Shield 5 isn’t really a buff. Movement is nice, but having a 1.5s channel was already bad. Now they expect having to hold it for 4 seconds to be worthwhile? Even if you don’t have any better skills off cooldown, that’s just begging for an interruption.
I may not have understood…but longer chanel is much better as long as you can move.
You will be able to absorb projectiles much longer and of course you shoul be able to detonate sooner if needed.
I think you consider that the bubble will come after 4 sec.
I think the bubble will come as quick as now but will last longer.
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/joke on
We are Karlified !!!!!!
/joke off
Everything is lost ;-)
roll necro youll be fine
Indeed DH purpose is to make the numerous Guardians to reroll.
This artificially produces content.
Same story should also happen sooner or later to warriors (most played class)
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As a note, we’re aware of the odd interaction between elementalist downstate and Vampirism runes and are tracking a fix for an upcoming build.
Rune of Vamp downstate bug was fixed on Tuesday.
Good thx for the info.
And when do you plan to fix ele ?
This has been driving me nuts since the traits were changed. Purging Flames and Hallowed Ground are much harder to use in melee now, and I usually end up casting them on a wall or in the distance because of camera shenanigans. I would actually take a trait that removes the ground targeting effect if I could.
There are some times when ground targeting them is useful, and I would want to keep that option available if possible. But that’s like 20% of my usage. Maybe add a hotkey to the game that makes all ground targeted abilities cast at your feet when you hold it down?
put your mouse on you…problem solved
don’t remove the ground targeting please
What is this new specialization ?
Are we talking about change coming in more than one year ?
Is guardian the only profession already talking about new elite (which is pretty telling) ?
Don’t touch my op stuff please..see how poor we are without it.
Ele dps has not sustain.
Guess what ? Huge dps should not come with high sustain.
Maybe you are too much used to Cele Ele dd to figure it out.
They are discussing…just cross fingers.
I think saying a balance patch will take place 2 weeks after hot is a bit optimistic.
They will first see how the meta settles then discuss then maybe a patch.
I bet it will take place at the end of the year (2015)the soonest.
I would love to find of a solution to this problem. Its a big barrier for new players learning the game.
Brain dump:
How many of your own cooldowns must you know to be effective. Skills? Traits? Sigils? Runes? Attunements? Kits? Transforms? Everything?
How many cooldowns are too many cooldowns / whats the minimum number to know?
Same question for enemies. How much skill is involved with remembering enemy cooldowns?
Would this new piece of UI benefit PvE the same amount?
Where could this UI live?
First thing that pops into my mind would look just like the quick-loot tray on the right side of the screen with a scrolling list of ordered cooldowns showing name/icon. (No loot in PvP)
I can’t think of any way this could work for enemies.
What pops in my mind is that icd are bad.
When a skill is too strong without icd change it. All these icd rampants everywhere just make the game randomadness.
To be honest dh is already incredible.
It’s incredibly bad and ineffective.
/constructive post off
Metabattle is a bit biaised as it makes you beleive there are several meta builds.
In fact there are only 2: cele dd ele & d/p thief(but max 1 per team)
Rest is acceptable but sub-par.
As a beginner it is nice to play with a good build to figure out that if you loose…it is more a skill issue.
Yes ele desperately need some love.
Please buff.
PS: out of combat switch weapon do not provide buff ….just saying….
We said targeting was badly implemented and a real pain with never ending stealthing mechanisms.
This is why they created taunt.
Lol.
Something not appreciated by the community ?
Let’s make it rampant.
We have the same with
-condies
-stealth
-dodge spamming
At least we can say there is a kind of philosophy here :-)
Revenant is Gw2’s Oddjob.
Huh. Unstickied… without a fresh update from the designer.
This way the drama will fall in the past and be soon forgoten ;-)
Let’s wait for them to give hp to traps like they did for spirit weapons.
buff ele kthxbye
Love this team.
Thanks again for what u did. At least anet discuss now.
they are discussing
be patient you won’t be disapointed
we never are with them :-)
I feel it is a good exhaustive and honest feed-back.
I have been watching some top spvper and reached similar conclusions.
Thank you for this great job.
There is one positive point on dh:
Guardian is the only profession (maybe with ele) that can already play today the build it will use after hot. As a result we will be much better prepared to rule the world ;-)
/joke off
Yes better sounds plizzzzzz :-)
This is all what we need…with cd reduction on shield.:-)
kthxbye
I saw a suggestion in the other forum on this topic that was about swapping the effects of Unyielding Anguish, so that it pulses torment, and only applies the displacement during the initial cast of the skill. I think this would alleviate the issues of no counterplay.
It must also not affect opponents under stab.
Thinking that they will somehow nerf traps because of stacking makes me laugh.
Guardian are still in some top team but less and less.
Dps guardian is out and has been replaced somewhat by fire guard. This one I think will not last.
There is still the bunker guard but it cannot bunk efficiently and is more turned toward team support. It suffers of its poor mobility and can be efficiently outrotated.
Big power creep is coming with hot and demon hunter looks like a complete failure. My bet is thay guardian will completely fall out of meta and is gonna be replaced by rev. Bad times are coming I fear :-(
Its coming and its confirmed. Stop whining.
Yep..revenant coming.
Be prepared opness everywhere.
You will regret the cele ele.
Look at xerex stream. Rev is a kind of meselethief jungernaut.
-Unkillable (I am more impressed by its survivability than the ele but maybe it is because we don’t know how to play against)
-Doing massive aoe damage even at range (much more than mes with GS)
-Jumping every where to gap close (I feel that with target it can be quicker than thief to reach another point)
(all of these in a single build of course)
This is out of control lol.
5 rev team coming. (if they remove the supid rule on prof stacking at ESL)
yep… and full hp back at same time would help a lot and make the profession definitely fun to play…lol
If all dh skills become instant (virtues / traps / bow), do you think dh would stop being garbage ?
I am not even sure lol.
I can’t be constructive about this because, I don’t see a way to make Dragon Hunter work without total rework, which is very hard and time consuming for ANet.
This.
I would recommend not to change anything on DH as I do not see how it could not be absolutely pointless. They should spend time more on stuff which need reasonable effort to become decent (in other words: other class)
Guardian is the new ranger. Out after hot.
From a design perspective, Mesmers are more about providing fields and less about activating them. It’s not just blast finishers, Mesmers lack reliable sources of many other finishers too. Necromancers fill a similar role. By contrast you might notice that Warriors have lots of finishers but not many fields.
We don’t always get this balance right (and I think there is a different discussion to be had about when we don’t) but I hope that clarifies what we were going for in the case of Mesmers.
on left side mesmer: weak fields (most wanted ones are fire and water) with few and bad finishers (mostly leap)
on right side ele: tons of fields (the most valuable) with crazzy amounts of finishers (blasts)
Whith what you say above Robert, I understand that there is indeed an urgent discussion to be had on ele. (and also on engi)
grouch has confirmed ele nerfs (and some buffs)
Lol.
Not only did they take forever to make a change, they are probably going to do some half measure that doesn’t really balance things. Hope I’m wrong but I think they’ve earned skeptics.
Yep…talking about coming nerfs confirmed while they are only discussing about the issue sounds a bit sick to me.
They are also talking about buffs..so be cautious…we can get an even worst juggernaut after.
No stacking limit please…otherwise you will not see best composition potential.
It would be like watching a car race with bycicles.
Devs should do the right thing and buff engies.
So you want a second godly prof.
This sounds a bit like a selfish and partial position which does not help.
Devs/designer job is to define a role for each profession. A role that is important (not mandatory) for competition. Once it is defined they have to tune stenghts and weaknesses in a regular basis to adjust the balance but always making sure each profession excels at their main role.
If it was the amulet…go4gw2 admins would certainly have prohibited the amulet rather than the class stacking.
So please stop with the amulet argument. It is just diversion.
3 eles, 1 mesmer and 1 thief. :>
Next rules: at least 4 professions ? ;-)
Following the 5/4 ele team winning last esl we have the following go4gw2 rules update:
“3.11. League Specific Rules
- Each team needs to consist of at least 3 different professions.”
So stacking prof is seen as an exploit ? Sounds strange to me.
Maybe it is a desesperate move to hide what balance team is failing at: make professions complementary and avoid god mode one mastering 90% of what matters in spvp:
- 1v1 beast : checked
- godly sustainability : checked
- awesome group support : checked
- top team fighting ability : checked
- mobility : outch .. only second here (still improvement possible lol)
I feel sad that we cannot stack professions in competition as any restriction (out of exploits that must be fixed soon) just hides the problem.
Please god let class stacking in tournaments.
There is no way to show how class are broken otherwise.
+1
never underestimate human capacity to exploit:
free spy
free queue blocking (my worst fear)
free supply deletion
free commander tag spamming
Based on the pathetic amount of conditions DH had in it, it never did. In all honesty, if anyone doesn’t think they can still make a condition build with DH spec’ed, I don’t think they are paying attention to the current meta.
A couple of things. First of all, some of us don’t care so much about the meta. There’s a difference between what works pretty well and what is completely optimal. There’s also a big difference between what works in PvE vs PvP. I think you have PvP in mind, and you might be right that few players would have gone for a condi DH build (which in and of itself is useful feedback), but that doesn’t mean it might not have worked just fine for PvE content before the recently announced changes. The point here is that what modest potential DH might have had (which could have been increased for all play modes with different changes) instead got ripped out of it pretty hard.
We should not care about pve balance…really… as long as all pve content is doable by all prof/spec (which is the case finger in the nose)
cd reduction
15 char
Lol…ele crying about their death while we get ele everywhere..so funny how people are narrow minded.
That’s funny because what I see everywhere are pewpew rangers and mesmers.
I guess we see what we wanna see.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/4-ele-and-1-thief-win-ESL
You are obviously not looking at the right direction. Hope this helps to open your eyes.
Maybe you will argue that it is a l2p issue however ;-)
Lol…ele crying about their death while we get ele everywhere..so funny how people are narrow minded.
The ele have been op for me than one year but it is insane since last patch => ok
We are at the most imbalanced level gw2 has ever seen => thanks
Anet is still not planning any change on ele => bye
kThxBye…This team name is so telling :-)
Honestly thank you guys!!!
Nobody has been so helpful for the pvp community.
Love the evade spam…this is bad design so it will certainly be what will happen.
Take care on trolling…if it is a very bad idea Anet will certainly take it.
Stealth is rampant => PU buffed to the sky
Condies are skill less => condition buffed to madness
Burn is too strong => let’s do the berserker specialisation
Too much ele in pvp teams => let’s buff
Skyhammer is awfull => let’s force it in unranked map rotation.
Poor thieves…at least Karl made a copy/paste from another profession for dragon hunter.
For thieves it is even worse…it comes from another line of the same profession.
anet trolling company
It is just a matter of skill ;-)
kthxbye has a pretty good experience at highest level in pvp.
Thank you anet for letting such balance in place for so long.
At least we have time to appreciate it.
note: I feel the name of the team a bit trolly and salty :-)
Hope this won’t end soon.
Steal is a class mechanic, not a utility skill. Ranger pet skills have cast times. Warrior burst skills have cast times. Mesmer illusions need to run to a target if they’re not sitting in melee range.
Steal is often coupled as a teleport with backstab for burst, or to cover a cloak and dagger animation in WvW where D/D is used.
You’re complaining about powerful effects with no tells but the thief has plenty of his own.
I’m sorry to interrupt your “woe is me” thief parade, but TCG/oRNG/Abjured all run a thief. Guess how many mesmers/rangers/any class that isn’t thief or ele they run?
<1% of the thief population is not in any way a valid sample size to use to strengthen your point. Secondly there are plenty of tells. Anyone with situational awareness and an average reaction time can make backstab fail to deal that much damage almost every time it happens.
So if you are having such a hard time with thief’s sole source of competitive dps, then get some. Or better yet, play a thief yourself and be OP. It isn’t hard.
Already play a thief. Leveled him to 80 from PvP actually. As I did for several alts and I have all professions at 80.
I’m glad you made a tangent attacking my playing skills to divert from the fact that some thief skills have no tells.
It’s just cute how superior you act about mesmer shatters having no tells when your class is full of cheese of its own.
Maybe it will pass with time just as you whined about passive spirit rangers until they too were nerfed into irrelevance.
This.
Whining about what his class is by very far the best at sounds a bit surprising. Conclusion is to netf thieves in first place. (which are with ele the two only mandatory professions for any serious pvo team)
I admit that huge repeated attacks with no tells should not be rampant in gw2. Neither for mes thieves or other.