Guild Wars 2

just stop. give it a rest. it’s not op.

how many guilds did TC lose? Can you list them?

Seras.5702:

So with dagger having better base dps than sword, does that mean that while leveling dagger is the optimal mh weapon since you’ve got negligible stats for quite a while?

no because sword can hit 3 targets at once which is better than hitting 1 target at a time.

Post it please.

Also do shortbow please.

RedSpectrum.1975:

Excalibur.9748:

S/D thief hate just exploded in the last week or so…I don’t even.

Well let’s look at it, D/D got hate(lolbackstab), D/P got hate(lolstealth), S/P got hate(lolpistolwhip), Ive even seen P/D get hate(lolstealthcondi). Only ones left are SB(lol) and S/D really(lolevades), oh and P/P but those thiefmers will take care of that(lolconfusion).

when you put it like that, it makes thief look like an OP profession with a whole bunch of broken weaponsets lol!

S/D thief hate just exploded in the last week or so…I don’t even.

Diak Atoli.2085:

Attack is the sum of your weapon’s strength and your Power. The damage dealt by attack skills is the product of your weapon’s strength and your Power, then multiplied against that specific skill’s coefficient.

Utility skills only use Power in their damage calculations in the first place.

can’t you do those formulas using attack instead of power then since everyone attacks with a weapon? oh and i guess auto attack counts as a weapon skill and not a utility skill.

Diak Atoli.2085:

Just over 3200, I believe. Simply add 950-1000, the average strength of your current equipped weapon, to your Power and you’ll come up with Attack.

However, Attack isn’t factored into any damage calculation, merely a measuring stick for your character’s kitten. :P

what do you mean how come attack isn’t factored into any damage calculation? isn’t that the stat that decides how much damage you do in the end?

how much attack do you have with 2200 power?

One flaw with your calculation is the difference between the “Total Chain Time”. As I mentioned in my post, by the time the Sword AA finishes its sequence, the Dagger AA already starts with its next AA sequence. So using the time frame of 2.52s, Dagger have dealt more damage than Sword, thus having the higher DPS.

Just divide total applied damage by chain time to arrive at the DPS values. Time has already been accounted for.

Just wondering if aftercast time has been accounted for however. IIRC crippling strike has aftercast of 0.5s(?)

increased*

I’m interested in status of Tarnished coast myself. Is it still full?

longbow warrior is best ranged.

it’s a little misleading since you can’t actually bunker with this build in sPvP lol.

Let’s list the counters here to help people counter it, because apparently “there is no counter” lololol
This topic is an absolute joke, but I have to admit I laughed too (https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/S-D-Thief-walks-into-a-bar)

1. Tanky warrior with healing signet (that feel when you see your AA made no dent in their HP bar)
2. Blind since sword attacks slow
3. Condition overload

I don’t see why you wouldn’t add time since DPS is the name of the game here.

Everyone is trying to nerf our one last viable build which IMO is not all that great. But then ofcourse I"m playing the almighty OP warrior so nothing seems that great in comparison but still.

Personally I don’t see the value of getting some imaginary rank that I did not actually earn…

Representation doesn’t correlate with actual balance, when it comes to top players.

Are you saying top players like to use kittenty classes? And average gamers are the ones who use good classes?

Follidus.8027:

It’s mind boggling to me that people think it’s ok to have a play style of mindlessly spamming dodge to the point that you do this more than any other ability you have.

On top of this, they can teleport in and out of fights on a z-axis, with no cooldown, without LOS, and even when they’re CC’d.

All while doing really good sustained damage.

Meanwhile, warriors, rangers, guardians are still more represented in the MLG tourny where winning actually matters.

So if the damage threshold is 10k, and you’re in a full party, each member only needs to do 2k in order to qualify, whereas if you were solo you need to do the full 10k in damage?

In what way is this fair for a solo player?

I’d prefer kunai or shuriken!

I use koi cake.

But roaming isn’t what decides who wins in WvW, zergs do. Nerfing something because it’s a strong roamer makes no sense at all.

But what if it’s also strong in zergs?

BurrTheKing.8571:

Excalibur.9748:

BurrTheKing.8571:

Yamsandjams.3267:

BurrTheKing.8571:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

You play a Thief, you only played a Warrior temporarily to learn about them. Your not a hard-core Warrior player.

I have almost as many games played as warrior as I have playing as thief for sPvP.

Show me a picture of “Games by profession.”

http://i.imgur.com/K1gSsqE.png

Not that i’m saying your a liar, but could you show the stats/wins/loses as well?

http://i.imgur.com/1JaXd71.jpg

Wait…wait

So you’ve been commenting on how OP Warriors are in PvP and yet you’ve hardly played any PvP at all!?

Even if you were arguing from a WvW point of view, the balance in that game mode will ALWAYS be bad. The differences of gear/food means it’ll always be chaos there, which to me is half the fun.

I feel like I’ve wasted so much time arguing with a guy unqualified to actually have their opinion taken seriously.

None of this matters anyways since I have more achievement points than anyone here. My opinions are always more valid.

My point is, Excal has been commenting like he’s some sort of expert yet he’s hardly actually PLAYED any PvP. I don’t feel that someone who hasn’t put many hours into a game mode is qualified to judge what is and isn’t OP.

While time spent doesn’t necessarily equate to knowledge, a lack of time means you are much less likely to have knowledge on what the balance of the game currently is.

So sPvP is PvP and WvW is not PvP?

Besides most people don’t play sPvP because it’s kinda a waste of time. I hardly doubt I’m the only one who doesn’t play sPvP that much.

While it may have players fighting each other, WvW is closer to PvE than it is to sPvP. The idea behind PvP is that everyone is on equal terms when it comes to gear. Everyone has the optimal stats in the form of amulets and you can also have the runes you want.

In WvW there can be massive differences in gear. Food also has a major effect on the outcome of a fight. The individual class balance is also much less important than in sPvP. The thing shaping the outcome of WvW tends to be large organized groups. The WvW balance is nowhere near as important as sPvP balance.

Also, according to one of the State of the Games sPvP population has been growing according to ANet. Not sure if that’s still holding true but it’s certainly not dead. Anyways the whole point is that I fail to see how you’re qualified to comment on class balance when you hardly play the mode that balance is most important in.

Don’t you roam? It’s pretty easy to draw conclusions on game balance if you roam a lot when you play WvW since you can run into a lot of 1v1s with skills players. It’s true that the majority in WvW run builds suited for zergs and may not be that great, but roamers in the upper tiers ( I play on T2, Tarnished Coast) are very decent and come equipped with 1v1 focused builds usually.

BurrTheKing.8571:

Yamsandjams.3267:

BurrTheKing.8571:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

You play a Thief, you only played a Warrior temporarily to learn about them. Your not a hard-core Warrior player.

I have almost as many games played as warrior as I have playing as thief for sPvP.

Show me a picture of “Games by profession.”

http://i.imgur.com/K1gSsqE.png

Not that i’m saying your a liar, but could you show the stats/wins/loses as well?

http://i.imgur.com/1JaXd71.jpg

Wait…wait

So you’ve been commenting on how OP Warriors are in PvP and yet you’ve hardly played any PvP at all!?

Even if you were arguing from a WvW point of view, the balance in that game mode will ALWAYS be bad. The differences of gear/food means it’ll always be chaos there, which to me is half the fun.

I feel like I’ve wasted so much time arguing with a guy unqualified to actually have their opinion taken seriously.

None of this matters anyways since I have more achievement points than anyone here. My opinions are always more valid.

My point is, Excal has been commenting like he’s some sort of expert yet he’s hardly actually PLAYED any PvP. I don’t feel that someone who hasn’t put many hours into a game mode is qualified to judge what is and isn’t OP.

While time spent doesn’t necessarily equate to knowledge, a lack of time means you are much less likely to have knowledge on what the balance of the game currently is.

So sPvP is PvP and WvW is not PvP?

Besides most people don’t play sPvP because it’s kinda a waste of time. I hardly doubt I’m the only one who doesn’t play sPvP that much.

Sizzle Hint.1820:

What will be the next thief skill you guys want to see get nerfed into oblivion after IS is beyond crap? I’m curious.

I don’t know. I think thief will be dead after IS nerf. Or at least sword thieves will be dead.

The next one on the hit list will be black powder since it can perma blind, and can be comboed for stealth which can also cure conditions.

After black powder nerf, we can safely delete our thieves in peace.

Poxxia.1547:

Mrbig.8019:

wholeheartedly agree.

too much fuzz about the thief when inf strike just needs to be “shaved” in order to allow counterplay and to not be spammed mindlessly WHILE still being effective.

and if they do this, they’d better start buffing us too.

Just took the last post, sorry.

I wonder … if you see thieves as a class, that should be able to get in the battle and out again … isn’t that the case, for every GC-build (or at least the ones, who can roam … which is again another issue)?
Yet, I haven’t seen any class, that can do it with so little effort. I can’t help feeling, that the escape/engage-opportunities need some kind of timing, instead of being spamable.

Else it should be given to everyone (and mind you, be out of reach for all other GC-builds as well), and that would just be a mess.

I hope you understand what I am trying to say; not sure if it is very clear, else I will try to elaborate.

I think you should take a look at the meta mace+shield/Greatsword warrior. They are not GC, but hit like one, and can disengage like nobody’s business.

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

oZii.2864:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

You play a Thief, you only played a Warrior temporarily to learn about them. Your not a hard-core Warrior player.

I have almost as many games played as warrior as I have playing as thief for sPvP.

Show me a picture of “Games by profession.”

http://i.imgur.com/K1gSsqE.png

Not that i’m saying your a liar, but could you show the stats/wins/loses as well?

http://i.imgur.com/1JaXd71.jpg

Not very much SPVP.

Revelation I must admit I am shocked that Necro is your most played profession in sPvP. Daecollo you surprised me with this one.

Yea me too. Very very suprising.

I don’t think Warrior is very strong in PvP is why I don’t play them.

However I can make funny pictures of killing Multiple FOTM Warriors.

It’s okay, main thing is I don’t die if I don’t want to. I play a regen bunker with longbow/greatsword. (I don’t even do condi cuz I hate condi lol) So yea pretty much immortal.

Necro not really a problem, can just circle strafe spamming longbow skills and not lose much HP.

You must not be fighting very good necromancers. That would be impossible against me. However as I said, under rank 10 is pretty much people learning how to play.

That spec maybe a little much to newer players.

I’m good at dodging AoEs lol.

Like Marks?

Any sort of red circles I’m good at dodging. Unless it’s instant.

Are you NA or EU?

NA

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

oZii.2864:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

You play a Thief, you only played a Warrior temporarily to learn about them. Your not a hard-core Warrior player.

I have almost as many games played as warrior as I have playing as thief for sPvP.

Show me a picture of “Games by profession.”

http://i.imgur.com/K1gSsqE.png

Not that i’m saying your a liar, but could you show the stats/wins/loses as well?

http://i.imgur.com/1JaXd71.jpg

Not very much SPVP.

Revelation I must admit I am shocked that Necro is your most played profession in sPvP. Daecollo you surprised me with this one.

Yea me too. Very very suprising.

I don’t think Warrior is very strong in PvP is why I don’t play them.

However I can make funny pictures of killing Multiple FOTM Warriors.

It’s okay, main thing is I don’t die if I don’t want to. I play a regen bunker with longbow/greatsword. (I don’t even do condi cuz I hate condi lol) So yea pretty much immortal.

Necro not really a problem, can just circle strafe spamming longbow skills and not lose much HP.

You must not be fighting very good necromancers. That would be impossible against me. However as I said, under rank 10 is pretty much people learning how to play.

That spec maybe a little much to newer players.

I’m good at dodging AoEs lol.

Like Marks?

Any sort of red circles I’m good at dodging. Unless it’s instant.

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

oZii.2864:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

You play a Thief, you only played a Warrior temporarily to learn about them. Your not a hard-core Warrior player.

I have almost as many games played as warrior as I have playing as thief for sPvP.

Show me a picture of “Games by profession.”

http://i.imgur.com/K1gSsqE.png

Not that i’m saying your a liar, but could you show the stats/wins/loses as well?

http://i.imgur.com/1JaXd71.jpg

Not very much SPVP.

Revelation I must admit I am shocked that Necro is your most played profession in sPvP. Daecollo you surprised me with this one.

Yea me too. Very very suprising.

I don’t think Warrior is very strong in PvP is why I don’t play them.

However I can make funny pictures of killing Multiple FOTM Warriors.

It’s okay, main thing is I don’t die if I don’t want to. I play a regen bunker with longbow/greatsword. (I don’t even do condi cuz I hate condi lol) So yea pretty much immortal.

Necro not really a problem, can just circle strafe spamming longbow skills and not lose much HP.

You must not be fighting very good necromancers. That would be impossible against me. However as I said, under rank 10 is pretty much people learning how to play.

That spec maybe a little much to newer players.

I’m good at dodging AoEs lol.

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

oZii.2864:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

You play a Thief, you only played a Warrior temporarily to learn about them. Your not a hard-core Warrior player.

I have almost as many games played as warrior as I have playing as thief for sPvP.

Show me a picture of “Games by profession.”

http://i.imgur.com/K1gSsqE.png

Not that i’m saying your a liar, but could you show the stats/wins/loses as well?

http://i.imgur.com/1JaXd71.jpg

Not very much SPVP.

Revelation I must admit I am shocked that Necro is your most played profession in sPvP. Daecollo you surprised me with this one.

Yea me too. Very very suprising.

I don’t think Warrior is very strong in PvP is why I don’t play them.

However I can make funny pictures of killing Multiple FOTM Warriors.

It’s okay, main thing is I don’t die if I don’t want to. I play a regen bunker with longbow/greatsword. (I don’t even do condi cuz I hate condi lol) So yea pretty much immortal.

Necro not really a problem, can just circle strafe spamming longbow skills and not lose much HP.

But yes, necro is in a good position right now. Necro + 1 other can usually force me to run.

oZii.2864:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

You play a Thief, you only played a Warrior temporarily to learn about them. Your not a hard-core Warrior player.

I have almost as many games played as warrior as I have playing as thief for sPvP.

Show me a picture of “Games by profession.”

http://i.imgur.com/K1gSsqE.png

Not that i’m saying your a liar, but could you show the stats/wins/loses as well?

http://i.imgur.com/1JaXd71.jpg

Not very much SPVP.

Revelation I must admit I am shocked that Necro is your most played profession in sPvP. Daecollo you surprised me with this one.

Yea me too. Very very suprising.

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

You play a Thief, you only played a Warrior temporarily to learn about them. Your not a hard-core Warrior player.

I have almost as many games played as warrior as I have playing as thief for sPvP.

Show me a picture of “Games by profession.”

http://i.imgur.com/K1gSsqE.png

Not that i’m saying your a liar, but could you show the stats/wins/loses as well?

http://i.imgur.com/1JaXd71.jpg

Not very much SPVP.

Yea. I mainly play WvW.

sPvP is a quick way to get some dailies done though.

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

You play a Thief, you only played a Warrior temporarily to learn about them. Your not a hard-core Warrior player.

I have almost as many games played as warrior as I have playing as thief for sPvP.

Show me a picture of “Games by profession.”

http://i.imgur.com/K1gSsqE.png

Not that i’m saying your a liar, but could you show the stats/wins/loses as well?

http://i.imgur.com/1JaXd71.jpg

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

You play a Thief, you only played a Warrior temporarily to learn about them. Your not a hard-core Warrior player.

I have almost as many games played as warrior as I have playing as thief for sPvP.

Show me a picture of “Games by profession.”

http://i.imgur.com/K1gSsqE.png

You play a Thief, you only played a Warrior temporarily to learn about them. Your not a hard-core Warrior player.

I have almost as many games played as warrior as I have playing as thief for sPvP.

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur
A theif player known to hate warriors and will do anything he can to get them nerfed so he can beat them instead of trying out ways to defeat them himself.

There is nothing to try. I play a warrior in sPvP and I know it almost hard counters my build. There isn’t any point to playing my thief in sPvP right now knowing hard counters exist for it and none exist for my warrior.

Well how about this

Daecollo
A warrior fanatic that will do anything necessary to keep his favorite warrior overpowered.

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

And then there’s the kittening bunker warriors who put down a regen banner and their healing signet, and then literally just RUN IN CIRCLES. It’s ridiculous and needs to stop. Passive kitten is ruining the game.

Lol that’s what I do. It’s more effective if you use the longbow since then condition removal happens by itself with cleansing ire. What’s wrong with it if it’s effective? Am I supposed to just not move?

Thief:
Wut I do when someone uses big slow skill on me that helps them greatly?

Other Thiefs:
Cry on forums to get skill nerfd so nuthin’ can stop uz!

Try using a dodge or evade skill.

Are you… really.. complaining about… Banners?

I think you need your reading comprehension checked. He’s the one complaining about circle strafing regen bunkers, not me.

And then there’s the kittening bunker warriors who put down a regen banner and their healing signet, and then literally just RUN IN CIRCLES. It’s ridiculous and needs to stop. Passive kitten is ruining the game.

Lol that’s what I do. It’s more effective if you use the longbow since then condition removal happens by itself with cleansing ire. What’s wrong with it if it’s effective? Am I supposed to just not move?

Warrior most op class in all game modes. Make one you won’t regret.

Any reasons for this? Is this the first skill ever to be banned for dueling servers?

What’s the final bracket?

Dand.8231:

Excalibur.9748:

I love how I come into a fun thread about warriors and start making thinly veiled balance whines

Fixed.

Those are my favorite things as a warrior. I play a warrior in sPvP.

I love how I can casually spam buttons and see the opponent lose HP while my HP stays topped off thanks to healing signet, and other sustain. I love how I have on-demand escape options available to me. I love how I can be immune to conditions for 8 seconds.

RedSpectrum.1975:

Zacchary.6183:

Roll a stunlock warrior.

But den when another faceroll build comes I’ll have to roll THAT one

You gotta do what you gotta do for sPvP. Besides it’s good to know how to counter them by playing as one. Or in the case of the warr here, you see no counters, so you just keep on playing him.

Seras.5702:

S/P seems to be the answer everyone gives. Why’s that? The built-in evades and the cleave aa?

it’s easy mode with the right build.

there’s an option that lets you use #5 immediately. i think it’s called fast ground target or something.

Thief has the best mitigation in the game, since they have the highest chance and the access to the most tools that allow them to avoid damage entirely

I wonder why there are no thief bunkers if this is true and why it’s dominated by guardians entirely. I guess guardian is OP since every team in MLG use one.

Warriors never went on other forums and QQed and asked for nerfs to other classes, WE wanted improvements to ours.

No it’s just mostly warriors complaining about thieves and vice versa. We practically hate each other.

If I could have 1 cent for everytime a warrior claiming how imba backstab is for hitting X damage on their oh so high armor then I’d be rich.