Guild Wars 2

Welcome to the new slow motion chilled meta.
Now we can enjoy John Lee fights on mid….eSports !!!!!

… we are now reaching the second step of our hot release plan.
We are now working on putting broken spec smoothly in line with what we believe is a balanced game.
As we have hit soo hard in opness at hot release, this process is likely to take several iterations and thus years to reach an acceptable level.
However as we feel chronomancer bunkers is providing a too bad image to our branding for esport, we have decided to destroy the build whatever the consequences on viability of entire profession.
As a result
quickness is rendered useless for stomping and rezing
defense capability are drastically decreased through energy sigils nerf / slight increase of all your cooldowns / destruction of precog well / bunker amulet removal
group support is rendered abysmal with alacrity destruction

We want the message to be clear and discourage anybody from rolling mesmer.
This is why we keep damage at its abysmal state and buff drastically the natural hard counter of mesmers to god mode.

Of course you can try a condie mesmer as we increase scepter attack speed by 5 % on a lackluster trait.

Hope you enjoy the game like we appreciate trolling you and don’t forget that we have no freakin idea of what we are doing….and that we don’t really care.

Sincerly yours

Arricson Krei.9560:

Quietly waiting for all the mesmer mains to start going thief.

done..pretty satisfied even befire patch

brannigan.9831:

Kicast.1459:

They did…the preview is always the definitive … business as usual…maybe this time however ????
But I would not be too optimistic if I were you…

Thats not true at all. They aren’t releasing patch notes because its not definitive.

Are younew to the game ?
Did you already saw changes between previous previews and release ? (consistent ones of course)

They did…the preview is always the definitive … business as usual…maybe this time however ????
But I would not be too optimistic if I were you…

Rome.7124:

SlayerSixx.5763:

Well I’ll be kitten ed. Welp, bring on the doomsayers. Guess everyone has to taste the frustration of being underpowered every now and then. Guess its mesmers turn to feel weak again, then it’ll be back to necros and rangers being UP, then warriors and thieves as the cycle simply continues.

Now let’s be honest here, compare to many other classes, Mesmers didnt really exist as part of meta in the past 3 years, classes like Ele, Guardian, Engis, warriors have all enjoyed longer stay at Meta. I really dont get the extreme handle by ANet when it comes to the Mesmers class. ONE meta and they decided to nuke it into none existence. They have no idea what the Mesmer class should be.

5% speed increase on traited scepter ?
cd reduction ?
I already see lazzy fix coming….they don’t even try to look pro

messiah.1908:

but thief is high skill cap which need great map awarness so i think shatter mesmer may be still valueable

It is not high skill cap…d/p is a cheesy build as hell with few (read random) counterplay on main attacks.
And yes I know what I am talking about as I play thief already in this current meta.
And you know what … I feel much stronger and efficient already now than with a shatter or condi mesmer or a dh.
Less efficient than a bunker mesmer however.

Top is likely to be
Overlords:
Thief
Necro
Engi

Good
Ranger
Revenants

Likely to be trash:
Guardians (more squishy meta can maybe help however)
Wars (is sustain help sufficient?)
Ele (was strong against condies without ds in the past…but cele amulet no more here)

Trash for sure:
Mesmer (shatter gonna be eaten alive by thieves (as it has always been) and bunker seeems dead in all directions (no more amulets / unblockable skillssharing / quickness rez nerf / quickness stomp nerf))

Huge change coming….
To soon to be communicated…
Is where we want it to be…
Not aligned with our vision ….

Anet is used to communicate like they had a planned and consistent vision of their game.
Facts however…
Look at the current meta…look at the drastic changes coming that will lead to several classes butchered.

I remember before hot some devs claiming that their vision for the guardian was some close combat fighter providing support to allies….guardians then got dh…ranger pewpew with traps and selfish virtues. Lol.

Paulie.6215:

I guess now you’ll see what thieves have had for over a year. Thieves have been in the toilet. Now we’re climbing out with anets help.

Buy a brain guy…thieves have been meta all times before Hot. They are in fact the only profession which could claim this status.

Phantaram.4816:

Helseth: “These 2 abilities are so strong that the mesmer itself has to be weak to make up for it”

Me: “I agree maybe they could be removed so the mesmer itself could then be buff and thrive as a class like others”

Thief mobility is so strong that they should not be hurting. But here surprisingly…it has never been a problem to have it top 1v1.

Jackums.3496:

The devs are either incompetent or indifferent when it comes to balancing the Mesmer.

Sometimes I am even wondering if they are not trolling.
So much kittened decision. So poor vision on change they want apply and so blind view on the impacts of what they decide.

Lots of people think this meta was horrible (I do). Let’s prepare to the cancer coming. You will regret what we have now.

Pepsi.8907:

But I’d like to be reassured that we’ll be given an alternative other than dropping off of meta in previous warrior/thief position, and that, from what I’ve seen, is not certain at all

5% scepter speed increase…
You welcome ^^

Complete crap change….ds is a buff in many ways

Mesmer removed from the game.
And game removed from my PC
GG Anet you finally succeeded … bye broths

Spartacus.3192:

Manuhell.2759:

Imho, unless they properly split pve/pvp/wvw balance, they will never be able to get good results.
There are just too many differences in those modes to keep them under the same roof.

+1 i agree. PVE/WvW/PvP really should be split. Some skills are fine in pve mode but become broken in PvP. Some skills are broken in WvW but are fine in PvP.

I disagree…they could just align gameplays accross all modes. Facing intelligent reactive but low hp mobs…organized in teams would so much more rewarding…and will promote the same skills efficiency.
I have to admit that Anet didn’t choose that direction with so much pve content simply ignoring full set of skills (projectile teflexion – confusion efficiency – control consequences)…I would say they insist in their error.

Chaith.8256:

Reem.3578:

@Chaith
Sounds like you want to balance everything around the pro league.
This begs the question: around what should we balance the game?

The answer is, all game modes and all skill levels should be taken into consideration.

If Dragonhunter traps are nerfed to the ground because you can click your whole bar and wipe 5 people out in Amber, that wouldn’t be considering the high skill level, for example.

This specifically is a thread on the PvP forums, pertaining to the state of PvP balance.

My opinion is that the classes should primarily be balanced around being used optimally, in conditions where there’s little or no L2P factor, so apples can be compared to apples.

Balancing things like MinionMancer, Turret Engineer, Dragonhunter, 100Blades Warrior for entry level skilled players should be a consideration too, but as a second priority, and it can’t impact the class potential, after all, it’s admittedly a L2P problem.

I agree +1000 (and contrary to chaith I am a low level player). I have 0 problem failing with a difficult profession knowing that if I did it better I would be able to compete.
Of course if everything is fine at top level…it is always good to check if it is possible to have also the game balanced at lower levels….but we are so far from balance at uppers that I feel pointless to concentrate on something else.

Ithir Darkleaf.7923:

Kicast.1459:

The dragonhunter elite specialization has proven to have a very solid impact in many areas of the game……

WUT ????

Are you serious ?
Which areas ? Puzzle jump ? Trading ?

Go back to your cave, Dragonhunter as been used (and dominating) in SPVP at least since HoT launch even with the nerfs it got.

I am affraid you are complete ignorant at best. Currently there are three professions not played at all in tournaments: warriors,thieves and guardians.
Of course you are maybe talking about low level pvp..but here dominating is possible with everything.
Maybe it is time for you to go out of your cave and see real world.

So impatient to see mesmer forced to shatter burster again…and be eaten alive by untouchable spammy evading thieves.
So impatient to see this insta teleport stun op skill which offer no counterplay for squishy builds.
You want to buff thieves ?
Remove their insta uncounterable skills first.

The dragonhunter elite specialization has proven to have a very solid impact in many areas of the game……

WUT ????

Are you serious ?
Which areas ? Puzzle jump ? Trading ?

solus animus.8549:

Thief
we decided that throwing auto attack damage in the mix will solve this. Our vision is your role shouldn’t be able to contribute to anything other than finishing half dead enemies or +1 fights

Unfortunatelu this is how it should be…otherwise you have to nerf their mobility.

Lord Kuru.3685:

If it’s WvW you’re interested in, do not buy HoT. The game mode is in its death throes and Anet has given no tangible indication that they are going to act.

And even if they do act, do you really think they can bring it back from death? The same people who put it in the state it’s in now? Not a chance.

Don’t waste your money.

+1
Game full of emptiness….

Arnath.2319:

This official confirms that Guardians will be the worst profession in game when this patch goes live.

We will be worse then Thiefs or Warriors currently are.

Traps were the single thread holding this profession from falling into the abyss, i’m not saying they didn’t deserve changes, but with zero compensation to the rest of the Guardian this profession will be the most broken in GW2 history.

We are already useless in raids, we are already useless in high-end PvP, over half of our talents/traits/weapons/skills are either broken or useless, and now they wont to remove the only semi-optimal option Guardians have left with zero compensation elsewhere?!

Whats the point in playing this game when the devs clearly have no idea what they are doing.

+1000
Hey Anet … wake up !!!! Don’t you know gardian is bellow weak ?
No discussion on how tempest simply destroy guardians with auras ? Comon guys ….

No
15char blablabla

chibbi.3706:

Momekic.8603:

chibbi.3706:

Momekic.8603:

chibbi.3706:

Man, why do we hear thief players complaining so much when there are 2 other classes that are worse than thief.

Lol, what? What 2 classes do you think are worse than thief?

Warrior and thief are pretty much even in the bottom tier. Im really just curious what other class you think is weak, because all other classes are strong at the moment compared to these two.

Daredevil is better than both DH and warrior.

Cynz.9437:

you are welcome to make thread for warriors… i personally yet have to see anyone cry rivers about having warrior on team though

This is just an example but : http://puu.sh/mi4YQ/4f6fbd49b3.jpg

kitten like this happen all the time.

You cant seriously believe thief/dd is in any way better than DH. DH can take a thief out while going afk on point. A thief has great mobility, sure, but DH just makes them explode no matter if you are on point or off point and in range of their long bow.

In othet words….You must be super terrible if you actually think DH is anywhere bear as bad as thief/dd

It just baffles me how people are this blind or just this bad at the game

DH are completely gimmicky, they have no mobility what so ever, are extremely easy to focus down and most of their damage is extremely predictable and counterable. It’s only good against bad players.
DD have extreme mobility, very good mostly unavoidable burst, are hard to take down due to their mobility and dodges, utility with team stealth, an elite that’s very good at finishing people off.
But yeah, you have to be better at the game to play DD than to play DH, so I return you the “compliment” : you must be super terrible at the game.

Also, a class winning against another in 1v1 doesn’t make them better than said class. I win 100% of my 1v1 vs tempest as warrior, warrior better than tempest confirmed ?

Thieves have always been used to be top dog on mobility survivability and single target burst. This has always been true to such a level that all zerker specs but medi guards have been obliterated and pushed out of meta. The only thing that was positive in hot balance is that you have1 counter to thieves now(rev are a good tradeoff for mobility and is not destroyed in 1v1). The thieves community is obviously not used o be countered and does not acept it. This is why there is so much noise on their state.
To be honnest warriors and guardians are in a much weaker state.

chibbi.3706:

Actually I’m pretty sure the stability rework was made for WvW. If I recall correctly they said stability shouldn’t make you able to cross an entire army of people without getting hit by cc which is purely about WvW.

I agree. They prepared the pirateship meta this way to make revs OP as hell also in wvw.
Just look at the hammer skills in this new context.

This bug exists for mesmer since start…Staff 2 put you in walls on a regular basis.
At least here it is you who put yourself in the walls.

kdaddy.5431:

Browrain.7346:

Is it not obvious? Your team was favored to win with the 4-man team vs all soloq’ers. Unfortunately for you, you got stuck with them that game and them being a party cost you an extra pip.

Im just losing it.

I win 2 in a row and get 2 pips. I play a 3 man premade of 2 legendarys and 1 amber with 2 diamond solo ques and i lose 3 pips when we were 5 solo que diamonds.

I win 2 in a row and i get this match and lose 2 pips. There are no words to explain the frustration of having days winning 4-5-6 games and losing 1-2-3 and having less pips. I think i just need to do dailies and just leave again.

Either me or you have a serious problem….just wondering if it is a joke.
In your screen the legendary team lost and really deserve a pip loss.
So if you lost pips you should have been the guy on their side …and you deserve this loss.
You are in diamond…maybe it is time to learn for which team you are playing :-)

So to summarize…my op boons are ok…
Nerf boons I have no access…
Diamond skin is ok as I need it.
Sincerly yours
Ele

PS: nerf mesmer … they provide boons I cannot give

EvilSardine.9635:

I agree with Sunreva, actually. For a class that is summoning the mists as power it’s not hitting hard enough.

I’m usually getting 4-5k auto attacks on my full zerker revenant and it pretty much kills most classes in 3 hits but I’d like to see it do it in maybe 2 hits. Hammer 2 is only hitting for 10k on heavy armor and 18k on light armor but if it maybe had no cool down then it would be awesome as I think 2 seconds makes the skill hard to land.

Yep no cd and some love on figures: not being able to one shot everyone on a skill that can be dodged is really poor design ;-)

Elites overloaded ? Really ?
You are quick in conclusions ;-)
….
Joke appart…of course it is overloaded…all mmos do that…but at this level it is ridiculous and will be a nightmare to realign.
Rev for instance is brokenly op at all levels…sustain / mobility / damage / support

Jim.9532:

Kicast.1459:

Rev need some love…please buff

Lol

;-)
There is at least one guy detecting sarcasm.
Rev opness is beyond all what has been seen in the past. It is the class which pushed thievesout of meta.

So much people arguing it is not OP … just lol.
One can be nothing but biaised defending such over brokenly monster.
Crazzy aoe damage
1200 range
Not reflectable
Can be cast while moving
2 sec cool down

Coalescence simply ruined the game in wvw.
Anet really look desesperate to produce such broken stuff to make hot appealing…because face it.. all these op skills are here to make you buy.
The result however is maps full of emptiness…what a fail.

Rev need some love…please buff

Well well I just made a jump on the last ESL matches and noticed that there were 4 professions remaining in the meta list :

Revenant
Mesmer
Ele
Engies

4 prof out of 9 in meta sounds alarming to me.
With mesmer nerfs which were huge for bunkering a point we can even foresee that mesmer will sooner or later go out to.

Rev took a hit but (maybe I am biaised) the change does not seem to impact the class too much ( less access to resistance).

Are we likely to see 3 prof in meta in the coming weeks ?
With a bit of sarcasm I could say that I am glad to see stacking ele team coming back.

Who honnestly takes hudge damage with traps ?
I really don’t get how you can be killed with traps.

UmbraNoctis.1907:

Class stacking is a problem because the game is unbalanced. Removing class stacking from tournaments would cover the real problems and make the game look more balanced than it actually is, which might discourage Anet even more to properly balance the game. And “non-pro” players could have to endure this crappy meta even longer …

This *1000
Removing class stacking is the most dangerous idea regarding balance issue management.

Too much stab (patch on stab was obviously not sufficient)
Not enough cc
More condi needed
All other professions that are able to resist rev more than 30 sec must be destroyed. (bunker mes be prepared)
Spamming evade thief design to be reproduced everywhere…with more traps
More block evade support dps condi stab on dodge burst aoe moving 1200 range on 2 sec cooldown.
Rev desesperatly need some love…so much I honestly don’t see which change can make them half decent.
More pewpew for support..more support for pewpew.
More power creep to reach better challenge….and for love of God …please stop censoring your marketing team. So little appealing stuff on hot is really depressing

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArenaNet
Anet belongs to Ncsoft…and is not really anet anymore.
This can explain that.

For movement…guard is great when you use sword tp / ji / gs leap.
With dh it is even better.
With traveler runes I am able to be quicker than majority of other professions

I don’t see bunker mesmer pushing any profession outside the meta.
Remember the dd ele able to bunk vs 2 forever while dishing outstanding damages…
It is surprising to see no problem raised from abjured at this stage. We were seing sucessfull 5 dd ele team in esl tournaments….but no problem.
Now we see a profession stacked in mass since hot release which simply replaces warriors thiefs and medi guardians. Guess what…it is not the mesmer.
First problem is rev. Once this monster which destroys every zerker / marauder build is toned down…you will see more class able to down a bunker mesmer.
Mesmer bunker coming in meta is the simple consequence of everything else being wrecked by rev.

But OK let’s nerf mesmer so we can build succesfull 5 Rev teams.

Elephant ?
Bird ?

Yes it is Bird ….
Everybody knows…that the bird is the word

That would make rev less brokenly op…thus it won’t happen

“In regards to balance – balance is NOT driven by our PvP Pro League, the pro league is a marketing effort that has almost zero impact on our dev team.”

WUUTTTT ??
I hope it is a joke.
U kidding Colin aren’t you ?
Please tell me it’s a joke.

Taldren.7523:

DanAlcedo.3281:

Soo…
The skill that REALLY! needs a nerf ( in wvw)
gets a Bug Fix what is in reality a buff?

wow gg anet

Or, perhaps … Arena Net, like the majority of us, know it doesn’t need a nerf?

Anet knows it needs but it is too soon to adjust it now as it is brokenly op for marketting reasons.

Coalescence of ruin got buffed. (they call it a fix).

Lol

Hooglese.4860:

Well, looks like warrior is going to be gone from pvp for 4 months. As much as I’m annoyed by warriors that’s a kitten move anet. Thieves too.

Is everyone ready for the druid dragonhunter meta (herald too)? I’m anticipating durability runes replacing vamp runes for everyone and there dog using them.

To be honest dh is not viable and druid is about to fall too.
Meta is collapsing around revenant with a spot of mesmer engi necro and ele.
2 revs per team is becoming the standard. 0 dh 0 thieves 0 warriors.

Morwath.9817:

Agemnon.4608:

Probably because it is well known that druids can prolong a battle. That is just one negative, another being the relatively limited scope for stratagems and tactics. The best players apply the same strategies and have the same builds and compositions, and even skill differences are close. The best and second best isn’t absolute and can be determined by one’s mood and/or diet since when you’re that good the difference between best and second best boils down to subjective factors as technical excellence is achieved by both.

What? You blame the Druids, which were least used profession today?:P

Least used were thieves warriors and dh….or you consider they do not exist anymore…which is not 100% wrong :-(

Locuz.2651:

xbutcherx.3861:

I think you playing a different game. You think Warrior and Thief are balanced? inb4 flames!!!

Only 2 out of 9 classes being out of sync is relatively good balance for an MMO.

it is 3 out of 9

3 professions officially out of meta (not present a single time) in last ESL EU tournament:
- warriors & thieves: 2 weeks in a row
- dragon hunter

Ok let’s focus on nerfing these ones. It is obviously highest priority balance concern.