Guild Wars 2

Hardly a debate, just trying to help the guy pick a good class. If you want to ZvZ, GvG the last thing you want to pick is a ranger, followed by thief. Unless you enjoy being a veil bot you would not play a mesmer either.

Lighter.5631:

Excalibur.9748:

Lighter.5631:

Excalibur.9748:

Rym.1469:

Warrior, Thief or Mesmer

Thief – terrible in ZvZ/GvG.
Mesmer – a Veil Bot for ZvZ/GvG.

do you even ZvZ/GvG noob.

Yes and this is the concensus.

Lol, go on lying, just by that comment above shows that you know nothing about zvz gvg

Ask anyone.

Lighter.5631:

Excalibur.9748:

Rym.1469:

Warrior, Thief or Mesmer

Thief – terrible in ZvZ/GvG.
Mesmer – a Veil Bot for ZvZ/GvG.

do you even ZvZ/GvG noob.

Yes and this is the concensus.

ilr.9675:

I saw a warrior last night on IOJ that confused the hell out of me.
“she” (probably not IRL gender) was completely immune to all of the following, all of the time:

• Cripple SPAM
• knockback
• burning (litterally stood in my fire trap, never caught fire)
• Immobs
• any physical damage (just out-regened it!) … poison didn’t seem to debuff this btw.

…3 of us all tried to focus her, she just teleported away with that sword whirl faster than any FGS Ele I’ve ever seen before. …. like if this game had 50% faster movement speed?? Well she had like 100% … that’s how fast her disengage was and I’m on double sword roaming ranger which even Ele and Thieves have trouble disengaging from. ….My guild leader just said ignore her. “She’s trolling us”.

I don’t understand this and I need someone to explain it to me. …Just like a month ago everyone was whining that Warrior was the weakest crap there was in PvP’ing. There was a survey where they were dead last. ….someone explain how all those things are allowed, b/c yes, I’ve heard people say that warriors can build to shrug off pretty much everything

Just need berserker stance, stability, and healing signet to do that. And greatsword for the disengage. Pretty common setup nowadays for war.

3. strip their stability off and CC to death.

Berserker stance.

dDuff.3860:

I have some information that Inf.strike will now cripple, PW will immobilize instead stun.
But i don’t know what buffs we will get for it.
Thoughts?

Rage Quit QQ

Rym.1469:

Warrior, Thief or Mesmer

Thief – terrible in ZvZ/GvG.
Mesmer – a Veil Bot for ZvZ/GvG.

Warrior no doubt.

Myrmidian Eudoros.4671:

Excalibur.9748:

If a thief can’t kill every single class it’s utterly useless because it’s made out of glass…

Not entirely true. Even really good thieves struggle with some match ups 1v1 but can still be highly effective. Mobility can be the most devastating weapon that a thief has when used correctly. If you catch some high level thieves on stream you will note that they often avoid engaging 1v1’s that would be far too time consuming (win or lose) in order to (for instance) de-cap far and then return quickly to the team fight for a numbers advantage. Damage output is one strong point of thieves, but it isn’t the only one, and strategic movement about the map cannot be executed by any class remotely as well as it can be done by Thief. There are classes that are on even footing in 1v1 combat but all other things being equal the only counter to Thief mobility is Thief mobility.

Yes but I’m afraid thief is about to lose that mobility in the future. Yes the one in clocktower where you can #5 up there. Im usually right with my gut feeling too.

Now let me explain. In the beginning you could #5 to any place you could see. Then they added LOS. Then they made it so that you can’t shadow step to places you can’t walk to.

The clocktower is an exception to that rule. I really think thief mobility will not be all that after it’s “patched”.

So really, only advantage to a thief SHOULD be its ability to kill a target 1v1, and if it can’t, it really is useless. (in the future, when thief mobility is gutted)

FancyNancy.6709:

Those hard spec is actually strong as well, but they take times to learn and master, whereas stupid build take no effort to learn or whatever and can even beat top player

Now what happens when you put a TOP player on a spec that even the lowest common denominator can do well in?

kaikalii.4198:

FancyNancy.6709:

Excalibur.9748:

There is no point in handicapping yourself on purpose. I don’t mind playing my favorite build if it is not the most overpowered build, but I don’t like to put myself in a position to work extra hard to get kills. Bunker warrior is in very good position right now, minimal effort, maximum wins. Why would you NOT play it? For the challenge?

1 of the example of S tier kitten

I agree with Fancy here. The entire reason I play PvP is because it is challenging. To me playing things like bunker warrior is just as boring as PvE. I want an interesting, dynamic play style where losing is a substantial possibility.

I play for fun and winning is fun for me.

There is no point in handicapping yourself on purpose. I don’t mind playing my favorite build if it is not the most overpowered build, but I don’t like to put myself in a position to work extra hard to get kills. Bunker warrior is in very good position right now, minimal effort, maximum wins. Why would you NOT play it? For the challenge?

Yea it is a blast to play stealthless S/D like guild wars 1 assassin. Ofcourse that is the reason why I picked this class in the first place.

Had no idea it could do perma stealth shenanigans.

Svarty.8019:

magical giant.8650:

I’m currently playing as thief and I’m new to this proffesion (still learning) so I got this huge roadblock I need to pass, namely necromancers. How do you take a necromancer out as a thief?

Maybe you aren’t supposed to be able to kill everybody.

I need people to explain how my guardian kills… any other class.

If a thief can’t kill every single class it’s utterly useless because it’s made out of glass. Guardian that can’t kill every single class is still highly in demand and used on every team because it can bunker.

people call it perma evade when really it is not. it’s a build with tons of openings. yes less opening than other builds, but the thief is also built like a sheet of glass.

maybe I should reroll healing signet warrior? :P

Why even ask? You know you want to :P

Ironically, a warrior is the one best equipped to deal with another CC war (either hammer or mace). They stun and try to do damage while I shrug it off with sustain from healing signet, adrenal health, and regen banners. I don’t even need to pop a utility. If I was on any other class would be in a bad position though.

So I can believe Anastasis when he says he rarely loses against a CC war with his own war. Not saying you can’t kill a war with another class, but it’s gonna be harder and you have to outplay the war. I mean like, why do I have to outplay my opponent to get a kill? What’s the point of that…. I’m sure ele can relate, they basically have to outplay everyone these days to secure kills.

^^^^ No war doesn’t suck. Every single person that has rerolled warrior is happy with it and I don’t know of anyone who actually said warrior sucked after trying it out. The common scenario is commenting on how easy it is to do well on a warrior and remarking that they’re better on the warrior than the main they spent hundred of hours on.

You obviously don’t play a warrior

No I play a war. Shout healing is getting buffed too on oct. 15

Withdraw can be utilised to remove immob and if i remember correctly other movement impairing effects. HIS also stealths you for 3/4 secs, which lets you mitigate a lot of damage. You already said it yourself; completely passive.
Why are people like you so ignorant and simply don’t get that this means
we don’t have healing on demand?

Shout healing, not that wars need it with that much HPS.

There is always a tradeoff.
Take mending for example, no passive, slightly lesser heal, cond removal.
Surge – Low heal when adrenaline is low but fills it up, on the other hand you have wasted adrenal potential but higher heal when used at 3 bars. No cond removal.
Signet – No active heal, yes hps might be good but a lot is wasted due to full hp bar when ooc, you don’t get to chose when you heal thus making it vulnerable to
poison. No cond removal.

Yes but they are underpowered compared to healing signet. Or healing signet is overpowered compared to them. It’s the latter.

People take the signet because it fits the bunkering playstyle.

Not true. Every single warrior takes the healing signet now. It’s all you ever see.

And btw did it ever occur to the people here that you might see so many warriors
in pvp because the forums (and ofc ingame chat as well) get spammed by people claiming them to be OP?

True, but that’s inevitable. Once a class gets that OP, it’s bound to get bandwagoned.

We tell people to roll a warrior because it’s the best way to deal with the current situation especially considering it only takes minutes at most to reroll.

Lighter.5631:

Excalibur.9748:

silentnight warrior.2714:

Excalibur.9748:

silentnight warrior.2714:

Master of Timespace.2548:

Excalibur.9748:

just reroll a warrior, all the cool kids are doing it.

This.

Or a thief, mesmer…

Or wait to the patch notes were will be introduced more counters to CC.

those classes don’t have healing signet.

Thats the point… They dont need one.

They won’t be as good as the war w/o it though.

LOL, why are you still here, you still don’t feel embarrassed because of all the stupidity you have posted? thieves and mesmers with healing signet will die like paper, if you actually know your job better.

You’re the one who is clueless. If thief got healing signet every single thief would be using it. The HPS is more than twice as good as withdraw, HIS etc. All this completely passive and no way to interrupt.

Armor is useless VS conditions, so is HP, thats why I was running Lyssa Runes and Bask Venom. But, the meta isnt built around conditions, sorry. And speaking from a standpoint of simple numbers, Soldiers+Berserkers will always offer more EHP and DPS compared to Valkyrie and Berserkers when built to similar levels of EHP, it has nothing to do with traits or weapon sets, thats just how it is based on the numbers.

You’d have same EHP with valkyrie or soldiers VS conditions, but valkyrie would grant more critical damage. By saying HP is useless vs conditions is like saying EHP is useless.

And stats do differ for different weapons, if you run full zerk with S/D you’d get pwned while it is okay for D/P. The mere fact that you don’t run S/D anymore says to me that stat combo you run is no good for it.

trinity sucks, especially in ff14.

tired of 1 hour queue times when you’re a DPS using the duty finder.

ekleenex.1654:

Excalibur.9748:

silentnight warrior.2714:

Excalibur.9748:

silentnight warrior.2714:

Master of Timespace.2548:

Excalibur.9748:

just reroll a warrior, all the cool kids are doing it.

This.

Or a thief, mesmer…

Or wait to the patch notes were will be introduced more counters to CC.

those classes don’t have healing signet.

Thats the point… They dont need one.

They won’t be as good as the war w/o it though.

Oh god…

Healing signet is useless against any burst/poison. Put pressure on a warrior and they will break so fast. You know what the hard counter is to FoTM builds? You one shot them.

maybe stop being a glass cannon and you wouldn’t break so fast.

silentnight warrior.2714:

Excalibur.9748:

silentnight warrior.2714:

Master of Timespace.2548:

Excalibur.9748:

just reroll a warrior, all the cool kids are doing it.

This.

Or a thief, mesmer…

Or wait to the patch notes were will be introduced more counters to CC.

those classes don’t have healing signet.

Thats the point… They dont need one.

They won’t be as good as the war w/o it though.

silentnight warrior.2714:

Master of Timespace.2548:

Excalibur.9748:

just reroll a warrior, all the cool kids are doing it.

This.

Or a thief, mesmer…

Or wait to the patch notes were will be introduced more counters to CC.

those classes don’t have healing signet.

i think you mean outside of PvP, becuz bunker warriors are very popular

once again people are trying to define the S/D meta even though they don’t even use it for WvW.

you mean it can get worse than right now?

just reroll a warrior, all the cool kids are doing it.

PvP rank is near useless anyways, skill is what matters.

Incurafy.6329:

You shouldn’t use Valkyrie, Ghost, you should use more Zerker + Soldier pieces. Look for Wish’s “building a better D/D Thief” thread for all of his math and stuff which shows why Zerker + Soldier is optimal.

that’s D/D (different playstyle, different traits, leads into different equipment) and valkyrie can be worth it. armor is useless vs conditions (not a good thing when it’s condi meta and considering low base thief HP), and useless vs fall damage. does his formula even take into account that? i don’t think so.

WvW is still PvE. sPvP is PvP.

maximum survival is longbow/greatsword running bunker build imo.

there is no meta for S/D for WvW, because people like to use D/P instead. so in other words, do whatever you want

last balance patch made it even worse so i don’t have high hopes for it. according to the preview, then the balance will still suck.

roamzero.9486:

My guess is that it’ll be too strong against classes that don’t have decent mobility, and too weak against classes that can just shrug it off (warriors with 98% immob reduction for example).

Still I look forward to trying it, but I still think the vuln stacking should be move to unload and replaced with something else. Maybe make body shot cause immob and be a blast finisher and call it a day.

you can easily counter the -98% with +70% from koi cake and 30 in DA (yes it’s additive)

Monoman.2068:

It sounds somewhat broken in a group setting though since it can be spammed. I have a lot of trouble seeing how this is even a thing.

cripple can already be spammed, noone said that’s OP

Cynz.9437:

we have a thief leading karma train in EB, everyone loves him..<_<

but i would say go guardian for utility and tankiness

how does that work? what kind of build does he run?

Contiguous.1345:

Y , we have a D/D Elementalist commander I’ve never seen downed.

you mean like when the whole zerg gets wiped, it still doesn’t die? or are you saying whenever he leads, his group never gets wiped?

Ichishi.9613:

I am a 5 signet warrior. I have huge problems with thieves. They need to be toned down.
First of all, they have stealth. When they stealth, I can’t hit them. This is stupid. I use my skills, they go on cooldown but nothing happens to thief. With one skill, thief ignores anything I can put on my skill bar. It needs to be nerfed.
Secondly, mobility. I understand thieves must be superior at movement, but not to this extent. I, while considering myself a decent warrior, am unable to use effectively any of my melee weapons against a thief. Sometimes, they manage to attack me in melee and get out of range before I can retaliate. That is so wrong. Thief mobility should be toned down.
Thirdly. The skills they spam. Why do I and 4 other classes have more or less balanced skills with balanced cooldowns while thief alone gets skills it can spam infinitely? If I use my skill to defend myself against a thief attack, my skill goes on cooldown but thief can use that attack again. And again. It is simply unfair. Thief skills should have longer cooldowns and higher costs.
Lastly. I thank developers for listening to me previous suggestion (about thieves being able to strip a boons from a 60-second cooldown skill with a PRESS OF A SINGLE BUTTON ANY TIME THEY WANT) and reducing the amount of boons stolen s/d dual skill. I still think it will be op and will need further nerfing.
/sarcasm

sad thing is that’s what warriors actually think.

Anubarak.3012:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Cyhann.2609:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Cyhann.2609:

But in the end it’s dagger because the last attack on sword isn’t too reliable.

I would think that those who uses Sword will make sure that the 3rd attack, the highest damage of the sequence, hits — I know I do.

Yes, sure but that doesn’t make it quicker and less telegraphed and easy to evade with
walking compared to the dagger one, and it’s quite annyoing to make sure that the last
hit actually hits imo, and I would really prefer a quicker animation like the one from
the warrior, even if it would make less dmg then, since it feels way more fluid. And
stupid looking attacks like those don’t fit the fast/stealthy theme of the thief anyway.
But in the end I guess it’s just personal preference, but I really think that those
animations should be swapped since it also feels off on the warrior, but whatever.

Warriors are Anet’s little brats. We can’t do anything about that, so comparing us to them will be a waste of time. The funny part is, Anet still think that we are the ones who needs to be nerfed. lol.

But when you compare warriors dmg vs thief dmg and know the math behind without any prejudices you’ll see thieves do more dmg than warrior. Maybe you call me stupid but every elite PvE guild knows that, even warriors know that. The only one who don’t know this fact are mostly thieves….. sad v.v

warrior has banner of strength and banner of discipline. thief only does more damage than warrior with those warrior banners. pretty sad imo

no point gimping yourself by using healing surge.

yes very soon.

T2 – Tarnished coast

Reset night – Queue can be up to an hour
EB may have the odd queue but all other maps never have a queue.

18 kills, 0 deaths

Why does K/D ratio matter in sPvP? almost instant respawn anyways. remember this is conquest mode, not deathmatch where K/D ratio obviously actually matters.

Thief is completely useless outside of trolling stragglers. They should have more of a role in zergs.

Rigel.3092:

A four signet warrior, wow…..shakeshead

Those utilities look solid to me.

Yes condi-war is definately a thing.

Rama.6439:

DAVYtm.7168:

My guess is:

1. SoR
2. JQ
3. BG
4. TC
5. FA
6. Maguuma

Handin.4032:

Excalibur.9748:

how many guilds did TC lose? Can you list them?

As far as I know, TC only list ZN (To get back with guilds they had played with a long time ago) and WvW (not sure of their reasons), and I believe both went to BG. TC did lose some individual players (not a lot) to JQ, but thats it.

We lost [WvW] to JQ as well.

You also lost most of RE, a bunch of CERN, and other mixed players, and they weren’t “bought” they just had their transfers payed for, we wanted to go there. I tried and tried to get TC to recruit, when guilds were moving and other servers were recruiting, I told TC that they needed to recruit, and they said it was not a good idea, that they could handle it, that the militia would step up, and the pve crowd would show up and help out, LMAO, well, look what happened, hope your pve militia shows up for our matchup.

enjoy your queue on reset night bro.