Guild Wars 2

best advice you’re gonna get is to reroll warrior or guardian. there is no future to thief.

A warrior doesn’t even get to QQ. Close this thread.

Daendur.2357:

Sanduskel.1850:

I enjoy playing my thief, so I don’t get the fuss. Then again, I don’t rely on perma stealth, so the nerfs don’t affect me.

I think you don’t even play a thief, since permastealth is perfectly viable now as it was before.
Sick ’em can be annoying but rangers still are easy targets.

You are spamming this boards saying that you don’t rely on stealth and who does isn’t a “decent thief”. You are becoming quite annoying too. If you want to be constructive, pls, share your knowledge and show us your build or your playstyle.
If you want to keep it secret, than you can stop posting, since you are not constructive and we got it: “you don’t rely on perma stealth”.

ya especially since S/D and S/P were BOTH nerfed in the last patch.

gebrechen.5643:

But he is almost right. After warrior thief is still the most versatile and preferable class for wvw. It’s easy to master, it has enough skills to reset or escape a fight and deals enough damage to win the 1v1. It’s still not number 1 in zerg fights but playable.

keyword AFTER WARRIOR.

it’s completely ridonculous. Warrior is best in PvE, awesome/godlike in WvW, and now it’s also good in sPvP/tPvP AND roaming.

We have been REPLACED. My worst fear came true (I don’t QQ for no reason).

Good thing I don’t really play this **** game anymore, or at least thief gets some more buffs to even things out….Current state of the game is complete ****.

Don’t play thief it is underwhelming.

Guide:
- Roll a warrior instead.

evilapprentice.6379:

Lithril Ashwalker.6230:

vrilek.4038:

They have nerfed every single viable thief pvp build this day… Thank You Anet! I can say one thing. I wish to see 1 major patch with no thieves notes, why? Because it would be the first real buff for thieves —-—>>> no nerfs.

really? -_- go elsewhere

on another note – they did kill the s/d build..one boon is not going to make a huge difference, it needed an spvp split so pve could still be viable. or reduce the kitten initiative needed for larcenous by 1 (not flanking)

I’m already finding bunkers who spam boons much faster than I can strip them, even when focusing on using LS and making sure as many as possible hit – needs more testing, but initial outlook is the boon strip portion of FS/LS is back to where it was with old FS… almost pointless.

ugh if true…im gonna have a field day with boon tank guardians.

becuz devs all play warrior and don’t care about making thief as versatile as their fave

Doggie.3184:

I’m really sorry guys.

Being the only Thief in the entire country to use sword and shadow trap in WvW I feel partly responsible for some of these nerfs effecting the game beyond Spvp.

I use sword too lol but I’m not sure I’m responsible for any nerfs. I don’t roam that much.

welcome to 2 months ago bro….that was the beginning of the end for thiif.

Warrior Wars 2.

Interceptor.2653:

evilapprentice.6379:

PW was being carried by SoP, and even then it was only mediocre. Without the extra .5s stun, it’s inability to be used effectively against anyone with a tiny bit of experience is finally out in the open. The spec went from UP to unplayable due to this, as Anet originally designed I guess.

It’s still good with Runes of Perplexity, which I use with S/P in WvW and wasn’t nerfed in this latest patch. Headshot is better for the insta-interrupt, but PW actually brings real damage with it.

Honestly, this might just mean that I have to run with Devourer Venom on my bar, to hold people in place for the follow-up strikes. Now that the condition works properly, it’s viable.

Devs already said they’re nerfing perplexity, just a matter of when now.

Puru.4217:

Do not forget 1/4s daze fo heashot instead of 1s.

I had no idea it was 1s before patch rofl.

That is a significant nerf.

style.6173:

Shukran.4851:

cool! pw build was the highest cap skill build we had (huehue haste op).
dead after 2 months anyway.

so, what is left to thief to be op? what build? thanks

Thief is the best class at respawning after getting killed. They should nerf that too so that a thief has to spend 30 seconds dead before respawning.

Joking aside though, thief is one of the bottom two classes in PvP at the moment. Play warrior or necro if you want to be OP.

It was bottom 2 before this patch, now it’s bottom 1.

Is this possible now after LS nerf or not?

I fought a guardian 1v1 yesterday, and it was a very close fight, could’ve went either way. But today if I run into that guardian again, I’m sure I would be pwned..

so is this build finished or not now?

I wonder if any devs even play thief, I’m guessing no. They’re all playing warriors from what I hear. So that pretty much explains everything.

They’re all decently strong, but not something you want to rely on to win a fight. I usually discard them when I’m not fighting anyone. The teleport is more useful for me.

runes of lyssa cures all conditions, steal + mesmer cures 0 conditions

what’s wrong with runes of melandru before?

Contrary to the thief, the warrior only has one working build for pvp which is hammer/lb. Also this is a topic about thieves, not warriors.

Just like the thief only has 1 viable build which is S/D and it’s already nerfed? Warrior has the most build diversity right now actually.

If you have suggestions, go ahead and post them in the warrior forums, see what they have to say about it.

No thanks, it’s a waste of time.

Spamming should not be an option. If you want to be efficient with your class, then it should be neccessary to learn the mechanics and be genuinely good at it.

Agree with the principle, but not the execution of your ideas.

Crovax.7854:

So instead of managing your defensive cooldowns, which would promote planning in advance, understanding the opponents class and keep life saving abilities for when you need them, you want to be able to spam everything and get away with it?

I don’t spam them like I said, but it should be an option considering inherent thief weaknesses.

Planning in advance….hmm looks like I don’t do any type of planning while I’m on my warrior, why should I have to do that on my thief? Even signet build works and your heal even works without activating it.

Crovax.7854:

Excalibur.9748:

Crovax.7854:

Excalibur.9748:

As i said, easy access to stealth without risk should definitely have its price.

I would agree with you if thief has 19k base hp and heavy armor and healing signet. Then again, it doesn’t and easy access to blind + stealth ARE “without risk” are its defensive mechanisms.

Which you have on many supportive skills with a cooldown but it should not be accessible through spammable weapon skills.

Cooldowns won’t cut it. They need to be readily spammable.

I guess my english isn’t good enough. What does “readily spammable” mean?

Means use on demand as long as you have the initiative for it.

Crovax.7854:

Excalibur.9748:

As i said, easy access to stealth without risk should definitely have its price.

I would agree with you if thief has 19k base hp and heavy armor and healing signet. Then again, it doesn’t and easy access to blind + stealth ARE “without risk” are its defensive mechanisms.

Which you have on many supportive skills with a cooldown but it should not be accessible through spammable weapon skills.

Cooldowns won’t cut it. They need to be readily spammable.

As i said, easy access to stealth without risk should definitely have its price.

I would agree with you if thief has 19k base hp and heavy armor and healing signet. Then again, it doesn’t and easy access to blind + stealth “without risk” ARE its defensive mechanisms.

Crovax.7854:

Excalibur.9748:

You want blind? You want stealth?
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Smoke_Screen

Lol at listing this PvE-only skill used to reflect projectiles. Nice going.

There you go. What did you say? You can’t spam it anymore? You have to actually think before using an ability? Yeah i guess for some thieves that thought is quite terrifying.

Funny considering I hardly use stealth or black powder at all. It’s not my style. I don’t spam anything except for dancing dangers which no other thieves use but idc.

You do realize that smokescreen has the same effect as blinding powder with an additional projectile block (not reflect!) and +75% duration?

Yes but that’s not what it’s carried for. It’s unique for being able to block projectiles. (wow even weaker than I remember, it should be reflect) No one would waste a slot just for the blind considering how easy thieves have access to blind.

You want blind? You want stealth?
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Smoke_Screen

Lol at listing this PvE-only skill used to reflect projectiles. Nice going.

There you go. What did you say? You can’t spam it anymore? You have to actually think before using an ability? Yeah i guess for some thieves that thought is quite terrifying.

Funny considering I hardly use stealth or black powder at all. It’s not my style. I don’t spam anything except for dancing dangers which no other thieves use but idc.

As i said, the compensation is as follows: d/d fills the gap that would be left by d/p loosing stealth, thus making it finally viable again. My point is not that stealth stacking is bad (which it is) but rather the ability to stealth without risk.

That’s not compensation, that’s just a straight nerf considering D/D is pitiful these days.

d/p gains access to poison and easy to apply 8second weakness (8sec base for leap finisher through poison field, 3sec for blast iirc) This limits the opponents defense and offense. Build diversity would be greater, given that every weapon set has its own meanse of defense, but you would have known all that, had you actually read what i wrote.

Poison field is worthless, especially for main hand dagger thieves. There I said it. We do not want poison, we want blind. We want stealth.

Really, quit while you’re ahead.

Also no, 50% of the time making a fool out of yourself would be more adequate,
including this time, since you have shown that you didn’t read my initial post, plus you also said that you don’t play d/p.

Nah looks like you’re the one who made a fool of himself here, suggesting this outrageous nerf with no compensation. Won’t go over well, I suggest you stop now.

Playing warrior as a main in wvw, doesn’t mean i don’t play enough thief to know when a mechanic that allows the player to gain stealth independently from his enemy, is not balanced well.

I also think #5 → #2 is not balanced well but I also know better to suggest a nerf of this magnitude. There are way more reasonable suggestions like other actual thieves have made.

Crovax.7854:

Excalibur.9748:

IIRC crovax main warrior, and he has an alt thief using troll spec P/D so not only this nerf not impact him, it would buff his OP warrior even more considering blind spam is an okay counter to warrior.

Main warrior in pve and wvw since release (no bandwagon), main thief in spvp since release using s/d s/p d/p (it is, hands down, better than d/d) and, yes, p/d. I’d love to see p/p as a viable alternative to p/d or at least as a viable offset, while also reducing the trolling and skillless/riskless play from d/p. Please read my OP first, stealth is fine, but make reward=risk. Usage of cnd to gain stealth doesn’t nerf the thief, it just requires actual thinking.

Also this thread isn’t about warriors but since you seem to insist: you already have a blind in terms of #3. Yes you couldn’t spam blinds anymore but i guess we all agree that spamming requires no thought at all, leading to easy to use, yet very strong classes, like the d/p in certain situations is.
So, while maintaining a blind without cd, you also have an easy to reapply poison.
That counters not only the warriors healing, but also his ability to cleanse conditions while keeping him infight, making resetting easier.

Please explain how that buffs warriors.

Also i could go ahead and do another compilation of all the stupid things you have said in the course of past months but i guess everyone who frequents the forums knows what kind of a clown you are.

I suggest you stop making ANY type of suggestions for thief period you have absolutely no understanding of the magnitude of this nerf for the thief in PvE/WvW since you don’t play a thief there.

You can cherry pick the few posts where I made a fool out of myself, what about the 95% of times I’m right? Oh besides, I’ve never pretended to play a warrior and try to get some suggestions in for the warrior which are blatant nerfs disguised as some kind of fix.

IIRC crovax main warrior, and he has an alt thief using troll spec P/D so not only this nerf not impact him, it would buff his OP warrior even more considering blind spam is an okay counter to warrior.

i don’t play D/P but it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that making the smoke field into a poison field is a huge nerf. considering that smoke field is the best field for thief…

poison is bugged anyways, it only works half the time.

Definately warrior.

yes it (bunker war) is pretty boring to play but it’s effective and easy to play. yes you can make your thief extremely glass that it becomes possible to kill a bunker but at that point even the bunker hits like a truck on you.

i don’t know if i travelled back in time or anything because WARRIOR is out of control its all everyone plays in PvP because it’s god like and can destroy thieves with ease

in sPvP there is no point. in WvW maybe because it costs money to regear another toon….

But yes in sPvP I believe you should play whatever is the best and right now that is warrior (about to get baffed again). glhf

Nike.2631:

+ chuckle + Right, so Sunless should be buffed or Lyssa nerfed. Fair enough.

…The -20% condition duration doesn’t get any mouths watering in the condition-heavy environments?

melandru runes are better if you’re going for -condition duration. and they’re very popular.

lyssa is better

Try doing that with any class other than warrior.

Malik.6781:

Not really, but seems like yes. Thief class 20 acrobatic trait.

What if you gain swiftness on dodge, would it make dodge jumping better than just straight jumping?

out of combat do you jump further with dodge jump with 25% move speed increase?

how do you do a jump dodge? do you jump after the dodge or vice versa?

Imagi.4561:

Excalibur.9748:

heart seeker spam actually works at <25% HP

It does?!

I would say it does lol. I usually anticipate the heartseeker spam at that point, but am pretty much kittened no matter what. (good thieves will headshot your heal)

heart seeker spam actually works at <25% HP

Warriors have seen no changes in ~2 months (?) yet people have only be whining in the last couple weeks.

The QQ was there 2 months ago (10+ page topics even), in the warrior forums. The QQ largely moved to sPvP forums because people realized devs only care about sPvP.

No-one even mentions Terror Necro or Spirit Ranger anymore but they were so OP a few weeks ago and nothing has been changed for those classes. lel.

They were both nerfed in the last patch.

If warrior was as easy and OP as these forums claim you’d all be playing the class

Yes we all are. Have you seen solo Q recently?

2. Sword/Dagger Thieves with Sgils of Doom

Why run this when you can just run a warrior which is easier to play and can counter another warrior? That’s the million dollar question. And even then I wonder if it can actually counter a warrior, MAYBE if they outplay the warrior they can kill one.

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

Tried a warrior in hotjoin to see what all the fuss was about… ended up rolling on the point laughing with another warrior running the exact same build.. kittens so op it’s even funnier to troll people with then an evasion thief..

That happened to me too. Ended up /sleep on the point with another bunker war. So funny.

Svarty.8019:

Excalibur.9748:

Svarty.8019:

Excalibur.9748:

Svarty.8019:

magical giant.8650:

I’m currently playing as thief and I’m new to this proffesion (still learning) so I got this huge roadblock I need to pass, namely necromancers. How do you take a necromancer out as a thief?

Maybe you aren’t supposed to be able to kill everybody.

I need people to explain how my guardian kills… any other class.

If a thief can’t kill every single class it’s utterly useless because it’s made out of glass. Guardian that can’t kill every single class is still highly in demand and used on every team because it can bunker.

Going off topic, but if the Guardian can’t survive a thief, what’s the point in the Guardian?

You survive by killing the thief. Even bunkers have enough damage to kill a thief.

This is false.

I can kill thieves on my war bunker if they don’t run.

A lot of thieves impress me, but most stand out is Jumper.

I agree with Demonts.

I will elaborate on what he said.

By meta builds, I’m guessing he means
A) healing signet warrior. bunker or CC or condi and any kind of mix.
B) condi necro
C) spirit ranger

S/D would be real strong IF the above meta builds didn’t exist, possibly the strongest. But unfortunately those meta builds exist and are easily better, especially the warrior one which is FOTM and make up 40%+ of team rosters in solo Q now.

D/P is probably popular because you kill people with it, and as such you can “glory farm” but it doesn’t do as much for the overall score as S/D.

Over there on the warrior forums, some still think a thief can counter them, but it’s actually the other way around.

Svarty.8019:

Excalibur.9748:

Svarty.8019:

magical giant.8650:

I’m currently playing as thief and I’m new to this proffesion (still learning) so I got this huge roadblock I need to pass, namely necromancers. How do you take a necromancer out as a thief?

Maybe you aren’t supposed to be able to kill everybody.

I need people to explain how my guardian kills… any other class.

If a thief can’t kill every single class it’s utterly useless because it’s made out of glass. Guardian that can’t kill every single class is still highly in demand and used on every team because it can bunker.

Going off topic, but if the Guardian can’t survive a thief, what’s the point in the Guardian?

You survive by killing the thief. Even bunkers have enough damage to kill a thief.