Thief is just hard countered by warrior and guardian and revenant, That is why they complain. There are classes that at a certain level of skill are impossible for them to win vs. a Pro league thief could lose to a decent guardian.
Kidding right ? Thief does not hard conter. I have no idea why this definitly bad player write on forum this mistification.
Maybe is time to L2P, crying on forum really dont increase your personal skill.
Did you even read what he wrote? Or you are just spitting some toxic nonsense for no reason? And what is your screenshot supposed to prove lol?
Thieves crying about a 1 sec CD on stealth skills while they rejoiced when Warrior’s adrenaline consumption was nerfed i.e. would consume full adrenaline even if the burst skills missed/blocked/evaded and it takes way longer to get to 30 levels of adrenaline on a warrior if the elite is on a CD than for a thief to get to stealth. Atleast thieves aren’t revealed on missing a stealthed attack which would promote more skilled gameplay like warriors’ burst skills.
There are already too many unblockables. Put more unblockables and that would make blocks useless.
Except when did thieves have 23+K HP, myriad passives to save their precious and massive dmg on multiple attacks?
Why thieves are so kittened is that we have DHs rampaging around and Anet nerfs tools that helped us to deal with guards, not to mention the class been in garbage tier for 4 seasons now and the nerf also affected builds that were barely viable if at all – Anet just keeps beating the dead horse.
Its true that thieves don’t have the raw hp and the armor like a warrior to directly deal with dmg but they got more active damage mitigation in form of dodges and blinds and mobility. Its a trade off IMO. And this has nothing to do with punishing players for missing stealth attacks like it does for a warrior bursts.
Actually it does. Thieves don’t have sustain to make up for missed backstab (which btw in many cases is not even worth using), you get maybe 1-2 chances to land it at all.
Backstab already has high requirements (have crit, be behind target, have stealth up, not get blocked/interrupted, it is SINGLE target spell etc.), was 1 sec CD on top of 1 sec aftercast really necessary, especially in DH meta?
And i love how people bring up dodges. They don’t save you from all, some spells ignore dodges (hunter trap for example). And, yeah great, used my dodges then what? Blinds are useless since HoT due to passive condi removals and AoE/fields spam. Mobility? Sure, i can always run away but giving enemy point doesn’t win games….
Why won’t you accept the fact that thief is not a bruiser/bunker?
You’re an assassin..and from lore and just common sense, assassins are not 1vs1 brawler, I mean you want to be able to 1vs1 people while having the highest single target dmg in the game and the ability to virtually disengage from anything?…how that makes any sense?
This is my friend in wvw..but he has also some parts from PvP, I can understand that thief may need positive changes ( like all other professions ) but asking for obviously broken stuff instead than ask to fix what few things are broken on other professions….
More unblockables on thief would not make the game any better..by a mile, I mean unblockable backstab?…yeah right c’mon
Read my comment above.
Also, why the hell you bring wvw in which is totally unbalanced due to gear disparity/food/buffs etc. and has absolutely nothing to do with pvp. Not to mention it is video of some random thief fighting some random rev. How about you show me some pro league videos from s1-s3 where thieves own people….oh wait lol.
As far as unblockable goes, there is 2 ways: either reduce amount of passives and blocks in game or allow backstab to ignore block if it hit target from behind. The only thing i can do atm (while DH is camping blocks for ages) is land 1 attack with basi venom and then spam choking gas which does like 0 dmg. Great choices~
First Point
If you want to go toe to toe with all other professions then… we must nerf your profession first so that you can’t run away at will when things go south.
Just to remind you that elementalist ride the lightning was nerfed to stop ele from running away when things were bad.
-Guardian can’t run away either if losing, like ele they must stay there eating dirt..till the end, hence the bunkering sustain ( alas it was deleted from ele)
Hey you want to play a brawler that looks like an assassin?..that’s fine for me, we just need to delete the assassin part from thief aka: stealth on demand, shortbow 5 etc etc
Second Point
To defend your point..you always use ESL as a meter, but when attacking a point..you use your day to day soloQ experience. That’s rather convenient don’t you think?
At ESL levels there are no 3-4 DH teams, neither people dieing to traps, am I right?
Third Point
Anet doesn’t nerf because it’s the right thing to do..they nerf because it makes pvers happy and GW2 combat system was adapted for pvers, the casuals that want easy rewards..now, no tomorrow..now
I have no doubts that anet will nerf dh sustain/dmg..they did the same with ele and engi..even if by far less in their case.
But don’t kid yourself, something like unblockable backstab may be given to you because you’re considered a pver…not because you actually deserve it, you’re considered a casual that needs extra help to succeed, the game gets watered down to make things “fun” for you..I bet your stealth brawler type with direct dmg, spells and conditions will look a lot like your Skyrim character..I’m glad for you.
Fourth Point
MMO =/ Single player game
Each profession has a role..if you don’t like the role, you reroll, another company would tell you to reroll if the 1vs1 brawler is what you want…but have no fears, anet will bend over for the thief community..after all they’re only after your money.
I’m sure that you’ll have fun playing your invisible stalker hitting unaware players for 5k+ unblockable dmg..then you will tell them to L2P
1. Ok sure, but then thieves should be at least on same level as revs and mes. Because those are roamers and have great sustain to hold a point. Would anyone like it? Doubt it. And we did have bruiser type of point holder build (s/d) which got gutted and simply lost the run in powercreep race due to lack of attention from dev team.
Druids have RTL on 15 sec, what’s your explanation to it? As druid i can easily cover 2 points with it.
Once again, your whole logic is garbage as long as revs and mesmers exist as they are.
2. At least i bring PVP experience not some wvw in that doesn’t have ANYTHING with pvp.
3. When was last time Anet did anything that thief community asked for? They did indeed nerf the crap out of the class every time average Joe went on wvw forums to QQ.Also, how is stealth attacks nerf have to do ANYTHING with pve.
4. Sure, i would accept that thief has certain role IF other profs couldn’t fill and it bring more to the table at the same time. Once again your logic is garbage as long as revs and mesmers exist and other profs have access to multiple gap closers.
Anet NEVER EVER did anything for thieves, EVER. Their only response was always either nerfs after nerfs or slight buffs that nobody asked for and that often didn’t change anything for thieves.
I am sick and tired of getting flamed and harassed every day just because i play thief class. I can play something else, play like crap, nobody says a word. I play thief – someone talking crap to me is guaranteed. I was called named, i was told to uninstall, i was told to kill myself, people afk’d and ragequit matches before match even started because i didn’t want to reroll. WHY IS THIS OK? DO YOU REALLY THINK THIS IS NOT CLASS BALANCE ISSUE? It was never this bad until HoT came out.
Last season, when DHs weren’t in such great spot i haven’t experienced a single time when they got flamed by team. I bet that block list from thief players is probably longer than from anyone else. But hey, thieves are fine, just don’t put them on my team, right?
