Guild Wars 2

We don’t actually know that the sylvari are seeds. The Pale tree wasn’t planted as a sylvari though. As far as we know, she was a seed found in a cave with other seeds and planted by Rowan. And we do know that the sylvari are the Pale Trees interpretation of humanity. But a good sylvari sight with a lot of references for a lot of questions here: http://guildwars2roleplay.wikispaces.com/A+Comprehensive+Guide+to+All+Things+Sylvari

“The Elementalist casts discrete spells, and you have the feeling that there is a heritage and body of knowledge behind those spells. Guardians seem to use magical energy in the heat of combat, from the front line.”

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/01/31/behind-the-scenes-with-the-guild-wars-2-guardian-massivelys-in/

edit: so it’s not so much that the form of magic is older but the way it’s channeled is more primevil.

As the Fox said, chef costume set.

That’s the one! yeah, It does seem like any magic a warrior would have is more primevil than the typical sigils and incantations. Kind of how the devs described guardian powers to elementalists. They are probably less casting spells and more channeling magic power into their attacks to bolster them.

As Konig stated, it all depends. A-net said when addressing how magic worked that it is a combination of inherent knowledge and training. And they said that actual training will vary, be it apprectinceship or through parenting, etc.

We know that charr learn early on in their farar. While certain proffessions of humans may be more prone to an apprenticeship.

About to go to work but the example I am thinking of is when Cobiah Marriner followed the three Krytan sabotuers down to the life boat. The ones that blew up LA’s docks as it was being surrounded by kryta. He fought a hammer wielding warrior that did seem to be using magic. He sent a shockwave through the ground and another time sent one through the air throwing Cobiah back. And if I recall correctly, the attack that threw him back through the air didn’t even touch him with the actual hammer. Just the shock wave.

And example of a warrior that didn’t seem to use magic was the asura warrior on the captains council. He also wielded a hammer but when the council fought the charr he used the distractions provided by Cobiah to fight effectively. Then going on to state that he “fights like an asura”. (I assume he meant he fights smart)

There is a good example of a warrior using his warrior magic with a hammer in Sea of Sorrows. I’ll type it up tomorrow night if no one beast me to it.

CureForLiving.5360:

Dustfinger.9510:

Well, the ED’s aren’t created equal. each one has it’s own strength. So each one would have it’s own weakness. A MM’s weakness would be directly attacking it. But that’s what the devs said. Their power is comparable. I doubt the ED’s would just be no threat at all to them. We’ve known they were killable back in GW1 though.

EDs seem to have varying power levels, when they wake up they’re weak and then slowly become more powerful as they consume more of the worlds magic.

Sure. And each ED has it’s own version of what a strength is. Im sure Dwaynas power isn’t based on martial combat like Balthazaars would be. Comparable doesn’t mean a 1:1 ratio. It just means that they are in the same class. Like the playable classes. They are comparable because they can compete against each other but each build, class and play style is going to have it’s own advantages and disadvantages. And we really have no idea if the gods power fluxuates. Be it based on worship or strength of their respective realm of influence or what have you. We really don’t know what makes a god a god. All we know is that they are gods.

Well, the ED’s aren’t created equal. each one has it’s own strength. So each one would have it’s own weakness. A MM’s weakness would be directly attacking it. But that’s what the devs said. Their power is comparable. I doubt the ED’s would just be no threat at all to them. We’ve known they were killable back in GW1 though.

edit: here’s the dialog for the souls trapped in Orr.

“My ship and crew were stranded here when Orr rose, and our spirits have been trapped here ever since. Don’t share our fate: leave while you can.” http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Captain_Romke

The gods can’t controle what the ED’s do, dev interview said that the power of the ED’s and the gods was comparable.

Though, there are some ghosts in arah that are trapped there because theirt ship was sailing in the area when orr rose. So zaiatain might not have controle of souls.

Grimwolf.7163:

Dustfinger.9510:

Grimwolf.7163:

Dustfinger.9510:

shinigamith.7120:

Evidence: Anet should have reworked it to fit the players preferences and added another source of bleed in another set of weapon (Why not in Pistol/Pistol ? the set actually have a poor #3)

I think this is the source of the problem. the players may have one idea of what things should be but if it doesn’t line up with a-nets intentions then the players are wrong. Not the skill. Otherwise, they’d also have to give into player desire to play a hard trinity.

The skill is only wrong if it doesn’t line up with a-nets intentions. Since their intentions are clearly not to make the daggers a pure power set then it is working as intended.

The Ranger’s greatsword was clearly intended by ANet to be a condition set, because the #2 applied Bleeding.

…Oh wait.

Your response doesn’t actually address what I typed. So……… yeah.
Your response implies that I said there can never be a hybrid build with any class ever.

No, my response implies that Ranger Greatsword was originally in exactly the same place D/D is with a single attack stacking Bleeds, and a while back they fixed it to apply Vulnerability instead.
Therefore, one stupid attack applying Bleeding does not mean they intended for the set to leverage Condition Damage or be any sort of hybrid; it means they’re just idiots.

That still doesn’t address what I actually typed. Your further extrapolation only makes less sense when pairing it with my post since at no time did I ever say the daggers were intended to be a condition set. GG.

And as far as we know, the ED’s are not subject to the gods.

“Snaff specialized in the creation of enormous combat golems, but many of his smaller inventions focused on using telepathic control instead of machines”

“Snaff grappled with the mind of the Elder Dragon directly”

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Snaff

I’d guess Mesmer with all that mind manipulation.

Sure. Every army needs food or it’s worthless. But perhaps not everyone does it as well as humanity. For instance, it may be harder to win a battle against humanity by attacking their supply lines then it is against some of the other races. It’s not a matter of one or the other. It’s a matter of ‘how much of that pie chart are we devoting to each aspect?’. No one philosophy is right. each is going to have it’s own weaknesses.

Your concerns are absolutely valid but I think that’s the point of this thread. Huakns depended on gods way to much for combat. They’ve done it for thousands of years. And they knew the gods were definitely real. Now that the gods are gone,. they needed time to first understand the knew situation and second for society to adapt to it.

Though, we do know that the Pact incorporates human tech into their tech so there are things that humanity was excelling at. it just happens to be the kind of things we take for granted. Well built ships, artisans and craftsmen, supply infrastructure.

I do agree with you, however. It is nice to be able to see them adapt and grow

Grimwolf.7163:

Dustfinger.9510:

shinigamith.7120:

Evidence: Anet should have reworked it to fit the players preferences and added another source of bleed in another set of weapon (Why not in Pistol/Pistol ? the set actually have a poor #3)

I think this is the source of the problem. the players may have one idea of what things should be but if it doesn’t line up with a-nets intentions then the players are wrong. Not the skill. Otherwise, they’d also have to give into player desire to play a hard trinity.

The skill is only wrong if it doesn’t line up with a-nets intentions. Since their intentions are clearly not to make the daggers a pure power set then it is working as intended.

The Ranger’s greatsword was clearly intended by ANet to be a condition set, because the #2 applied Bleeding.

…Oh wait.

Your response doesn’t actually address what I typed. So……… yeah.
Your response implies that I said there can never be a hybrid build with any class ever.

shinigamith.7120:

They wanted D/D to be hybrid but didn’t improved it to make it attractive. You can say hybrid D/D was their intention but you can’t say that it’s their intention now.

The term more attractive is a relative one. Right now it is attractive enough to be in use. There is really no evidence that it is contrary to their intentions.

Dustfinger.9510:

If you want to preserve an identity you have to protect it and as i said make it attractive.

This states that the fact that #3 is a condition applier means that the identity is not meant to be a pure power set.

Yeah they designed D/D to be hybrid. On release day it was good as hybrid and over powered as a power build (since you could one shot and no match everything)

Did they changed the things to make it more attractive for hybrid and less for full power? No.

It took a tremendous time for them to nerf the full power build and when it was done the hybrid one, even if it was good wasn’t efficient enough.

They didn’t improved hybrid D/D they just nerfed power D/D.

I’m ok with Anet following their original design but only if they do something to make it attractive. If they don’t they have to break it.

Again, more and less is relative. There is never perfect balance in any game between multiple classes and builds. This means that there will always be something that is more attractive than something else.

Game design should preserve diversity. The actual one create a meta (meta is nothing more than the sign of problem in balance).
As they don’t try to protect diversity they could at least give some stability to the system and then improve it. Breaking DB is only a step it’s not a end they totally have to give us another finished set to play condition because actually D/D is not a complete one.

if they followed your rules, the power build would never have been viable to begin with because they would have made sure that only hybrid build was ever attractive. As you said, the hybrid build was definitely their intention. That would have taken priority according to your philosophy.

Huamnaities tactic of prioritising food production is working for them. it keeps their armies fed which allows the defense they do have to maintain a steady equilibrium with their enemies. Add in the diplomatic efforts that humanity is engaged in and their enemies are becoming smaller and smaller. It is a working machine to outlast the war with prosperity an inevitable outcome as long as the machine remains intact. As the saying goes, “starving troops can’t fight”. According to the advice of business coaches, humanity (along with the rest of the playable races) is doing it right. They say focus most of your energy on what you do well. A little less on what you are okay at. And the last 10% goes to what you don’t do well. This maximizes the potential gain of your energy output.

The combined might of Ebonhawke and Kryta couldn’t even take Ascalon. It’s stated in Sea of Sorrows that Kryta simply doesn’t have that kind of power. They were sacrificing hundreds of soldiers at a time simply to defend Ebonhawke. It’s stated that to beat charr in battle they need to be overwhelmed with expected high loss. That’s why using tactics that work on charr didn’t work on the Risen. The loss ofso many soldiers only strengthened the Risen.

Humanity would need more allies than just the two kingdoms. Defense almost always takes less resources than offensive campaigns. Espescially one big enough to defeat 4 separate nations. (The Flame legion wouldn’t stand idle after working so hard to beat Ascalonian humans). And as Kalavier said, the human alliance would still be committing to fighting the enraged ghosts of Ascalon as well.

BrunoBRS.5178:

well, i don’t think any offspring can happen, but i don’t see why two sentient, rational beings can’t have feelings for one another just because of race.

This. The playable species aren’t completely alien to each other. They share the ability to connect on similar emotional levels. This is the basis for the start of modern Lions Arch and Cobiah Mariners ability to bring so many different peoples together.

“Or whatever they call themselves”

Could indicate:

-They are an elite board of mesmers that tries to exert their authority over others. And Kasmeer is less than awed by them.

-Kasmeer isn’t a member but she was either commissioned or hired by them.

-They are big enough to be known about but too small to be the topic of any great conversation like the Orders or the Pact.

I’d guess they are in fact a human organization. A committee who sees themselves as responsible for regulating mesmer related things within human borders. I doubt they span across the other races since the other races mesmers can have such a drastically different background than humans.

shinigamith.7120:

I invite you to watch the episode 15 of ready up on the guild wars 2 official twitch channel where they talk about reacting to what the player do with what they designed.

If you design something but absolutely nobody uses it (why nobody play hybrid D/D too weak) you can be very happy with what you have done but it’s not a good design.

Players react with what developpers design the players are not wrong if they use D/D with a power build because they find hybrid build too weak. They do it because it is simply better.

Finally you can’t compare the will to change D/D build with the one to have a hard trinity.

In one case you want to change a Global gameplay design that is a big part of gw2 identity.
In the other case you want to change a particular part of a particular profession set that have nothing to do with gw2 identity.

If I can make a point that you don’t agree with by using your logic then the point isn’t flawed. The logic is flawed. I don’t agree with making the trinity either but the point is that your logic does agree with it.

Notice my logic based on a-nets intentions is a consistent argument with consistant logic that is applicable across the board. letting players make the rules in spite of a-nets intentions is allowing players to recreate a game against what the creators want it to be.

So while palyers are absolutely not wrong if they choose to use it in a power build, they are wrong for saying that it is somhow useless simply because they don’t use it a particular way. Changeing a particular part of a particular profession set that have nothing to do with gw2 identity isn’t changing the identity of the game but it is changing the identity of that particular weapon set. An identity that the devs specifically want to be a certain way that happens to not line up with what some players may want. That certain way seems to be that they want more options. Not less. Options to work in a power build and a hybrid build.

shinigamith.7120:

Evidence: Anet should have reworked it to fit the players preferences and added another source of bleed in another set of weapon (Why not in Pistol/Pistol ? the set actually have a poor #3)

I think this is the source of the problem. the players may have one idea of what things should be but if it doesn’t line up with a-nets intentions then the players are wrong. Not the skill. Otherwise, they’d also have to give into player desire to play a hard trinity.

The skill is only wrong if it doesn’t line up with a-nets intentions. Since their intentions are clearly not to make the daggers a pure power set then it is working as intended.

Kulvar.1239:

Asura magitech isn’t technology. Charrs use cog, pump, etc. Asura use crystals and “anything”. Golems are just stone blocks with magically programmed crystals.

Also, you could be the most intelligent people in the world, if you don’t know what is a cog, it’ll be harder to understand how mechanisms work.

I’ve never said that it “revolve around an intellectual connection”. I said that the gap is too wide. Do you understand the subtelty ?

And for “extremly special case”. Yea if you want to see an atrophied dwarf Charr with a lobotomised Asura in love, do as you wish…
But with all the “if” needed, Jennah could became Jormag’s mate too.

………any evidence at all.

What gap now that it is clear it isn’t the intellectual or emotional connection gap that you are talking about?

Agreed. One on the left is awesome.

Kulvar.1239:

Because Asura don’t learn technology. The Asura is smart, but he know nothing about technology. Asuran technomagic have nothing to do with technology.

Well if the smartest charr is an imbecile to any asura then the asura should have no problem grasping the concept.

You assume that I classify Charrs by their profession. I said “from warrior to mesmer” because they’re opposite. But if you can’t understand what a variety range is, I’ll not loose more time with you…

And “emotional connection” or “intellectual connection” is not something that make people fell in love. It’s what make them appreciate the other. Zojja isn’t Rytlock mate you know ? Even in Disney movies they don’t make ridiculous interspecies pairing…

If “friendship” next step is “love”, I would be in love with dozen of people…

by all mean, please tell me what does make a person fall in love. because your reasoning seemed to revolve around an intellectual connection.

I notice you still failed to give any actual evidence why it is impossible.

Kulvar.1239:

I’ve included any variations like from warrior to mesmer and it’s impossible. By impossible, I mean that the probability that it happen is infinitesimal. There are more chances that Queen Jennah marry with Smodur the Unflinching than an Asura and a Charr could be in love.

The smartest Charr is like an intellectually deficient people even for the dumbest Asura ever. They can’t share anything because it’s too simple to interest the Asura or too complicated for the Charr. It be like talking quantum mechanisms to a peasant from the VI century.

The flaw is on your side, you assume that they are human-like inside with a wide range of body type known as “species”. It’s not how it work. How could an Asura and Charr fall in love ?

The smartest charr is not intellectually deficient to the asura. In fact, in the black citadel near the tanks, the asura NPC can’t comprehend how the charr tech works without the use of magic.

Then you base personality on profession. But we see that the same proffessions vary from individual to individual.

Then you imply that smart people can’t form relationships with … uneducated people. RL humanity shows this is completely untrue. Pocahontas, are woman from a primitive tribe of Native Americans marries John Smith. Even though the Caucasian features were generally considered “ugly” by Native American standards. And even though she had none of the education or breeding that many of John Smiths other options would have offered.

So, I’ll answer your question as to how it could happen. Two personalities are thrown together through a combination of circumstances and personal choices. They become friends (as is directly shown possible) and later that friendship developes into a romantic interest. Even if one of them is considered “not as smart” we see in the PS that an asura is able to over look this for romantic interest. We also see in Tybalt that a charr is able to appreciate the physical form of another species in contrast to their thousands of years of evolution.

If you only think people can connect on an intellectual level in order to fall in love you’re wrong. They may well connect on an emotional level. that’s really all that’s needed. And both species are capable of connecting on comparable emotional levels as the lore has shown us. it’s not an assumption on my part. We see it in the books.

Show us how it is impossible. The societal tendancies of asura is to look down on other species and to value intelligence. we see that both of these things aren’t hard truths in every member of the society.

We see that charr while valuing war and the farar also deviate from this. What evidence is there that any of those interests is impossible?

edit: Basically, you’ve narrowed each specicies into one personality each. The charr a steriotypical body builder marrying an asura, a martian genius and the two have nothing to talk about. You fail to accept that the charr and the asura are also individuals with their individual personalities.

We can’t base possibilities on general societal norms that are clearly guidelines that have plenty of confirmed exceptions.

Stooperdale.3560:

The game needs to show the nature of the races within the game. People who play the game a lot might want some variation, but the people who play just a little need to be shown the racial characteristics by the main characters.

This. The game serves two purposes. To tell a story and to tell lore. When too many characters contradict societal tendencies then the lore of those societal tendencies changes with them.

Kulvar.1239:

Last time I checked, Romeo and Juliett were of the same specie and find each other attractive but their families hated each other.

In the case of a Charr and an Asura, they can’t find each other attractive.

They can. We see inter species attraction smattered throughout the game. This idea that only humans can deviate from their societal norms is flawed.

edit: We also so societal norms deviated from throughout the game. Both from asura and from charr.

Before DNA confirmed that all RL humans were all the same species, it was commonly thought that they were different. There was still mixed relationships from members of societies that placed import on aspects that the member of another society didn’t. Societal views matter less than the circumstances individuals are living in. Especially if those individuals are removed from the greater society.

I couldn’t find that one but I’ll keep looking.

Societies have tendencies. But those tendancies don’t dictate a cookie cutter personality for every individual. That’s like saying “Westside Story” or “Romeo and Juliett” could never happen because of the tendacy views of the two subculters in the musical and play.

Fist – There’s nothing out there worse than what’s about to be in here. Centaurs! Undead!

Crown – Foolish human. You dishonor yourself and your ancestors.

Heart – You’re cunning and clever enough to recover from this loss.

crown >> My ancestors… yes. They fled Ascalon so we’d survive. I can’t throw that away out of stubbornness. You’re right.

Me thinks you aren’t looking at charr from a tiny asuran perspective. All teeth and claws and hot breath breathing out flecks of spittle as they rend their enemies limb from limb while towering above you.

We know that the sylvari are humanoid due to the Pale Trees experience with Rowan. They are confirmed to be a trees interpretation of humanity. Perhaps her observations of people with their dogs is the reason the Pale Tree also produces sylvan hounds as companions for them.

As Oola said, “We embody magic”.

Perhaps the ancestors were the magic that ritualists tapped into.

We see that the Dreamers each interpret the tablet in different ways and find a balance with it in their own lives according to what works for them. I’d figure the pirates were no different.

Bazompora.2635:

Is that really what I said: “a specific way”? Does a limited range limit itself to one way?
That Black people are very diverse in appearance isn’t something you would hear me contest. Quite the contrary. It’s those who try to sell Human Character creation who seem to imply that Black facial structures are somewhere from representatively to entirely present in the overlap with big-chinned Caucasian faces.

feel free to brain storm what features are only Caucasion, Black, Native American, Indian, Asian, Arabian, etc. I guarantee you’ll find plenty of overlap. And that’s just going by a sterio typical look. That’s ignoring examples like many Asians having almond eyes and various African tribal tendancies toward almond eyes as well.

This kind of insensitivity,
I wouldn’t be surprised if it is shared with all whom is responsible for human appearances in Guild Wars 2:
one should just accept any Briton’s head that has a minimum of dark skin, big lips and a broad nose slapped on as Black?

It’s not insensitive at all. Features are shared around the world. what makes a certain “look” is the combination of those features. But even certain looks vary broadly. I’ve backed it up with real world pics. Specify what exactly are only caucasian features because neatly trimmed eyebrows, a bald head and a big chin isn’t making your point. Note that both wide and long chins can be found without making that person look “unrealistic”.

This last image is a member of the Wodaabe tribe. Not the sterio typical black look but it is realistic and authentic. Granted it is an extreme example but it illustrates how authentic tribal Africans features can vary drastically. and those features can be shared with feature combinations that are common in Europeans.

Bazompora.2635:

The women don’t need to have one, sure. But show me a Black male face that’s convincing enough without the beard.

Natsu’s character looks like a polished stitchless version of Frankenstein’s monster: a bunch of human features that never occur together in real life. The color may be “black”, but the rest is a collage of Caucasian bodyparts. There’s no Black man that even remotely looks like that.

Alilinke’s character is so far the most convincing character of African descent I’ve seen – ever (better than the clones from Arenanet even), but he couldn’t get around the eyes lying deep in the sockets. African eyes pooch out, in case you haven’t noticed, and non-admixed eyebrows never are that pronounced either. If his character wasn’t clean bald, his hair line would have been too low. You know that complete baldness isn’t a natural trait for black men? Imagine if you could only make convincing White skinheads.

This is why I previously quoted your first sentence only: so far we’ve been shown that we can’t yet make believably Black men,
• because they have to be Black-White / White-Black mixed instead of actual Black
• because they all converge towards one same face.

You don’t need to tell me White people can look different aswell; The matter of fact is that you already start out with 10 Caucasian options and 0 African ones when it comes to male faces.

On Natsu’s character. You acknoelwge that all Caucasians don’t look the same. But you attribute hard features as to what is black and what is Caucasian. My point there is that so many of these features are shared across so many cultures around the world. There are only so many different combinations features that can be made with a finite number of features. this is why we get people of different ethnicities that look like they could be family and even twins. And these features expand beyond just caucasian and black people. they are found all over the world.

natsu’s character looks fine. I see plenty of features that are not stricjly relegated to caucasians.

Alilinke’s character is also fine. Take the beard away and you have a black man with a shave. Those pronounced eyebrows come with grooming. So does a completely bald head when men start balding. Instead of fighting it they often just shave their head. Look at a groomed Caucasian and then look at a prehistoric one without grooming. That’s what you are basically trying to do with this flawed idea of “black features”.

This, btw is a picture of a genuine African tribal girl. Google African tribeman go to the pictures and you’ll see so many different features that are common around the world. Almond eyes, round eyes, bulging eyes, thick eyebrows, thin eye brows, long eye brows, short eye brows, high cheek bones, low cheek bones, etc. This idea that “actual black people” look a specific way is pretty rediculous.

Bazompora.2635:

Dustfinger.9510:

I think Natsu Dragneel and Alilinke did a pretty good job of showing us that we can make them.

Did you observe as much as you envision?
Natsu’s didn’t even look enough like a human could, let alone a Black one, and Alilinke’s made it across the uncanny valley by forcibly mixing in considerable European ancestry.
Not only can we not make a full-blooded Black guy, but the more realistic the results, the more they tend to all look alike. Not that there is much avoiding it, for every man has to go with lengthy Caucasian eyebrows and a straight nose and has to pull the very same beard trick to somewhat hide the obligatory Anglo-Saxon chin.

You know caucasians don’t all look alike right? there are many different features and those features are shared worldwide through many different full blooded peoples from different cultures.

Now to your point that they all look alike. YES! There are limited options. Which is why I said I’m all for “more options”. I notice you conveniently left that part out when you quoted my post. it seems you envisioned more than was actually in my post and when it didn’t fit your ideal of what you wanted to respond to you tried to change my post into what you wished it was.

So what about Natsu’s character doesn’t “look human”?

What about Alilinke’s character looks European? (His nose looks very un-caucasian and lengthy eyebrows are not limited to Caucasians). meanwhile not all black people need to have beards in order to “look black”.

Racials are a catch 22. On one hand they provide flavor for your character but on the other hand they lock certain races in their own respective classes in order to fulfill the “meta”. A-net solved this by making the racials generally less useful than the class elites but it also means that less useful skills are less used.

The only way around any of that is to give each race the exact same racial skills while re-skinning them to have the flavor of each race that uses them. But that means doing 5 times (for 5 races) the amount of work for one skill that has no greater chance of being used in any one build.

The charr were already assaulting humanity before they lost all that they had. They engaged in treaties only after humanity lost what they had. So……. yeah. Makes no sense that they give up on their ancestral homeland because of two strong human nations when they had no misgivings about going to war with three of them.

And confirming Kalaviers point, LA has only been as successful as it has been due to not being controlled by Kryta. It was nothing compared to what it is now when it was the actual capitol of Kryta.

What the Fox said. “keekeekeekeekeekeekee!”

I think that’s kind of the point. humanity didn’t develop in certain areas because they has always depended on the gods to do that work for them. The charr made a deliberate descision to stop looking for ‘godly’ help and find another way of doing things because they were forced to. Now the humans are forced to but they are forced to without the drastic cultural shift that the charr went through.

Asura evolve but they are like WarHammer dwarves. The machine of their cultural system is designed to evolve so much more slowly. Sylvari have a working machine (the Dream) that allows them to instantly be competitive by bringing them up to speed with the other already established races. And the norn also evolve so much more slowly because they are so individualistic.

After the singular-in-purpose, war driven charr, humans are really the playable species that has the most potential to evolve independently. But do to their alliances, they aren’t forced to. That is a double edged sword. It means they have access to get other races technology but it doesn’t force them to adapt as quickly as the charr had to when they had only themselves to depend on.

The sizes there are still in use. I think the helmet on the warmaster creates the impression that she is bigger than she actually is. the max height is about a third taller. Or about chest high in both pictures but without the helmet it doesn’t look so drastic to me.

A-net did say they are working on all weapons for all classes. Im interested to see what they come up with. Though I am hopefull for some type of melee mage warrior type theme for a weopon set.

Bingo! gods have a plan and it is working as intended. But I don’t really like the centaur example. The battle with the centaur goes back and forth. We saw the last PS deal with a swing in humanities favout but it was all prefaced with the battles going back and forth.

There is however a plethora of other examples of how humanity is beginning to adapt to the situation with out reliance on gods. treaties with ancient enemies. watch knight technology, adoption of other races technology, etc.

And let’s not forget, Ebonhawke was supported by thousands of krytan soldiers being thrown to the slaughter en mass in order to gain victories ofver the charr just for the defense. At least during SoS.

But the Searing speaks to the point. The charr depended on gods. they lost their gods and were forced to find heir own way without backing. It is during that time during SoS that I believe macha is talking about. How the charr adapt and overcome while the humans continue to pray. And that is why the humans weren’t winning any major battles at the time.

They may play some role in the future but they probably won’t play near as big a role to humanity as they had been. In SoS, Macha attributes humans major losses in the war with charr to humanities dependence on their gods interviening on their behalf. rather than learning and adapting to the situation in order to win.

Miltek.2104:

Stupid idea.
Granades requaire aim to use it, learn it or don’t use it.
If you can’t aim, granades aren’t for you.

My answer to that sugestion: DEFFINITLY NO

(non-aim granades would be OP as kitten at melee range)

And that OP-ness would last all of one patch. Then the attack would get further nerfed so that the number of grenades that hits the target is fewer just like was done under water.

I think Natsu Dragneel and Alilinke did a pretty good job of showing us that we can make them. Though any more options would still be welcome.