Guild Wars 2

You have to be top1 in one category (kills, defenses, captures, neutralizes, resurrections, forest creaturees killed…). I’ve seen 200+ point games without being top in anything sometimes, then 100 points games with a lot of top player in multiple categories. In fact I’m not sure if being just top player counts by itself (it’s hard, but it’s possible to be top player without leading on any category, so I don’t know if that would result on a top count or not).
A trick to get at least 1 if you can’t, is to resurrect a downed ally. I play with Shadow Refuge for multiple reasons, and it’s an excellent tool to get resurrection points.

If you just play to win games, you should be able to get daily top stats as a natural result.

On my thief, I used to get top stat for either points(from killing) or player kills (skirmisher?) with almost no points for defending/neutralizing points. Then on my warrior I’d have low points but get top stats for resurrecting, or defending/neutralizing points.

Divinity.8041:

caed quit today

it must be fun playing a glass cannon burst that can’t burst anyone down , but gets bursted by everyone else

Cyhann.2609:

3 Warriors 1 Necro > 5 Necros

3 warriors 1 necro 1 guardian may be the next meta!

aspirine.6852:

jonra.4073:

The thief is a total rockstar in the hands of the right player=))))))))))))

Watching yishis play on youtube I have to agree. I imagine he is just very good and kitten make any class look good, but what class can do what he does with his thief in his vids.

warrior

i think you need to be top 1 for that top player bonus

Meh there is no dodging necessary here, just need to stand in 1 spot and spam some skills. Don’t act like this is actually hard lol. Conditions, what conditions? They do no damage anyways. Didn’t use a single condition clear.

is the instance supposed to be hard? it was like infantile mode for my build that solo’d liadri the concealing dark/queen’s gauntlet.

i’d rather it be shaved. power creep is just really bad.

also at least D/D ele takes skill.

Ashanor.5319:

Excalibur.9748:

Ashanor.5319:

Excalibur.9748:

You know what I saw? Five members of a team playing the same class, but with builds that were different enough that they could still support each other as a team. Isn’t that how it should be? Shouldn’t every class be able to perform every role to at least some degree? Isn’t that a good model to base other class updates on? I wouldn’t call diversity broken. Sure, it makes it a bit difficult to be prepared for each build you could come across, but diversity is a good thing.

That’s a good spin but it would still be pretty dumb if in the final match of PAX, it was 5 warriors vs 5 warriors. You would not be able to bring in any new players at all, since it would be obvious that the PvP in the game is extremely broke.

Except, that is never going to happen, ever. Your point is invalid.

Yes because you’re a prophet? IMO it’s heading towards that direction and I think you can expect to see 5 warrior teams in the next major tournament if no major changes in the current meta.

I seriously doubt it. lol

You know, I don’t even have to seriously doubt it. It isn’t going to happen. Maybe if a team decided it would be funny, but then they basically forfeit a win since they aren’t going to win overall with that.

Considering warrior has the most build diversity right now and can fulfill basically any role, I see good chance of it happening. Ofcourse it will take some time for top teams to adopt the all-warrior meta. But the trend is heading towards that direction.

Ashanor.5319:

Excalibur.9748:

You know what I saw? Five members of a team playing the same class, but with builds that were different enough that they could still support each other as a team. Isn’t that how it should be? Shouldn’t every class be able to perform every role to at least some degree? Isn’t that a good model to base other class updates on? I wouldn’t call diversity broken. Sure, it makes it a bit difficult to be prepared for each build you could come across, but diversity is a good thing.

That’s a good spin but it would still be pretty dumb if in the final match of PAX, it was 5 warriors vs 5 warriors. You would not be able to bring in any new players at all, since it would be obvious that the PvP in the game is extremely broke.

Except, that is never going to happen, ever. Your point is invalid.

Yes because you’re a prophet? IMO it’s heading towards that direction and I think you can expect to see 5 warrior teams in the next major tournament if no major changes in the current meta.

You know what I saw? Five members of a team playing the same class, but with builds that were different enough that they could still support each other as a team. Isn’t that how it should be? Shouldn’t every class be able to perform every role to at least some degree? Isn’t that a good model to base other class updates on? I wouldn’t call diversity broken. Sure, it makes it a bit difficult to be prepared for each build you could come across, but diversity is a good thing.

That’s a good spin but it would still be pretty dumb if in the final match of PAX, it was 5 warriors vs 5 warriors. You would not be able to bring in any new players at all, since it would be obvious that the PvP in the game is extremely broke.

thief is still good at disengaging and sticking to targets.

i play a build whch specializes in chasing targets and it is still good at that at least. Going in getting a kill, and if it doesn’t go well – get out.

Warrior is a better bet in virtually everything else. It’s also good at disengaging to boot. With immobilize stacking warrior is also good at sticking to targets. So really, I can’t persuade you, it’s actually over. Thief prime is over.

Next nerf – thief class will no longer be a playable class, and is replaced by warrior.

aspry.6975:

Peow peow.2189:

just roll a warrior, better investment

sad truth

Roll a warrior for better investment of your time and effort unless you REALLY like the thief gameplay.

Another warrior.

Cynz.9437:

you ever through that the more you play the higher rank you have, the better players you face?

as for changing strategie etc, it takes time to get used but helps in long run

i think simpliest example i could bring is: years ago i used to play a game and never used mouse, just keyboard (what they call keyboard turner), eventually i hit the wall where good players would wipe the floor with me; i switched to mouse and got beaten even by worst players for first 2 weeks or so…once i got used to mouse i was killing players that were way way higher ranked than me

infantry online?

Aiblush.3865:

Excalibur.9748:

Aiblush.3865:

TLDR; Stop trying so hard to be a party pooper sheesh haha

Well some people are taking this video seriously. I mean why would you nerf evade just based on this video? The spec isn’t that OP at all imo.

You are the one to talk about others taking it too seriously? Lol >_>!

I wasn’t gonna, but some people made some comment about broken mechanics and wants to nerf evades cuz of it. So I just wanna see if it’s really that broke after all.

I don’t get why you are so passionate about attacking this build with all these rainbow of things lol.

Well firstly, this video is 4 months old and it paints an unfair picture as to the effectiveness of this build.

Secondly, it’s not perma evasion. Even assuming disabling shot has no after cast which I doubt, it still has 1/4s activation time so at best that’s 75% evasion uptime.

3rdly, this build has no real damage at all if you want to maintain “perma” evasion. If you’re evading, you’re doing no damage. And if you’re using disabling shot you’re basically also doing no damage. If you’re using auto attack or cluster bomb then you’re no longer evading.

Aiblush.3865:

Excalibur.9748:

Aiblush.3865:

Excalibur.9748:

please do not necro. thief is worthless now, and warrior is god mode….

a lot has changed in the span of 4 months.

I don’t believe this has anything to do with a thief’s worthiness ._.
It is just for entertainment.
I recently trolled around with this build with Jayvux few days back, and it seemed untouched by Anet and still trolly as evaaa

a lot has changed. you can try that build vs my warrior. i’ll type /sleep and I still doubt you can do any damage to me.

A lot has changed in the last few days? 0_0 I am pretty updated with the state of thieves. First off, it isn’t a competitive build hehe; the build is originally made for merely evading and fun not for killing, please refer to the video’s description on YT; dmg output is its weakest link. Challenging someone’s weakness, such an admirable man

oh ok. well why is the thief losing HP if it’s “perma” evade?

Aiblush.3865:

Excalibur.9748:

please do not necro. thief is worthless now, and warrior is god mode….

a lot has changed in the span of 4 months.

I don’t believe this has anything to do with a thief’s worthiness ._.
It is just for entertainment.
I recently trolled around with this build with Jayvux few days back, and it seemed untouched by Anet and still trolly as evaaa

a lot has changed. you can try that build vs my warrior. i’ll type /sleep and I still doubt you can do any damage to me.

please do not necro. thief is worthless now, and warrior is god mode….

a lot has changed in the span of 4 months.

Warrior received a bunch of buffs (cleansing ire, berserker stance, healing signet, 25% passive movement increase trait w/ melee weapons, dogged march -33% condition duration on yourself and regen)
Thief received a bunch of nerfs (larcenous strike only steal 1 boon, larcenous strike ini increase, cluster bomb range reduction, shortbow AA no longer homing, lotus poison nerf)

Just use your warrior for everything now. It is strictly better in everything from PvE, to WvW, to PvP, to roaming.

Condi bunker war with doom sigil.

Ashanor.5319:

Excalibur.9748:

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

I speak for the opposite camp on this one. I have no issue with warrior’s. I really don’t see what the fuss is about. I see them get dropped by single targets..I see them get dropped by mobs..the same as every other profession. However, I do understand many would like things easier rather than just get better.

We already know warriors have no issues with other warriors, that’s why everyone is rerolling one if not already playing one.

Yes, and many non warrior players who aren’t bad don’t have problems with warrior either. Of course “Excalibur”, players like yourself are excluded from this. Do you even sPvP because last time you were whining about warrior you were a bad and undergeared WvW S/D thief. Mind posting your PvP stats?

Already posted. Look in my post history if you wanna see it. And stop stalking me bro. It’s getting creeeepy.

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

I speak for the opposite camp on this one. I have no issue with warrior’s. I really don’t see what the fuss is about. I see them get dropped by single targets..I see them get dropped by mobs..the same as every other profession. However, I do understand many would like things easier rather than just get better.

We already know warriors have no issues with other warriors, that’s why everyone is rerolling one if not already playing one.

infantrydiv.1620:

Your thread doesn’t even have the two actual competitive builds available to thief…

10/30/0/0/30 D/P

and

10/30/0/30/0 S/D

This. Thief is low tier now even with these 2 best builds.

you mean there is no chance low MMR can beat high MMR?

power creep is bad and you should feel bad.

Thief roll is to troll. If that can even be counted as a roll.

BurrTheKing.8571:

Excalibur.9748:

Barret.4095:

I love how that in the span of 4-5 months the QQ went from Necro > S/D Thieves > Spirit Rangers > Warrior and without really any significant changes. I wonder what the next one is gonna be. Can’t wait till a decent player comes up with the new fotm build and everyone can hop on the next QQ banwagon.

Necro was nerfed.
Spirit ranger was nerfed.
S/D thief was nerfed.

The next one is still gonna be warrior until it gets nerfed or another class gets significantly buffed to counter it.

All those nerfs were very small, all 3 of those are still viable (not 100% sure about Thief, someone enlighten me). What most people propose are wide-sweeping changes that would totally change the class. Nobody complained about Cleansing Ire, Zerker Stance, Brawn, or weapon buffs until Healing was changed. It took all those puzzle pieces come together to get Warrior where they are now, so it stands to reason that messing with too much will flip the table the puzzle is laying on.

The thief nerf is significant. It’s a 50% nerf to the utility of one of its most used skills. As a result, it’s no longer able to kill bunkers. It remains to see whether it’s still viable in tournaments.

Barret.4095:

I love how that in the span of 4-5 months the QQ went from Necro > S/D Thieves > Spirit Rangers > Warrior and without really any significant changes. I wonder what the next one is gonna be. Can’t wait till a decent player comes up with the new fotm build and everyone can hop on the next QQ banwagon.

Necro was nerfed.
Spirit ranger was nerfed.
S/D thief was nerfed.

The next one is still gonna be warrior until it gets nerfed or another class gets significantly buffed to counter it.

TheGuy.3568:

First toon I ever lvled was a P/D thief. The main issues are that it is very easy for most targets to get away. Other condi specs will blow you out of the water. D/D D/P S/D just have an easier time doing targets. That being said. If you want to solo camps and towers in seconds (if you can get in) then yes P/D is the way to go. If a player chooses to stay they your attrition will beat most classes.

Last time I ran into a P/D thief solo in WvW on my DD thief I could barely touch him. He got me to like 20 percent life I created a gap and his DPS just stopped. It is the same story cross class the chase is so bad for WvW even with the new body shot.

@Demonts

Skill 1 bleeds,l 2 vulnerability and immobilize, 3 torment, 4 cripple, 5 vulnerability. If you use venom and runes you can apply many more conditions.

yep, this guy knows what he is talking about. I play S/D focused ENTIRELY on being able to chase targets, which is especially important now due to how many warriors there are just roaming about happily.

This is why we call P/D a trolling build, because it can’t kill only troll.

a t s e.9614:

Join them , its PvP it takes 30 sec to make a char.

best advice, it’s common sense. if you can’t beat them, then join ’em.

DavyMcB.1603:

Excalibur.9748:

DavyMcB.1603:

Mackdose.6504:

DavyMcB.1603:

Ascended Weapons don’t make any significant stat difference. Even crit dmg on berserk is the same as that of exotics. Ascended armors are pretty much gonna follow the same pattern.

It’s only the trinkets. And trinkets are very easy to get.

Stop whining.

Err. This is completely false.

The ascended weapon has a higher base damage, therefore it is the most influencial piece in regards to damage output.

yeah… 50 more…. holy jesus now I got 1 shot!!!!!!!111111!!!11

berserk trinket +crit dmg. It is the most influential price in dmg output.

that 50 more damage is 5% more total damage, like a force sigil. It’s still the most influential piece in dmg output.

That 50 more is a +50 WEAPON BASE dmg. sigil of force is TOTAL BASE DMG*(1.05)

it’s still close enough to 5% more total damage if you plug it into formulas and calculate.

cluster bomb is hard to land, that’s what’s keeping it from being OP imo

DavyMcB.1603:

Mackdose.6504:

DavyMcB.1603:

Ascended Weapons don’t make any significant stat difference. Even crit dmg on berserk is the same as that of exotics. Ascended armors are pretty much gonna follow the same pattern.

It’s only the trinkets. And trinkets are very easy to get.

Stop whining.

Err. This is completely false.

The ascended weapon has a higher base damage, therefore it is the most influencial piece in regards to damage output.

yeah… 50 more…. holy jesus now I got 1 shot!!!!!!!111111!!!11

berserk trinket +crit dmg. It is the most influential price in dmg output.

that 50 more damage is 5% more total damage, like a force sigil. It’s still the most influential piece in dmg output.

Ashanor.5319:

Excalibur.9748:

Ashanor.5319:

Excalibur.9748:

Stun being “shaved” was a bug fix everyone knew was coming. That was not a change based on a class being overpowered, but having a bugged sigil. It also effected many classes, not just warrior.

Use your brain to think. It’s quite obviously warrior stun getting out of hand that caused the bug to get addressed.

Your post basically went something like this;
I suck at fighting warriors and know nothing about them, please help. Then two days later you decided it was time to spam warrior forums with nerf posts. You have been discredited countless times.

Well based on the knowledge I gained from the first topic (the one where I get advice on how to deal with warriors) I knew that warrior is actually OP since I was using one of the so-called “counters” and still had immense difficulty.

At the end of the day, warrior is still OP and my initial stance has not changed.

Ever consider that your inability to properly play S/D was the problem, and not warriors?

Embarrassing. lol

Nope it had nothing to do with my playing ability. It’s also not a counter at all, warrior has all the tools necessary to deal with an S/D thief. I deal with it fine when I’m on my bunker war.

You seriously think a S/D thief doesn’t have the advantage vs a warrior? lol

I’m not saying I don’t tear bad S/D thieves to shreds, but a good one has the advantage without a doubt. Maybe they aren’t as faceroll as mesmer vs a warrior, but they are still considered strong vs warrior.

I honestly don’t think S/D is a counter to warrior, otherwise I wouldn’t have abandoned my S/D thief (zerk ammy with celestial gem aka glass cannon!) for a warrior! I rage quit a game one time when I saw this warrior’s HP not drop at all from my AA. That warrior is me these days.

Ashanor.5319:

Excalibur.9748:

Stun being “shaved” was a bug fix everyone knew was coming. That was not a change based on a class being overpowered, but having a bugged sigil. It also effected many classes, not just warrior.

Use your brain to think. It’s quite obviously warrior stun getting out of hand that caused the bug to get addressed.

Your post basically went something like this;
I suck at fighting warriors and know nothing about them, please help. Then two days later you decided it was time to spam warrior forums with nerf posts. You have been discredited countless times.

Well based on the knowledge I gained from the first topic (the one where I get advice on how to deal with warriors) I knew that warrior is actually OP since I was using one of the so-called “counters” and still had immense difficulty.

At the end of the day, warrior is still OP and my initial stance has not changed.

Ever consider that your inability to properly play S/D was the problem, and not warriors?

Embarrassing. lol

Nope it had nothing to do with my playing ability. It’s also not a counter at all, warrior has all the tools necessary to deal with an S/D thief. I deal with it fine when I’m on my bunker war.

Stun being “shaved” was a bug fix everyone knew was coming. That was not a change based on a class being overpowered, but having a bugged sigil. It also effected many classes, not just warrior.

Use your brain to think. It’s quite obviously warrior stun getting out of hand that caused the bug to get addressed.

Your post basically went something like this;
I suck at fighting warriors and know nothing about them, please help. Then two days later you decided it was time to spam warrior forums with nerf posts. You have been discredited countless times.

Well based on the knowledge I gained from the first topic (the one where I get advice on how to deal with warriors) I knew that warrior is actually OP since I was using one of the so-called “counters” and still had immense difficulty.

At the end of the day, warrior is still OP and my initial stance has not changed.

I love how someone posts about you and you magically appear in a thread about warriors though. I bet you read every warrior topic and abuse every chance you get to try to perpetuate this overpowered warrior myth. Actually, I don’t need to guess at it, your post history doesn’t lie.

Get real. It’s lunch time and I just happened to be looking at sPvP where all the drama is occuring! The only ones who think it’s a “myth” are warrior,s everyone else knows they’re OP.

Ashanor.5319:

It’s really not even worth responding here. I have better things to do than argue with misinformed and/or bad players about class balance. You can argue with them all day Burr and they will just continue to spout off the same trash over and over again. They don’t listen to common sense or reason. The perfect example is that thief that used to spam the warrior forums, think his name was “Xcalibur” or something. The guy readily admitted in his posts previous to the warrior forums that he was a new player and wasn’t very good at thief, but he was dead set on believing warrior was overpowered even though his build was one of the best at killing warriors.

1) Warrior IS overpowered. I recognized that fact 3 months ago. That’s more than I can say for the rest who didn’t latch on until meta finally shifted 1-2 months later.
2) I said I wasn’t top tier with S/D, never said I wasn’t good.
3) looks like you have no idea what you’re talking about bro since everything, literally everything I’ve said have been regurgitated at least 10 times over in the following months. With stun already (slightly) shaved.

It’s nice to have an S tier class complaining about a C tier class.

evilapprentice.6379:

Excalibur.9748:

at the very least it stopped the S/D thief QQ on the sPvP forums.

People are distracted with Warrior QQ – the boards will suddenly find another facet of thief game-shatteringly OP as soon as they’re not getting chain stunned into oblivion.

lol the warrior QQ is very strong right now indeed

at the very least it stopped the S/D thief QQ on the sPvP forums.

mini.6018:

BaconCatTheGreasy.9542:

At the moment warriors can just equip their passive regen signet and be unable to be killed. When a warrior is 4v1 and not dropping below 50% health and able to kill the other 4 players, it simply makes PVP unfun. Just had two games where it was impossible to kill any of the opposing team because it was all passive regen warriors.

If 4 ppl can’t kill a warrior should simply drop pvp and go pve.If the 4ppl also get killed by the war then i’m sorry to say videogames are just not your calling.
I can beat almost every warrior 1v1 on my zerk amulet build including the banner regen full tank cleric, shaman gear.I should assume 1can kill16 ppl solo if these warriors can kill 4 all by themselves then.

Join a random 1v1 server and see for yourself how easy good players kill warriors.If it can be done 1v1 than your and other nerf threads ops are simply l2P issues.

I can kill warriors, others can kill warriors, you and 4 ppl can’t 4v1 so seriously leave pvp for who has what it takes for it.

in duel servers, healing signet is banned

Is warrior good enough to use 5 of them in high level tournament play?

I want to see this happen, 5 warriors (or 4 warriors 1 guardian) in the next MLG….I think this has a good chance to be the next meta. As we all know, the high-level tournament meta is 2 months behind at least (because they don’t want to use anything unconventional). So maybe in the next next month we’ll see this happen and win something at ESL or MLG.

runeblade.7514:

Excalibur.9748:

runeblade.7514:

Excalibur.9748:

runeblade.7514:

Excalibur.9748:

wow i did not know this. thanks OP. so the hammer, mace + shield stun build is better than I thought.

common sense says if an opponent dodges an F1 skill should lose all adrenaline at least and go on full cooldown. I could not have predicted this.

That will be a buff to warriors not a nerf.

If all F1 skills loses adrenaline no matter what, Cleansing Ire becomes way more stronger than before.

why should cleansing ire proc if an opponent dodged the attack? doesn’t make sense to me.

Because Cleansing Ire procs when you spent adrenaline, not when you hit someone.

That is how Combustion shot remove conditions regardless if you hit anything.

combustion shot is an AoE DoT. cleansing ire should not proc when earthshaker misses for example. adrenaline is expended but that doesn’t mean anything when you don’t hit anyone.

It doesn’t matter about what you think should happen. What matter is that cleansing Ire procs when adrenaline is spent because that is how the trait work.

that can be changed.

runeblade.7514:

Excalibur.9748:

runeblade.7514:

Excalibur.9748:

wow i did not know this. thanks OP. so the hammer, mace + shield stun build is better than I thought.

common sense says if an opponent dodges an F1 skill should lose all adrenaline at least and go on full cooldown. I could not have predicted this.

That will be a buff to warriors not a nerf.

If all F1 skills loses adrenaline no matter what, Cleansing Ire becomes way more stronger than before.

why should cleansing ire proc if an opponent dodged the attack? doesn’t make sense to me.

Because Cleansing Ire procs when you spent adrenaline, not when you hit someone.

That is how Combustion shot remove conditions regardless if you hit anything.

combustion shot is an AoE DoT. cleansing ire should not proc when earthshaker misses for example. adrenaline is expended but that doesn’t mean anything when you don’t hit anyone.

I’ve been considering to main warrior for a long time now, but I don’t even play enough to make the transition. Thief has no future.

runeblade.7514:

Excalibur.9748:

wow i did not know this. thanks OP. so the hammer, mace + shield stun build is better than I thought.

common sense says if an opponent dodges an F1 skill should lose all adrenaline at least and go on full cooldown. I could not have predicted this.

That will be a buff to warriors not a nerf.

If all F1 skills loses adrenaline no matter what, Cleansing Ire becomes way more stronger than before.

why should cleansing ire proc if an opponent dodged the attack? doesn’t make sense to me.

wow i did not know this. thanks OP. so the hammer, mace + shield stun build is better than I thought.

common sense says if an opponent dodges an F1 skill should lose all adrenaline at least and go on full cooldown. I could not have predicted this.