Guild Wars 2

No burst class can survive (read : is not obliterated) by thieves. (true for dh also when you reach an average level of play)
And no burst class can avoid thieves due to complete broken superior mobility.

Consequence is obvious (one must be kittened not to understand it): no burst class possible in pvp except thieves.

Remain bunkers and bruisers for all 8 other prof.
But yes let’s keep buffing thieves and their perma evade spammy cheesy mechanics.

Ragion.2831:

Am i the only one that finds this incredibly hilarious. Grouch AKA Josh Davis at around this time last year said that thieves mindlessly dodge and announced that the studio will be killing evades. This made thief utterly useless till HoT release.

Just before HoT droppped Karl Mclain with such pride announced the daredevil spec which has even more evades thn what they destroyed thief for. The punchline is during a demo of the spec The Great Mclain literally used only one skill (death blossom) with lotus training to kill the chieftain.

So Anet complains about evades then destroys thieves.They then make evades permanent and make it extremely easy to apply pressure while evading.

Being able to pressure while evading is something that has always been limited, either you couldnt move while doing it or the attack damage was small, now we have cancerous d/d and staff thieves who just press one button to do amazing damage while permanently avoiding it

Lmao i tip my hat to these guys, great artists they have, but f#@kin confused class designers.

It is Karl…hey…what did you expect ? ????

This is a good idea….
Anet will certainly do it on rev sword aa then.

dominik.9721:

Naming the thread condi bunkers and talking about reapers. Reaper needs to be babysitted by scrappers eles or druids and is just 100 times less bunker than warrior or mesmers

They are slow and slow the game to an absurd level of unfun however.

4th block on mace. 5 additional unblockable aa for other prof. Be happy.

One must be a thief to be biaised in such a way.

Is it fixed now ?

holychampion.7386:

See, guardian is the test subject….

Mostly all invul prevent from capping bro:
Mesmer disto
Engi elixir (don’t remember the name)

Endure pain however …let war cap
But war is not cheesy as hell so they deserve it.

Ragion.2831:

guard doesnt need a rework. The only thing guard might need is an increase to its base hp.

This….Guardian is in a “good spot”.
A bit too strong (some classes have still difficulties against it…when not played correctly…outnumbered….on cooldown …. and with low hp)

At least guardians feel they have it in the good spot ;-)

Mace 3 cd reduced by 2 sec

Good Spot !!!!

warbignime.4610:

This is one of the most balanced meta we ever had. with 8/9 prefessions being meta.

Thank you non stacking esl rule.
Reality is that 3 to 4 prof are meta and 1 is really weak.

Justine.6351:

Seems an appropriate thread to ask,
Does
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Hunter's_Fortification
Have a cooldown?

Yep …1 sec. We have icd everywhere to avoid punishing opponents spamm. Good design.

Arcaedus.7290:

As accurate as this is, I don’t think a sarcastic call to action is going to reach any of the devs

Let’s hope they will not apply the requested changes ^^.
I would even not be far from surprised.

Can we adjust Contemplation of purity to put it in line with other skills ?
Removing all conditions seems a bit overkill.
Can be reduced to 3 with an increase cooldown (50 sec ?)

Same for shield of Wrath…3 blocks in a row can neuter a well landed Unrelenting Assault. This pushes revenant to waste a second time their energy 12 second later.
May put a blind instead ?

I think this would put Guardians in a much better spot.

If any buff … please stay on color skill changes… this is what the community is waiting for.

Guardians are designed by Karl….end of story

8 classes in meta ?
You can thank esl non stacking rules.

Lazziest and most efficient way to hide balance state.

Silhouette.5631:

If they wanted to do something to balance guardian they could just add VoJ or some basic burn to downstate so that we actually get some damage as a condi build. I mean it would be really useful seeing as I spend most my time on my back these days

Maybe they can add a trait that make guards go back to spawn as soon as they are dead (avoid waiting on the timer). This will be a huge buff.
Maybe put a 30 sec icd to avoid too much power creep ?

EU mesmers are stronger than NA.
This is why they butchered bunker for first final (after season1).
This is why they ninja nerf it now after patch (still some tweaks to come on Tuesaday).
It is US turn to win.

Anet didn’t learn that now EU beats US with same comp. Useless to nerf mesmers anymore.

Cynz.9437:

Kicast.1459:

lol..guardian is worst than ever..

only other weak professions (warrior and thieves) have been pushed above to crazzy (for warrior)levels on last patch …so gardian is now officially and by far the worst profession with huge nerf.

oh please~ don’t be so dramatic… it is not THAT bad lol

finding pro league/esl team as guard would be an issue atm but i think guard will be fine as far as yoloq goes, just play around your weakness and don’t engage fights you can’t win

It is just facts…one guard in esl on a team who got obliterated.

lol..guardian is worst than ever..

only other weak professions (warrior and thieves) have been pushed above to crazzy (for warrior)levels on last patch …so gardian is now officially and by far the worst profession with huge nerf.

Sarrs.4831:

Kicast.1459:

Karlification at its best…provide a ranged elite spec to a class dedicated to front line according to Anet designers themselves.
It is as if druid was designed for guardians and dh for ranger. For an unknown teason they switched.
With so much instant gap closers and so much projectile hate such professions are doomed.
Thanks again Karl….please focus on thieves next time…they are so toxic..they really deserve it.

it doesn’t make any sense for them to implement elite specs which just double down on what the base class is already good at

Lol…comon guy…did you see the other elite specs ? Seriously…what are you talking about ?
All other elite specs are just a plain and stupidly op enhancement of the core profession. (except maybe ranger which became support). Did ele loose their supportive role ?
Are daredevils new bunkers ?
Are necro tied to healing and support buffs ?
Are warriors now spell casters ?

Guardian is the only profession that has to let all what was their role for something that is underwhelming.

Yes moar nerf please….lol OP are you serious ?
Guardian is clearly trash nowadays. (worst class by far)

Ragnarox.9601:

Balance suggestion -> nerf it hard.

Srry but now everyone and their mother uses berserker in wvw cause of hp regen and insane burst.

Nerf sustain…just plain ridiculous.

War sustain is now ridiculous.
We are slowly coming back to the cancer war thief meta.
You were qqing about the rampant cc everywhere…wait…war coming…you will now see what is rampanr cc.

Karlification at its best…provide a ranged elite spec to a class dedicated to front line according to Anet designers themselves.
It is as if druid was designed for guardians and dh for ranger. For an unknown teason they switched.
With so much instant gap closers and so much projectile hate such professions are doomed.
Thanks again Karl….please focus on thieves next time…they are so toxic..they really deserve it.

So the only dedicated way to balance pvp is amulet removal.
Other than that pvp has to rely on a balance team decisions which don’t care about pvp (you know the team which nerfed guardian arguing it had an overall strong impact on all game modes)
This sounds pathetic.

Welcome to Amulet wars.

What a good change !!!!
Because all we needed was moar rev and ele.
Thank you Anet.

Ps: don’t forget the guardian nerf please

Razor.9872:

Strange…
My Dragonhunter hits with a 10k trueshot (on crit). What gear are you running?

20 k….naked
Someone higher ?
Seriously…full zerk i did never 10 k even before patch. You should not test on mosquitos ;-)

There is a buff hidden there.however..we can now true shot while moving by using auto attack.
Thank you Anet.

DarkForcE.9210:

WOO!!

LET’S ALL MIGRATE TO MESMER

\o/

You’d better go to rev guy. Shall I remind you that mesmers reappeared only once the prof non stacking rule has been put on place on ESL tournaments.
Before with same balance it was 2 revs everywhere and no mesmer.
And rev did not eat a big change on last patch.

Ragnarox.9601:

Cause…we have been officially KARLIFIED

This…there is no worth curse

Kamara.4187:

Kicast.1459:

Perfect balance…
guardians needed that nerf for so long….hope we will see less of this op prof in esl tournaments and in top level raids

You mean the one that got nerfed and couldn’t even make it into the top ranked pvp….Yes it was sooo op.

Why would they nerf it if they are not complete kittens at balancing then ? ;-)

chungiee.8764:

Are the patch notes correct? Where are the nerfs for Mesmer, Eles and Revenants?

I have the strange (and not so good) feeling that it is in our kitten . ????

Darknicrofia.2604:

Guardians worst class now officially

congrats Anet, we’re finally “in a good place”

Guardians have been karlified…no cure exist as far as we know…

Perfect balance…
guardians needed that nerf for so long….hope we will see less of this op prof in esl tournaments and in top level raids

I don’t know if it has already been posted but I found this video pretty nice:
https://youtu.be/WKBKak4gU0g
Congratulation for tge creativity to the video makers.

Cynz.9437:

Ahh finally people start to catch up how ridiculously overtuned scrapper is~

Too bad anet probably won’t touch the gold spooned child until Grouch quits his job.

Maybe he will suggest to replace the leap by a blast…to promote good skillfull play.

Thief is pure cancer…these never ending dodges are just crap…but necro is even more roll face cancerous.
So I bet anet will keep buff this kitten
If it is bad for the game then it needs help philosophy has just been a disaster for so long…
Maybe it will change now than collin has left…lol how can I have still some hope…

Condi is the only remaining thing for mesmer…be prepared for the QQ and the nerf…

Michael.9517:

overall game is much more balanced than it was before big patch.

Only thing that makes things look more balanced is the non stacking pro rules.
All teams were close to be clones (I just noticed a variant with a mes and another with a druid)
Without stacking rules I am convinced we would have seen 3+ revs everywhere

Now that eu best team play the same comp than us team….anet has a huge problem for its next balance patch..
There is no more profession to kill without hurting abjured.
Only thing they can do is to kill ele and engi as it is clearly at this point us got outplayed the most.
Maybe buff to god mode thief but I fear toker will find a good thief in eu also.
What is for sure is that guardian warriors and mesmer will remain a very long time out of meta as abjured are in difficulty and do not master this prof.
Ranger which was seen as a strong class before the final has not prooven it had a place and will not get help as it is not played by abjured.

Maybe removing the class stacking limit rule and let abjured play 5 rev team….

Ele are full of bad players just used to rule everyone for such a long time.
I understand that they feel weak now.

Two hard counters which are the fotm 1 and 3 ?
I would not say it works then.

Mesmer is a dead profession.
U welcome.

dh got karlified…rip

What mesmers need is more than a phantasm redesign…they need professional and passionate designers.

Dahkeus.8243:

I’m not sure if the OP understands what questions are. Just putting a question mark at the end of a sentence doesn’t make something a question, lol.

Well it seems you are willing start a phylosophical debate. While I am sure you are a pretty interesting person full of knowledge who only aims to enlight world mediocrity, I am not sure the current topic is the most appropriate place for it. You are talking with people who obviously don’t know what a question is after all.

Thank you for your constructive remark.
Ps: Maybe you have a good proposal for reason on esl stacking rule ?

Jelzouki.4128:

I don’t really know what you’re asking but I do know that they are implementing it due to how horrendously boring season 1 of pro league was. Double mesmer and double rev was very plain to watch and when anet kittens up and creates a God tier build like chronobunker, stacking the class becomes way too powerful and resulted in easy carrying teammates in ranked, and a very boring pro league.

Boring maybe…but as you raised it..there were god tier builds…and we saw it.
Good way to manage the problem is to shave the builds that are obviously too efficient.
With new esl rules…op builds will remain as tournaments will no more enlight them.
This is lazzy way to fix balance issues.

BurrTheKing.8571:

…that classes were able to fill the same role, but in different ways.

For example, Warrior could bring support via Shouts healing and removing conditions while Engis could bring healing bombs and water fields to blast in. Thieves could bring high single target damage by being evasive and stealthy while Guardians use their Meditations.

While the individual concepts are still generally there, often times one class is now simply better at doing a certain role than every other class. In addition to that, the trait lines have become very muddled in terms of the role they’re supposed to fit. Some are fine and it’s more of a matter of numbers than functionality. Other lines however are either too broad or too narrow.

One example would be Alchemy on Engi. On the same line you can get access to Protection, passive regen, and also Might. Of course you’re going to see this line see heavy use. Engi as a class has either been a jack of all trades and master of none, or a jack of all trades master of all. Engi is my second most played class but atm I just feel dirty playing it right now because I just bring so much to the table: good damage, team support, CC, and even stealth (and a counter to enemy stealth).

Compare this to Warrior, I actually think that despite its flaws it is still one of the better designed classes. The Strength line is for damage, the Defense line if for…defense, the Tactics line if for (mostly) support, and so on. Warrior is underwhelming mostly due to numbers and the fact that almost every other class has become self sufficient and so individual roles are less prevalent.

TL;DR: We don’t need buffs, we need for almost every class to be scaled back and for each trait line to be more focused so that choices are actually meaningful and that there’s significant tradeoffs.

+1
As it is the thing to do…it will certainly not be followed by anet.
Gw2 has been suffering from power creep wince hot. This is why they buffed thieves and necros.

Hi all,

I was just wondering what was the reason of the no stacking profession rule that has been decided for ESL tournament.

1) Professional teams need help to avoid taking inefficient comp ?
2) Stacking teams is an obvious evidence of abysmal ballance quality ?

If 2) then isn’t it dangerous to keep obvious op builds hidden by artificial limiting rules ?

And what about profession that can cover different roles with different build ?

Pepsi.8907:

Jace al Thor.6745:

Ikasun or something like that. And lvl 25 I think. I’ve been playing a kungkittenmaster so just been taking my time leveling up in PvE helping the guildies that moved over with me adjust to a new game.
And gold seller spam is horrendous but if you turn off map and faction chat it isn’t nearly as bad.
Definitely have a game/tv show on stand by if you stuck in a long queue. It’ll calm down as the weeks progress though I think.

WOW censoring F*U ahah
It will. Lol was the same in its early days: 2h+ of queue time.
I’m in master Hong, sadly.
I’ll still add you in F.List for dungeons tho, it’s always nice to do them with friends and all since you can take turn for the bids ahah x)

What will be the future filtering functions …this is likely to be awfull ….

other words withkitten?