Guild Wars 2

Ooo, nice find Zax.

Another option is to RP the constant struggle of your Legion with the Iron Legion there.

As belzebu said, there is no playable race/class combos that are actually against the lore. They may not be the sterio typical poster child of said profession but all classes have lore built around them that make it so they are lore friendly to all races.

maybe actual physical sex wasn’t necessary. Perhaps Mal had a heated dream and nine months later a bouncing baby god was born.

To clarify what wanderer said, a-net has stated that they can eat what everyone else can eat. They actually need to eat food. But they enjoy sitting in the sun and it invigorates them. They just can’t live on the energy from photosynthesis.

Eggman.1405:

TyPin.9860:

Lol, you are cherry picking aspects to support your argument here. Skritt for instance are essentially large rats and you don’t complain there. You just don’t like that polar bears and the Kodan look much alike. But that is not a real argument against how the Kodan race is implemented in GW2.

Well, I’m not really making an argument, I’m supporting an opinion. As an opinion it isn’t provable or disprovable. I mentioned that even though GW2 has the Skritt and rats, the rats are so small and play such an insignificant part of the game that they don’t warrant comparison to Skritt- same with the Hylek and frogs. I also said that this isn’t a black-or-white issue, not everything is. I don’t call it `cherry picking` to point out that my shades of grey are different than somebody else’s.

Anyways I don’t get why people are hung up on that point. There doesn’t seem to be any real argument that the Kodan aren’t the poorest-developed friendly race in the game. It’s okay for you (the faceless people on the Internet, not any one person who posted here) to agree with this and still say you liked them.

people are hung up on this point because you specifically bullet pointed it in order for it to stand out. But since you (clarified?) your parameters as to what qualifies as acceptable to you, it all seems very silly at all. The qualifications to your opinion of acceptability lack any form of consistency. And you’ve all but stated that there needs to be little rhyme or reason to the topic at hand. So, I guess all there really is left to say is “Thank you for sharing……”. shrug

What the Thorp said ^

In a multiplayer game, no one build can be the best against every other build. Each one has it’s own weakness.

it’s the animations for a lot of people.

There was an asura warrior in Sea of Sorrows. He was burly for his people and he fought smart with a hammer. So they don’t all need to be over-powering to win. Especially if they use other weapons like swords and rifles.

Eggman.1405:

Dustfinger.9510:

All non-playable races are like that.

I don’t really buy that. There’s a world of difference between the Kodan and the Quaggan- why would being non-playable be a good excuse for poor development?

Considering the grawl, hyleck, skritt, and jotun, the quaggan seem to be the exception to the rule because they provide more benefit to a-net than simply another non-playable race to fill the world. A-net is incentivized to continue to develop the quaggan as they provide a cute factor that draws a specific fan base.

Angel McCoy.1832:

ElysianEternity.6215:

In this special case I’d say, it’d be good form to inform us at least why the age of the secondborn was changed or what the real lore is now.

We did not believe we were changing canon. The official canon is that Scarlet was born in 1304 and it was around that time that the other Secondborn were also being born.

Hello, you guys are doing a great job. keep up the good work.

I’ve noticed a problem and had a possible fix for this in mind that I just haven’t gotten around to implementing. The problem is that the interview sites periodically go down and we lose the information. The possible fix is to create a wiki page verbatim of each interview. Make it uneditable as it is an exact record of what has been said. That way on all the other wiki pages, the source references can just reference those uneditable pages.

The source links on those uneditable pages can still be linked to the origioanle interview site but if that site goes down the information remains in tact and we can still see which site the information was originally on.

All non-playable races are like that. Don’t expect too much variations in the models unless they become playable. Though, the mythology is a lot deeper than just the quasi Sun Tsu phrases the NPC’s keep repeating.

As far as the fans go, I think we see the potential of the race since being non-playable means a-net doesn’t already fill in the details. But the ground work is well laid.

Basaltface.2786:

Dustfinger.9510:

Zach.3264:

Snipers are meant to be stealthy. Having a large Panther/Wolf etc wouldn’t exactly aid you in being stealth-like.

Panthers can be pretty stealthy. <.<

and slap a ninja headband on a bear and its a ninja too XD Sry couldnt resist

Ever seen a ninja bear? Exactly! They’re almost over qualified.

(in all seriousness though, bears are ambush predators :P)

So, you staying or leaving?

Zach.3264:

Snipers are meant to be stealthy. Having a large Panther/Wolf etc wouldn’t exactly aid you in being stealth-like.

Panthers can be pretty stealthy. <.<

‘Species’ is a broadly used term but one of it’s definitions includes being able to interbreed so you are both correct.

RedStar.4218:

Dustfinger.9510:

No one person can predict all questions and concerns and because the more people you have to help create lore to address more possibilities, the greater chance there is that incinsistancies will arise. They are inevitable

Once again, we are talking about a 4 year difference. Not someone being brought back from the dead or Faolain becoming a man or Jennah suddenly becoming a terrible mesmer.
This is a 4 year difference that can only be seen on a plaque in a spot few people bother to go to. Oh and that has been printed on shirts.

That’s my story for this change being needed : they had already printed the shirts.

dicrepencies are inevitable.

jheryn.8390:

Dustfinger.9510:

jheryn.8390:

Dustfinger.9510:

jheryn.8390:

Dustfinger.9510:

jheryn.8390:

What people are trying to say is not that all lore has been thrown out the window, but that it can be.

If this is all they’re saying then they are right. This is how it works. Lore continually gets created. Since fallible humanity won’t be able to check every angle of every aspect there is inevitable inconsistencies. In order to deal with those inconsistancies, creators can go different routes. They can try to come up with a way for both things to be true. They can create a lore information higher archy. Or they can just leave it as an inconsistency.

But raging about the inevitable is childish and useless.

Did you actually read what I posted before you replied? Again, this isn’t about inconsistencies or new lore being created. This is about retconning existing lore where it does not need to be changed.

It is not how it works. It is lazy and sloppy. If lore can just be thrown out the window at will, then why have any? Why have a forum for it by the same people who now say it is changeable at will?

People aren’t “raging”, they are expressing their concern and disappointment. Saying such things just inflames the argument. It certainly doesn’t add anything constructive to it.

Unless you work for anet you can’t say wether it doesn’t need to be changed or not.

however, read what I actually posted. They can ignore an inconcisency or they can address it. They chose to address it so that it isn’t an inconsistency. I’d rather have inconsistancies address that way there is actual lore to discuss.

Let me ask, how would you have dealt with the inconsistency?

Let me answer your question with another question, if you actually read what I posted then why do continue to bring up inconsistencies?

because addressing the inevitability of inconsistancies actually addresses you concerns.
So, how would you have dealt with it?

No it doesn’t address my concerns. Again for the xth time, my concerns have nothing to do with inconsistencies.

They are based in lore malleability which is made necessary by inevitable inconsistancies. Lore has always been malleable. It’s the reason we have rational charr and inaccurate human records.

RedStar.4218:

Dustfinger.9510:

In HP he game is based on the books. So the higherarchy is still established.

Same with StarWars. ‘L canon’ superceeds the games and the books and the comics and the movies.

And in GW2, the lore is based on…the game ? Weird, GW1 and the interviews were there before GW2 was released.

And again, in HP or SW, the people who worked on the book/movies aren’t the same who worked on the games and animes and other things.
In GW2, those who work on the lore are the same persons who did the interviews and released the short stories and not the same who worked on GW1.

So saying GW1 lore is susceptible is change, while annoying, is more or less accepted. Saying the GW2 lore team don’t know their kitten during interviews isn’t.

No one person can predict all questions and concerns and because the more people you have to help create lore to address more possibilities, the greater chance there is that incinsistancies will arise. They are inevitable

jheryn.8390:

Dustfinger.9510:

jheryn.8390:

Dustfinger.9510:

jheryn.8390:

What people are trying to say is not that all lore has been thrown out the window, but that it can be.

If this is all they’re saying then they are right. This is how it works. Lore continually gets created. Since fallible humanity won’t be able to check every angle of every aspect there is inevitable inconsistencies. In order to deal with those inconsistancies, creators can go different routes. They can try to come up with a way for both things to be true. They can create a lore information higher archy. Or they can just leave it as an inconsistency.

But raging about the inevitable is childish and useless.

Did you actually read what I posted before you replied? Again, this isn’t about inconsistencies or new lore being created. This is about retconning existing lore where it does not need to be changed.

It is not how it works. It is lazy and sloppy. If lore can just be thrown out the window at will, then why have any? Why have a forum for it by the same people who now say it is changeable at will?

People aren’t “raging”, they are expressing their concern and disappointment. Saying such things just inflames the argument. It certainly doesn’t add anything constructive to it.

Unless you work for anet you can’t say wether it doesn’t need to be changed or not.

however, read what I actually posted. They can ignore an inconcisency or they can address it. They chose to address it so that it isn’t an inconsistency. I’d rather have inconsistancies address that way there is actual lore to discuss.

Let me ask, how would you have dealt with the inconsistency?

Let me answer your question with another question, if you actually read what I posted then why do continue to bring up inconsistencies?

because addressing the inevitability of inconsistancies actually addresses you concerns.
So, how would you have dealt with it?

Hjorje.9453:

Dustfinger.9510:

jheryn.8390:

Dustfinger.9510:

jheryn.8390:

What people are trying to say is not that all lore has been thrown out the window, but that it can be.

If this is all they’re saying then they are right. This is how it works. Lore continually gets created. Since fallible humanity won’t be able to check every angle of every aspect there is inevitable inconsistencies. In order to deal with those inconsistancies, creators can go different routes. They can try to come up with a way for both things to be true. They can create a lore information higher archy. Or they can just leave it as an inconsistency.

But raging about the inevitable is childish and useless.

Did you actually read what I posted before you replied? Again, this isn’t about inconsistencies or new lore being created. This is about retconning existing lore where it does not need to be changed.

It is not how it works. It is lazy and sloppy. If lore can just be thrown out the window at will, then why have any? Why have a forum for it by the same people who now say it is changeable at will?

People aren’t “raging”, they are expressing their concern and disappointment. Saying such things just inflames the argument. It certainly doesn’t add anything constructive to it.

Unless you work for anet you can’t say wether it doesn’t need to be changed or not.

however, read what I actually posted. They can ignore an inconcisency or they can address it. They chose to address it so that it isn’t an inconsistency. I’d rather have inconsistancies address that way there is actual lore to discuss.

Let me ask, how would you have dealt with the inconsistency?

Let me ask you, why was there an inconsistency? There wasn’t one before this episode of LS2 came out. So why did a change have to be made?

Because inconsistancies are inevitable. No one person can predict all questions and concerns and because the more people you have to help create lore to address more possibilities, the greater chance there is that incinsistancies will arise. They are inevitable.

RedStar.4218:

Dustfinger.9510:

Let me ask, how would you have dealt with the inconsistency?

I don’t know, if I worked on the lore team, maybe by saying she was born in 1308 since that way everything is fine.

Unless you knew something about future plans that would have ensured everything wasn’t fine.

RedStar.4218:

This whole thing is starting to be funny. “Because everywhere else it works this way, of course it’s going to be the same thing with GW”.

But hey, for the kitten of it, let’s delve deeper.

Take Harry Potter. Does the game’s lore supercedes the Books ?

In HP he game is based on the books. So the higherarchy is still established.

Same with StarWars. ‘L canon’ superceeds the games and the books and the comics and the movies.

jheryn.8390:

Dustfinger.9510:

jheryn.8390:

What people are trying to say is not that all lore has been thrown out the window, but that it can be.

If this is all they’re saying then they are right. This is how it works. Lore continually gets created. Since fallible humanity won’t be able to check every angle of every aspect there is inevitable inconsistencies. In order to deal with those inconsistancies, creators can go different routes. They can try to come up with a way for both things to be true. They can create a lore information higher archy. Or they can just leave it as an inconsistency.

But raging about the inevitable is childish and useless.

Did you actually read what I posted before you replied? Again, this isn’t about inconsistencies or new lore being created. This is about retconning existing lore where it does not need to be changed.

It is not how it works. It is lazy and sloppy. If lore can just be thrown out the window at will, then why have any? Why have a forum for it by the same people who now say it is changeable at will?

People aren’t “raging”, they are expressing their concern and disappointment. Saying such things just inflames the argument. It certainly doesn’t add anything constructive to it.

Unless you work for anet you can’t say wether it doesn’t need to be changed or not.

however, read what I actually posted. They can ignore an inconcisency or they can address it. They chose to address it so that it isn’t an inconsistency. I’d rather have inconsistancies address that way there is actual lore to discuss.

Let me ask, how would you have dealt with the inconsistency?

lordkrall.7241:

Maybe this is a good reason why they should never do any more lore interviews, or even talk about anything in the game outside of previews of content?

This. Takes care of the rage and makes sure there is never any interest generated in the lore to begin with.

RedStar.4218:

Dustfinger.9510:

RedStar.4218:

JMadFour.9730:

again, le sigh.

And again you can’t explain their reasoning aside from “It’s Anet, they can do whatever they want”.

So JMad not working for anet is somehow proof of something?

It’s proof that his missing the point. Why bother outright telling us “don’t believe our interviews” when it everything was fine if she had be born in 1308.

This isn’t a change in order to tell a greater story. This isn’t a change to make things consistent.
It’s a change because ? Well aside from not keeping tabs on dates, I can’t figure out how making Secondborns 6 years younger is any important.

Maybe there’s going to be major plot showing this change to be extremely important. Or not.

Unless you actually work for anet you can’t say what the reason is or isn’t. Maybe it really is important to future content.

jheryn.8390:

Dustfinger.9510:

jheryn.8390:

I think many are missing a key point. It isn’t just that some minor date has been changed, it is the fact that things are being changed at all.

In any large world lore, inconcistancies are inevitable. Because they are created as we go. They aren’t based on actual event that we can just look back on. planning can help minimize it but there will always be things that need changing.

Again, it isn’t inconsistencies that people are complaining about, it is the fact that the lead writer for ANet said lore is malleable. Meaning they can change it at a whim.

Large world lore or not, saying that continuity is meaningless is just pure disregard for the content that came before it. Many people play this game for the story solely. Many people play it for the story as well as the skills. That is why lore and consistency is important to people.

They have one of two choices.

- leave it inconsistent so that lore fans have no direction

-provide a direction so that there is actually lore to discuss.

In the inevitable inconsistency, lore is always malleable.

jheryn.8390:

What people are trying to say is not that all lore has been thrown out the window, but that it can be.

If this is all they’re saying then they are right. This is how it works. Lore continually gets created. Since fallible humanity won’t be able to check every angle of every aspect there is inevitable inconsistencies. In order to deal with those inconsistancies, creators can go different routes. They can try to come up with a way for both things to be true. They can create a lore information higher archy. Or they can just leave it as an inconsistency.

But raging about the inevitable is childish and useless.

RedStar.4218:

JMadFour.9730:

again, le sigh.

And again you can’t explain their reasoning aside from “It’s Anet, they can do whatever they want”.

So JMad not working for anet is somehow proof of something?

JMadFour.9730:

therapite.3645:

What I don’t understand is how you adopt an attitude of ‘it only counts if it’s in the game’ when you publish written pieces out of the game itself and consider them backstory or fluff. That’s entirely inconsistent.

that’s not the attitude they are adopting.

Game Lore trumps books and Interviews, but that DOES NOT mean that the Books and Interviews don’t exist or “count”.

Books and Interviews are Canon, unless the Game contradicts them.

I don’t see what is so hard to understand about this.

This. Is this the first game lore that people have started exploring? As lore continues to grow inconsitencies are inevitable. Because it is created by fallible humanity. Go figure.

jheryn.8390:

I think many are missing a key point. It isn’t just that some minor date has been changed, it is the fact that things are being changed at all.

In any large world lore, inconcistancies are inevitable. Because they are created as we go. They aren’t based on actual event that we can just look back on. planning can help minimize it but there will always be things that need changing.

Eluveitie.1290:

Dustfinger.9510:

Don’t fotget Star Wars. large world canon has always had a higher archy to deal with the inevitable inconsistancies. Not sure why it is suddenly a problem now.

Probably the Star Wars fans, the ones as dedicated as here that are mad, do lash out and are mad at those inconsistancies however small they are.

Edit: Still haven’t gotten an anwser as why it is thought that Bloodstones are retconned. And the calendar thing… 5 days? Is it really THAT kitten important? It’s been months and some of the people here can’t forget that like if it was some major lore breaking point. It’s not good, but wow, it’s not THAT bad.

The SW fans generally understand the different higher archies of cannon. In any SW lore forum we find them clarifying any inconsisyancies as a natural part of discussion.

Don’t fotget Star Wars. large world canon has always had a higher archy to deal with the inevitable inconsistancies. Not sure why it is suddenly a problem now.

TyPin.9860:

But it is interfering still. The six are a pathetic bunch. It’s like bringing a child into the world, what you have always cared for, but then suddenly you go away and tell it: “grow on your own”. In the same time you send still signs of your existence and caring onto this child and thus sparking the false hope in it that you might return. That is psychological torment. If I’d life in Tyria I would either be very angry at those gods (when being human) or try to study them so I can find them and teach them what happens, when you abandon the people you have set yourself out to care about.

This happens all the time. Some children simply won’t fly on their own unless you push them out of the nest. Or kick them out of the house. or stop paying their credit card bill, etc.

We know the 6 had been interfering with humanity from the time they brought them to tyria. It’s only recent that they have stopped. But we know why they stopped from the devs not because of any ingame expalnation form the gods themselves.

The canonical answer is a mix of what everyone here said. The asura as a society are not “good”. They are devious and calculating, even amongst themselves. One of the personal story options is to save a crew member or leave him to his fate. if you save him you are warned that your sentimentality is a weakness that could get exploited (paraphrase). Also, there is various NPC dialog around the world like an asura asking a charr inventor what kindof inventor doesn’t have expendable lab assistants.

So the answer is really that while there are some asura that detest the inquest and their methods, there are also plenty of asura that support them. To the point that they even have sympathisers on the council.

racials are generally subpar. No reason to make your decision based on them.

lakdav.3694:

The moral of the story may not be about killing just Mordremoth, but all the dragons.

This is a good point. perhaps the “rash” decision is that killing the dragons that are a natural part of tyria could have dire consequences. We may need to look for a new bloodstone solution rather than a drastically alter the ecosystem solution.

If the norn and jotun survived the last rise, there may be other options available.

very nice find. Thank you.

I think it all depends on why she based them off of humanity. As I said, it may not even have been a conscious decision on her part. It’s all dependant on the mechanics behind it.

We don’t really know a lot of specific motivation behind them. Beating somebody up if it’s convenient while your already doing something else is going to look really similar to doing it just for the sake of doing it if we don’t know what that the real goal is.

“However, because the race tightly relates to the essence of human due to the Pale Tree’s influences from Ronan, //They are a collection of abstract notions the Pale Tree had about what made up the human, as she really only saw the surface. They are a tree’s interpretation of humans.” http://www.talktyria.net/2011/08/11/sylvari-lore-interview-with-ree-soesbee-kristen-perry/

“Yes, sylvari are based (by the Pale Tree’s creation) on a ‘human’ model. But, they are still a representation of the human form by something that is not human.” http://gaygamer.net/2011/10/interview_guild_war_2s_ree_soe.html

Here’s a couple good links with some good info that addresses why sylvari have a human form. Note, however, that while they are confirmed to be the Pale Trees interpretation of humanity, we don’t know if it is intentional or not.

maybe there was simply more human interaction compared to one lone centaur. Or maybe the Pale Tree saw the benefit of looking humanoid through the Dream or through a conscious decision. She might have noticed a common relationship between dogs and people. those details are unclear.

Though, as Konig said, Myleck doesn’t disprove the information, he is simply a mystery with no clarification yet. Maybe the other Tree also had interaction with humans or maybe our Pale Trees interaction somhow affected the other Tree.

So there still may be a relationship toward the mists straining toward creation and the ability of the Pale Tree to base the sylvari off of humanity due to interaction with Rowan. It just depends on the exact relationship between the Mists and the Dream.

“They gain enjoyment from sitting in the sunlight—and it invigorates them—but can’t live on it as plants do.” – Ree Soesbee, Dream and Nightmare

“They do have a stomach area in their body, it does decompose material just like a humans would and then uses that material to fuel the body.” -Ree Soesbee, Wartower Interview

Arantheal.7396:

I don’t get these scrubs…
Turrets are part of the game, so better learn about how to counter them or stop complaining.
“HURR DURR turrets take no skill” or “HURR DURR nerf this kitten” will bring you nowhere but in downstate.

This^

Reminds me of “Low kicks are cheese mode. They shouldn’t be allowed!” from every 12 year old playing any new sidescroll fighting game ever.

Favorites: Skritt, Hyleck and Dredge.

Least favorites: Quaggan… ugg!

I think a big factor is in the motivation. pirates don’t automatically commit atrocities. remember, Cobiah Mariner and crew were pirates. In a pirate subculture, the rules may be loose but the Captains will is law. Unless that captain is a Courtier, they aren’t going to go out of their way to endanger the crew and the ships in order to commit atrocities the way a Courtier would. For pirates primary motivation may be advaenture and money. While not mutually exclusive, eventually the motivations and ideaologies are going to clash in a big way because unless the captain enjoys atrocities for atrocities sake, it won’t be enough for true believers like the Courtiers.

6. It can be a holy sword. But the term ‘holy’ has diffrent connotations in some cultures than it does in others. A common theme in primal religions is that all life is a symbol of the sacred. There is no separation between living and worshipping. So holy ‘positive’ and negative’ aspects are both sides of the same coin. In mythologies like these, holy weapons are subject to the weilder. It almost guarentees them greatness in their endeavors but they often have no overarching guidline that they need to adhere to. or, depending on the domain of which god empowered the weapon, the guidelines have nothing to do with ‘good’ and ‘bad’. It makes the relics especially dangerous if they are placed in the wrong hands.

I get the feeling OP was killed easily by this thief and now he’s trying to say the build is OP. If that’s true, the overwhelming response in this thread seems to be that you are a bad if you die so easily.

Wanderer.3248:

The old pen and paper RPG game Mage, had what they called coincidental magic, versus vulgar magic. Vulgar magic was fireballs, bolts of lightning, and other obvious forms of magic. Coincidental magic was less obvious. Things that seemed like improbable feats, but weren’t as showy.

Most warrior skills, like shouts, stances, banners or even unnatural strength or speed could be seen as coincidental magic.

That reminds me of a book I read. “The Dawn People”. Based in pre European North America, there’s a witch who is known for her evil magic. But the way magic works is that it’s so subtle that you wonder if it is even real while reading. (No ‘vulgar magic’ as you say) With the only real confirmation being the ghost of her dead twin following her around trying to right the wrongs she causes.

Quakeman.9378:

. If they stand still while your in stealth, they deserve to die.

This. ^

OP, I ain’t mad at ya but killing noobs is easy. Fun… but easy. Glad someone rolled thief. Now there will be one less qq about how thievs are OP since you’ve chosen to take up the keys to the kingdom and learn the class.

yeah. I suppose what I was remembering was the overall tone of what I read rather than the devs explicitly saying that they are more primevil. However, I think I may not be explaining the concept clearly. Even though magic as a whole is inate in Tyria, it doesn’t mean all forms are just naturally known. as you said, the guardian is a very modern profession. And as the devs said, we get a feel of the heritage and body of knowledge behind the elementalist. So there is a difference inconcepts that I am speaking on. rather than simply addressing “magic is natural in Tyria” which is known.

In order for the elementalist to have a heritage and a body of knowledge, it seems there would have to have been an evolution of the magic knowledge into what it is today. Some sort of evolution and development. that is the heritage behind schooling. We do know that while most everyone has magic today, the ways of accessing it are extremely varied.

So while magic is innate, the training for elementaists or any other profession isn’t.

I chose the word primevil specifically because of it’s primitive ancient connotation. Primitive and primeval are not mutually exclusive. Primeval refers to a most basic and original form of something. Not simply an old history the way a heritage implies. So you are very correct that my post had heavy philosophical overtones. Pimeval is a synoym of primordial. meaning “the first form”.

So to clarify, I’m not saying that guardians are an old proffession. I’m saying the way they access magic seems to be more basic and closer to the natural way a person is born with than an elementalist who learns this “great body of knowledge” with a great “heritage” behind their spells. As opposed to simply using “magical energy”. That’s how a profession can be fairly new while still having primeval methods.

I look at the contrast of heritage and body of knowledge as opposed to what the guardian has. it doesn’t mean the guardian magic isn’t refined or lacks thought. But without a needed learned heritage or body of knowlege behind it it seems like it is more tied to the human (charr/asura/etc) condition. rather than pure schooling. Which makes it more primevil. it is accessed in the heat of combat. Combat is as ancient as humanity in RL. It has a practical application which makes it pragmatic. Pure students of any schooling in delicate and complicated matters however, isn’t so ancient or primitive. violence seems to be more core than learning for the sake of learning.

it seems to me it is similar to boxing. Boxing is a martial sport. refined over centuries into a highly effective artform. The basis for it however really just boils down to hitting somebody with your fists in order to bring your opponent to his doom. Nobody needs to teach children how to hit with their fists. It’s natural. it’s a core that can be refined into something greater without losing it’s core identity.

The very thing that would make guardian magic simpler is what makes it primevil. Things are simpler when they are tied closer to what comes naturally. e.g.: it is simpler for an ape to hit with it’s fists while it is simpler for a dog to bite.