury and it runs at 93 percent. Now Fury will certainly dop off and have downtime but i can handle those gaps and even at lowest 73 percent is decent enough.

Right, because Deep Strikes and Rending Strikes are in reverse slots between the game and the editor.

Which server are you on?

Why the condition traits in Arms instead of Unsuspecting Foe and Burst Precision?

Best thing to do is to join a guild with a healthy wvw base and follow them around for a bit, take their advice, etc. Alternatively, find one or two people who are willing to take you under their wing to show you the ropes.

The safest place is in a large group following a tag. You could learn to roam around solo or with a friend, but it’s a much steeper learning curve.

As noted, your gear is one of the things that betrayed you. You get leveled up, but you don’t have three stats on your armour at that point. You also don’t have the benefit of full traits, and it takes some time to transition from fighting bots to fighting actual people.

If you don’t find people to show you the ropes, then I’d recommend sticking with leveling in pve until you have all the traits and gear you need, and work on your fighting chops in pvp as well. It might be less frustrating anyway.

Strider Pj.2193:

Again, they noted people repeating the diamond chests were getting tickets which was the bug. Not the Pips.

The diamond chest is to be repeatable. It is the rewards IN the chest that vary in the repeat.

No tickets are being given now in the repeatable chests, but Pips were intended to be given as a way to continue to allow the chests without the tickets (and the coins btw) to repeat.

Sorry, that’s what I meant. I realized earlier tonight that I’d started referring to the tickets as pips for some reason.

Davin.3569:

So, pls, can you show me your power sword build? ty

Sure, this is what I’ve been roaming with lately. It’s had various incarnations, but here’s where it’s at now.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAR8ejMdQXIWFCmdAnIGICK8EehVQ/ipfKsAICGAA-TFCEABxs/AEXAgHOCAtpbAgHAQiq/slSQmU+FAAB4m3Mb2mBn38m38m38czbezbezbWKgAXGB-w

I was using Strength runes but switched to Hoelbrak a couple of weeks ago. The missing sigil is whatever… I’ve got Fire in there now as a hold over from a long time ago. It’s not bad for showing me where stealthed players are.

GS is the main damage dealer, and the alt set is a decent set up through cancelling Flurry or Shield Bash. Final Thrust is no slouch, especially if you’re carrying 25 might after swapping from gs.

I’ve tried some of the other traits, like the new Might Makes Right trait, and I’ve also swapped in traited axe instead of sword, but I’m getting better results roaming with the above.

Strider Pj.2193:

I don’t think it mentioned the Pips would change. Diamond was always repeatable.

The bug fix related to people continuing to get skirmish tickets in the repeatable chests which was unintended.

Pip acquisition should continue regardless of what chest or how many repeats.

Those are the pips I, and I think the others, were talking about. The ones you can get now by repeating the Diamond tier after the first run.

They haven’t said so, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Anet claws those back from any who’ve benefited while they work out a fix.

Solstace.2514:

It’s a shame that berserker was gutted. I can understand the nerf to endure pain, but the adrenal healing nerf just killed any sustain. Plus it cheats you out of 2 bars as you need a full 3 to get into zerker mode but only get credit for one on healing. Add that to the fact that adrenal skills are incredibly slow and telegraphed and the build is basically dead.

It’s funny how other players say that now it will require skill and talent to play warrior and that these nerfs were needed, but yet they play classes with tons of passive boons or low risk and high yield skills.

It’s relatively solvable though, and Anet may well adjust once done playtime has passed.

I’ve proposed giving credit for a three bar burst upon entering Berserk mode (so a free and full AH and any other burst related traits). Others have proposed the first burst while in Berserk mode count as three stages.

Both of these would enable the change Anet wanted, create a reason to enter Berserk mode, but also deal with some of the excessively easy sustain that too many warriors crutch on.

Other changes could include undoing the previous changes to Headbutt, Arc Divider and Smash Brawler, and adjusting damage, cd, and/or range instead so that Berserker is more fluid but some of the OPness of those skills is still addressed.

They just did massive changes across the game. There’s always subsequent balancing after the dust settles.

Nyx.6532:

Jeknar.6184:

You keep receiving pips after you complete diamond because it is repeatable. And they add to the count.

from what i understood this is a bug that will be fixed.
was noted by a CM in an earlier thread ^^

And they might strip the extra pips once they patch the bug. They haven’t said so, but maybe don’t play any extra for these pips than you would otherwise in case they do.

Keviin Snow.5760:

i was in wvw today , someone / guild telling a player he or she is stupid , she should not play wvw , go back to pve ,so I step in , I told them , u did’t pay for her game , u got no right to tell her what she can or cant do , I have seen too much cyber bullying , ended up suicide , , so he got the guild to harass me by trying to stand up for someone he is picking on telling her she should deleted this game. you cant play bah bah bah , that is just mean and cyber bullying , I did not know that happen in gw2 ,
after that they follow me around , harass me , call me all kina names
for trying to stand up for someone they harass , they were discriminating , using racial slur , which I cant use here , and they told me its freedom of speech , and if u don’t like what they said , use the filler

That’s a violation of the game’s code of conduct. The issue raised by the OP is not. It’s pretty straightforward.

Cross.3482:

what’s even funnier is you completely ignore the valid points these people point out and just go back to your basic “ugh, people complain and kitten.. get on my level and adapt”. many have said pPS was already in a kitten spot and nerfing it even more was uncalled for. people complaining over these nerf doesnt make it less true.

the only reason for the BP change is because of the #sellbreakers new adrenaline kitten and everybody knows it, anet is just a bunch of wusses who cant even say it to our faces.

I haven’t told anyone to “get on my level”, and I don’t see much in the way of valid points here either. People aren’t able to play the same way they’ve gotten used to and get the same results, so they’re losing their marbles over it.

Nerfs are rarely fun, but this emo kid doom and gloom shtick every time they happen (to every class) shows a serious lack of perspective.

As for your belief in a conspiracy to nerf warrior to sell the expansion, it’s not Anet’s style. You see, what they did with HoT was make the new specs super broken so people would feel especially motivated to buy them. Doing it before people have a channel for their outsized rage just doesn’t make sense.

Naw, this looks more like the June 2015 patch when everything was re-adjusted to accommodate the new spec mechanics in anticipation of HoT. People whined then too, some cheered, and then most people remembered they were playing a video game,gained a little perspective, and got back to having fun.

Has to be a troll thread. Has to be….

Sartharina.3542:

You know how people "Adapted’ after the last patch? We switched to Cancer Condi, or tried to salvage the fun we originally had with Power Berzerker, in the hope that this time around we’d get Power Warrior back.

The only time berzerker was in a “Worse Spot” (Allegedly) was early in Heart of Thorn’s PvP, when we had far more deadly and fun Primal Burst skills (Decapitate, Arc Divider, and Gunflame were all stronger), but insufficient sustain to contribute competitively.

I really wish the developers would stop taking fun things away, especially when it’s generally underperforming anyway.

And what’s this nonsense about Berzerkers being OP in WvW? Druids, Engis, and thieves all were better roamers, and Guardians, Elementalists, and Necromancers outshined Warriors in larger fights, while Mesmers provided insane utility (And roaming power with GS). Then again, it seems any time Warrior is strong enough to provide a real role and hold its own, players of other classes perceive it as OP because Warriors aren’t merely the stock disposable redshirt footmen everyone fighting them wants them to be.

The funny thing is, you can go to pretty much every subforum right now and find posts just like yours about different classes.

Within hours of a major, across the game balance patch (complete with new traits) people were already complaining about the death of their class.

The dust hasn’t even settled yet.

Honestly, you’re just going to have to suck it up, buttercup. They’re apparently not harassing you, they just don’t want to play with you for one or more reasons (you’ve named a few).

You have the power to solve your own problem here, you’re just choosing not to and demanding Anet do it for you. They aren’t going to, so you may as well.

Sometimes people won’t want to play with you. You’ll either have to adapt or find a friendlier bunch of people to play with.

It’s really not an Anet problem.

CrashTheGrey.1492:

This thread is almost at 6000 views with zero input from dev’s with so many people saying the exact same things…..

Solid communication ArenaNet.

Because every time there are nerfs to warrior people seem to lose their minds, writing posts that alternate between outsized declarations of outrage and self-pity.

Like after the last patch, people learned to adapt. It’s not that bad, and warrior has been in worse shape before. Anet will eventually buff some stuff, and people will find a way to complain about that too.

That’s why they don’t bother to comment on these threads. They know that it’ll only magnify the scale of the already enormous lack of perspective and emotional maturity that lives here.

What are you taking about? I’ve been running power sword for two years and don’t even use Arms. Your better off with Strength if you want damage.

If you were using low precision gear and then boosting your crit chance with Arms, feel free to keep Arms, swap in higher precision gear and welcome to a mountain of ferocity to go with your power build.

You can run a hybrid build, but you’re probably better off with carrion gear or something than the mix you’re running. It gives you two primary damaging attributes for your hybrid, plus some vitality since you’re feeling vulnerable.

That said, even with your gear, try running def-disc-berserker s+sh/m+t. It’ll give you block/reflect on both sets, decent mobility, good cc, decent sustain (less now than before), etc. Your primary weapon sets can be used for both power and condi, though the only condi mace does is the berserker burst (but it’s strong).

Apolo.5942:

Its mathematically impossible.
You are not factoring in that even if you assume 100% full rage up time AND 100% hits (0 misses) on burst skills, you skill have to account for primal bursts own CD.

You can burst once at 0 secs into Berserker State, Swap and (with Burst Mastery traited), burst again at about the 1s mark (before a HB stun is even over), and then burst again 4-5s later.

It’s not especially easy, but it’s not that hard either. It’s certainly not “mathematically impossible”. There’s some give in there too.

Now, most Berserkers in wvw/pvp haven’t been running Strength anyway. So if you’re doing this in pve, what’s preventing you from landing your bursts?

Juba.8406:

lol

You don’t need to use Bull’s Charge for just the CC.

You use it to KILL xD, It hits for Almost 6k damage now.

I got an 8.4k against a tower lord, but then I’ve also managed a 50k hundred blades on them before once they’re stacked with vulnerability and and I’m stacked up with might. Those guys think they’re too tough for toughness.

Bull’s Charge is also a better escape tool now.

I don’t find it that much more difficult to fight against though. While it’s true that other defenses don’t work against it, I tend to use dodges to avoid those skills anyway. Seems like a lower level issue, but if it becomes a problem, adding some sort of visual identifier would be an easy fix.

Some of the people I was running with yesterday and I kept experiencing weird stuttery lag, even in small fights (I had it happen during a duel). Part of it seemed to cause people and effects (that were hitting me) not be visible, which was tough. As lag does, it also put me a few seconds behind the fight and made it near impossible to hit anything when it happened.

I also get the sense that the patch caused a number of things to break and other unintended consequences that will probably be patched over the next while as they’re discovered. Things like skills that don’t behave the way they’re supposed to and ways to break the (wvw) map.

In terms of the axe warrior, I tried it for a while and found I wrecked a lot of face with it, provided I didn’t get the laggy thing. It’ll take some time to understand the changes to the other classes so I can better counter them though.

Sartharina.3542:

How the hell are you maintaining 20% BP? As a core warrior, 30 Adrenaline comes to slow and the cooldowns are too long. As a Berzerker, the cooldowns are STILL too long, and you have to earn 30 to spend 10.

Because I hit lots of people, I swap weapons for more adren, and I keep bursting them. I don’t find it that difficult. Traiting Cleansing Ire, or especially the now more accessible Axe Mastery trait, would make it easier still.

Fwiw, I roam vanilla in wvw, which is often a pretty rich target. I don’t find it hard to land a burst at least once every 10s.

Mikeskies.1536:

I just made a post about this, but want to bring the issue to light here. Berserker’s Power does not refresh the duration of the previous stack, meaning it’s impossible to maintain 3 stacks of Berserker’s Power as a Berserker. On average, you get 2 stacks, which results in a 6% damage nerf.

It’s not impossible, it’s just difficult.

I have a pretty might-centric build, but I didn’t even trait it simply because the 20% damage from BP is a lot to give up for so little health and endurance. I just cant see the trade off being worth it… maybe for a condi ps build?

Mikeskies.1536:

You will have to do a Level 3 Adrenaline Burst, then get max Adrenaline again to enter Berserk Mode. I think this change is really stupid, because the entire premise of entering into Berserk Mode was that Primal Elites were Level 3 Bursts for only 10 Adrenaline. .

I think you misunderstood. I was proposing a buff in light of this recent nerf. One that isn’t OP, preserves what I think Anet wanted to achieve with the nerf, and is still in line with the Berserker concept.

Again, I’m saying allowing those traits to proc just for entering Berserker mode would be a decent modification to what they did today.

Sartharina.3542:

I wouldn’t have minded the change if the first burst landed by a berzerker still gave the 3 stacks…

That’s a fair point, considering the warrior needs to generate three stacks to enter the mode.

So, given that, it seems reasonable to allow full procs of traits like BP and AH (if traited) just for entering primal state. I don’t think it would be unbalanced, and it would be a nice perk in keeping with the flavor of the elite.

It’d probably be fine if they rolled back the nerfs from the previous patch though. Then other elites should get similar treatment to normalize across builds.

Loosmaster.8263:

I highly doubt they will allow Ascended weapons to be upgraded to Legendary due to the heavy investment in crafting them.

The original question got cut out through replies. What I was wondering was whether or not Anet would make the ascended Mistforged weapons upgradable to Legendary in the same way they’re making the ascended Mistforged and Hero armours upgradable.

Daisy’s question, as I understood it (but could be wrong), is whether or not changing the stats on Mistforged weapons in the Mystic Forge would make them unupgradable, and whether people should hold off on doing that until there’s more certainty about it.

Ignoring for a moment that Jumpin Lumpix is ascribing behaviours and motivations to roamers that don’t seem to match the majority of roaming that I see in others and do myself, even the behaviour he describes is a completely legitimate strategy.

He’s described a scenario in which people built for zerging are trying to rejoin the zerg, but getting killed by roamers geared for solo or havoc play before they can make it. The people trying to return to the zerg are, effectively, resources who contribute more as a part of a larger whole than they do individually.

If one (or more) roamers can slow or stop the stream of resources flowing to replenish an enemy zerg, then they’re arguably helping their server more than they would by joining their own zerg. They’re cutting supply lines (players who bring damage, heals, buffs, clears, and actual supply), which is a totally legitimate and valuable strategy.

And that’s true just by assuming everything Jumpin Lumpix is accurate, which it isn’t.

Offair.2563:

I consider 1000 faceplants as a beginner. Roaming ehhh bullying since 2012!

I’m approaching 12k deaths on my main for the reason. #RoamerLife

HazyDaisy.4107:

The question is though, do you forge change those weapons if you have them now, or hold on to them in case they allow this change sometime in the future?

Does forge changing them remove the ability to upgrade weapons? I’d not heard that that was the case, and I don’t actually see a case for it either. That said, I can’t imagine I’d be worried about it either way.

I appreciate the thought (it’s a good one), but I don’t know that it adds anything that we can’t already do.

Getting people to use the shapes you’ve proposed for their intended purpose requires general agreement that is just as easily achieved through a server designating specific colours for specific roles. But it mostly doesn’t happen because, in both cases, colours or shapes, people like to choose the option that they like best.

That said, I wouldn’t be opposed to them adding shapes or anything. I just predict that it wouldn’t lead to what you intended for them.

Junkpile.7439:

Well i don’t really need changeable stats, but it’s probably nice test some new builds that i wouldn’t test otherwise. Weapons will still be problem.

My hope is that they also allow the Mistforged ascended weapons to become upgradable to Legendary. I’ve no reason to think that they will, but it would be awesome.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

I dunno, If u like chasing people who clearly don’t want to 1v1 and aren’t geared or speced for it, then maybe? I always feel like roamers can’t handle the minimal amount of fairness that is put into spvp, so they go to wvw instead to have a huge advantage.

How do they have a huge advantage when everyone else has the exact same build options? As for killing people who don’t want to 1v1, I regularly come across people who don’t want to 1v1 but they sure want to 3+v1.

As others have pointed out, wvw is an open world competitive game mode. As soon as you leave spawn, it’s clear that there are two sides who are going to want to kill you, whether by way of a big group, an individual, or everything in between. That’s the game.

JTGuevara.9018:

I have to say, I like the design and utility of spellbreaker. I like that it’s not solely focused on damage. Spellbreaker is as the name says: dispel and strip boons. It has a clear purpose. Dagger seems ok. Full Counter seems OP, though. An evade, retaliation, block, absorb every 8 seconds?! I think that’s going to be a problem.

I know a few people have said it, but I don’t see Full Counter as OP. It blocks one attack, does a decent hit, but has a radius that’s about 2/3 that of Arc Divider (just under twice normal melee range). I’d expect the blast is somewhat telegraphed too.