Guild Wars 2

Fenrir.5493:

Homonavn.6348:

DanH.5879:

the only thing thief is good for, is trolling the wvw players via roaming (1vs1 surprise attacks)
glass builds+stealth= win or withdraw

what you see is what you get

Thats kind of what i think aswell. And it does look like fun to roam and surprise someone with a 5k backstab or something. And use like a perma stealth build and keep like 10 players busy. I have seen that happen alot. Well, its going to get nerfed most likely, but still

More like 10k+ backstab and instagibing some people.

You have no idea what you’re talking about, quit exaggerating.

OP: Getting your Thief to 80 is definitely worth it and is a lot of fun. You won’t be too useful in zergs compared to any other class but roaming and small skirmishes are our strong points.

For your build, go valkyrie armour and zerker weapons/trinkets with 10/30/30/0/0 or 0/30/30/10/0 with Hidden Killer etc and S/D + SB or D/D + SB and you’ll have the time of your life.

The range now properly matches the tool-tip since it has been bugged since pre-launch. Note that there are a large amount of Thief players who cry out that this was a blatant mega-over-the-top-WTF-Anet-nerf and not just a long overdue bugfix (a trait that it shared with the old Flanking Strike, which everybody hated).

So it adds to your vitality/HP and doesn’t just reduce damage that you take from guards? o.O

This only helps against guards which are no threat anyway, doesn’t it?

Jinks.2057:

Excalibur.9748:

Jinks.2057:

Excalibur.9748:

Jinks.2057:

D/P users who are good use abilities 1-5.
S/D use 1, 2, 3, 5
D/D use 1, 2, 5
P/D use 1 5
P/P use 3

The best weapon sets are known by all and just happen to be the most polished

Food for thought

4 on x/D is actually really good…it’s just that you only want to use it for cripple.

Nothing wrong with a ranged spammable cripple.

Sorry the init cost makes this skill worthless almost.

It’ll be better after next patch tho

How do you know it’ll be better after next patch?

Jinks knows all

In other words you have no kittening idea, lol. :P

I get what you’re trying to say, but you should probably add a conclusion of some sort because at the moment you’re not really conveying a clear point.

Lenn.6347:

jesus christ, that background music is ear drum shattering. can you load one where i dont have to listen to that awful noise?

Music is subjective, so if you don’t like it, mute it or don’t watch it at all. The rest of us don’t have to make sure that our music suits you so don’t be so childish.

I really don’t see the point of putting 30 in Trickery when it would be so much better off in CS… but whatever, if you find it enjoyable then more power to you.

Lenn.6347:

jesus christ, that background music is ear drum shattering. can you load one where i dont have to listen to that awful noise?

Music is subjective, so if you don’t like it, mute it or don’t watch it at all. The rest of us don’t have to make sure that our music suits you so don’t be so childish.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Thief is blatantly overpowered in WvW, but little more than a minor annoyance in PvP. I would go as far as to say many things in PvP require a buff when considering a Thief.

The only thing that Thieves can do in WvW is cap supply camps, burst down bads, and run away from fights that they’re losing; obviously you’re one of the former.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Oh look, it’s one of those Thieves.

If you actually need me to explain why Thieves are WAY more useful/stronger than any other class in WvW, then you need to honestly rethink your class. In PvP, they suck, and I doubt you could even scratch me in it, since I doubt you’re any good. In WvW, they dominate. A group of skilled Thieves can, as I have seen it, wear down a zerg to virtually nothing over time.

Please do oh MightyAltroll! Because anything you say will no doubt be absolutely hilarious!

I enjoy D/D and S/D, to hell with D/P, stupidly overrated, though I admit that it is a weapon set at which all Thief weapon sets should be built to equal in terms of synergy.

Master of Timespace.2548:

Again? Ok. When exactly was stealth nerffed ?

Revealed is now 4 seconds in sPvP for literally no reason whatsoever other than constant whinging. The only reason it’s not 4 seconds everywhere is that they screwed over PvE Thieves even more than PvP/WvW Thieves and they had to revert it in PvE/WvW.

Learn your facts.

Thief already works exactly how it should with the exception of our damage being too low on some attacks. Seriously, leave the kittening class alone and go kitten about something else for once in your kitten lives.

I’ve been playing a Thief since BWE1 and surprise surprise, I can counter stealth on ANY of my characters because I know how to kittening play the game and counter what is one of the most predictable mechanics in the game. Seriously, you people just won’t stop until Thief is deleted.

lLobo.7960:

I hope focus and other magic weapons stay out of the thief options. IMO, dark arts magic is the necro area…

From a lore point of view we use the same branch of magic used by Mesmers which is “denial” magic. I see no reason that we couldn’t get some sort of shadow step and stealth on an off-hand scepter, although it could be pretty OP with IS on main hand sword and a shadow step on off hand scepter… just a thought though.

Bas.7406:

Auesis.7301:

I already sent you a PM on here Markus, but you can also get in touch at auesis@gmail.com if you want to know anything else, or just send a PM on here as well

Great to see the Thief community working together :P

I think this community would be great at doing that if 8/10 threads weren’t just us defending ourselves from attacks by QQers.

AmuseDarkly.2430:

Rastaman.9015:

These are my reasons I am in LOVE with thief.
7) Everyone hates being killed by one

Only the second truly honest poster in this thread:)
You guys like being able to nail people so fast they can’t fight back, then slip away. The predatory mindeset.
Stop coyishly tippy-toeing around the bush.

First of all, not all Thief builds are able to do that, and the one that is able to can’t do it if its opponent has a stun breaker available.

Secondly, not everyone plays a Thief for that reason, quit generalising.

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/thief/?7.0|c.1g.h2.a.1g.h14|a.1g.h2.a.1g.h1l|1p.a7.1p.a7.1p.a7.1p.a7.1p.a7.1p.a7|1g.67.1g.67.1g.67.1g.67.1g.67.1g.67|a3.u35b.0.u39c.0|0.0|59.5f.5c.5q.5u|e

This should work well enough, tweak it as you deem fit.

The idea behind having mug is that you can hit basi or dev, swap to S/P, begin PW and just as the stun strike hits mug to them for a burst. I used to run something similar s/tPvP with less acrobatics and more deadly arts and be able to burst anyone down quite well thanks to mug.

Just remember not to dodge during unload or you’ll cancel it.

Zenith.7301:

BUT SIDESTRAFE AND SWING WILDLY AT THE AIR GUYS MAYBE YOU’LL GET LUCKY AND HIT THE THIEF FOR 4K BEFORE HE HITS YOU FOR 8-12K.

You seem made, died to a Thief lately?

HINT: Everything you just stated about the whole “every 6 seconds!!111” is impossible. Roll a Thief and learn to play.

To OP: These numbers were landed under exaggerated circumstances and you know it. You can’t just post a screenshot of a high hit and expect us to instantly believe you. You cannot hit that on a level 80 with exotics under anything but special circumstances. Record it (even your laptop will be able to record it, trust me) and upload it to YouTube and we’ll believe you.

Until then, quit trying to make us look even worse, and coming from a fellow Thief of all people.

When I was but a wee lad I was cursed by a horrible witch who reached into the skies as she proclaimed that my hunger would never be sated and my thirst never quenched. Alas, she did not count on the existence of the Rogue archetype, and I’ve been feasting on the flesh of my enemies and drinking from the fountain of their tears ever since.

In other words, making people complain is hilarious. They just don’t stop, even when you explain to them how to counter you, lol.

“Thieves are insanly OP. Trust me, my main is a Thief.”

Replacing it with a Divinity rune will give you maximum damage in sPvP, but I’m not sure if that’s better than a Ruby Orb in WvW… tbh, I’ve never really understood why people don’t just go for Ruby Orbs x6…

Rezzet.3614:

old mug was ridiculous up to 7k damage+stun opener (if thief used poison) ensured the target was either 1 backstab away from death or 1 backstab+whatever skill away from death.

for the record Dodge roll>Static discharge whereas Mug= Instant+longer range
and you’d have to land 3 crits on all SD shots for them to crit higher than mug.

Don’t go exagerating numbers from WvW, mug did no where near that much damage.

Ignore Daecello, he still spams the forum with OP balance suggestions, so nothing has changed from him.

Not a lot of major nerfs have occurred besides 4s reveal in sPvP for no reason and Mug no longer crits. Flanking Strike (S/D #3) was fixed and buffed and is now an excellent weapon set, all signet passives now give 180 instead of 90 to stats, and D/P builds have become the new meta.

Don’t think I missed anything huge.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

SoLeciTO.3490:

I have fought with every single build and profession in this game and this is my conclusion.

Like Dungeons . . . don’t go thief . . . go warrior or Mesmer.
Like SPVP . . . don’t go thief . . . go Ranger, Mesmer, Ele, Guardian
Like PVE . . . Don’t go thief . . . Go Ranger, Mesmer, Ele, Guardian, Warrior, Engi . . .
Like WvW zerk . . . . Don’t go thief . . . . go any else but thief . . . sucks.

Like roaming . . . . go Thief, Mesmer, Ranger, Ele

If you get killed by a roamer thief in wvw because you was just roaming with your necro . . .

Alright, since you’re apparently serious, allow me to answer in order:

• 1: Thieves are fine in Dungeons, they can apply strong DPS and it’s the only place where P/P can actually shine, providing high DPS and blindness from 900 range.

• 2: S/D Thieves are very strong in PvP

• 3: Thieves are fine in PvE

• 4: Stealth based Thieves can actually survive for a long time in Zergs, and are fine.

• 5: Good Thieves cannot be killed in WvW, and deliver 12k+ crits from backstab.

All of your QQ happen to be l2p issues.

I can’t be bothered addressing your other points right now, but for #5, don’t lie and exaggerate the numbers like that. I’ve got 110% crit damage and HK traited and I rarely hit above 5-6k on a fully geared 80.

Very few people run S/P in WvW, are you sure you didn’t mean D/P?

As for your question, D/D is still perfectly viable despite how many talk about it.

After the huge nerf to Mug Thief burst is already near non-existent, and this would just kill it completely.

Err, what? O.o

Deamhan.9538:

There was nothing you could’ve done and the thief is the only profession that can do this. That’s why people are all up in arms about them.

Yet the fix is very simple.

Stealth is a very powerful game mechanic, especially when you can pop in and out throughout a fight and while in stealth you have at least half a dozen benefits.

Condition removal
Initiative Regen
+50% movement speed
Hp Regen
The enemy not being able to use any target based skills against you

This isn’t too bad because they heal poorly out of stealth, they can have the 33% movement speed that every other profession can get but no more, people can actually use the bulk of their skills against them, all while they are out of stealth.

The problem? If they are about to lose, they can escape ANY situation they are in no matter how bad it is. Case in point is the OP’s post.

SR should be an ambush skill. For use out of combat only.

HS should be a finishing move, and not another autoattack, so the initiative cost needs an increase.

Make BP a dark field.

LOL, you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Please, stop trying.

Solori.6025:

…Your a mesmer…..and you got super gibbed….

Were you akitten when theif showed up?

want some cheese with that?

What’s even more hilarious is that his partner is playing a BS Thief, LOL. Maybe he should ask him for a few extrmely easy ways to counter that burst COUGH STUNBREAKER, USE IT COUGH

Axle.5182:

Dual.8953:

BrimstoneAshe.5043:

Terrahero.9358:

Thor.1756:

autoattack with 1-chain. if it hits an enemy in stealth, it will proceed to the second skill in the chain and you will know you’ve found an enemy.

Also, isn’t there something called a stealth trap?

And then three Thieves pop out of Stealth, insta-down you, and stealth finish you while your allies are wondering “gee what happend to Thor?”

Bingo! We have a winner!

And we’re assuming Thor has no common sense and wouldn’t say were he found them?

neither would it matter they would be long gone, its’s hard to catch up with heart seeking thieves bouncing off into the distance while every other class has an asthma attack trying to keep up.

Considering that Thieves are 3rd in straightline mobility that’s just plain bullkitten, lol.

Kincaidia.3192:

This is coming from a thief, so take that as you will.

I believe that there should be a mechanic to penalize long-duration stealth for thieves.

1. Don’t lie, a telltale sign of a bad QQing because they got roflstomped by a Thief is a QQ thread that suggests stupidly idiotic nerfs while claiming to be a Thief main.
2. A Thief in stealth is doing literally nothing besides running around doing no damage. A Thief could be stealthed for 10 straight minutes in GW2 and would still be perfectly balanced.

/thread

Knobby.4078:

Was doing this in some spvp server with a friend the other day, highest i got was a few 18.5k hits so i would imagine higher is possible in wvw.

No you didn’t, don’t lie, we’re not idiots.

Oops, musn’t have posted the extra sentence… was supposed to say “that would explain the thread about might sigil, but I’m not sure about this one.”

All on crit sigils share a global CD, hense why you can’t use two fire sigils or a fire and an air for example.

Jumper, Caed, Crunk, Yishis, Wild Bill (yeah yeah), etc.

Just anyone who has helped shape the various Thief builds despite all of the bullkitten thrown our way.

Please, for the love of Grenth, do not pay any attention to any of the posts that say that the Thief is overpowered, heading for nerfsville, or on the other end of the spectrum, weak, underpowered, useless, being destroyed in every patch.

None of that is true, and the only way to really show you this is to suggest that you roll a Thief and try it out for yourself. If you like the sneaky rogue archetype then you’ll love the Thief, and despite what everyone will tell you, they’re neither OP nor severely UP. They could use some buffs in some areas, but other than that, it’s a very enjoyable class that can still be played very successfully.

It has an infinite range and has had since beta. It’ll be fixed eventually when the stealth trap QQ dies down and the anti-Thief QQ starts up again and they notice it.

Ralathar.7236:

Well, if nothing else the thief community might learn the ways to play thief that do not rely on stealth, and I don’t just mean flanking strike spam lol.

While I think that the kittenfest that the Thief forum has turned into is pathetic, it’s posts like yours that prove that people like you don’t even play a Thief and trying to argue with you would be completely futile.

I mean really, Thieves will need to learn to play without stealth? Oh, so I suppose Eles will go without attunement swapping then? You know, because that’s their central class mechanic and everything and obviously they need to just learn to play without it.

Honestly man… lol…

Why the hell would you use D/P in PvE in dungeons? You’re doing crap damage in comparison to a D/D CnD > BS > AA > repeat chain.

Also, it’s CoF, surviving it isn’t that hard.

Of course they’re still viable, but Rampager gear has always sucked.

If you just want straight out glass cannon DPS then go for full berserker armour/weapons/trinkets with 25/30/0/0/15.

Rotation: CnD, backstab, auto-chain, repeat until less than 25% health then spam HS until opponent is dead (as long as you can finish them off with all of those heartseekers, if you can’t then keep CnD BS chaining).

Use your Shortbow to clusterbomb/trick shot when unable to be in melee range.

EDIT: Wait, you were talking about PvE, right? Please specify in the first post in future.

You’re a Thief who plays D/P to be able to slip away easily when roaming in WvW asking for even more over the top nerfs to Thieves because you’re sick and tired of them easily slipping away in WvW when roaming…

WHAT?! \o.O/

Just when I thought that your suggestions couldn’t get any worse you crap out this gem.

Good job.

Thobek.1730:

Evilek.5690:

Or he re-stealth after stealth = zero time to next stealth and only trolling you
BTW 20 people hunt one Thief like a noobs is stupid

So some thieves say you can and others say you can’t. Some say you could then couldn’t and now can again.

All I know is being visable for only 1 second at a time is bullkitten.

Re-read the posts, you’re not being told one thing and then told another. Here’s the facts, ignore whatever else you’re being told that contradicts these things:

1. Unless the Thief was hacking, they were not immune to any damage.
2. If he was coming out of stealth for a very short duration of time (definitely less than the 3 second revealed duration time) then he was most likely using a dagger off hand and using dagger #5 Cloak and Dagger which does a half-decent amount of damage and puts the Thief in stealth for 3 seconds (4 if traited).
3. If this is what he was doing then the fact that you were finally able to catch him via CC is exactly how it should have played out and now you know for next time to CC him sooner.
4. While doing this his damage is pitiful and actually managing to kill AND stomp anyone would be a miracle.

Hope I cleared that up for you.

Meridian.8730:

There is no improving on a worthless profession until they fix the massive nerfs that make it worthless.

Keep your doomsday bullkitten to yourself, the Thief class is not worthless, it’s just not up to par with some of the other professions in the game.

I can’t believe that you’re still going around insisting that you’re some amazing player and that your build is unique and the best overall build for Thieves to use.

Like I said in the other thread, aside from trait allocation, your build is nothing special, and neither is your gameplay. It’s a standard P/D bleed build with a CnD > Sneak Attack > VS > VS > CnD > REPEAT rotation with caltrops and/or venoms.

Nothing about that is original, and it’s most definitely not the best overall build for Thieves by any objective standard. If, in your opinion, it’s the best overall Thief build then that’s fine, but quit claiming that you’ve come across some indestructible build. Your build is mildly difficult to take down in WvW, but only for those who don’t carry condition removal and/or don’t know how to dodge your CnD.

Also, despite your claims, this build is absolutely useless in a tPvP setting because you will never be able to neutralise a point or defend one against any half-decent player.

Finally, your comment about playing in T2 is pretty fun, I play in T1 on BG and SoR/JQ are both full of bads and upscaled players that are easy as kitten to 1vX against. That isn’t to say that BG doesn’t have them, because we do, but that every server has them no matter what tier you’re in.

What a joke.

Seriously Trav? Besides your trait allocation, that’s just standard P/D gameplay, and unless your opponents suck hardcore, you are killable, just difficult to kill.

In PvP however, which this thread was talking about, you’ll get stomped and you’re useless to the team.

Because people are stupid, Thieves have stealth, and stupid people obsess over stealth in every MMO that has it.

Fact.

What the kitten… did the forum population forget how to read since I went to bed? I’VE STATED SEVERAL TIMES THAT I AGREE. READ.

Bhagwad: one thread where a dozen Thieves on it argued against MISS and blocks/etc removing stealth is not proof that all thieves oppose a change.

I’m done with this thread, it’s clear that the hilarious support coming from a particular Ehmry Bay guild is all biased as kitten and will not listen to anything that they’re being told.

Good day.

KillingFrenzy.7315:

exactly lets hear it from a dev and not a thief

Honestly, with your kittenty attitude I hope that no dev responds to you and this thread dies a horrible death (and devs don’t reply to threads in the thief forum anyway).

It’s not a bug, it has been like that since beta, it’s an intended aspect of stealth and unless they decide to change it to reward more counterplay it’s never going to change.

Calling it a bug and then acting like all Thieves are going to cry that it should stay despite already being told that I agree with you that it should be changed is just plain stupid.

Firstly, never apologise for bad English, yours is excellent and better than a LOT of people who speak it natively. Anyone who tries to attack you for your English is an ignorant kitten.

Secondly, I don’t think that putting poisons on our F-bar is the best idea, but I’m all for changing F1 to a steal + shadow step ability with return and F2 to using the stolen item.

It has been like that since beta, it’s not a bug and it’s working as intended.

That being said, I do think that Aegis, invulns, blinds, blocks, and dodges should all cause revealed so that an enemy is rewarded for successfully countering a stealth attack.