From what i understood it is 30 pips ranger actually. Take 1 guy, he can face people within -+15 pips thus people in +15 pips range face people in -15 pips range.
I think when i was in second half of diamond i was still facing rubies.
Meta is bit better. Matchmaking is terrible. Choosing between s2 and s3 MM is like choosing between horse crap and goat crap, at the end it is still crap. They took worst part of s1 and s2 and mixed them together for s3.
There is a flaw with your suggestion. Sometimes pretty bad players get carried by really good group. There is druid on EU that is outright terrible, most of the time all he does is spamming AA, doesn’t help teammates etc. He is legend now. I saw him getting carried by good teammates he keeps getting because apparently MM decided so.
Long story short, your suggestion doesn’t prevent “less” skilled players from landing in higher divisions and being a dead weight there nor getting farmed at some point.
can’t believe there are people complaining about a gimmicky thief build when the meta scrapper build plays itself and yet is able to reliably beat everything in a 1v1 and output stupid amounts of CC/sustain in teamfights while being essentially immune to any form of burst save for a lucky condition bomb.
at least these “permaevade” thieves are pressing some buttons as opposed to scrappers running around 1v2ing thanks to a bottomless source of stability, high protection uptime, and hammer outputting trueshot/backstab/eviscerate-tier damage on literally every attack (which is why they can play Paladin’s Amulet while no other profession can take the critical damage loss). not to mention the fact that Gyros have made scrapper into turret engie 2.0 except now the turrets can move, don’t die as easily, can stunlock you, and further make scrapper immune to almost all CC thanks to Final Salvo + Perfectly Weighted.
most scrappers even admit that the profession has become so automatic it’s no longer fun to play and yet people are whining about a build that has no way to do ANYTHING against someone properly kiting them. it’s a lame build to play against but it has clear weaknesses unlike actual problematic builds like scrapper’s meta build.
lol, if Scrapper hammer attacks were truly outputing the damage of backstab/True Shot, they’d be usedin PvE raids, which they’re not.
Not that Scrappers aren’t a problem, but let’s not state outright false crap.
pve viability is based on overtime damage not burst, how can you even compare…
nobody in their right mind uses backstab in pve anymore…. fyi
Actually, D/D is still used in PvE, and it’s slightly higher than staff DPS (albeit harder and easier to mess up as a result), and it uses Backstab.
What more do you need to be updated on?
last time i checked people used staff in raids….
point is you compare burst to dps… which are 2 different things
What I dont understand about OP is that season 2 heavily favor high mmr, and if you got legend last season which proves you have an high mmr. Why would you stuck in this season if the system favors high mmr? Also how many games you played? From what I understand you didn’t play much games this season, and just go like" I can’t progress in the first like 8 matches so MM sucks" What? Also screenshots of your total game played so we can get a better understanding of your situation?
Just because you got legend last season doesn’t mean you have high MMR, in fact the more games you played solo the worse you are off. I needed 257 games this season to get legend because of my crap MMR. On new account it would take probably like 60-80.
And i don’t see a problem. Guards are nowhere as in bad state as war/thieves were in s1/2. Other elites need to be toned down more. We don’t need more powercreep.
If guard/dh is so bad off, why am I seeing teams consistently stack with 2-4 DH and win? In my opinion Pro League is pretty much irrelevant to day-to-day PvP.
Once you come out of amber division you start seeing a lot less guardians. Amber players have a tendency to sit in traps and not even know there is a dodge mechanic
can’t believe there are people complaining about a gimmicky thief build when the meta scrapper build plays itself and yet is able to reliably beat everything in a 1v1 and output stupid amounts of CC/sustain in teamfights while being essentially immune to any form of burst save for a lucky condition bomb.
at least these “permaevade” thieves are pressing some buttons as opposed to scrappers running around 1v2ing thanks to a bottomless source of stability, high protection uptime, and hammer outputting trueshot/backstab/eviscerate-tier damage on literally every attack (which is why they can play Paladin’s Amulet while no other profession can take the critical damage loss). not to mention the fact that Gyros have made scrapper into turret engie 2.0 except now the turrets can move, don’t die as easily, can stunlock you, and further make scrapper immune to almost all CC thanks to Final Salvo + Perfectly Weighted.
most scrappers even admit that the profession has become so automatic it’s no longer fun to play and yet people are whining about a build that has no way to do ANYTHING against someone properly kiting them. it’s a lame build to play against but it has clear weaknesses unlike actual problematic builds like scrapper’s meta build.
lol, if Scrapper hammer attacks were truly outputing the damage of backstab/True Shot, they’d be usedin PvE raids, which they’re not.
Not that Scrappers aren’t a problem, but let’s not state outright false crap.
pve viability is based on overtime damage not burst, how can you even compare…
nobody in their right mind uses backstab in pve anymore…. fyi
Fun fact barely anyone played thieves in s1/2 and yet everyone ran bunkers. Do you really think thieves are the reason lol? Pretty sure it has something to do with conquest if anything.
People were running mesmers, one of the other classes I mentioned. And that’s because thieves were nerfed from beta where they were outright ridiculous and everybody was playing one.
But you’re the resident thief class champion, so I don’t expect much from you other than always defending your class. In all your posting history I don’t recall a single time I’ve seen you calling for nerfs to your class.
People were playing chronobunker… BUNKER /facepalm.
That’s 3 years later into an xpac….stop trolling. Mesmer has historically played an offensive roamer role.
They went bunker because thief overshadows shatter/offensive mesmer by a mile, as does revenant. Shatter mesmer can neitehr compete with revenant or thief for offensive roamer.
I was talking about season 1/2 if you didn’t notice…. maybe learn to read first.
Nobody played thief in season 1 and barely anyone in season 2. Revs probably were bigger issue. But the fact stays people would roll bunker with high dmg if they can because of the nature of conquest = you need to hold points. Blaming thief alone for that is plain stupid.
Even before HoT came out, some teams in ESL didn’t run thieves, you think people on enemy team switched builds? No. Because conquest is about bunkering.
Fun fact, frosty was murdering every thief on his way on his mes even before june patch.
OK, I’ve ended my night because I’m too fatigued and depressed to continue.
On the heals of 23 straight losses last night, I just came off an 11 match loss streak.
Are you going to tell me that this matchmaking is in any way “fun”, “fair” or “competitive?” REALLY?
You know when Mesmer started doing better than average it was emergency nerfed. Now Warrior is just crushing it. I’ll wager it will be allowed to do so throughout the season.
You not doing well on mes is your personal issue. Mesmers are really good this season. MM is garbage tho, i agree on that.
Playing other classes helps to know their weakness and to counter them.
Bad rotations are probably main reason why people lose games. Record your games and watch what mistakes were done and what could have done better.
For certain classes you need good reflexes/internet (e.g. shatter mesmer, thief), if you don’t have it you might consider playing something more auto-pilot and tanky (e.g. druid, MM necro).
Always assume your teammates are mindless drones that don’t know wth they are doing, gotta play around that.
DO NOT do road fighting, having point > kills. Points win game, not kills.
Enjoy your “fair” matchmaking…when all those who get said :" git gud" or “l2p” will quit…your queues will never end
I sadly have to say this as well. People with high MMR/good premades got boosted way too fast to legend and now gotta “enjoy” 1 hour queues. I frankly don’t know what you expected.
Fun fact barely anyone played thieves in s1/2 and yet everyone ran bunkers. Do you really think thieves are the reason lol? Pretty sure it has something to do with conquest if anything.
People were running mesmers, one of the other classes I mentioned. And that’s because thieves were nerfed from beta where they were outright ridiculous and everybody was playing one.
But you’re the resident thief class champion, so I don’t expect much from you other than always defending your class. In all your posting history I don’t recall a single time I’ve seen you calling for nerfs to your class.
People were playing chronobunker… BUNKER /facepalm.
I’m saying take it easy for a couple days. You’re ahead of the pack, most people are at like sapphire. Play unraked and in a couple days you can go back to getting your daily ranked.
I haven’t tried unranked, I hope it’s not as bad as ranked.
1 hour queue but i got queue pop lol. So yes, you can get match, just gotta wait.
Are you at t3? I have no courage to do that O.o
The pip range is basically 30 pips so you can still get diamonds in your game (and there are quite few of them now). Queue up and watch a movie or something lol.
Fun fact barely anyone played thieves in s1/2 and yet everyone ran bunkers. Do you really think thieves are the reason lol? Pretty sure it has something to do with conquest if anything.
let evade not count for capping/ decapping like stealth, elixir S etc.
easy to balance, let blocks, protection, reflects, heals etc. not count for capping/decapping
I agree that skills like Obsidian Flesh, Mist Form, Renewed Focus, Disortion, etc. should not count towards capping / decapping like it is already for Elixir S. Also evade (for all classes should not count.
Are you new to game lol? They already don’t affect capping.
No it’s just some time ago since I played those classes. So, why should evade count then?
Ah idk, maybe because classes relying on evades don’t have anything else? Lets also ignore the fact that invuls are instant and evades have cast and aftercast times.
Why don’t we just disable thief from capping/decapping all together to make people like you happy. Lets repeat season 1 where thief players got constantly harassed for simply playing the class.
Once again condi d/d is cheesy as hell but it remains a noob stomper. You ask for nerf to s/d thieves as well which are barely viable atm. Meanwhile we have stupid overtuned crap like scrappers and mesmers facerolling to victory.
As stated in other post one problem can be new players are to high rated. Playing on main or second account should be the same on average. Still and also in my experience on a second account you got a much better winrate, meaning old players carry to much their history in this matchmaking.
and that is why we need MMR reset each season which was promised before xpac came out but never happend
let evade not count for capping/ decapping like stealth, elixir S etc.
easy to balance, let blocks, protection, reflects, heals etc. not count for capping/decapping
I agree that skills like Obsidian Flesh, Mist Form, Renewed Focus, Disortion, etc. should not count towards capping / decapping like it is already for Elixir S. Also evade (for all classes should not count.
Are you new to game lol? They already don’t affect capping.
They admitted that matchmaking builds one team that has high chance to win vs team that has way lesser chance to win. They basically make you lose on purpose so people with higher MMR can move up which results in a lot of losses or huge winstreaks depending on side. You basically never have even matches. Garbage design is garbage.
This game been out for 4 years, i just don’t understand why they refuse to make algorithm that tries to make teams that both have 50% win chance.
If that is truth it makes sense, A matched to a lesser group B, then B matched lesser group called C, and C to D, every one wins at the end, and everyone will continue to play, also might atrack more skrits, i ment pve players to pvp.
Good on paper but in reality you have lower division players being a fodder and having insane loss streaks (check other threads). If anything “the skritts” would rather never touch pvp ever again after such experience.
They admitted that matchmaking builds one team that has high chance to win vs team that has way lesser chance to win. They basically make you lose on purpose so people with higher MMR can move up which results in a lot of losses or huge winstreaks depending on side. You basically never have even matches. Garbage design is garbage.
This game been out for 4 years, i just don’t understand why they refuse to make algorithm that tries to make teams that both have 50% win chance.
Let’s assume Joe is in legend/high diamond and queues solo at night. Let’s assume there is no diamond/legend players online. Obviously Joe will have very long queue time. But will he ever get a match?
The build is very cheesy. I don’t think anyone with a conscience can deny that. However, there IS a break in the evades. It is hard to exploit because your cc needs to be perfect on timing. For example, a thief can easily shut down a d/d build. All you have to do is stun (basilisk) then use instant-cast cc (steal). They very easily melt after that. I really hate to say it, but it is a learn to play issue.
Note that I do not play d/d condi
^^pretty much this.
This guy was playing d/d and dropped within 1 basi hit (needless to say, we won that match too).
And no, i don’t play d/d.
Do thieves have protection? No
Do thieves have invuls? No
Do thieves have high access to blocks? No (besides utility skill from DD)
Do thieves have massive heals? No
Do thieves have high HP to take beating in the face? No
Do thieves have high toughness? No
Do thieves have good condi removal? Not really
Do thieves have high access to aegis or resistance? No
Thieves do have access to stealth which was rendered useless when devs gave engis and revs 6 sec reveal on 20 sec CD.
So what is left? Rrrright, dodges.
SO, how do you expect thieves to survive this madness of condi/aoe/CC spam that was introduced with HoT?
By using dodge, teles, stealths, evades, blinds, and interrupts appropriately and skillfully. The thief build OP is talking about is the death blossom one, which is the skill equivalent of the old turret engi.
But OP doesn’t want thief to have dodges. Stealth is hardly viable due to reasons i listed before. Interrupts don’t work due to high uptime on stab for some classes as well as instant spells. Ports have relative high CDs and don’t save you from damage (sup revs).
DB thief is cheesy as hell but doesn’t kill anyone with brains and dies when focused.
Do thieves have protection? No
Do thieves have invuls? No
Do thieves have high access to blocks? No (besides utility skill from DD)
Do thieves have massive heals? No
Do thieves have high HP to take beating in the face? No
Do thieves have high toughness? No
Do thieves have good condi removal? Not really
Do thieves have high access to aegis or resistance? No
Thieves do have access to stealth which was rendered useless when devs gave engis and revs 6 sec reveal on 20 sec CD.
So what is left? Rrrright, dodges.
SO, how do you expect thieves to survive this madness of condi/aoe/CC spam that was introduced with HoT?
Starts to queue when most good players are already in higher divisions. Pretends he is amazing while getting carried by rigged MM. Thinks he can actually judge other players lel. Completely ignores what dev said. Keep this up man. It is getting entertaining.
Starts to queue when most good players are already in higher divisions. Pretends he is amazing while getting carried by rigged MM. Thinks he can actually judge other players lel. Completely ignores what dev said. Keep this up man. It is getting entertaining.
THIS happend to me in majority of games in season 1 because i played thief, and no, not only notorious afker prince was involved in such actions but quite few other players. You think customer support did anything? Naaah. I met same people every day in matches. And i will probably get banned for this post because claiming that some players harass other players in game is against forum rules apparently even though i have logs and screenshots. The didn’t punish people for harassing player in game but punished the player that got harassed. Let it sink in.
What is even more funny, “prince” player was famous for afking in matches all the time, FOR YEARS!!!!! Anyone on EU knows him for that (i am proud member of his block list). You would think customer support would do something by now……
Interesting. Had an 18 game winning streak snapped, then won 4, got that snapped, currently on a 6 game win streak. Ignore the MM bull crap and just play the kitten game
Totally misses the point in attempt to post some random crap.
No matter how long your character is in stealth, the clones summoned by mesmer in downstate continue to attack your character and ignore stealth. Intentional or a bug?
They can’t even make normal matchmaking (reset mmr at begin of the season, make teams that each have 50% win chance etc.) and you expect them to implement this feature?
This is bad comparison, they are completely different mechanics besides being AoE. Real favoritism is thief/range traps vs DH traps comparison. But it is nothing new really – elite vs core zzzzz.
