Guild Wars 2

Your change to the illusion line will severely weaken shatter builds, so no I don’t support this at all.

Aridia.3042:

When people ask for pets to be able to hit on the run, they’re basically asking for an aimbot that won’t miss. It’s not going to happen, ever.

You mean like how players can move while attacking but can still be kited, blocked, dodged and mitigated?

Engineers in a worse state then Ranger? Give Ranger Grenade and Bomb kit and we won’t be complaining, we will be enjoying the faceroll.

Diy.5296:

kurrata.6427:

lowest health is somewhere in 14-15k zone. There is no way iberserker hit you for ~12k hp they dont even do damage close to that number or maybe you were lvl 1 in lvl 1 gear while he was in full legendary with real lvl 80?

Since he’s an elementalist, his hp would be below 11k at level 80, if he has no +vit from gear or traits or buffs (orb/food/etc) and just a pure dps spec. So in this specific case it’s actually possible.

Either way, damage on the berserker is fine, the no los requirement on it needs to be fixed though, and elementalists need a lot of love so there’s an actual reason they are the squishiest class while not even being near the top damage dealers.

Berserker LoS can be fixed when they either give us a targeted AoE on par with the other classes or fix all targeted AoE so it can’t go through doors or out of LoS itself.

fishergrip.4082:

If there’s any longbow that needs to be buffed, its the ranger’s.

This is very true.

Longbow on my Warrior is great as it is.

The problem isn’t Necro skill 3, its that you can stomp people while stealthed. Really stupid.

No, compared to other classes Grenades are absurdly OP. The other stuff can be brought up but Grenades need toning down.

Wulfrim.4793

Wow….. 16 pages on this thread because of one nerf?
Rangers are babies.
It was a week ago they nerfed it. They said there was not going to be a update this week because of the halloween event. The next scheduled update is 10/22 and for some reason people are crying because it wasn’t changed this week? Makes no sense to me. Go back to other MMO’s and realize there are updates every MONTH rather than week and I’m sure you will come right back to this one. Rangers still really aren’t that bad. The same ranger plays on my tPvP team as did two weeks ago and he still performs his duties to the key.

Ever heard of the straw that broke the camels back?

Our weapons are crap, our Pets are bugged, lackluster utilities and our support might as well be non existent even if it doesn’t die. We stuck through it because Shortbow gave us something to work with, we at least had a build that did some damage and if played well could kill something, we could use that while we waited until they got round to fixing the Ranger. Instead of fixes we got a nerf to our Ranger and was lied to about it. Now the Ranger has nothing, our hopes that Anet knows what they are doing and are a decent company died with it.

If they had no plans for a patch this week then maybe they shouldn’t have released a bug ridden patch nerfing the only good thing about one of the classes the week before.

Pets need to hit while moving.

Deleted already? figures.

So is there going to be no patch this week? You would think they would throw a band aid on one of our other weapons to help us out while they work on the actual fixes for the class…..they aren’t going to fix the class are they….

Duncan.7294:

Maybe they found that rangers were the least likely class to spend money in the cash shop because of the flower and unicorn legendary bows. Seriously how much of the playerbase is girls really?

I keep forgetting about these.

They really don’t care about the Ranger do they.

Ever think that maybe Mesmers aren’t OP? Maybe other classes are UP?

What a well thought out post with lots of information about why you think this.

Honestly even in situations where the pet can actually attack (randomly exploring and leveling) the Pet isn’t picking up the slack of our low damage weapons.

After playing my Warrior for a bit I find it painful to go back to Ranger. My level 30 Warrior is hitting for the same amount as my level 70 Ranger now. I’ve tried them both against golems in the mists and Warrior is so far exceeding Ranger+Pet its not even funny.

takatsu.9416:

again, these are all personal opinions. My ranger is often longest lasting in dungeons and tough pve situations in Orr, as well as game changer damage on long standing boss fights, I pull aggro immediately from champs and bosses as soon as i put on some heavy dps. where as other classes are getting down, my dps is severely high steadily when im kiting or even when i decide to melee and evading/dodging around. I don’t know about you or your build, but my build has a ton of steady dps. I don’t even need my pet to do anything.

What i’m saying is don’t be so absolute because there are players who make their ranger shine in many situations, including pvp and wvw. Rangers who take down players no matter what class.

Just because certain peoples experience is crappy doesn’t mean everyone’s ranger experience is bad. Stop being absolute and understand maybe ranger doesn’t work for YOU. but works for someone else.

That said, once again, i’m not saying there are no issues and things dont need to be improved. I’m saying stop being absolute and saying rangers are horrible. They aren’t for some players. They are extremely effective in all situations if played right

Did you think before you typed that? Hardcore dungeon and tPvP guilds don’t want Rangers in their groups for these things. Pickup dungeon groups are starting to decline Rangers. These are facts. I am not every single hardcore dungeon/tPvP guild in the game rolled into one person with added pickup groups thrown in I am just one person noticing what is happening in the game. If Ranger had anything to offer these people would have found it by now.

Well done on killing some noobs btw. The fact that on the same skill level any other class can stomp you without thinking isn’t important, we have enough to actually play the game so it must be perfectly balanced.

illusionary rogue is the Mesmer number 3 skill. Even if the number 2 doesn’t bug out and gets him to safety from your stomp you can probably still stomp him before he gets it out.

Maybe I should try Elementalist, need an AoE spammy class for when I want to Zerg in WvWvW, now do I want another human or a another Sylvari… hmmmm

I think Warrior is a safe bet, they are what the balance team plays.

Personally I tried some alts but I am just not feeling it.

Mesmer: I actually have a Mesmer at the same Level as my Ranger from before the nerfs but the PvP community whining is slowly getting that nerfed every patch even though it is pretty bad at general PvE. I’m holding out hope that it doesn’t get too bad but after the Shrotbow nerf who knows what they will do to classes anymore.

Warrior: Currently at level 30 and it kinda depresses me to be honest. The only thing my Ranger can do that my Warrior can’t is traps. Everything else the Warrior can do better. Hell even though he is so many levels under my Ranger it is already beginning to crit for the same amount of damage my Ranger can do. So everytime I play my warrior it just feels like I have wasted all my time since head start.

Engineer/Theif: Not actually tried these (well I have an Asura Engineer at lowish levels) but for various reasons playing any medium armour class I really want to use the same looks/story choices and prob even name as my Ranger. I also kind of have my heart set on making a Skritt Engineer at some point, even though they will probably never become playable. So I just can’t bring myself to play these classes at the moment.

I also tried carrying on with my Ranger to at least get her to Orr to farm for me but the lackluster weapons pretty much make it feel like I am just pressing buttons to pass the time till my Eagle or Cat does the actual work.

I don’t know why this is turned into a PvE vs PvP thread when Ranger is crap at both. And all they bring to WvWvW now is barrage.

Yeah you can get through trash mobs while leveling or farming well, but so can anybody really. There are already people now who will refuse to take Rangers in their dungeon groups now. Whatever you think about those kind of people, you can’t really blame them, Rangers have no damage and no support (sticking Spirits in some out of the way corner where their area of effect can’t reach the actually fight doesn’t really help the problem that their buffs are crap).

I’d just like to point out that the Ritulist got turned into the Engineer (Spirits = turrets and Weapon spells becoming kits), one of the many things I was disappointed to see in GW2.

Looks like no patch today then. I think we can agree that was going to be the best case scenario for Rangers.

Speno.1874:

Lets face it. I am almost 110% sure this was done for the botting issues. So instead of taking care of the bots. We are punished for a easy bandaid fix.

You are probably right, the problem is ofcourse that bots are using Rangers for pets + Search and Rescue and using shortbow because Ranger had nothing else.

Oh and by Large I mean by Ranger standards.

Birds F2 attacks actually hit twice and can crit for a large amount, you know if they actually hit.

The thing about Mantras are that the only mechanics that are unique to them are the down sides (the casting). Shouts, some signets and even one of Eles air attacks can all be used while doing other things.

Also Juvenile Brown Bear in mind that Signet of Rage has a passive effect when it is not being used.

To be exact it is in the Eternal Battlegrounds WvWvW map (middle map of the 4).

Expansive.3716

The engineer class needs a bit of help too

I am so fed up of this lie. Engineers can put out insane amounts of aoe DPS. They can put out more DPS in an area then some classes can on a single target, rangers didn’t even know numbers went that high. Grenades and bomb kit are stupidly OP and they can have perma swiftness with a tiny trait investment and all Engineers do is complain that they need more buffs.

Also Ranger DPS is less then Ele and at least Ele still has some support builds to be useful in WvWvW and dungeons, Ranger has literally nothing going for it now. The shortbow nerf even took away its ability to do projectile finishers well, not that that was a particularly note worthy thing in the first place.

Jasott.7914:

Since we can mostly agree that while yes the Prayers (and in engi’s case Blessings) are underpowered as skills but decent for being racials that are there just for flavor, but because they are called PRAYERS, it would be nice if they could at least have some audio to go along with them like the Mesmer’s Mantras.

But there is no flavour to it. And it is under powered compared to other racials.

I thought the whole point of the bleeding only being applied from the side/back was to make thought required to sue the shortbow.

Guess it was just to make the shortbow attack weaker then the Warrior Rifles’.

This thread is weird, the first post has nothing to do with the title adn the responses have nothing to do with the first post.

Why had you built your arrowcart there? I have never used one but should they only be able to hit people in places where they can shoot back?

If that isn’t the case then I think its arrowcarts that need to be nerfed.

Has this been confirmed as a bug? I mean if it is and they remove it then we won’t really have a condition weapon underwater.

Also it is the only time confusion is useful in PvE so I hope they don’t.

Mine is Prayer to Lyssa so consider yourself lucky.

Kelesti.2458:

The scepter clones also spawn in melee range, instead of on you. I don’t think the chain is the first thing that needs to be fixed with them…

That is literally the only useful thing about the auto attack. The auto attack and/or weapon need to be reworked before that changes.

I have noticed a graphical glitch on the auto attack which seems to be making me evade every three hits. Hopefully that is fixed.

To make it even more confusing that guy is a Warrior.

Since you are focusing on PvE and WvWvW then either Warrior or Engineer. Engineer has completely OP AoE so you can farm very well and it should be pretty easy to get all geared up again.

To those saying Mesmer, just a heads up. While Mesmers are great at WvWvW, ok in dungeons (well anything is a step up from Rangers in dungeons), they are the worst class for leveling and other general PvE and horrible at farming in the Orr DE Zerg. And because the last lot of Mesmer nerfs showed Anet care more about PvP then PvE I would expect a string of Mesmers nerfs over the next few patches (they already confirmed they are changing Portal somehow).

Yeah Decoy and feedback are great. I agree on the lack of general use utilities. I dislike Mantras too, boring to use and have to use all your trait points to make them worth taking in the first place.

Also the Signet that gives you random boons should work outside of combat again. And we could do with a speed boosting utility (passive speed boosting signet or a swiftness giver).

I think the utility Phantasms are pretty stupid too:-
The boon/condition stripper is only useful if you take up all 3 of your illusion spaces up with them, otherwise null field and arcane thievery outclass them.
The Defender has too little health to be useful in situations where you need that kind of damage reduction.
They both also take up spaces from other illusions and clog up your shatters if you want their effects.

Ditton.3149:

Yes..because insulting the man who comes in here and tries to tell you what is going on is a good idea. The best thing we can do is thank him for his work, advise what changes we would like and hope for the best. You catch more flies with honey than you do vinegar.

I don’t really think we should have to try and sweet talk Anet into balancing their game.

I wonder how long it will take for their ‘data’ to show ‘that shortbow is now not effective’ considering it still hasn’t shown up the other weapons yet.

Banjax.6573

At max range, it feels pretty slow to me. It’s certainly plenty of time for the enemy move out of the ring (which most do). On walls though it’s great, you can keep a constant barrage up and keep people off walls easy enough.
My point?
Back to your other post saying it didn’t make sense that Engi’s had better AoE dps than your single target dps. I was simply pointing out the con’s attached to that AoE dps which people often overlook.

But those cons apply even more so to the Longbow…

Emrad.9260:

@Levetty
The foefire was genocide versus humans also, in addition to enslaving their soul.
There were people in Kryta before the searing and exodus from Ascalon.

Also they do get kitten for that, from the separatists, the other humans however have realised that past sins shouldn’t get in the way of present peace.
Continued war against the Charr because of the searing when they have themselves commited similar (and in my opinion worse) acts, and even when the ones responsible among the Charr are being opposed (flame legion).
Letting sins from 200 years previous come in the way of peace, with the threat of the Dragons, would be a very stupid move.

So the acts of singular mad men is the same as the whole of Charr planing out and supporting a genocide and then celebrating the searing to this day? And once again why did the foefire even get added to the story?

As I already said the whole thing is a mess and just a combination of not caring about fans, poor writing and wanting to make their mary sue race look amazing and it disgusts me that they aren’t being called out for it more.

I don’t accept the nerf even without the added bugs. Not until the other weapons are brought up and the pet is sorted out.

Banjax.6573:

@Levitty
B/c that Engineer AoE dps is slow as molasses to get there and puts a big ole red ring on the ground letting our targets know to gtfo. It’s the price we pay for excellent AoE dps.

Granades spam is in no way slow, especially compared to longbow. It also gets to where they were thrown at faster and longbow can be avoided be just general movement.

What is your point?

Yasha.5963:

neverborne.4736:

Bemused.3187:

And we never saw Jon Peters again.

Well he hasn’t made a peep on the forums since his post on this topic. Maybe he went and looked at it and his head exploded from what a kitten the Ranger class had become. RIP Jon.

ORRR maybe he’s working diligently on fixing it, AND re balancing our other weapons while he’s at it!!!

Or maybe he took a nap and forgot about the whole thing.

I think they have a few major issues that they are likely prioritizing over the annoying, but not gamebreaking SB issue.

Like 1 out of the 8 classes being useless in PvP and them just nerfing the one weapon that was keeping them holding on?

And they say they want to make this an eSport. lol

There is so much stupid in this thread is unbeleivable

Warriors are the best bar none for combo finishers. Banners are some of the best support in the game. Warriors can do much more then just dps and if you would rather bring a Ranger then a Warrior then you know nothing about either class.

It does not matter where the word Ranger originated from or means, Rangers have the worst ranged in the game now, even Guardians are better then them at range, and all the melee weapons are crap too. In this game everybody is supposed to be able to fight at Ranged and Melee, Ranger can do neither.

Think about this, Engineers can put out more AoE dps at the same range as us then we can on a single target, how does that make sense to any of you? They also have much better cc and support at any range too.

Durzlla.6295:

Kildari.2480:

I have some serious reserations about that video you posted. If you go 7min 6 seconds in and watch the life bar. He goes from 10% life to full instantly. I call hacking on this one unless someone can find some other excuse for it.

I’ve rolled that build in WVW and it’s just not that survivable naturally. I mean there’s a lot of things going for you if you control the map and 3 orbs. If you are conquering by that much it could very well mean that the other players at leveled 80 not actually 80 with maxed out gear like this person.

There are so many variables but in general that full life instantly is either a glitch. Some ability of another class I’ve never seen used as a complete heal on someone or is indeed a hack. There was no level up graphic so it wasn’t that.

I’d like to see this person try this in a dungeon. I really would. No way in hell they can take 4 or even 5 mobs on them in melee full time. They will be dead in roughly 20 seconds once block and all their heal shouts are on cooldown.

I’ve tried it.

You have to realize one MAJOR thing about that video, a lot of people don’t pay attention to the fact that he’s with like 4 other people, one of which was a guardian which shortly before (maybe afterward? i forget) you can see him running around with a TOME so i’m assuming it was a tome of courage and he used the aoe full heal ability.

Is he very survivable? Oh absolutely! no doubt in my mind, period, PERIOD, however is he as powerful/ OP as that video shows? Absolutely not, it’s not just him it’s a small strike force of people, they’re likely all on vent or mumble all working together. It’s really a beautiful illusion he painted for the people who aren’t very observant.

Erm its not a lie or a trick, he doesn’t hide the part portraits and shows them several times in the video running to the enemies.

But can you really see any other class doing that? Even Guardians would have a harder time.

I posted the video because the guy said Warriors were ‘crap for survivability’ and any CC will ruin your day everytime. Even with 4 team mates that video shows that it is not true. There are no dedicated healers in this game remember.

arcaneclarity.5283:

Yasha.5963:

Hang on, does it not in fact work like this: every time I attack there is a % chance for the buff on each spirit to go off. When the buff procs it affects everyone in range and then goes on a 3sec cd. Also length of the buffs are dependant on my buff duration stats (I know this is so for me at least, but i assume this applies to everyone who gets the buff).

I probably seem ignorant here arcane, its just that I cannot believe that what you say is true (I believe you, but I just can’t believe it if you know what I mean). I can’t believe that any dev would put in a skill like that, I mean the game has been in development for years.

Test it out yourself among your friends. I used to run a spirit pet build in BWE2 and quit after BWE3.

Ok just so I have this clear, the internal cooldown to proc the spirits is not calculated independently between players?

So if I hit something and get say the swiftness proc, then nobody else nearby will be able to get a buff from that spirit again for 3 seconds?

I think it is currently listed in the Ranger bug thread but I don’t know if it is an actual bug or just them being hopeful.