Guild Wars 2

Technically, Ash was first to push to peace with humans. Malice was the one who pushed for retrieving the Claw of the Khan-Ur, using the Vigil as a medium with Jennah.

Also, Iron Legion tech is already clockwork. The difference between human and charr is that humans don’t mass produce and mix a little bit of magic in it (usually just a little).

There is a lot wrong with her. But merely existing isn’t part of it. She just isn’t interesting as is and we got nothing about her except “she is an insane Mary Sue”. The issue is more ArenaNet’s way of spacing out the story with the Living Story updates.

Sorry ANet, but no one wants to wait months to get a paragraph-ish of lore and plot development. Movies can go on for months inbetween but they are their own plots more or less anyways.

Ree Soesbee herself said that Livia only had the Scepter for a short time. So that’s accurate unless they’re going back on that one interview.

Given how all indication is that the wielder of the Scepter can only maniphlate the spiritual, I doubt that it gives eternal youth.

On the dungeon in general:

• Mistlock Observatory is Dessa’s lab. She stumbled upon it sometime in the past – given her dialogue, before the sylvari were known to the world – and she hasn’t left because of a psychological entrapment. She deceives herself into believing she can’t leave, because she believes that if she does, she’ll never be able to return.
• The Fractals themselves are slivers of Tyria’s past – all of them are implied or indicated to be past though it is possible that the Uncategorized is present/future, and any future fractals may be future as well if added.
  • NOTE: Though they’re of the past, they’re never perfect pasts but rather alternative versions of the past – the closest to perfect pasts would be what happened except for our own actions.
• The research Dessa is doing is on the Mists and the ability to create out of the Mists’ protomatter. The research entails stabilizing the fractals which include killing hostile inhabitants (“stabilizing” may be a misleading word, but it’s what they use). Over time these hostile inhabitants are returned to the fractal and thus need to be cleared again.

On the specific Fractals (most of this comes from various interviews, but I don’t really feel like digging through them – most of said interviews are linked on the wiki’s articles for the relevant fractal):

• Urban Battlegrounds is an alternative version of The Searing.
• Solid Oceanic is a representation of the solidified Jade Sea. The Jade Maw is a kraken.
• Volcanic may be a recreation of a situation where grawl worshiped Primordus.
• Cliffside is a pre-historic situation. It was inspired by the greek myth of Prometheus but beyond being of a time when humanity was newish to Tyria, it is overall unknown. The enemies give hint to Ritualism and the seals hold rather Canthan-esque runes. It is likely, in my opinion, to be a recreation of something that happened at the human homeland prior to Cantha (post arriving on the world of Tyria in Orr). We know nothing of the Colossus.
• Aquatic Fractal is implied to be a mixture of two historical scenes – one of Ascalon, one of Elona.
• Snowblind we don’t really have anything on beyond what we see. I theorize that it is of the five-year-long blizzard Jormag made when he awoke, but got little to really support it other than mentions of a blizzard (though it seems made by the Greater Ice Elemental).
• Underground Fractal – no clue. Obviously something of within the past 250 years though.
• Swamp fractal – also no clue.
• Uncategorized – all we know of this is that it is not Rata Sum but a city built by “like-minded architects” (like-minded to those who built Rata Sum).

@Lindelle: All of the Spirits of the Wild (except possibly the “far flung” ones like Gorilla and possibly Otter; Hare is another spirit unlikely to have a havroun). However, Ox, Minotaur, Wurm, etc. should all have havrouns.

In the game, we meet the havrouns for the four main spirits, and we know that Owl hasn’t had a havroun since her death.

For RP purposes, you cannot really do the four major spirits unless you’re RP’ing a post-Grechen’s death and go as the Bear Havroun. BUt you can as a self-proclaimed havroun of the much lesser spirits like Otter, Gorilla, and Hare. Could go with the lesser spirits (Wolverine, Ox, Eagle, Wurm, Minotaur) – though I think those who fought Jormag (Wolverine, Ox, and Eagle) as well as Minotaur are said to have not had a havroun in a few generations – havrouns for the lesser spirits is rarer, iirc.

The vertical dungeons can work in the game rather well actually. See Honor of the Waves – 3 (iirc) levels stacked on top of each other.

The only explanation you can really only use is that the dungeon and open world space scalings aren’t the same – that there’s more space for TA than you’d think via the open world map, lorewise. It’s a mechanics vs. lore situation, mixed in with some suspension of disbelief.

Livia never summoned undead (as a plot device). She obtained the Scepter of Orr sometime after Eye of the North – possibly after the War in Kryta too.

We cannot really be certain that the Scepter of Orr allows control of the undead, given how Khilbron already had control over the undead before having the Scepter of Orr (he’s the one who summons undead while having the Scepter, and claims that the Scepter gave him control of them).

I hope we can get it again too, just because returning content for holidays is good.

But I doubt it.

@Heinel: I doubt we’d be able to expand it unless we start investigating Thorn’s post-mortem life. After all, last year’s was from childhood to death. We may get a Prince Edition though.

Getefix.9150:

he chose to do it, nothing says sylvari HAVE to do their wyld hunt

The Wyld Hunt is described as being like a constant itching in the back of your head you cannot scratch until it is complete.

I dunno about you, but I would not want to go through years of that.

Jordo.5913:

I’m not sourcing WoodenPotatoes voice…i’m sourcing what he did in his video….talk about lazy, sheesh

You guys do know that the video I posted shows Zhaitan’s dead body, floating in water?

He’s dead. You can see so for yourself at 11:05 in the video

That’s a glitch.

Aka a bug.

Aka exploit.

Aka NOT canon.

Danikat.8537:

In fact I think the catacombs extended even further than the borders of Ascalon in GW1, since we discover (in a series of pre-searing quests) that the charr have been using them to sneak spies past the wall.

Technically speaking, the kingdom of Ascalon stretched all the way to where Gwen’s Story takes place during the BMP. Which matches the northern seared lands. The charr just pushed that far south before starting the Searing.

So the catacombs could have easily stretched north of the wall (as they do in the dungeon), while remaining in Ascalon.

Twilight Arbor. Sorrow’s Embrace, Crucible of Eternity, and Honor of the Winds all don’t properly scale to the world map’s distancing.

SE’s placements for some thing has an opening of snow in the ceiling over a lake in Timberline Falls. CoE should be fully underneath the Infinity Coil Reactor in Mount Maelstrom but the Experiment Green Lab (which should be underneath Zone Green by theory) is beneath the Nonmoa Lake in Timberline. HotW you mentioned.

Twilight Arbor’s the same, really. The internal scaling doesn’t match the external one.

But keep in mind that the world is much better than the open world scaling indicates. It shouldn’t be possible to run from the western edge of Rata Sumto the eastern edge of Fields of Ruin without gates or waypoints in only a couple hours – lorewise. The open world is scaled down – just as it was in GW1, though less so than in GW1 – for reasonable gameplayability.

Those dungeon instances where the internal dungeon is larger than the external dungeon is merely a case of different size scalings.

Side note: those “mountain zones in the surface” probably don’t exist in lore unless there’s something within them. They act as zone borders primarily. Lorewise they don’t exist. Though to explain the Aetherblade airship dock… they have utilized Inquest tech to make holograms over their airship docks. See the Gendarran Fields JP.

Side note 2: What issue is there between Arah story and exp? I don’t recall one.

Thing is, Shiren… They haven’t said it once in the living story. And with one dev post exception, it has all been “if you defeated him then he is defeated for you.” There really hasn’t been a definitive “he is dead” especially since defeated doesn’t mean dead – we defeated Canach, twice, for example.

Scott’s statement in the TowerTalk interview can be taken a number of ways, really.

And the reason it would not apply to gw2 is because ArenaNet had said when initiating Flame and Frost that the design will be to avoid paradoxes when one plays through the LS first as for them the Pact and such may not have been formed – this and how Scott worded his statement of pre or post Zhaitan indicate that they’re wanting parallel storylines… But they are making such paradoxes present regardless.

I do not. The husks seem unrelated to the sylvari overall – I don’t recall the details but there is an event chain in Sparkfly Fen about the Nightmare Court making and selling a husk to the Inquest. Though I use “making” loosely as they mention using sacrifices to, iirc, tame “the spawn” which imply they give sylvari as sacrifices to gain allegiance of husks.

But if that is wrong then husks are likely made by the Nightmare Court, making them successors not precursors of sylvari.

I have always viewed the cavern full of plant creatures seen in Eye of the North.

It may have been that… But I could have sworn there was a line – possibly not that interview but an interview during sylvari week – that said the Pale Tree made the sylvafi humanoid.

Well, whichever… I can be and have been wrong.

Add a new mail after completing Victory or Death – one from Trahearne telling the PC to take R&R while the Pact recover their forces and continue the fight with risen clean up.

Then retroactively make all past instances of the LS to be post Victory or Death story steps. This includes the dungeons returning, but rebalanced to be like Canach’s Lair or Scarlet’s Playhouse – soloable but better scaled in groups. Throughout we get the old mail and new ones – updates from our orders or the Pact. This would also include the moving of Historical achievements into two new categories: PS/LS, which also includes the PS achievements, and Festivals (Gauntlet, SAB, Halloween, Dragon Bash, and Wintersday categories). Also re-add all related content to those achievements.

On top of bringing back achievement and instances capability of completion, create splitting instances of the Lost Shores – the split being between Kiel’s investigation or Levvi’s research to counter the karka, each having 3-4 instances added for one step. A total of 4 story steps, 7/8 instances added to take place between Victory or Death and the Flame and Frost instances, which would start with split between following Rox or Braham before the Molten Facility final instance (3 steps, 4/5 instances).

Return small portal/drill events and spy scopes from F&F as a resurfacing of the MA under Scarlet. Just to keep some more real time progression. And also return the TA F/U path, but with a balanced boss fight. There was no reason to delete it…

Lastly in retroactivity : remove WvW from overall map completion, while adding skill challenges and vistas to Southsun Cove and make that count to both Krytan Explorer and map completion. Would love Labyrinthine Cliffs to return too with different events, skill challenges, vistas, and contribution to map completion. Both can, in the future, be expanded into larger zones. Especially Labrynthine Cliffs which can be extended to connect to Mount Maelstrom at Judgment Rock – Southsun can be extended east to the road at Sparkfly that goes into a rock cliff.

Properly progress the story of Scarlet in January, February, and possibly March – ending her plot in March. I say those months because November and December are likely mostly done by now. And during this properly increase the world’s lore and create non-LS related events in all zones (no need for plot relevance. Just something new here and there anyone can do – like when Vexa’s Lab got added).

Then with Scarlet’s defeat we focus on the Pact’s renwed forces going after the last of the risen – open world having ambient undead outside Orr and Tequatl’s areas. This opens another player poll in-game – choosing which dragon to go after. April’s first update is the poll and lessened risen, second is a revamp to Arab story and exp with a new 5th path with Ogden going after Zhaitan’s corpse. The new story would be more epic a fight and highly suggested but not permanent. This leads into Tequatl’s power boost. Following months clear this in story then we love onto the chosen dragon – Jormag, Kralkatorrik, or Primordus.

mexay.3902:

Shard of Zhaitan item description states he is forever dead.

Nothing else to be said. He’s confirmed to be dead.

One can, quite easily, argue that the description is talking about the shard being forever dead.

Nightsong.5973:

Well, here’s the thing, each of the Elder Dragons represent a primal aspect of nature:
- life (guessing it’s Mordromoth the jungle Elder Dragon)
- death (Zhaitan)
- earth (Kralkatorrik)
- air (Jormag)
- fire (Primordus)
- water (Bubbles also known as the Deep Sea Dragon)

I highly doubt that it would be possible to kill death or anything that is an aspect of death. My own guess on what happened at the end of the Arah story is that the cannons (which are based on the studies of the Inquest into dragon energy) weakened Zhaitan to the point he’s withdrawn back into hibernation to lick his wounds (we never did see a body and it’s assumed that because Zhaitan fell from the tower after being hit by the cannons he is well and truly dead). Due to Zhaitan retreating, his vast amount of power and control had to go somewhere, say his second in command, Tequatl the Sunless. This would explain why Tequatl has suddenly gotten much stronger yet none of the other dragon champions (Shatterer and Claw) have had much of a power increase since their master is still alive and well.

Interview with Jeff, Ree, and Scott with GuildMag (in their most recent magazine, the 9th), Jeff states that there is an Elder Dragon of vegetation, ice, elements, fire, and water. Not mentioning all one by one though but as examples.

Thus, Mordremoth is vegetations. Kralkatorrik who uses crystal, fire, and lightning would be elements.

Jormag is not air at all. He is ice, pure and simple.

No, it outright mentioned the Pale Tree being conscious of the sylvari’s appearance.

Though thinking on it… It may have been actively choosing the individual’s gender.

That’s not hologram effects. Likely new. Either leak or glitch or intended preview.

The nonesense is the legend. Not the spell itself. And the legend seems to have been made after the Foefire, since it seems to only be about ending the curse in Ascalon itself.

It was an interview so it should be. I’m on my phone so cannot do a quick search easily. I think it was the TowerTalk interview on sylvari.

Also grotesquely out of date. 8D

Should probably do a more up to date research…

1. In gw1 it was said the catacombs extend across the kingdom. So it’s the same place but different sections, lore wise.
2. That is Melandru, not Lyssa.
3. In gw2, there is a statue of Kormir at Vassar and Ralena. And a statue of Grenth at Kasha. Where they are in story ofc. There are statues of Balthazar in the Hall of Champions iirc, but not entirely sure there. Northern side.
4. I am not sure on that gw2 mural but… That reminds me of the Kekai art piece “Wings” which I thought was not GW related…

On your questions…

Amaranda the Lonesome: A distant shore—and darkness. A root, a cave…you. You are the seed. What Ronan knew and never told still lingers in the Dream.

Points to the nature of Malyck’s appearance I think. Ronan did interact with the whole cave more or less, and that may have been enough. He may have even tried to take multiple seeds but lost some which seeded by chance.

And points to Wooden Potatoes for this but her starting lines is very similar to A Path to Revelations in Eye of the North that’s implied to be hinted at Orr and Arah by Jeff.

Edit: @Aaron: actually, Ree confirmed that the Pale Tree consciously shaped the sylvari appearance back during sylvari week. Done so that they can assimilate into the world better, iirc. The asura and scholars theory exists too… As a nod to players only. And the theory is that the sylvari were shaped by the souls of those who died at the tree.

They aren’t simple canons though. Zojja modified them using research obtained via Crucible of Eternity which was researching the nature and control of the Elder Dragons and their magic.

Technically speaking about the dev bit, they only say defeated and there’s claim going in the lore forum that Angel said Zhaitan wasn’t dead at PAX – while unrecorded. Sounds dubious given how much time it took to be mentioned anywhere, personally, especially since it is so concrete of a response which is very unusual for ArenaNet without some indication of “that’s not the full story”.

I’ll be honest though, none of the OP’s points hold water.

• The risen actually have gotten changes – aside from Orrian risen becoming larger, all risen are now hunched over. They weren’t in the beginning.
• You won’t get any story progress with them until there is a fill update focused on them – that’s how the so-called Living World works. They focus on one thing at a time, usually one thing a month.
• Tequatl’s powerboost (and the temple priests if that ever becomes tied to story, though I’m doubtful) can easily occur in many explanations go be post-Zhaitan. There’s a couple lore forum threads that speculated on it.
• Just because Zhaitan makes undead doesn’t really mean he is one himself. His corruption is more of rot and decay which he certainly appears like, but like a necromancer that doesn’t prove he is undead.

Edit: oh, and Zoltreez, the Eyes and Mouths of Zhaitan are minions. The Eyes were the kings and queens of Orr (living and dead by the time of the Exodus). They aren’t actual parts of Zhaitan, they just have unique abilities that connect them more to Zhaitan than the other minions.

Siphaed.9235:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Erm… the wiki doesn’t say – as far as I know or you quoted – that Edrick is of the final wife. Only that they were killed with Thorn (though technically we don’t know if Wynn and the villagers succeeded in killing those two then and there).

The wiki does say……

• His tyranny came to an end in approximately 825 AE when an angry mob ambushed him, ending his earthly rule. His wife and son, Prince Edrick, were also killed, ending the Thorn dynasty, and the throne went to his cousin. Worried that he would try to return using his magic, his killers hid his body parts in boxes and buried them in locations scattered across Tyria, obscuring their locations with magical seals.

Of course, it’s a wonder whether or not the wiki is in-fact accurate to the degree that we read it as. But, the original quote I provided you -as well as this one- makes me wonder if Wife #8 was pregnant? That would be the only true justification under the “end the Thorn line”. Most of his wives were prisoners to his insanity and risked constant threat of execution (many of which succumbed to it), so a queen that rises to the throne out of his death can be assumed to be nearly polar opposite of his style of rule.

Maybe I’m just reading too much into it….

I’d go with reading too into it. Typically a married in spouse is considered part of the line in ancient royalty – and if the Tyruan royalty mirrors our own then there was some intermarriage between royalties and distant relatives in order to keep bloodlines pure.

In this case, I would argue that either the 8th wife was also bad or she was considered part of the Thorn bloodline by marriage.

Caithe’s path that shows Malyck not having any amnesia kind of debunks the notion that he had a Dream nonetheless.

My view is a bit of the both and then some.

The chapters are too short with too hit-and-miss chance of returning characters. No room for real development with NPCs and PCs cannot be truly retentive with their development due to how each parallel chapter must hold the same development or cannot easily exist later on without a lot of VO.

Then you get the fact that the best the latter storyline has to offer is the… Vaska was it? The Fear storyline for “harming comrades” where you’re tricked into killing a unit of Vigil soldiers and have to find out the mesmer behind it. The rest of the stories are just “push forward against endless undead! Oh noes, ally A, B, and F are dead! We must push forward for to ensure their deaths are not in vain! Oh noes, ally C, D, and G are dead! We must push forward to ensure their deaths are not in vain!”

Of all the end personal storyline chapters, I can only say I enjoyed the Fear path you met Sayeh (just because she tells Trahearne off somewhat during the Temple of the Forgotten God mission), and the Whispers invasion of Cursed Shore (cuz the final mission there is AWESOME and full of cinematics and large climatic battles if done right… and yet the Vigil path is a buggy “press 2 to win” lololol Military order my kitten ). And those paths probably end up better if you’re a sylvari who went to the arena during the lvl 26 or w/e story path.

Siphaed.9235:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Siphaed.9235:

The GW2 wiki states “his wife and Son Edrick were killed too”, but is that backed up by source? Since he had 8 wives to count, is it not possible that his ‘favorite’ of them all -5th wife, Princess Zola- was the mother of Edrick? Can’t wait until Tuesday to find out which of the 8 is his mother….

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Wynn_

Thanks, but that really doesn’t clarify things. He never said “his son and the boy’s mother”, instead his quote was “Our strength is in our numbers. When he’s dead, we’ll go after the queen and the prince. End the Thorn line once and for all. "

That only means that wife #8 and son died at the same time by the villagers after they’d killed Thorne. But, by no means does that guarantee that he [the son] was with his mother during his death. Variables to take into account is that Thorn had 8 wives and his son was of late teens/early 20’s age when killed (given the screens we have of him, the age can be gauged as post-puberty).

Thorn killed a few of his wives, but did Jr. kill any as well? What’s not to assume that wife #5 was indeed his mother and he killed step-moms #6 and #7, while being killed side-by-side with #8? How long was each marriage that Thorn held with each woman?

Many of the unanswered questions require a rather intricate backstory to be woven for believability of having a son at all.

Erm… the wiki doesn’t say – as far as I know or you quoted – that Edrick is of the final wife. Only that they were killed with Thorn (though technically we don’t know if Wynn and the villagers succeeded in killing those two then and there).

Actually, Aaron, you’re not entirely correct there.

Firstly, Malyck never hakitten esia. That was an assumption the player character – and later Caithe/Trahearne made because Malyck didn’t know what the Dream or Grove was. If you go with Caithe’s plan then we learn that Malyck remembers everything, at least from awakening. If you go with Trahearne’s plan then we learn he was never tied to the Dream of Dreams (as far as any sylvari of the Pale Tree can tell).

Secondly, from the White Stag storyline and A Light in the Darkness, we know the Dream of Dreams isn’t unique to the Pale Tree. We also know the Pale Tree doesn’t control or own the Dream of Dreams. If it isn’t unique to the Pale Tree, then it is entirely possible other trees won’t have ties to it. It is likely the Pale Tree grew to contact with the Dream of Dreams due to the location – like the White Stag may have. Besides, if the Pale Tree can see the current future of Orr in the Dream of Dreams, then she should be capable of seeing the other trees’ experiences with the Dream of Dreams.

Thirdly, we don’t really know how much Malyck learned into the weeks that it was since he was found – much kitten rn from his pod. He could have learned to speak and all that at that moment, being taken in as if he hakitten esia. An adult brain when lacking all memory, even how to dress and speak, can probably learn fast enough if not damaged. He doesn’t use a wide range of vocabulary from my memory either, anyways. We may actually find out, I think in the first story step with him but that is lacking dialogue on the wiki. All the second step is that he awoke 2 weeks prior, injured, and was found and cared for by the kidnapped wardens earlier rescued.

So it is entirely up in the air whether he had a DoD experience and cannot remember, or didn’t. But it leans more towards the “didn’t have a Dream of Dreams experience.”

“dead” was never used, technically. And yes, Mystic, it is semantics, but Anet always ensures they don’t lock themselves into a specific story path – so I’d be surprised if Angel said “Zhaitan is alive” rather than their current “it depends on where the players are in their own PS.”

Yes.

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I wasn’t saying that you were calling it bad. Just that it’s really hard to be confident of anything related to the Seers due to them being such a huge enigma.

Siphaed.9235:

The GW2 wiki states “his wife and Son Edrick were killed too”, but is that backed up by source? Since he had 8 wives to count, is it not possible that his ‘favorite’ of them all -5th wife, Princess Zola- was the mother of Edrick? Can’t wait until Tuesday to find out which of the 8 is his mother….

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Wynn_

On phone so gonna be short if possible. Will post again in more detail. Regarding Primordus, it seems the situation is that he can but doesn’t corrupt living beings. Sources:
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/uploads/gallery/album_163/gallery_3318_163_39486.png
http://www.guildmag.com/magazine/issue9/interview.htm

The living he would corrupt – though we have not knowingly seen such – is hinted to corrupt in a similar manner to icebrood. Where icebrood slowly turn to ice from outside in, living being destroyers would be coated in rock and then twisted beneath that rock, eventually becoming it. It woulsnt be instantaneous per the devs.

Do note that when the corruption scenario for Primordus was given, it was in response to a question asking if the final boss of the Volcanic Fractal is a crawl corrupted by Primordus. Which seems to be that’s how Primordus would corrupt living beings.

About the dwarves – honestly, their mentality mimics that of ED corruption. Unified mind with fanatic levels of devotion, bodies transformed to an element… My belief is that the ritual reverted them to their original form which was a creation made to mimic Elder Dragon corruption – perhaps as a prototype magic to the ritual which freed Glint. Event if it wasn’t their original form, it’d be possible to have been a prototype spell.

As to the Elder Dragons rising from the depths rather than the Mists. They’ve been sleeping for supposedly 10,000 years, if not an extra 1,000 – and at the least, 3,000 years if a theory of mine is right. They would sink just as ancient structures would. It is no wonder at all why the Elder Dragons were at least partially buried. On the Mists though, I think the Mists hold the key to removing the Elder Dragon influence. Forgotten supposedly come from the Mists, and the gods possibly cleansed some corruption when they arrived on the world. And the Dream of Dreams holds similarities to the Mists hinting a link – thus possibly being why sylvari are immune.

Rather than an EU branch (at least how I understand the lineof thought being a separate guild), just denoting a main EU server to get on would suffice. Until we’eebtoo large we don’t need to split.

It needs to be remembered that the charr are a dictatorship as well, unlike the Romans – even their own version of a dictatorship (which is vastly different from our view of it). The Tribunes in Rome and the Tribunes in charr society are very different as well. They’re not elected or the like. Really the only similarity would be that it is a high rank and they share names.

Charr Tribunes are the third highest rank in charr society, underneath the Khan-Ur (aka Primus Imperator) and the Imperator.

Durzlla.6295:

Why aren’t they Gargoyles? because they don’t look the same? By that logic there are no Krait, or Oakhearts, or Gryphons, or Giants, or Jotun anymore too right?

Giants are technically different between the two games (most gw1 giants appear more like gw2 ogres) for all we know.

The rest at least somewhat resemble their gw1 counterparts. The gargoyles aren’t even close to resembling their tinned humanoid bipedal gw1 counterparts.

Durzlla.6295:

And the Gargoyles aren’t “Extinct” we see them ALL OVER the Mad Kings Realm, not to mention they could all be on the kittening floating castle of mysteries for all we know, or in Cantha, or Elona, or Maguuma or anywhere we haven’t been to since GW1 or ever before.

I am highly doubtful they migrated to another continent much less across the Unending Ocean or across the largest mountain range overnight. Technically speaking, to all our knowledge indications say they are extinct… in Tyria (world).

Durzlla.6295:

All we know is that the Gargoyles Mysteriously vanished, and it seems to be all at once too, an entire species doesn’t just evaporate into thin air, i guarantee they used either some sort of magic to hide themselves/ teleport, or were summoned enmasse to somewhere.

Can go either way, really. Maybe they just all went underground or performed a mass species wide suicide.

What the GW2 gargoyles are is truly debatable… but I’m doubting that they’re the same as the GW1 gargoyles. They not only appear much more different (no longer bipedal, no on fire), but honestly their appearances – especially the reskinned rockdog appearance – makes me think “Destroyer” rather than “creature of stone that likes to climb things.”

I have not heard that ArenaNet had confirmed Zhaitan is not dead.

Mind you, defeated != dead, so it Zhaitan’s still alive then it’s not technically a retcon or some such.

However, in an interview with TowerTalk, Scott makes it sound like Zhaitan is, while Angel makes it sound like Zhaitan isn’t. Kind of a “can be this, can be that” I think. Aka ArenaNet’s dancing around the bush with the state of the personal story compared to the living story’s placement with "the LS happens with where the player is during the PS (despite the entire Aetherblades’ existence of airships and Tequatl’s update requiring the Pact to exist and be invading Orr at the moment).

It’s all really hard to say. Honestly, I’m thinking ArenaNet should have released the PS chapters in content patches (so they could improve that later stuff and make it feel like it’s taking more time to do them then the hours we use to play), as it seems like they’re now wanting the LS to happen alongside rather than after the PS. With Dragon Bash on being from Forging the Pact onward. It’s hard to say, really, but it’s too late to do such.

Honestly, I wish they’d stop with their dancing around the chronological timeline kitten. It’s just making people scratch their heads in utter confusion – which is not the good kind of head scratching (the good kind is when people are puzzled over a mystery, not trying to figure out unclarity).

The Solid Oceanic Fractal is even said to have “once been water.”

Update notes outright state the thing is a kraken.

Regarding the green jade constructs – go revisit Riverside Province at the Temple of the Unseen. There were some green jade construct “statues” there. I always figured the new Jade Cloaks to come from there.

Actually, CHIPS, the visions was just what the PC was searching for – in Hearts of the North the Scrying Pool was used to look at what Kieran’s done. The Scrying Pool is capable of looking at all past and present events the user – if said user can have enough mental focus – thinks of.

So really it can be anyone, but from what we’re told – it’s not norn, asura, dwarven, or human. It doesn’t resemble known jotun, mursaat, charr, Forgotten, kodan, or Seer architecture either. Unless they had some ancient designs that were lost and forgotten to time and mostly destroyed anywhere else (which given how study the Eye of the North is… would be weird).

@Narcemus: Honestly, trying to point anything to the Seers is a huge assumption beyond GW1’s infusion magic and the Bloodstones.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

“Your Mad King says: be more emotional than Trahearne. Congratulations, rock, you pass.”

Except that Trahearne’s very emotional.

Too easily depressed in some cases. He’s just monotonous as all hell (his primary failing).

Andele.1306:

All player necromancers that got all their elites in GW2 are undead, Lich form yo.
(For Zhai – http://images.mmorpg.com/images/galleries/formatted/152012/9fa389d1-c245-4216-a6cc-44b2d0443c1c.JPG)

That image is about the concept art of Zhaitan – not the actual in-game lore. But all it says is “Zhaitan is a dragon made of dragons” not “Zhaitan is undead/a risen”.

And your argument on player necromancers is absolutely ludicrous.

Andele.1306:

For Bmoa and Rphoenix you really have to be stupid not to understand the concepts of evolution and what the Lazarus tax is on extinct animals (also no extinction means that we/a dominant and sentient pecies has no known record of a life form being… well alive anywhere anymore, not that they are deleted from existence and record).
By the way a species (that used to be “extinct” before they got discovered again) being bred and found nowhere else is something i gave you examples of above and is one of the prime things that state the rare status of it.

For a last comment before i send a few reports, if you read but dont understand whats written (or develop weird headcanon about it that makes no sense in any way), you might not wanna use what you read as a weapon since it tends to backfire.

I very well understand the concept of extinction. My point is that the Black Moa and Rainbow Phoenix were never claimed to be either endangered or extinct. One was a new species, the other was merely rarely seen. Which is something you continuously deny despite the fact I provide sources and you provide none.

I highly suggest for you to step back and take a deep breath. You’re the only one being hostile here, and if you really did/will report, it’ll just bite you in the kitten if there’s even action done.

As for understanding what’s written – I can say the same for you. Until you provide sources – actual sources that state the Black Moa/Rainbow Phoenix was extinct/thought extinct, rather than just claiming it so – to counter my sources that back myself up, then the only one here who’s using “headcanon,” as you put it, is you. And thus far, what I’ve read has not backfired on me.

I’m very well aware of that, Panzer. My point is that the western vampire doesn’t exist in the GW-verse, and no implications of such exist.

…yet.

Mechanically, yeah it’s only accessible via asura gates… well, I’m not entirely sure about the way from Bogroot Growths though… that’d be close enough to be via direct tunnels at least. But lorewise, I’d be surprised if the dwarves didn’t have a direct route – if Eye of the North kept to the original concept of being Prophecies-only expansion (rather than “any campaign expansion”), then we may have gotten an entrance from the Southern Shiverpeaks instead of the Battledepths.

But yeah, we know they knew of each other for sometime underground. How long – unknown. The level of interaction – unknown.

Though without that wp reducion, I wonder if they’d be worth doing except for the slim chance of the new exotics…

But I digress, point was that Fractal is unlikely why people voted for Kiel rather than Evon.

Regina Buenaobra.6193:

It’s hard to tell what the functionality of the item is from just a screen shot, so I’m here to clarify. This screen shot actually shows the Bloody Prince Thorn costume and not an armor skin, so it is not usable in combat.

Why do this?

The Mad King Thorn armor and the Bloody Prince Thorn armor are both awesome. I really wish they and other town clothing were able to be used in combat… GW1 did their costumes right, why do worse wit GW2? :/

I dear hope not. Vampires may exist in the GW universe, but they look like this.

Besides, I think Edrick <s>Cullen</s> Thorn is a ghost like his old man. He was supposedly killed with him.

Black Moas were not originally on Tyria. Moas (now called Crimson Moas) were. The Black Moa species was made because some merchants/noblemen had a moa and lost it within the Echovald Forest, said forest’s magic twsited it into the Black Moa – making it more aggressive and larger.

I cannot tell what your argument with Phoenixes is. Standard Phoenixes weren’t even native to continental Tyria, bred solely within Raisu Palace (per the lore of it) so those could have been considered an endangered species easily. Rainbow Phoenixes – a completely different breed – was simply said to almost never be seen thus making them extremely rare.

You can read the sources":http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Zho%27s_Journal

I won’t argue the case of Zhaitan because let’s face it – there’s really nothing beyond its appearance that we can use to argue left or right. And it’s not like you must be undead to raise undead – see necromancers – (plus, Risen aren’t typical undead anyways).