Guild Wars 2

Of course its a legitimate tactic, however its based on broken AoE mechanics that Anet hasnt bothered fixing. The fact that there is both a 5 target limit and no limit to the amount that can hit you means zergs always always always have the advantage. The bigger the better. 50 vs 10? No problem, the 10 will struggle to hit everyone due to target limit while each of them in turn can get hit by 25 people.

Anet clearly want this or they wouldnt have gone through such efforts to make it like this.

If a zerg manages to do a perfect veil, followed by all their eles earthquaking and tping to the center of the enemy… They probably deserve to win the fight.

Impossible to counter? No its incredibly easy to counter by tactics that’s existed for thousands of years. Divide and conquer. Scatter the zerg into multiple groups, and smash into the enemy zerg which are now without their eles. Or what, the target zerg to this ele bomb is assumed to not be capable of thinking outside of running in a 40 man single blob? Well then we are back at my first point… They probably deserve to loose.

Did you say Rangers are OP? Then nerf Theives and buff Mesmers. That’ll fix the problem, Anet style.

This evening we where about 5-6 people ram bashing on the SW door of Garrison in the AR borderlands I believe… Defenders knew it. 3 of them had been running inside. We knew that at least one more was inside.

Did they attack? No.
Did they defend? Not really, they made weak attampts at slowing our progress from the walls.

Some 10 minutes after we started, 40+ came veiled out of the door and pretty much instakilled us.

Hilarious. I bet they where proud of pwning us. Pure skillz! Well it wasnt exactly a surprise, lol.

Otherwise, good fights. At least it wasnt all zergs, there where some smaller groups roaming as well.

Well EU still have 13 Medium, 2 High and 12 Very High I believe.

Not that I’d want free transfers to my medium server. Who wants more WvW queues?

RyuDragnier.9476:

But wait…if I recall, aren’t the ranks shared across EVERY CHARACTER ON YOUR ACCOUNT? If so, then how the hell is it killing the use of alts, if every kill you get regardless of character you’re playing helps fill the exact same bar?

Its character bound…

PvP ranks however are account bound. Why on earth they decided to add what is effectly PvP ranks (with bonuses) to WvW and flip the whole system is beyond me.

Either way, I agree. This has killed alts and produced a kittenload of zergs. Oh I still take my alts into WvW at times to level a little, but I keep thinking “Why did I choose this? I have many ranks on my main already and I need many more to get supps, this get me nothing!”

Yes every thief, please do accept his challenge and make this a topic on how perma-stealth is game breaking.

Or we could just skip it and get straight to the point by saying perma-stealth is game breaking?

Hahahaha nah, that’s too easy. Videos pls!

Just another day on Piken…

AR border lands, our “zerg” is about 15 people (only commander on the map). We run towards Dawn, there’s 40+ AR there. We withdraw towards Stargrove, there’s 30+ AR there too. We back out of Stargroove, the 40+ AR previously mentioned start pouring down from the hill. We withdraw south towards hill and a third group with 15+ AR engage us coming up from the bridge.

I am surprised AR didnt call in 40+ reinforcement from the north before engaging us?

Talia.7412:

Weird when tags are a higher priority than the toons themselves. Oft I see just tags running around till the toons eventually appear. But I guess it’s for practical purposes. Nonetheless, yes I agree with the OP. The tags are way too long.

That is part of the “no culling” design. The tag never culls, but the character model can still not be loaded yet.

Anyway… I’d say shorten the name to just server. Dont need defender or invader, it doesnt matter. If we’re on our own borderland we bloody well know they’re all invaders. This name should also be about 2 points smaller than the guild tag, and fade with distance. It should just barely be visible at max range. Titles only display on targetted characters. For friendlies, a similar thing is done but of course the name is kept.

… also dont forget that it doesnt seem like the famed GW2 linear progression is in effect for WXP. Its 1000 for the first few levels but at rank 4 I believe its 2000.

Yay for the new grind!

I estimate ~10 months to get full supply bonus if you’re a casual player, if the requirement continue to rise.

Deff.7903:

good thing is now you can see the zerg

Unless there’s so many nametags in the way you cant even see the zerg :p

I am not really concerned with these zerg battles as they are perfect for an organized 10-15 man guild to do precision/flanking strikes on (you cannot control a zerg or focus damage when its a battle over such a large area). Not facing the zerg alone is more a matter of movement, knowing where you are going and where you can fall back.

More concerned what’s going to happen in next week match, if the Piken zerg start to match the others due to random free transfers, pushing out guilds from WvW :/

Devitz.2136:

Hmm so maybe I will also add something :
- 80-100 people in one BLOB, GG Riverside, it’s simply pathetic that this is the only way you can play this game

To be fair there was an extreme amount of zerging yesterday on all sides. Its was simply unbelievable.

I hope that the coming days will see more guild groups splitting from the zergs… If nothing else to avoid a whole slew of reports to Anet about graphics cards spontanously exploding.

Thedenofsin.7340:

That combo won’t come close to killing even a glass cannon thief. And in WvW, everyone is rocking PVT gear.

A glass cannon thief would by definition not be wearing PVT gear and only have around 12-13K HP, which is easily enough for that combo. I assumed a Mesmer in equal glass cannon gear. Why on earth would everyone have PVT gear when that is dismissed easily just by playing the game and seeing the many variations in builds in action? O.o

Thedenofsin.7340:

Don’t forget that, outside of a 100b warrior or another thief, there really isn’t any class that could kill a thief that quickly.

A Mesmer can range burst down an unwary glass cannon thief in a couple of seconds (GS 4, 2, 3, F1 should just about do it)

Either way, I wonder how much of a nerf this really is. As I have understood it, revealed only occur when you attack from stealth? So if you stealth, appear and then attack you can restealth instantly. Basicly, it only nerf the backstab skill by adding an extra second before the thief can restealth. Which is nothing.

It is quite dissapointing. This does absolutely nothing for multi-veiling zergs or perma-stealth thieves.

Rezzet.3614:

i’d give anything for the physical disks x.x as for why well think about it disks simply install the game while digitally you have to Download the whole thing and then start installing wich takes hours.

With modern games, especially MMOs like GW2, patched content is almost larger than the original disc copy. So even if you install it from the disc, you have to download about as much anyway.

People will probably move to Piken Square thinking “ZOMG medium pop server, we have to help it to tier 2 and even tier 1, they need us!!!!!!!”.

Yeah. T2 with bandwagoners was the worst experience ever for every guild in Piken except the ones that transfered to the enemy side in order to go to T1.

Shootsfoot.9276:

Maybe he got mutated by standing in this pillar of light that transports you anywhere in the world in a fraction of a second.

That’s a ridiculus statement, only 1 in 10,000 Asurans are reported to be turned inside out by the waypoint system and never has mutation occured.

There could be flies with pants. Mutated flies. Its possible. After all it was a corpse fly, wasnt it? It could have stolen the pants from a corpse.

Just as possible as dragons pooping out shining giant chests.

Quickness has always been messed up combined with berserker specs, especially in PvP. Stun, insta-kill (for a thief, before he’s even visible). Personally I enjoy longer duels where counter-play happen, not just button spam for max damage .

Vicarious.3047:

-Give us some way to apply protection… so we can actually bunker :/

The Warrior already does it perfectly in another, more Warrior-esque way – AoE perma weakness. So I dont agree with this. Leave protection to the Guardians.

Peetee.9406:

There is no weak class in WvW, there are weak builds. A grenade engy, a banner warrior, entangle melee ranger, and a blinds necro all bring far more to the table then the D/D ele everyone complains about. Being able to win a 1v1 in WvW doesn’t amount to being useful.

Its pretty usefull if you’re only fighting one person.

There are good roamers and there are bad roamers. Good luck taking on say a Mesmer with a Warrior in solo combat, assuming equal skill. It doesnt matter who’s specced for what, the Warrior wont stand a chance. If he is a glass cannon, he’ll have lost 50-100% of his HP before even reaching the Mesmer. And once he reach him… Well you know. Mesmer.

In groups it doesnt really matter, tactics, skill and dumb luck always win.

Vayle.7964:

only time piken has queue’s is during EU primetime and on EB sometimes during the afternoon, besides, we’re piken… we cap SM with 7 people dps’ing down the inner door without rams because AR doesn’t notice us…

Now, yes… But remember when the last free transfer bandwagon was upon Piken? 2-3 hour queues or more. Established guilds couldnt even get people into WvW. Lately its actually been fun to play GW2 again, even though the enemy zerg always seem larger.

I fear this free transfer to medium servers will be a new shining beacon to bandwagoners thinking “ZOMG A MEDIUM POP IN TIER 3 THAT MUST BE AWESOME!!!!” only to push out existing players. I wish we where high pop, but the PvE population remain low. Need more roleplayers in Divinity

But maybe I am just a Doomsayer. I still will not convince the OP :p

WHAT?!

Well there goes the community. Piken Square WvW already have enough queues during primetime (even after RG/SiN/etc left, we where just getting settled in the new order of things) but of course since we are the only high tier medium pop server, we get kitten over by Anet once again.

Not happy and will definetly not try to convince anyone.

Utha.8209:

Too bad you décided to play Le monobus tonight PS on RS border as we were in guild group and we never found à PS group alone and Necr, SOE,,SFRJ and WIC later is too much for our 30 group Écho + friendlies !!! We will have to come back to basic !!!

You had your chance :p

SU attempted to lure out Echo from bay and engage in a favorable position by our keep… We where just 10 people and we saw that you where 30+, there was no way we where going to engage you on a flat field. But you didnt bite. Quite dissapointing.

When we finally did engage, I believe it was SPRT that smacked into your side as well, cant remember. But we wiped you good

Also, PS has little in terms of opposition for a 30 man guild. That is a HUGE number for PS… Only a few guilds can muster that amount. Most run smaller 10-20 groups, if even that.

Both RS and AR overestimate the strength of our pugs and random commander groups, often leading to their own demise. There’s been so many times I have just thought “WHAT ARE THEY THINKING?!?!” when a huge guild of 30+ withdraw or scatter from a smaller PS pug commander group. Culling that bad, lol? Or are we really that good?!

Wait this is a trick question right?

The answer is… Zerg.

VOLKON.1290:

It may be subtle, but WvW will change from this. Zergs will be seen from a distance now charging to their destinations, scouts will be able to report more reliable intel as a result more quickly. Defenses can be mustered faster, I see great battles ensuing where before easy flips would happen.

Of course, I’m an optimist. But… things will change, in a good way.

… and to counter it, people will gather in even larger zergs to flip keeps easier and faster before being scouted, resulting in more ability and graphics lag than we have ever seen before.

Of course, I’m a pessimist.

In theory and by the math, sword has lower dps than axe and greatsword while hammer and mace is lower still.

BUT a condition build become quite strong in wvw because so many focus on pure dps and forget about defense.
Even with a group based tanky spec (no condition damage at all really) I rely on my sword and rifle when solo roaming, just to get an edge in terms of bleed damage.

Asurans have open toes because they like to feel what they are walking on, especially people.

kazi.6438:

This kind of thing has led me to believe that there is very little to the upper tiers beyond numbers and voice chat.

Oh there isnt. AR is exactly the same in the current matchup. Piken is the smallest high tier server in EU and we literally face a neverending zerg no matter how many times we wipe them. But T2 was far, far worse as a zerg was the only way to get anywhere on a map. Least fun I have had in the game.

Either way, it does lend itself to long defensive battles

I think the longest I have seen was a ~2 hour battle inside the SM lord room. Basicly, the entire server was there lol. Skills took 30s-1m to pop, so we could barely kill each other. It was just chaos.

I would add something to it… pick a suitable class/build as a leader. Unless its a random disorganized zerg where a leader can point fingers from the rear and hope for the best or a very small support group, a leader need to be able to stand in the thick of things and survive, especially if its a very tight melee train type setup going up against forces 2-3x your size. If you go berserker dps thief (or whatever) you’re being very selfish and will drop like a stone in battles. Being able to rally your men after a failed (or successfull) charge is critical – dead men cant rally. Nor inspire people for that matter.

Just lost Bay in Piken border to Augery after having capped it some 30 mins ago… But fantastic battles, lol. Wave after wave of zergs and we beat them back until the end. Augery has some serious manpower. BLAK in particular, very good play. How many do you roll with? It look like 40+. The largest organized guild presence on Pikens side there was like… 6 people, lol.

But running around picking loot bags is half the fun!

I do think they should change the design a bit though – loot bags should drop on corpses and in return be automaticly picked up when you run over them. That way we keep loot bags, but avoid button spam.

I wish Anet would post some statistic about WvW, such as siege usage.

Every time Piken attack a Riverside keep there are like 10 arrowcarts and its automaticly filled with defenders crawling out between every crack in the stone walls. It doesnt matter if we are 5 people making a meh attempt at scratching on the wall, the keeps are defended as if 50 people are attack with a dozen catapults.

It was the exact same thing last time we met Riverside. Ze crazy Germans, sigh.

You can get some fun rare things, but otherwise no, its seriously not worth it. I bought 20 keys and got absolutely nothing interesting. ONE lousy BL salvage kit, a ton of worthless boosters/tonics, miniscule amounts of silver (maybe 30) and guild influence. Oh and of course 5 keys, which opened another 5 useless chests with nothing interesting.

Waste of time, waste of money. Do something fun for them instead. Like leveling a char from 0 to 80 with crafting.

Go against the standards!

Charr Mesmer (max/fattest size of course) is quite hilarious to see.

Personally I use a Norn though. Cant say no to giant boobs.

Norn tier 2 light looks awesome with proper coloration IMO. One of the prettiest armours in the game, at least on females. And you look like a flying squid when jumping, thats a bonus.

World completion and 95% puzzles on a max size, fattest body type Charr.
Yes, I am that 1337. Or size doesnt matter, I dont know.

Zenith.6403:

Perhaps even more daunting is the 500,000 caravan escorts achievement. Escort 137 per day, killing the guy of last paragraph who’s coming with his razor-edge perfect caravan-killing build.

What do you mean?

It seems perfectly reasonable to spend 10 years of your life and 12 hours every day just escorting dolyaks in GW2. Its an achievement!

You know what the hard counter to a burst build is?

A bunker build.

Yep its that easy. You said it yourself, 95% are bunkers. And the Mesmer is one of the strongest bunkers there is. So I dont really see what you are after? If you’re playing a burster in PvP, all bunkers will be strong against you. That’s the entire point.

If you’re facing glass cannons in WvW, a burst mesmer laugh at them. I have burned down low HP thieves and guardians so fast they have literally turned around and fled before even engaging me. BAM down to 20% HP in 1 second (berserker, swordtoss and spike hitting at pretty much the same time, nevermind the shatter). Most noticable when you see multiple people stand and attack a downed character while his HP steadily goes down, then you come in with your Mesmer and poof HP bar gone.

Awesome video and great soloing, but its really just abusing the AI by having one player. I have never seen the spider just stand still against a group and spew posion in exactly the same position, it always randomly target you and move around, which is what kills most people that doesnt react quick enough.

I am curious about one thing, seeing all these solo videos – does dungeon encounters scale to player count just like world events/bosses or is it fixed?

Nah it doesnt really matter.

Well, except for one class: Ranger. It breaks most dungeon content due to the kitten pet mechanics (at least the necro can put/spec away pets).

Anyone doing dungeons with a ranger is either a troll or someone that thought “ZOMGPEWPEWUNICORNBOW!!!!!!” when creating their class.

Well increased burn damage+condition damage traits and bleed on crit/AoE bleed on weapon swap should cause some damage. Question is if its enough to be usefull.

Got to remember to try that in pvp sometime, lol.

By far the most fun thing to do with a warrior in wvw: watch a confident thief stealth and wait for the inevitable attack…

/wave
backstab
heartseeker
heartseeker!
heartseeker!!!
heartseeker!!!!!!!!!
/laugh
Walk away with 75%+ HP while the thief flee or has killed himself.

So yeah it doesnt matter how much the warrior suck, that alone make it worth it.

Nuzt.7894:

Anatolian Turk.4057:

i see another thread of NA tier 8, arent you guys tired from making this threads already? i know it must be hard on the two other servers but this wont solve the problem

They won’t be happy until they completely screw the rest of the tiers because aparently theirs is more important.

Transfers are available, if your that unhappy, transfer.

If you are unhappy, give Anet some money as thanks for giving you a broken system and screw it even more for those poor schmucks still on the server! Because that’s what you are saying.

Dancing around the issue is not really a solution, is it?

It doesnt really matter what part of the game is to blame, there is a problem with the scoring system in low tiers. Anet cant change the minds of the players if they’ve given up, but they sure as hell have the power to help the situation by modifying the match making system. Low tiers shouldnt be black holes with no way out. At the very least, there should be a lower limit to the scoring.

AmBoSS.7129:

Now the question is…are you just saying that or is that really true? Because I believe most of the people just think that warriors and guardians are this strong and whatever

lol… havent you played the classes? Both are the top dogs indeed in PvE. Engineer, Thief and ranger are lowest of the low. Not that they are bad, but because they serve no purpose. They will also have trouble matching good pve and wvw builds.

Warriors in particular can pretty much build however they want. I have a 28K HP/2200 toughness axe/shield Warrior that is still appreciated in dungeons when the silly glasscannons get roflstomped. Dont even have to go with a lol100blades build.

No one run Arah because its tedious and pointless compared to dungeons that take 1/10th the time to complete and give the same loot.

If you really do want to do Arah runs, primetime or with a guild is your only hope. On Piken its hard to even get groups for normal dungeons, due to the average population.

That is culling, not LoD draw distance. The engine choose not to render it irrelevant of distance. Yes, everyone has it.
We’ll see if the march patch really does remove it.

kitten? They are going to boost the already pretty usefull 95% uptime banners yet do nothing about the worthless battle standard which is supposed to be an elite skill?!

Endemonadia.8593:

Its getting frustrating that we r losing to numbers and not skill and tactics

Well that’s when you step up the game and get better at dealing with zergs

Had some great battles on Piken borderlands tonight where we faced enemy forces 2x-3x our size, had to rely on pugs keeping them busy while we punched through them with melee.

Both Gandara and Augury has a tendancy to scatter fast if they loose the twice outmanning edge, when they could have turned the battle easily so many times :/