Guild Wars 2

fantasy.8395:

No it was the second boss that stands in the middle of the huge aoe on the ground I have to wait for his minion to drop his shield get the color buff then get in with my shield color shied buff to attack the boss (seems like you can not damage him unless your a certain distance from him?)

So I am trying to dps him down with the 10-12 second shield buff as I a running out of time 3-4 seconds to go I head out I get outside of the aoe with the shield down, that is when he decides it is time to pull me back in and knock me down.. .which by the time I get up I am dead in assassin gear on my mesmer.

So I end up dying since there is no way to get back up have to start back at the last save point and by the time I get back to the boss his health has reset, on my warrior I was able ot escape him pulling me in thanks to stability and my necro with shroud but since my mesmer does jack for damage compared to the other two I finished this story on it has been misable.

Does not help that clones images instantly die even fighting the second boss, and without them I do a far less amount of damage, while if I played it real safe I could do it with time but at less than 5% damage on hte bar done each time I go in with being super safe at 5 seconds buff on the shield we are talking 12-15 times in at lease that means waiting at many times for the small add to drop its shield and to kill so I can get a new color aura to get a new shield each time…..

To me that is a the example of tedious and very mind numbing and if I don’t get out with that amount of time to spare playing it safe there is a good chance that the boss will pull me back in to my peril.

The boss doesn’t use pulls, the buff giving things knock you back if you don’t have the appropriate colour effect when you approach them. Don’t run out of the circle towards the buffers. Also take blink lets you dps for longer.

Wanderer.3248:

I think what Blude means is that totally changing the mechanics of the game for a boss battle is not the best idea.

It happens a lot in single player games, and it often sucks. It implies that the main game was too easy, and rather than fix the main game to be challenging, they threw the normal mechanics out the window for the boss fight.

OP Boss fights also mean that every major villain has to be some sort of titanic monster – like the holographic Scarlet, which means the writers get painted into a corner with respect to character development.

You are talking nonsense.. Zelda has some of the most epic boss fights in the gaming world and its because of their dedication to creating unique encounters. Rewriting the rules for bosses is what makes them memorable and “bosses” (not just regular stuff with more hit points).
As for holographic Scarlet – THE WHOLE OF LIONS ARCH NEEDS TO FIGHT HER – you cannot have them all beating up a regular sized model. They even gave the small instance afterwards to deal with that.

tl:dr Yes to more good boss design! I can see the effort made to make it accessible for nonBiS gear and trying to be creative with effects – keep it up.

Thieves missing Steal is basicly your only defense against them (unless they are awful), you need to learn the distance they can port to you from and dodge when they reach it. Then you have 20secs to pressure them and prepare for another Steal. If they hit Steal do not try to Shatter – it will be wasted (Prot is burried under too many boons) – keep illusions up and play defensively until the buffs have gone.

When it comes to dealing a finishing Shatter if you are close try to Daze them as you Shatter (this will remove their ability to 3 spam and avoid the damage for a moment).

Watch for Shadow Refuge if you are close try to knock them out but if they are good (you should be able to tell by how they have played so far) DO NOT try to blink and knock – you’ll be out of a stunbreak and a CC if they are just spamming dodge inside it. If they are rubbish though a blink and knock can win you the fight.

Can’t stress enough though – play around Steal.

You say “mainline content” its not, its the only content – they need to make it engaging for a lot of people. If you find it hard you need to just spend a moment thinking about the fight. These bosses don’t have any time limits or dps checks its completable by everyone and they are pretty fast if you work out the mechanics (also if you can’t/don’t want to think google knows all).

The design shows real effort to make a puzzle like encounter that doesn’t restrict people to BiS gear and setup – its far from lazy.

Portal still works.

Zoso.8279:

You have boon strip and you kill cele ele. The build is good but not OP. You take out their might stack and its game over for cele ele.

Thank god Burning has such a low base damage or that wouldn’t be true.

I think if we burn Celest Ammy and Double Procs Sigils we’d be in a decent place.

xDudisx.5914:

shimmerlessEU.6841:

xDudisx.5914:

Just joined a match where 8/10 players were a mesmer.
#MesmerNewBowRanger

I take mild pride in the fact that I went into a random hotjoin after almost half a year not playing this game and gibbed this guy twice on point before he raged in map chat about Mesmers and logged, provoking this little outburst.

Next time you might not want to 12345 on Nec staff, spam mindlessly into the sword block and kill yourself on confusion because you blew both your transfers muffin.

Sword/sword + staff shatter too stronk folks you heard it here first.

I can’t play my main celestial ele because it has a birthday booster to spend so I made this necro build yesterday. Anyway as a necro and any other classes the biggest problem is always a mesmer due to the skilless faceroll build everyone runs.

Loved it.

Sizer.2654:

sigils allow the game to be more balanced , guys dont forget before air/fire sigils the community was QQing about bunkers.
Its a great idea to have the sigils only proc from abilities instead of auto attacks.

Free undodgable damage isn’t good – you argued against Dhuumfire for this very reason. Celest also needs to be tackled yes – no one here is saying bunker comps are good but fire+air needs dealt with too.

Simplest and most likely fix is to just put all proc sigils on a shared CD and done, can then get on to the other balance issues.

JUST PUT THEM ON THE SAME CD…. All this insane talk of only allowing them to trigger on 2-5 can you imagine what effort that would require to get into the game? And it doesn’t stop the problem of +3k damage on spikes.

Just force all “Proc on Crit” Sigils to share a CD – they surely have some code like this saved somewhere as its how they worked before.

Anet told us that they wouldn’t allow Fire+Air to proc together (AS I RAISED THIS ISSUE HERE BEFORE THE kittenING UPDATE!) But now that implies they lack the ability to actually separate Fire+Air from any other kind of Sigil.. Hmm we might be stuck with it.. kitten

kitten sbow

I would stress though that Fire+Air as a concept needs removing not just taken from auto attacks – if you leave it open for special attacks to proc both you’ll have stupid spikes still.

I completely agree, double procs are really broken. Anet removed dhuumfire for the same logic they just need to keep to that philosophy.

xDudisx.5914:

Coulter.2315:

If you’re dying to them at range its because of Fire+Air they need nerf’d. Everyone can see they are stupidly OP and every complain thread about a zerker class since the update can be traced to them.

Can’t agree more with you. The only ones saying sigilf of air+fire are balanced are the ones making use of it: mesmers and thieves.

I’m a Mesmer..

The artwork for the Radiant Legs is awesome, but they are seriously out of reach – especially since we seem to be quite a few months of the year without living story to boost achieve gain. Either increase speed of getting achievement points or no one will ever see things someone has obviously put a lot of time into making.

Also forcing you to pick Hellfire for each piece of armour before you are allowed to get the next Radiant set is stupid (obviously thought up BEFORE ANet considered adding another tier of stuff) it could do with revision.

Some more attention on PvP and scrutiny with a financial backer can only be a good thing. Don’t think of it as £100 to TCG or CM each week just think what the effect on balance updates and attention with more promotion will do – its a positive thing.

kolompi.1287:

Lordrosicky.5813:

I don’t play anymore.

He raises a valid question, if you are not playing anymore then what are you doing here on the forums, adding your opinion to something you left?

If someone runs out of a burning building is it not ok for them to shout back “EVERYONE GET OUTSIDE!!!”?

Belze Intilie.8436:

“Just because they dont do max dmg at range doenst mean their dmg is not op. They are only losing 1 out of 4 shatter hits staying ranged”
Just…wrong. The “burst” come from the bounces of mirror-blade, the might-stack from the bounces and then mind wrack. So if you mirror-blade from 1200 range, you have only one bounce and one clone to mind wrack.
You have to go meele for the big burst = have one clone up+mirror blade+dodge for another clone+mind stab and mind wrack. ^^

Correct I would also ask everyone who doesn’t know how Illusionary Persona works to go read about it. The damage of clones reduces the more clones you have, without IP say a single clone does 0.5 damage, three clones does 1 damage total. Adding the Mesmer from IP; a single clone + Mesmer does 1 damage and three clones +Mesmer does 1.3ish damage. This shows how important the Mesmer contribution is to the Mirror Blade spike.

If you’re dying to them at range its because of Fire+Air they need nerf’d. Everyone can see they are stupidly OP and every complain thread about a zerker class since the update can be traced to them.

Halting can crit for almost 4k – it has a VERY high variance in damage, it can obliterate someone if you get lucky. Also a strong backup for damage if Mind Wrack is on CD and lets you counter spike someone.

I think its a bit too strong but there are other things needing addressed first.

The things we need to take away from this discussion is it is dangerous for ANet to make skills that have so many buffs that can stack on it, we see another interesting similarity between Celestial and specs which benefit from a variety.

Happy balance is what we should strive for.

kitten Sbow.

I worry about anything done to fix steal will create more monsters. They started from a TERRIBLE place – this single skill has a ridiculous number of traits attached to it and every thief for quite a while now has used a bucket full of them. Change/remove access to these traits and you’re going to get upset people. This makes me think they might absorb traits into Steal and basicly give free trait points to thieves.

I’d rather kill Fire+Air and see if they can still get away with pure utility traits first and see if we need to do more afterwards. I agree Steal is stupid (hit Steal = win, miss Steal = kitten about in sbow/stealth til recharged) but I worry that they will see that its a combination of loads of traits thats the trouble and think combining them with small nerfs will be enough and instead give rise to free power buffs AND let them keep Fire+Air.

Be careful when talking about class specific f skills – they need to feel relevant and ANet need to work carefully with it.

Are you upset you got killed by Necro, Ele and Mesmer focus fire? Cause you SHOULD die to that.

Carighan.6758:

Fay.2357:

That would sorta be breaking the standard among all classes that weapon skills do not ever count as one of the utility types that traits affect.

Hrm, not too strict a standard though. We have IC, which affects both weapon-clone skills and utility-clone skills.
There’s also Guardian traits for Symbols.

You need to look at the skills in your utility area – they are designated “Manipulation”, “Glamour”, “Signet”, “Mantra” and “Summon”. The other classes have similar stuff “Meditation”, “Glyph” etc.

Each class has a set of traits which work specifically with these types of skills hence the Med Guard spec, Mesmers seem to be the only one with a slight smudge with Summon CD. The rest of the Utility traits don’t effect weapon skills.

There are no Guardian Symbol Utilities.

Carighan.6758:

and people stupid enough to think duelling is a way to win

Here’s the important bit of what you wrote.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Coulter.2315:

Ross Biddle.2367:

You have the opinion that it doesn’t produce winning results, and in fact it can. Therefore you’re wrong.

You’re not thinking clearly, if it produced winning results then it would be being used in tournaments for money. It isn’t. It isn’t even used in weekly ESLs.

Now you’re over thinking it. Or rather your definition is to narrow. I am simply talking about playing to win in general. In place of what I’ve said you’re attempting to erect a straw man, which is fallacious.

You do have a point though but it’s a separate faucet of the discussion.

I’m afraid I don’t agree with you. Your general statement is “its a spec that works and wins” to back up its reason for use. <- If I haven’t understood this correctly please say.

If my assumption is correct then we would see it being used in situations where its important to have a build that works and wins. We don’t. This would imply there is another reason for people to run it.

Ross Biddle.2367:

You have the opinion that it doesn’t produce winning results, and in fact it can. Therefore you’re wrong.

You’re not thinking clearly, if it produced winning results then it would be being used in tournaments for money. It isn’t. It isn’t even used in weekly ESLs.

Use portal – wait 1 beat (its slightly less than 3/4 second I think) – spam the interact key.

Still works but you do need to wait before starting the stomp.

Focus wins every time – most versatile offhand and grouping things up enhances the dps of everyone and even you solo.

Jake.1430:

I don’t do it for the easy fights or lack if skill. …laughter, coming from deep underground.

Think about it, you’ve already answered your question.

Charr should all be exterminated, don’t make one or the purge will hit you too.

xDudisx.5914:

Celestial is the way to go.

Oh whoops didn’t spot the troll, my mistake – still think double procs are bad for the game though. Search arguments against Dhuumfire for details why.

Nerf Fire+Air (or Blood or w/e) job done. Shatter Mesmer isn’t OP, the double proc sigils are.

I particularly like the line about PU being hard xD

“PU is hard cause you need to bring team-mates”

Priceless.

If no one else existed and it was just you that would mean everything that appears in the world you would have had to have come up with – scarily if surprised by something you would have needed to have thought of something then repressed it OR your brain is dominating you further by imposing the “surprise!” feeling on you even though as its the world you’ve constructed you made the surprise happen. FURTHER you’ve become stupider in your own universe as you aren’t the most intelligent person in your universe, you decided on either a concious or unconcious level to imbue figments with greater intelligence and power than yourself.

Basicly if we are all just someone’s dream and I could just be writing this so you read it and finally figure it out that we’re all in your head and would you PLEASE JUST WAKE UP SO WE CAN GET OUT OF HERE!!!!!

.. but then the concept of “I” in this context is just a joke – hope you’re laughing I don’t know if I am.

OMG I’m such an idiot xD It needs to be used in a crafting recipe – please close thread xD

It isn’t I’m afraid.

The Mystic Forge window doesn’t see it in my inventory and if I try to drag directly from inventory the square in the MF turns red and I cannot place it.

Tao.5096:

Reduce duration of Moa by half.
Reduce cooldown of Moa by half.

best fix eu.

You just doubled its power xD

I would tend to agree with your points Sizer and probably the best options avalilable since a really solid Observer Mode seems unworkable. PvP needs spectators to thrive – generates new interest, ups the skill level of player base and even helps in balancing (broken things being picked up by huge numbers forces the issue and ANet have to react faster – if you had 1000s of viewers watching the number of deaths by Air+Fire proc and shouting at the time of it happening this kitten would hopefully have had more attention – anyone who thinks Fire+Air is balanced needs to go check to see if they complained about Dhuumfire).

Making viewing PvP a better and more engaging experience is definitely something to support.
kitten SBow.

Signet of Inspiration is all you need for buffing in dungeons, doesn’t force you into a niche build.

A work around would be to give Chest a hidable option (this state seems to remove the contribution to PvP armour) atm if I go topless in PvP then because the game wants me to wear a shirt I lose armour value

Cloth wearers don’t have access to Gladiator armour and I’m sure all the medium wearers must eventually want to take their trench coats off.

Free us from these silk prisons!

Romek.4201:

as long as the game dont turn in an transvestite or drag queen clown show i would not care

Have you seen Twilight Arbor light armour? That is an outfit worthy of a Drag Clown show.

Blink behind them, like if someone teleports or walks behind you during your mirror blade cast it messes it up. Stay close and use your boon removal for stab and try to get a CC chain off, but best thing is to always stay close but behind them.

If you run all the dungeons each day you can make about 50g (if you’re a thief/guard/mesmer you can really speed up runs) – remember to salavage and sell anything Cloth or Metal.

I’d like some Shirtless choices for Males and more Trousers /signed

If you want to wait until after the current large tourny that’s cool and fair, just make a new policy for after. People do like watching games and having them as a permanent fixture will be a boon for us all.

Observe Mode was one of the biggest PvP community builders there was in GW1, you would all jump on to watch KMD vs rawr together and everyone would get involved chatting and it opened up lines of communication between the player base.

This was one of the first things all my old guildies from GW1 [StP] wanted when we moved over – sadly I’m the only one left. If the technology isn’t there to provide it then we are all going to miss out on something really enriching to the PvP game.

To the point of Authorised Spectators not recording because of requests from top teams, you need to just ignore it. If every ASC does it – preferably with the backing of ANet – then it just becomes the norm and people get used to it. You may get some QQ and boycotting teamq BUT you then start broadcasting the next ones down the list, it won’t take long til new people become “the ones to watch” (literally) and I’d imagine the egos of those who demand not being observed will force them out of the shadows. People will complain if they think that they are at a disadvantage so you MUST do it to everyone above a certain bracket (GW1 was top 100 GvG).

This is something, BLU, you and your ilk can do NOW, positively impacting the game and on the cheap for ANet. If you want the higher PvP game to involve more people you need to give them something to sink their teeth into and inspire them to play. Not everyone streams or has a computer that can do it with the game running and its quite a thrill when your matches are put up – its something to work towards that will give some progression to the PvP game (getting into the Obs bracket).

If you want to make a difference the option is there for you, I hope if the tech is available ANet can follow it with a true Obs Mode but for now its in your hands and worth a try.

(To any nay sayers GW1 had a faaaaar more complex setup with team builds and strategies – if the top teams there coped with Obs Mode and people seeing their strat then people here can too – yes I know they smurfed when they wanted to hide something but I’d imagine the option is there for custom arenas to provide the same cloak if needed)

It will never kill anything in a team fight due to you relying on iDuelist to condi spike. You might be able to kill things 1v1 BUT they will need to choose to stay and die – they won’t or they’ll ask for help and you won’t be fast enough to kill them before help arrives.

Just don’t take Portal in Soloq – its a dead skill most of the time – take Nullfield.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Keksmuffin.1450:

Dunno if Khylo would be the only map in this game I would agree but on other maps the mobility is not that big of a factor.

The stealth and the fact that they can 2v1 everything in seconds is annoying but on the other side when you only go for two points they are either forced to teamfight with 2 squishies or to let one of their squishies watch close, which usually isn’t the best idea.

It is by far the worst on khylo, but my point stands for other maps too. Too much mobility/burst. Really hard to play a necro in a bunker comp vs thief/mesmer comp. Just get farmed all game.

I understand your pain but Necro will always be very high up the kill list because it can’t run and cannot be allowed to free cast – if you put that massive target next to 4 Celestials you will be jumped by everything. Celest teams also will likely have a hard time keeping you safe because they won’t have the same prefered position as you and the foes you fear teleport (Celest will not want to sit off point just to protect you if you’re jumped).

Why do you run Necro in a Celest comp? If the answer is “to be stronger against other Celest comps” you need to take with it that burst comps will have a delicious target. (I’m assuming that is the reason cause I’ve watched you munch those boons hard). Its sorta a rock/paper/scissors thing for your specific comp, perhaps suggest a switch up of classes (not specificly the Necro) when you see a Burst comp?

Turamarth.3248:

1. Make your own group.
2. Don’t make any assumptions about the abilities of other players. While there are probably sellers who kick others I would say that the majority of them can solo or duo a path without problems.
3. Do you know why you see only lfgs from sellers? Their groups takes the longest to fill.
When I was selling CM I had to wait about 15 minutes to get a full group. Every normal lfg I saw was full after about 5 minutes.

^ This person has some strong logic – listen to them.