Guild Wars 2

What kind of equipment do you have, what is your class, what are the skills you are using, what are the traits you are using? I’m just curious if any of those might affect it.

Highly asked subject with a lot of contention, but people seem to lean towards no, you gotta use 75+, but no one knows for sure (or has stated as such on the forum) cause if someone has gotten them from 70+s, no one’s talking.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/Provide-more-Context-when-making-Significant-Class-Changes/

Suggestion involving them explaining more. Feel free to reply that you want to see this as well if you do, since you seem to be interested in such a thing.

Anyway, I’m not trying to say you’re wrong for what you’re doing. I was just saying what seems to trigger DR codes and what I do to avoid them. I’m not a dev so I have NO clue for 100% certain and if you wanna wait on a dev, I can’t say you’re wrong in doing that.

I just don’t think they’ll ever explain the mechanics. :/

Strill.2591:

EndlessDreamer.6780:

Strill, it’s doing the same event back to back. Did you do those five events in a chain or did you just sit at the camp waiting for the next spawn? If you break up events with other events, it delays DR.

I’m assuming this because I’ve tested it, though not enough to say for 100% sure. If I do the Orr defend the camp events in the last one and just do those ones without anything in between and just wait for the respawn of that single event without moving from the event area, Karma amounts start dropping after the 3rd iteration.

The same event back to back!? Why would anyone ever do that? That’s so horribly slow! And no, I’m referring to the maggot chain and the Penitent/Shelter’s Gate events.

One word: Botters. That’s who stays in the same area and don’t move and do the same event back to back because they’re not programmed not to. The original reason behind the DR code in the first place. :P

Again, I might be wrong. These are just the basics I’ve used and I have avoided DR. So obviously I’m doing something right.

And Strill, the events were designed to be actually finished. If you don’t agree, that’s fine, but event taggers run in to serious DR VERY fast. So obviously, not waiting for an entire event makes you do too many events in a single time period and is hitting the code. Sorry if you don’t trust me on that, but that’s what the evidence is pointing towards.

Oh! THOSE!

Ya, I can actually explain that potentially. There were a lot of people doing them with you, correct? The reason might be that you end up accidentally ‘speed running’ them just because of the sheer mass of players hitting the mobs in the camp. Thus you’re doing them faster than ANet expects them to be doable, thus triggering the code.

Because after a certain mass of players, no amount of scaling saves those poor mobs, especially if they aren’t wave events that are on timers. They have the potential to hit DR if people are doing them all in a chained row.

Strill, it’s doing the same event back to back. Did you do those five events in a chain or did you just sit at the camp waiting for the next spawn? If you break up events with other events, it delays DR.

I’m assuming this because I’ve tested it, though not enough to say for 100% sure. If I do the Orr defend the camp events in the last one and just do those ones without anything in between and just wait for the respawn of that single event without moving from the event area, Karma amounts start dropping after the 3rd iteration.

Which events Lone? And do you mean 7-8 parts of chain events or 7-8 chain events as a whole? Those are two very different things, especially in 40 minutes.

Also, reference part 1 of not getting DR:

- You go to different zones for karma after a time

Once you hit DR for a zone, you move, do events somewhere else then move back.

There DOES seem to be a DR for sheer amount of events in an hour, but if you aren’t tagging events and running, no one should conceivably hit that.

My friend and I do round of final Orr zone and Queensdale. You trade off amount of karma for sheer amount of events and their repetition and you even out pretty quickly but you don’t have to worry about losing out for DR.

What did they nerf with rangers that weren’t in the patch notes?

Are you in battle when you switch weapons every time? I’m just curious, because that mucked me up when I first got it (the same with Geomancy), since it only seems to proc when the weapon is ‘active’.

Learn what causes the DR and then stop banging your head in to a wall over and over again by repeating the same mistakes. People can farm karma for 3 hours straight and not hit DR once if you do it properly. But that requires:

- You go to different zones for karma after a time
- You COMPLETE entire events, not just tag and run
- You do a variety of different events in different areas of any single zone

If you don’t, you will run in to DR. Period. If you:

- Farm the same event back to back or very quickly in the same time period
- Tag and run events

You will hit DR.

Hm. I’d definitely say if it persists to report it, cause that’s really not normal if you just logged in and nothing. But I’d also maybe wait a bit to see if, again, you’re just having a bad night. None of the people in my guild that I’ve talked to (about 40ish people) so far have said their having issues, but it might be server related? I dunno.

You might just be on the tail end of the RNG.

If you got no loot on your first DE, then it’s not diminishing returns really. It’s either a bug or just really bad luck.

Give it a day or two and see if it’s still doing the same thing before blaming it on DR.

You can get actually up to 6 with exotics. I’ve gotten lucky once (and only once) doing that.

That or it was a bug.

What items are they?

Probably wasn’t actually some big conspiracy, just probably an oversight to be honest.

Cause ANet likes being able to make a bit of money off of vanity things like that? shrug

Not a bad suggestion.

It won’t stop whiners and people accusing the developers of having X class as their main, but it will at least pacify the people with half a shred of wanting to know the truth rather than lash out in annoyance.

vjek.4270:

It’s because players don’t have the official definition of “farming” from ArenaNet.

For some players, killing the same type of enemy over and over is farming. It may or may not be, according to ArenaNet.

Thus, the flailing / disconnect / anger / etc.

Very good point.

WasAGuest.4973:

EndlessDreamer.6780:

The main people complaining about DR so far are in the last area of Orr and are staying within their little bubble and not moving, thus kicking in DR by the fact that they aren’t moving.

I’m curious about the run as well; but quoted this for the following: It may be time for Anet to address the reason players are staying in these bubbles rather than either joining a zerg or roaming around Orr as they seem to want the players to do.

I definitely don’t disagree with this. Addressing the reason behind the problem.

I’m just insanely curious as to so many posts on DR and complaints about it when some of the major mechanics seem to be known and people seem to be doing things within the mechanics and expecting something different to happen.

Again, I’m not assuming this poster was one of them. It just is kind of baffling that:

Killing the same type of enemy over and over
Repeating the same event back to back
Repeating the same event multiple times during an hour
Killing enemies in around the same area over and over

Seem to cause DR and people seem honestly disturbed that they are getting DR when they’re doing 1 to 4 of these things.

Now, again, you’re right. There is an original problem potentially in the design where that seems the most alluring, but it could also be less in the design and more in ingrained habits that other games have put in.

But also the design due to a lot of it centering around tier 6 rare mats.

But the difference between karma in Orr and Queensdale in an hour is actually remarkably similar. You actually can potentially get a lot more gold in Queensdale than Orr due to more events spawning faster and them taking less time. More gold from drops from Orr, but those are negated by DR unless you area skip from what I can see, which isn’t hard, but people don’t want to do it.

I dunno. I’m just a bit confused.

Could potentially be considered scamming actually, which is something you can be banned for. Not sure if they would or not though.

23 years old, 20 hours a weekish, sometimes more.

If you look at each rune, they have bonuses. For every rune of X you have on your armor, you will get bonuses, up to the second number. So, if you have 2 minor runes of Dolyak, you will have 2/2.

There is a bug, however, that is reporting your PVP rune as that number. So mine is currently 12/6 Superior Runes of the Ranger.

However, it only misreports the number. You still get the proper rewards from the runes.

More information on your run please. Did you simply repeat the same event over and over? Did you do an event chain where you fought the same enemies in the same area over and over? Did you actually move around to different events in different areas/sides of the map? Did you attempt events in different map zones?

The main people complaining about DR so far are in the last area of Orr and are staying within their little bubble and not moving, thus kicking in DR by the fact that they aren’t moving.

I apologize if that’s not you, that’s just 99.9% of what I see in these threads. I’m just trying to confirm what I’m suspecting about DR by data gathering from this.

Oh, I missed the part where you were leaving areas with your farming character. I thought you were doing it with your alts, which is why I was so confused.

No clue then. Send in a support ticket and see what they have to say?

Cause DR does exist, they have said as much, but they have also said that it’s not supposed to effect people playing normally. It seems like it’s been bugged for a few people, so again, ticket might be your best answer in case the DR code just dislikes you.

Again, sorry for misreading your post. ^-^;

Ya, they would. But it is how it is. Legendaries aren’t easy, so making a difficult part easier just undermines the idea.

There isn’t a whole lot they can do. I mean, other than say that things can’t be sold over X value, but that’s not really much for a free market. If people can afford the items at those prices, they’ll be listed at them. If people can’t, then the people who list them will just lose out.

I think the point is that you can’t farm the same event over and over. You have to do other events as well. The same for farming the same mobs or farming in the same general area. If you notice that you are getting DR within an event, go do some others. I know if you do the same event too many times during an hour, your rewards will start to lower, but you can do an event right next to it and get full rewards if you haven’t done it at all.

I know the few times I’ve actually gotten DR I’ve managed to wipe it by just going to the opposite end of the field and killing stuff along the way.

Well now ya know.

It is still free. There is no confirmation as to how long this will last though, so they should transfer ASAP.

It seems to reset with dailies. 8pm EST.

I think that’s the case only cause I once ran TA at 12:00 am, upper path… and then ran it at 8pm the next day and got 60 for both.

ChairGraveyard.2967:

EndlessDreamer.6780:

ChairGraveyard.2967:

They nerfed the rate on up-tiering items in the Mystic Forge, though, so unless you got your exploiting in and made thousands of gold or dozens of precursors, don’t ever expect to get one.

Really? You mean they removed the bug where specific items that were too low a level popped them out with a large chance that was obviously a bug?

No, that’s not what I’m talking about at all. Yes, they also fixed the low level Godskull weapons exploit.

In addition to the fix for that exploit, they additionally stealth nerfed the chance to up-tier weapons in the Mystic Forge (by a LOT) using the legitimate method (i.e., level 80 rares to exotic).

Given that this is the first time I’ve heard about this (and good lord, do people LOVE to complain about stealth nerfs because obviously ANet is evil and doesn’t want us to enjoy it’s game), I’m taking it with a grain of salt.

Given that it seems that the entire log-in/log-out no longer resets DR? I mean, going with the DR fanatics speculation?

Your idea of simply popping on to an alt and then popping back on to your main… In the same area… So you’re changing nothing about the code for that character at all…

Ya, no wonder you’re running in to the farming code. Durr.

Go farm in different areas and see what happens.

Send in a support ticket. One of the ANet people said this in another thread, and I can find it if you want.

Oh the DR people would love that response. They already are having more than enough of a fun time assuming ANet is out there only to spoil their fun.

The ever wonderful world of people believing what they want to believe, no matter what they’re told and no matter what evidence there is or there is lacking. Link to the evidence of this supposed DR with people who have used sufficient data gathering and proper methods and controls please.

I’ve seen no difference. Could you give a bit more detail? I’ve always gotten 0-3 off of yellows, 1 most commonly, and 0-5 off of exotics. My rate of break down seems the same as always.

Ah. They work for me, so maybe toss support a ticket their way and ask what’s up?

I know, I was just pointing out that if this does happen, it’d take a lot of work on their part, so that people should understand why it doesn’t implement. Sorry. Was just trying to make a point. ^-^;

I got exotics from mine. They were, unfortunately, low level ones, but eh.

They’re implementing what seems to be a token system by the looks of it though so you can get items you actually want through this. They also said they’re compensating players who have completed it by the time it happens. So…

ChairGraveyard.2967:

They nerfed the rate on up-tiering items in the Mystic Forge, though, so unless you got your exploiting in and made thousands of gold or dozens of precursors, don’t ever expect to get one.

Really? You mean they removed the bug where specific items that were too low a level popped them out with a large chance that was obviously a bug?

Fair. But what about cultural armor that is bound to that character?

Zudet, please take a statistics class to learn why 10 is a horrible, horrible sample size. It’s a common mistake a large amount of the community makes. Seeing diminishing returns on a very small sample size is also known as bad luck.

Also, if you’re going to quote numbers, use all of them, not just one set of numbers and then saying it happens every time. That allows others to check your facts.

Since you can get them for free anyway with a quick walk over to the HoM, I believe they might have removed the ability to directly transmute them. Unless you mean applying them, which I have no idea what the issue is.

Submit a ticket and they should work with you from there.

Huge huge huge issue with story quest problems, etc if they allowed this. Just to do the pre-requisite wrench in the gears.

<3 this post. Thank you.

Well, there were also times where items were ENORMOUSLY underpriced. Rags and Tattered garments were going for a handful of copper and people used that to make hundreds of gossamer and sell for 10-20x profit.

So ya, people got really lucky playing the market really early. Some might have used broken points in the game. I’m not going to say that they did or didn’t. Either way, ANet let them keep the money and items, so obviously they’re golden.

Literally.

Unfortunately, they can’t return items right now. They are working on a roll back system, but it will affect your entire account and from what they’ve said, will not be recommended for a singular item.

Huh. Was the third bag a specific kind or just a normal bag?