Guild Wars 2

Joe.4178:

Bertrand.3057:

Love the guide, you hit a good balance here.

Thank you ^^

Sandrox.9524:

Joe,what is your take about the zerkbow rangers these days?

I don’t mind them, much better than fighting thieves and warriors. Now I have to be more alert and have more map awareness, which is really thrilling to me. It pretty much makes me paranoid and on my toes for unexpected situations. Also, they’re just as glassy as me so whoever makes the first mistake and can’t recover from it wins, pretty much a dps race.

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Sandrox.9524:

Joe,what is your take about the zerkbow rangers these days?

Idk how Joe is dealing with them, but for me I do not solo roam anymore. I only group roam or zerg now because of the ranger deathsquads that are impossible to beat alone.

Rangers with a duo or more becomes a pain, I die in less than 1/2 a second from their volley shot/knockback. Nonetheless, I still think its better than the old meta where I get effortlessly destroyed by s/d perma evade thieves or any other glass thieves/warriors.

With this new meta I enjoy licking all of thieve’s/warrior’s salty tears because I’m a sadist. (LOL)
Warriors complaints:
1. No adrenaline when a player dodges their burst skill. (O rly? We have no illusions/burst when they dodge our skills)
2. No adrenaline when they’re out of combat (O rly? We lose illusions/burst when we’re out of combat)
3. They think that just cuz of this nerf for only a couple of days that their class is useless.. (O rly??? We’ve been dealing with all this since beta ESPECIALLY broken ileap/warden)
4. Warriors.. they still have their passive regen signet that heals for a TON, and they can go into defense trait lines while still dishing out a TON of damage, their auto attacks exceeds any other classes auto attacks with ax.

Thief complaint:
Heartseeker + mug combo bug out (O rly??? We had ileap broken since beta and still not as good as it should be 2 years later)
Sword dagger isn’t as strong anymore (The weapon set itself shouldn’t have been nerfed, acrobatics should’ve been nerfed)

Idk both of them seriously are overlydramatic talk about uninstalling the game, maybe if they played shatter mesmer for a bit then they’d maybe understand our pain a little.

With the new meta also I’m seeing a lot more condi thieves/condi mesmers instead of rangers which is really lame. Guess anet loves passive/ai plays with condi.

Reality check, the mesmer community isn’t above reacting the like the thief community.

If the mesmer had played relatively smoothly since release and suddenly been nerfed and introduced a multitude of bugs—we would be upset too.

It’s not the players fault.

Thanks Dr for bringing this to the forums cause I was feeling the same way.
Somehow I’m not surprised that it’s Pyros build. Thank you for indirectly helping, again.

What I like about the build,

-Great damage via phantasms
-it has solid defensive options available almost at all times (between stealth, 2 blocks)
-In fight mobility
-It’s versatile as I can switch up just a few utilities depending on what I am doing
-With centaurs+10 sec mantra I can roam around the map quite fast
-I don’t need stacks so there is no prep time needed, I just play.

Pregnantman.8259:

Well anything that was core about the PvP builds remained the same after the patch, which was also the same for quite a while I guess. So the QQ probably is probably due to lack of experience.

If the people are complaining about guards have played their class for a long time, how is it due to lack of experience?

Guards are in a good place not just on their own but compared to other classes currently.

Read the other class forums, you’ll see.

Dirven.3021:

You’re dying because, believe it or not, there are people that outplay you le gasp.

Forum Pro Tip -The title is not the post itself.

For the op, this might have something to do with it
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/S-D-no-longer-viable

“I’ll just go and roll a mesmer and then ALL my problems will be solved”

The games been out 2+ years and with each passing day, the more frustration I am seeing across the player base.

Still not working. Tested on both Chrome and Explorer and on two separate computers.

I just watched the video. Didn’t seem overpowered to me.

Maybe you are used to fights taking longer and being more drawn out?

All in all, I agree with Expiatus.

MandJ.8965:

Please dont play Builds like that. Because of that, People qq like hell, and Anet nerfs mesmer again to the ground.

I dont want to be mean..but…you know..

I don’t mean to be mean…but you know, actually I do.

They QQ and then You QQ about their QQ
Is the irony lost on you?

I think I will run this build purely on principle.

loseridoit.2756:

Fay.2357:

loseridoit.2756:

Esplen.3940:

loseridoit.2756:

Fay.2357:

Noah.9654:

I’ve seen many YouTube videos where Mesmers take out entire squadrons in WvW

There’s a lot of bad players in WvW.

hey, i wouldnt call them bad players. WvWvW is pretty much dictated by build and gear combinations.

The sad part, sometimes I feel like this game is turning into spread sheet wars.

WvW is spread sheet wars? Am I missing something?

stats combinations matter a bit too much. If you ignore it, your build will suck.

That’s pretty foolish to say. Yes, if you get healing gear and you try to play it like a dps, you’re going to suck. This isn’t some sort of massive skill floor to play in WvW. It’s more of a basic intelligence test.

I am basically comparing ok to optimal. Things you have too look out for. Sigils, food buffs, correct combinations of stats. Too many variation. Very expensive to try a new build

Good news, majority of the population cannot create the correct combination properly which means it possible to faceroll the majority of the population. However, I really dont like this intelligence test because I actually want to know if I really do suck playing rather than I just suck at gearing up my char.

Number games are not that fun.

It’s offensive to call it an intelligence test.

However, there is nothing wrong with trying builds from the forums in sPvP, watching youtube videos and lastly talking to the person who made the build.

If you don’t have time, utilize someone elses hard work and research.

Noah.9654:

Swish.2463:

" For this update, we’re looking at improving "

Anet is taking a look.

this does not mean
“We have changed and it is implemented and working correctly already”

Looking means planning, no promises, to try some things.

some of those things may fall flat on their face or be broken or may not even make it at all.

“multiple”

Multiple – meaning any number greater than 1.

some of the new grandmaster traits and improved upon their original implementation

Some does not mean All. i’ll hedge my bets that Some means Disruptors Sustainment and the dueling waste of space trait. the others are not being touched.

I’ll also hedge my bets that there will only be 2 or 3 “changes” made that are not already listed above.

Anet doesn’t understand Mesmers and can’t fix them short of pulling the plug and recoding and redoing the entire class.

The above would require a lot of effort and money

its easier to let mesmers rot, a few players will leave but most will reroll and keep spending money/playing.

Look at Lord Helseth; he was a crucial member of this past tournament match against China. He took down what I assume to be China’s most skilled thief twice (although said thief did knock him down as well). I’ve seen many YouTube videos where Mesmers take out entire squadrons in WvW, carry teams in s/tPvP, and even solo dungeons. Mesmers can be good. Trust me.

I agree that ANet may not understand Mesmers, but most of us understand them and we are able to do pretty well using them. I don’t think constantly complaining about the class and being negative will make the class any better. The class doesn’t need to be redone. People just need to play it and be happy.

As for your comments about the changes, I highly doubt ANet would purposely skew their words. If they say they are going to fix ‘multiple’ things, then they are most likely going to fix multiple things, as in more than just 2. They are ‘planning’ on making the changes. I don’t know how much you would know about programming, but a big update like this would have to be in its final stages by now if not done. This means that the changes to Mesmers are most likely done.

Tl:DR—Stop complaining. You’re giving Mesmers a bad name. Be positive as changes are coming!

Why would I care what ONE person can do with the mesmer?

Assuming it was even possible, what would it take for someone to reach ‘Helseth’ skill level?

Stop saying our class is fine.

Generally speaking Ele’s, guards, warriors and Thieves are in a good place.

Mesmers, Rangers and Necros need some serious help.

Coulter.2315:

StickerHappy.8052:

Coulter.2315:

Fay.2357:

Coulter.2315:

frifox.5283:

Coulter.2315:

You’re talking nonsense if you think a warrior can reach never mind keep up 25 stacks of bleed in PvP, however giving staff clones a double hit which can proc Burning and have a 2nd chance at critting for Bleed will be OP.

I don’t do PvP, only PvE.

Then you need to think of PvP when balancing.

Ok, lets think PvP.

I’m thinking of a fire field that covers an entire point, pulses every couple of seconds applying burning, and has a 7 second cooldown.

I’m thinking of a fast autoattack that cleaves and applies 8 second base duration bleeds.

I’m thinking of a kit that can be used point blank and applies long duration bleeds, burns, chill, and poison.

I’m thinking that bouncing staff clones probably aren’t going to match up to the insane condition application sets that a lot of classes have.

Warriors are OP, you don’t fix that with buffing Mesmers.. You fix that by nerfing Warriors. Please don’t confuse my attempts to keep Mesmers from being OP with me saying the game is perfectly balanced – you don’t help balance by adding more OP nonsense.

But yes you do, instead of nerfing classes, just buff them to be in par with warriors! :p

Hehe no one would want to play that game though xD

It’s understandable that Arenanet is running the balance of this game more like a business and less like a game. -They surely wouldn’t want to anger a siginificant portion of their player base (Warriors).

Disappointing, but understandable.

Am I disappointed with the complete “idea” of the Mesmer as ArenaNet made it?

No, I am not. I am unhappy with the way they have class balance with the mesmer.

I didn’t play GuildWars much. I didn’t like it. Maybe I would have if I hadn’t of been playing another mmo at the time.

I think your feelings are natural though.

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

EnderzShadow.2506:

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Im sorry but PU doesn’t need a guide to being played, it is a very forgiving spec that only works on new players and allows you to make mistakes without getting punished very hard.

Also, Osicat played PU because at that time, everything was becoming condi and shatter couldn’t survive in the condi roaming meta. Pyro played PU because his immortal build got ruined so he went to the next best immortal build.

Technically, nothing needs a guide to be played.

Also, shatter still can’t survive in the roaming meta.

I play shatter in roaming with a couple of friends and do fine. The meta has changed again and it is more power focused now so shatter can be somewhat decent now in groups.

I don’t disagree with you. However, I rarely have a roaming ‘group’ to run with.
Solo roaming WvW as a shatter spec is a painfully frustrating experience.

Fay.2357:

PU builds are very strong currently. The trait is one of the few remaining good traits that mesmers have, and PU builds simply are the best builds for any situation in which surviving is optimal.

Contrary to popular misbelief, PU builds have a skill cap just as monstrously high as any other build mesmers have. However, the difference is in how this skill is displayed. Where in an interrupt build you need to be greatly skilled to make it function at all, because interrupts are a poorly supported mechanic that don’t work well in this game, in PU builds that skill is shown as how effectively you can survive in increasingly hostile situations while still performing offensively.

Listening to you talk about it, makes me want to play it again! I think maybe I just need to tweak it.

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Im sorry but PU doesn’t need a guide to being played, it is a very forgiving spec that only works on new players and allows you to make mistakes without getting punished very hard.

Also, Osicat played PU because at that time, everything was becoming condi and shatter couldn’t survive in the condi roaming meta. Pyro played PU because his immortal build got ruined so he went to the next best immortal build.

Technically, nothing needs a guide to be played.

Also, shatter still can’t survive in the roaming meta.

@de haterz
I don’t know why there is so much hate for PU. Just to be clear, I don’t want to hear your personal reasons why. I have heard it before… ’it’s easy’ , ’it’s so forgiving’ , it’s cheese’. Osicat played pu builds. Pyro played pu builds-enuf said.

For the OP, I know your new to the build but I couldn’t help but wonder why you didn’t use torch Prestige.

At about 10:10 you get focused while your on staff and your weapon swap is up, yet you still go down. You could of disengaged with prestige—- or blocked attacks with scepter and then disengaged with torch stealth.

If you want to get all you can out of combos, if you start in scepter/torch, you can use confusing images, pop mage, get a block while runnnig toward target—- then prestige, weapon swap, Chaos storm (when you attack from using chaos storm, will chaos armor you again) , wait till last second of chaos storm, phase retreat out= more bubble— and then finally Chaos armor…if you want more wait about 2 secs and nullfield phase retreat

Simonoly.4352:

Confusion damage was too strong but the glamour builds themselves were absolutely fine. The only direct glamour nerf was that of Blinding Befuddlement where they added a rather unnecessary ICD on the trait proc. I’m still expecting Anet to revert that one at some point in the non-future.

So they nerfed the damage AND the internal cooldown on the trait proc?

in the non future..lol
Sure they will fix it—-AFTER they have changed our traits all around making a glamour spec completely unplayable.
Then they will pat themselves on the back.

114 times this thread has been viewed and not one of you has an opinion on Glamour builds?

I wasn’t playing then. So I really didn’t know.

Was Glamour pre-nerf Overpowered?

frifox.5283:

It’s actually the exact opposite. Precision > Power up to 100% crit. When fully buffed, Assassins will out dps Berserker both in direct damage and reflects. Berserker is better than assassins only when you have no offensive buffs like might/fury/banners/etc.

So Assassin with buffs > Berserkers without.
And Berserker without buffs better than Assassins without buffs

What’s the difference in Shatter damage?

Offensive Stats for me currently
2244 power
1805 Precision
885 Ferocity
46% Crit Chance
209% Critical Damage

Defensive Stats
1263 Toughness
about 16k hitpoints
w/PU

This is something I have been curious about, I’d love to see a comparison between damage and survivability

-Full Zerker Gear vs Full Knight Gear with zerker trinkets

-or the difference between my pu shatter build with full zerker gear and your non pu, knight gear shatter spec.

Apparition.1576:

@EnderzShadow

Is it a good class design that warriors can hit like trucks and run away as soon as they feel threatened?

Meanwhile you can hit like a wet noodle and still get hit in stealth multiple times

^Fixed

Apparition.1576:

Anyone care to discuss/debate why Mesmers should be able to just spam illusions (with no internal cooldown) and invisibility in PvP?

But the combination with multiple stealth abilities and along with perma clones… is this really good class design?

Being as serious as I can be…..you are asking a question from an assumption that is untrue. We cannot spam clones.

I can make a combination of three clones/phantasms. Make one more and it just makes one blow up. I can’t carry them from one fight to another like a necros pets.

I can make a bunch of clones in fight against a target but not before a fight without a enemy targeted and I believe in range. But that isn’t the same as spamming is it? And they don’t do much.

If I do make extra clones (more than 3) the extra will blow up and might put some weak effects or bleeds on you if I have the clone on death trait. Having extra energy from sigils gives me more energy for more dodges, if I have clone on dodge=more clones.

Is it really a good class design? I’m not sure really. Our class used to be decent.
If all my clones confuse you in fights, then sure, its a great class design

Is it a good class design that warriors can hit like trucks and run away as soon as they feel threatened?

Apparition.1576:

@Dondagora

That is a valid argument in regards to the shatter. However, I still feel that clones should still be limited. For example, a Necro’s death shroud has an internal cooldown between uses but it also requires life force to access. This is not a limitless resource. The same logic applies to adrenaline for warriors.

Wait… lol are you trying to say that I should have to BUILD-UP the ability to pop clones? That is hilarious.

You had many options for your…let’s call it a ‘plight’.

Let’s mention what you could of done?

1. You could of gone to your own forums and asked how to beat mesmers. (they would of told you and probably laughed at you moreso than us here.)

2. You could of asked the mesmer community how clone generation and stealth work? You would of got many friendly answers.

3. You could of QQ’d on your class forums. They would of just made fun of you.

4. You could of played one. That is a slow answer but you would have completely understand the class then.

5. You could of asked us here on the Mesmer forums, ’How do I beat mesmers?" People would of given you ALL kinds of tips, pointers, maybe even knew your class and offered spec/gear advice.

But what you did, you came and called for a full class rework on our forums and called mesmers OP. Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong.

That was a huge mistake because , while these forums are filled with the most friendly and helpful player base, they are imo the most intelligent players in game. And more importantly, right now, most of us are very angry due to the plethora of nerfs and unfixed bugs.

Waynesyaboy.5806:

Also you cannot have more then 3 illusions active at any given time. So even if they had no cooldown (which they do), it does the mesmer no good to continously spam their clones when they already have 3 out.

That is not technically true.

If a mes has on ‘on clone death’ traits, when one more clone than 3 is made, the first clone made will explode. Some random and some not random effects will hit nearby enemies.

-To be clear, I don’t agree with the OP. I just wanted to point that out.

Not to be a duh Ick about it but qq moar…really. I wish it was a bug.There are so many kittenin bugs with this class, holy shizer if this was a bug and it’s going in our favor—-
1st Im feinting from shock
2nd I’m laughing that your crying about it
3rd- I cringe knowing that anet will fix unintended bugs in a heartbeat if they do effect mesmers in a positive way
4th- I just realized you’re a warrior. A class I loathe, despise and will never play. Warrior tears lulz

Dev 1; "If we nerf them enough with the “bugs” maybe less people will play them!"
Dev 2" yeah, /wink, “BUGS”, I get it lololol."
Dev 3 “OH I get it! Less people play them the less people care!! WIN WIN!”

It’s more that they just don’t know what they are doing.
They stealth nerf us.
They bug our class when they think they know what they are doing
Then they just flat out nerf us.

That is a whole lot of F ek You from the devs.

We have our voice and that is it. Oh someone might say you can vote with your wallets. I for one, enjoy this game immensely and don’t see anything in the mmo market that remotely catches my attention.

I don’t think it’s right when someone does speak up, one of the most knowledgeable, well spoken and intelligent members of our mesmer community….well he spoke up a ‘little too much’ , let’s ban him.

It’s ok mesmer devs, I hate you too. You sad little bunch of nerds, having your nerdy programmer meetings—- I don’t like you either.

Alright, thanks guys.

I am unable to buy gems. I receive a ‘unexpected error has occurred’ every time. I first tried to buy gems since Friday and I am still having the same problem today.

First I thought maybe it was my card. I am using a prepaid debit mastercard. I have used it to buy other things online. But I have since found out, other people have used prepaid cards and had no problem.

And also I’ve read where other people have had the same problem no matter which payment method they used.

No payment is even going through to my card, as I have called theand nothing has even been declined.

Well, I had the same exact problem as have others.

tried this morning, same problem. I am being told that other people have tried every payment method and they were unable.

Ok I did, do they ever write back?

Tried doing this multiple times. It doesn’t even get declined from my card company (I called and asked).

It just gives me the following message
“Unfortunately an error has occurred. Please try again later.”
And I have…many times.

Makes me think mabe I can’t use a debit/prepaid mastercard.

Veruah.5302:

Sethren.8472:

Sublimatio.6981:

Anet should finally separate skill versions for pve, pvp and wvw…

Amen. A thousand times Amen. I’m tired of getting shafted due to PvP/WvW balance issues. I don’t like PvP, so I only PvE unless I have to engage in PvP (world completion). Why should I, and players like me, be punished for the PvP issues?

While I agree with your points, I have to say that this is an issue that appears in almost all MMOs and I doubt GW2 will break that.

Essentially this would double or triple the amount of balancing and skill design coming out of the dev team. Without a monthly subscription to fund all that extra staffing I just don’t see this happening, sadly.

There has always been a solution to this problem.

Make spells/effects etc behave differently. Have an extra tooltip. Problem solved.

Thanks Nearlight. I don’t have to have a support class… I just figured that a mesmer playing in WvW groups would be expected to play some dps+support role.

Honestly can’t make up my mind what I want to play.
I don’t like leveling and it seems like Arenanet in their all mighty wisdom has decided to nerf nearly any semi ‘quick’ path to 80.

Now I just gotta find something that is fun to play.

When Pyro says it… /le sigh. /Sad Panda

^ Why a shatter variant? Just curious what shatter does better?

My only discomfort with a build like that compared to a PU build, there is so much AOE and condi fields—-PU has been the only thing to keep me alive consistently in the worst of situations. I stay alive, I don’t know how much I contribute other than confusing the H 3 II out of the enemy.

I’ve played Power Pu before. What would shatter excel at while Raiding.

It wouldn’t be the end of the world if they did change it.

No sympathy from me, I main a mesmer and they ignore horrendous game breaking bugs but “Fix Bugs” that no one ever cared about.

Well, the group I will be running with will be larger than a havoc and smaller than a zerg. We run with about 15-20.

I remember seeing a video where the mesmer gave all kinds of boons to his group in a very short time. I thought maybe something like that would be good for group.

I would play a thief in my guild but they don’t need thieves. I thought about leveling an engineer, but they don’t need those either. I play a Mesmer, and the openings are for Necro, Guard or Mesmer.

Everyone talks about how fun guards are but I don’t know if I am feeling it. Wonder if Necro might be fun…

It might be true what you said and I am not hating on you personally for saying it but…

You didn’t answer my question and I didn’t ask for your opinion on the state of the class for Raiding WvW.

Is there a build that most of you agree is the best for Big group WvW?

Somehow I think what you all think is best is going to be different than what my GL wants me to do… and Ill swap professions before I turn into the veil/mass invis bish

a t s e.9614:

PU means : Im bad at this game, so I use a selfish traitline that deals no damage whatsoever but keeps me alive. I’m useless everywhere except in 1v1 against people who have alot of time to waste.

The question was, “What is PU?” Not, “Who is a troll?”

But hey, if it ever get’s asked on the forums, please, be sure to speak up.

No actual commentary on the builds he listed?

Carighan.6758:

Why… not?
Do you pick your classes for their power? O.o

I don’t pick classes because of their ‘power’. I pick classes based on how unique and fun I think the class would be to play. ie-I would never play a warrior.

However, it would be nice if Anet actually understood the mesmer class and fixed the myriad of documented bugs of the mesmer class.

They ask us to report the bugs and we as a community do. And then they ignore the bugs, all the while asking us to submit the bugs with the class.

At this point I have no faith that the devs of this game give a
kitten



about this class. They recently proved that by ignoring documented bugs and ‘fixing’ something that was never truly broke. Sword Ileap could have been fixed by changing the tool tip.

Personally, I am unsure whether I would of picked this class or not. I love WvW, I hate being pidgeon holed as a utility bot. The class is a lot of fun to play.

Bo Van Swill.7619:

As a mesmer main i only play WvW and i solo roam a lot and well if anyone thinks we are useless then they need to l2p because as a mesmer i can dish out huge damage or shut down player with condi’s Mesmers rock but we do need to have a few things buffed and the nerf every time they patch need’s to stop BUt overall mesmers rule.

Commas and periods are your friend.
There was ONE period in that whole sentence!

Toshere.1732:

Infinite TEAM swiftness can also be passed on with sigil of inspiration.

It is a very inexpensive way to have speed constantly, but you don’t need sigil of inspiration to share the speed buff with others. If people are nearby when you heal, they will get the speed buff.

You can set the mantra to auto cast so it will constantly refresh itself.