Guild Wars 2

Right up there with the oil on the top floor, that reached nothing.

Auto-upgrades are still a problem, imagine when you have no-one to snipe camps, nevermind take back their border/map; which are fully upgraded due to them being automatically upgraded, then you manage to gather a group to try to cap something back, but by the time they’re ready, the keeps/towers/camps are T2/T3 without anyone being there to trigger an upgrade.

There is still, no real point in playing to cap structures right now, the objective taking game is dull, also at least strategic PPT, doesn’t exist (it’s usually PvD), so PPK is a step in the right direction IMO.

And also, internet famous person interviews WvW commanders and suddenly they care? I think it says everything, about what they think about the WvW community, even those who gave constructive feedback, I think all they care about, is good PR really.

^^ That’s what happens, when you have 3 identical maps in rotation for 3 years, the only thing they did is, remove the lake. It would be nice if they brought it back, removed those skritt/centaur camps, use up the space a little better and make it so it’s actually your Home Border.

EB hasn’t gotten old besides the lag, it’s just a bit frustrating, when you fight near each other’s keep, anyone you wipe can re-spawn and run back fast, you get plenty of loot, but they’ll eventually overrun you.

The map wasn’t that good as people think, there’s alot of wasted space filled with just as much horrible spots to fights, inside camps and keeps, around choke points, the bridge near Hills on the south, these aren’t much different at all, to what you get on the Desert Borderlands, on the West side of the map.

Nostalgia just clouds people’s memory.

The problem is with the silly mechanics they added and the current Meta in WvW, even though they balance for PvP specifically. It’s not just that, players/zergs still just turtled inside keeps and all that with siege.

3 copies of the same map doesn’t help either. Actually, if they spent their time and resources, on another Border, rather than EoTM, we would have 3 different new Borderland maps.

I’m not saying the new map is great, but the only map that seems well designed by them is EB IMO, luckily they haven’t removed that yet.

yanoch.7051:

I really do miss the old BL

Honestly, the map was pretty bland overall and gave an advantage to map hopping k-trainers (with Golems at spawn) usually, it was good for smaller groups too, but the whole upgrade system since HoT, totally ruins that side of WvW.

If only they could just make the map bigger and use up space better, rather than add verticality.

Here’s a video of my own from Season 2, the meta is alot different now and there’s alot less players, not much incentive to play wvw or even gw2 nowadays.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xw3cMp9Lfo

Yep, same thing happened to me.
I was also getting, massive lag spikes all evening.

Deso is in its own ‘league’, but its not like pugs can expect to be carried in fights, things are only regularly active at night really, when there’s little to fight.

Sadly they have little choice of guilds to choose from, if they decide PPT is boring, or roaming is too difficult. Then again, I don’t think many end up joining guild on here anyway, trying to recruit here is difficult.

The maps aren’t small group friendly, it’s not easy to flip back with a small group, or even K-train, but a blob can easily take a Border and hop, without resistance.

Fights are fine, as long as it’s away from the East/Wind keep, where it’s a bit like EoTM.

No queues on Deso, lel.

waves @ Anet.
It’s obvious that Friday Reset suits us best, please give us an early Xmas present and change it back next week!

If one of the nodes, outside Anet’s own servers have problems, there isn’t much they can do themselves. I haven’t had lag recently though.

Entenkommando.5208:

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

EU population is the lowest I’ve ever seen, barely any queues and outnumbered on all borders, apart from EB ofc.

I’m sure it’s similar elsewhere.

If you are outnumbered everywhere it’s not like that on the other servers

Players and Guilds are quitting the game, and most people don’t care about PPT at least.

EU population is the lowest I’ve ever seen, barely any queues and outnumbered on all borders, apart from EB ofc.

I’m sure it’s similar elsewhere.
Deso has no prime time guilds, Commanders who only tag when they’re bored, only one GvG guild, no other scheduled WvW Guilds raiding, all that’s left is some zombie PPT Guild, but nobody cares about that anymore, other than maybe BB right now.

The Eu side has a choice of national and international servers, their tends to be more ‘pride’ from national servers, the international servers, can get all sorts of transfers from everywhere, compared to them.

It was happening last night too.
I’ve also had this really bad lag spikes during prime time, it was better last night, but it’s like the servers are struggling a bit recently.

Jayne.9251:

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

Jayne.9251:

I wonder how many people have just thrown their hands up and already quit because of this?

Nah, ppl just quit because things got stale, or they don’t want to spend time, to adapt to the new mechanics..

Weird. Prior to HoT the maps were quite busy.

It’s because people had Pre-HoT hype, came back, HoT came out, everybody spent most of their time in pve unlocking their elites and then people re-entered, but gave up once they tried working their way through the maps.

WvW isn’t rewarding,. and there’s really no point in playing for points or objectives anymore.

There’s one guild on Deso, day and night, that has no clue how to really defend stuff, they just look for undefendable stuff for points and prefer to stay away from doing any pvp, apart from zerging.

My guild is the only Guild on the Borderlands, looking to fight during the evening. Compared to every other server, at least they try to make use of the map terrain, but Deso has only 1-3 guilds and a queue on EB if we’re lucky.

People might stay around, because of how good the combat is, but the balance sucks aswell.

Jayne.9251:

I wonder how many people have just thrown their hands up and already quit because of this?

Nah, ppl just quit because things got stale, or they don’t want to spend time, to adapt to the different layout.

‘T1’ EU is mostly quiet, the only reason Deso is winning, is because there’s not many PPT tryhards left on the other servers, that PPT every day and week.

There’s no queues or just a single queue to EB usually and only 1-3 guilds if we’re lucky during prime time, gg.

They should change it back to Friday Night for sure.

They barely communicate with the WvW community, even after all those CDIs, they didn’t bare much fruit, so we have every right to complain, even though sometimes it’s a bit harsh.

That’s not how you communicate with a proportion of the player-base, about a game mode that is pretty unique which brings dozens of players back each day, but apparently not enough for the devs attention to focus on, compared to PVE and esports. (hello horrible pvp meta)

Otherwise like how you react to people, it feels like we’re a lesser priority and only reply conveniently.

All you need to do is organize things, as you usually do, with the TS Server(s) you already have in place, it depends on how Alliances are implemented and who ends up in admin/leadership positions.

Before people left Desospeak for IRON speak, we used another Guild’s TeamSpeak Server, while people qq’d over some silly drama, so there are Servers already in place with an amount of slots; to be used and expanded if necessary.

I know plenty of guilds with their own TS/voice comm servers.

NO, I had a better time with my guild, who I spent 2 years with, which split about 3 times, but still ended up with a couple former guildies who formed a HC wvw Guild.

Compared to Desolation; where I’ve seen a large chunk of acquintances and friends leave in the past 3 years, there’s little attachment to be had there, due to transfers and difference in wvw philosophy now. And transfers totally break communities up, unless they’re restricted.

PPT just causes silly drama, over how we want to spend our time in WvW, worrying about tick and scores, as though it matters to community at all. The new mechanics just make it less for people to really care about. I’m too old for that.

Sometimes people want to have fun, they go EotM, because EB prolly has a queue and there’s nothing on the new Borders to fight, unless you scrim in the Guild Arena these days, there’s hardly much to fight.

GvGers are pretty much keeping metas moving and creating new builds for the Community, otherwise idk how long the game mode would last, even thought people reckon their way of playing is more important.

Most pugs are casual though, Piken and Gandara don’t exactly have ‘great’ pugs (like mostly everyone else tbh), the national servers are generally worse, but it depends on who is leading and the amount of experienced players in the zerg; who know what they’re doing.

I wish they would try balance for WvW in mind, make it more accessible for even casual players, to run the right gear, but doubt it’ll happen, unless they volunteer themselves.

@Chaba Sadly I haven’t seen that kind of tactics being used in ages, it was probably Season 2 since I last saw anybody trying anything different, than one big fight over a keep with players turtled with siege (even with similar numbers) or just blob vs gates.

Most maps end up outnumbered, with multiple guilds from other servers, that have nothing to fight.

Most pugs should be encouraged join a guild, theorycraft, use proper builds and understand proper tactics.

It’s better than just follow a tag and join a blob that carries you or a k-train which you don’t need much coordination. It’s the best you can improve for large scale pvp, especially if you want to to improve as a player and be more reliable to whoever you run with.

Deso is full of Community guilds, one GvG guild and the rest more casual or PPT guilds, who still believe in the competition, without any competition left.

There’s still no queues apart from EB, or depending on commander.

If you’re a pug who only wants to play casually, with no pressure to join a guild to improve, I guess it’s an okay place to be.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/15/336

EU, ded.
Not really, but there isn’t many Prime time guilds left on Deso anymore, the curse of being #1 I suppose

People don’t PPT unless the MU is winnable via PvD IMO, they only defend if they even have manpower, but you don’t need to defend if you tick @ 400-500 each night for 2-3 hours.

Most people just end up staying on EB anyway, or just wait for people to log, there isn’t any investment that people have to put in anymore.

Thieves can gank, +1, AOE stealth for long durations, has good burst, res and has good mobility, although the last one used to be ‘best’ because alot of stuff can catch a thief out. Sure we can only 1v1 lesser skilled players, but it isn’t that bad, the only thing is that certain weapon sets could be alot better and be more viable.

It’s sad that acro got gutted for DareDevil though, I think trait wise, Thief is in an okay spot otherwise.

Inflames.8026:

Since I didnt know you I sort of expected a kitten guy running around in WvW trying to gank scrubs.
10/10 :]

Most players in wvw are bads honestly.

WvW isn’t fair.

I’ve been on Desolation for the past 3 years, and we’ve been up and down the ranks.
I even quit the game during Season 1, when Deso dropped to the Silver leagues and basically night capped our way to winning that Season and the rewards it brought.

Now Deso has taken the place of SFR, we’ve lost half our Guilds this past year to other Servers, yes it may be #1 in the EU, but the community isn’t recognizable anymore, there’s no hard work put in. apart from a few people who try to do their bit, otherwise it’s just pointless as PvD off-peak wins MUs.

Commanding was challenging or fun for me, as I didn’t even get to GvG or anything back then, that was too elitist for me back then, but things change.

I’ve pretty much figured out that, all that stuff is pointless to worry about, kitten that stuff really and believing, it was important. WvW isn’t really competitively balanced enough, players and guilds move all the time, so there’s no point caring about that stuff, even Server Pride.

What this game needs is more support towards WvW and GvG guilds, unless they completely rework the entire home server and transfer system.

The new borders and mechanics (auto upgardes), were a pretty drastic overhaul as it is already though.

The only thing left is population imbalance, coverage and PPT/Glicko, but many of us have given up on that side of stuff, because it’s not what brings us back to WvW each day, nor is it that rewarding.

It’s flexible in terms of Glicko below T1, but Deso has no opposition and once everyone drops out of a MU with Deso, they usually win their MU by a mile.

It’s basically the same situation when SFR dominated, like Deso is in T0, it hasn’t been locked like it used to be between SFR/Deso/Vz . No servers are truly ‘full’ though, even T1 is pretty ded.

Only when it’s late @ night or prime time, even then on Desolation most borders were outnumbered and Home Border was flipped by RS/JS, only for Deso to tick high at night.

It’s time to do something about night capping, or fill population gaps somehow, competitively WvW is pointless, or always has been really.

Playing for your server is such an outdated concept, not to sound elitist, but playing with a group that knows what it’s doing; is much more fulfilling and rewarding.

That is 2-3 hours of our lives trying to improve as a team and have good fights, outside that we often join an open tag, otherwise people should play how what they want, but also respect that people want to play as they wish to.

The borderlands are fine IMO, I don’t want the old borders; which were more easier to k-train faster. They need slow down the silly automatic upgrades or make it so a human being has to trigger certain upgrades and NO waypoints should be open in a T0 keep.

The meta is almost exactly the same minus, revs and the new specializations; whch still surprises people, unless you PvP daily, because in PvP, you get to play vs most professions in there and need to switch up tactics. You can’t 1v1 certain classes nevermind 1vx players, that know what they’re doing.

Condi and high mobility classes rule, groups with coordination and the right classes work, especially if you synthesize stealth and buffs together; like boons, heals and cleanses , although fighting random pug groups, you don’t really need that.

Also many people have always preferred roaming on EB, simply because the old alpine borders were still a distance to run across and you wouldn’t find any fights apart from the south ruins; which were also the old/new GvG spot. Even then most people left there are usually just people upgrading structures. capping camps or border hopping zergs.

Deso has up to 20-40 players at night actually, but nevermind., it’s not like T1 is ‘competitive’ anymore.

SFR pretty much had problems with bandwagoners, a lack of guilds during prime time to fight, all they had is coverage to win PPT.

It’s like in the past when Anet stupidly opened up free transfers, they were just flooded with pugs, with no clue what to do, although most pugs don’t know what they’re doing or are just roaming among themselves, although SFR had alot of of dedicated sniping groups, no chance of that happening often on the new borders.

People end up in EB anyway, and that becomes a zerg-fest/K-train.

The borders are alright during prime time, outside that, otherwise we have the OS/Guild Arena; for fights at least.

I could care less about the PPT side, since that is still coverage-wars, the worst change IMO, is the automated upgrades; which makes things harder to flip back with lower numbers and people don’t really need to pay attention anymore.

+1 experienced it tonight and didn’t hop back until it was over.

Adding the walls seems to make it smaller, the ring out barrier seems to be the solution to our problems, although you’ll need guild level 18 afaik

So until Anet let’s us expand the Arena, we’re stuck with something that would be great if it was 2x larger, but right now from my experience; the size of the arena is less pirate-shippy at least.

It’s not just T3 wall textures glitching, it’s also T2, somehow they messed up the transfer of EB.

Clearly there’s no way that all these servers are “Full”, wvw outside Prime is mostly empty and the most dominating servers are just left to fight doors.
I don’t see a point in logging on to wvw, outside of prime time like many others, people just end up playing for fights and follow a pug zerg, GvG or Roam (or PVE instead).

Anet clearly doesn’t care that much about competitive balance, it’s not like there’s anything worth the time and effort anyway, till they give WvW more than a new map and gimmicks, which only makes wvw more meaningless to wvwers; who want to play for that PPT.

It’s the lootbag rendering.. and the other mechanics going on the new Borders.

Not sure what you can do, when it’s part of your culture, coverage wars is not worth the time honestly, as long as get to play alongside your friends and guild during prime time or otherwise.

Notice to Piken, you beat Baruch, even though they night capped a few months ago, now you complain and aren’t organizing anything to counter them by day capping afaik. You don’t need just people pretending to care, and then just complain about night capping.

Even when I played at night vs them back in the day, they were playing later than everyone else, Guild groups and other zergs; with little to no opposition every single night, but they also had guilds like KaZ, DsD, siN, RNV etc, many of them moved to international servers actually.

‘Dedicated’ players don’t have much to do anymore, it’s all automatic, so why bother?
The only thing to do is get lost in the map currently, it feels so much more soul-less compared to Verdant Brink; which isn’t comparable I know, but as a WvW map it fails to have much flow to it, it feels like they mixed a bit of EoTM and PVE, rather than it being a WvW/PvP map.

It’s a bug, kept hearing random voices even before HoT.

The map is beautiful, but as a WvW Border it doesn’t need multi-layers of convoluted terrain, tunnels , valleys and lots of empty wasteland.

It just seems unnecessary designed, like an anti-Eotm, but more like a PvEvW map.