Guild Wars 2

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Chaith.8256:

Zirith.6429:

engies have and will always be the most op class for pvp, they have more sustain than warriors(turret spam on cd + toolbelt skill with blast finisher is 100 more hps than heal sig), take less damage than wars(more armor because rabid ammy and high prot uptime), can go invis, have a longer invuln than warriors, have a stronger version of dhuumfire, and have so many spammable condi spells.

I have to say that Engineers have always been the most OP profession for PvP until the massive power creep of June-July 2013. More Engineers are mastering the profession and realizing all there is to offer.

However, the tables really turned during the June-July 2013 legendary power creep. Rangers, Warriors, and Necros were pretty much overhauled.

Don’t forget that the meta Engineer builds can remove 6-8 conditions in a minute, whereas a warrior can remove about 30-40 when utilizing Lyssa and or Signet of Stamina under condi-burst conditions, and nullify all incoming conditions for 8 seconds.

Engies are much more counterable than Warriors are, right now. There’s not really much a soldier’s amulet hambow Warrior has to worry about.

Engies have the worst condition removal in the game – perhaps on par with Mesmers. Engineers still rely on kite-or-die strategies. There are definitely things you can do to shut down an Engineer.

Agree with you

Watching the ESL Cup. Very good teams are not playing with engi at the moment. So I do not agree with OP. Lets wait for the nerfs. Normally the Engineer is nerfed every patch. So wait and see the next meta

Flumek.9043:

Lupanic.6502:

You could also create a decap guard with Hammer| x\schield and decap points. Also hard to counter and able to decap every point in no time. Same issue

2x 15s knocbaks with ZERO animations/ instant
3s block on 16s CD
Condition immunity

The guard hammer has 1s animation, it was useful before the launch-stunbreak update. Its nowhere near as efective:
-decaps slower, if at all
-it can be killed 1v1 , but 2v1 it dies “fast enough”
-its a bit slow to walk back to far

With scepter+schield you can pushback+ immob very easy. Hammer prevent reenter the point = decap. Launch is slow but still usefull. Rest could be like for Bunker build and this means you are harder to kill as the engi

You could also create a decap guard with Hammer| x\schield and decap points. Also hard to counter and able to decap every point in no time. Same issue

Carighan.6758:

Lupanic.6502:

I guess because it is a counter for condition necros and other condition classes that used to be the main point holder. Now they will not be killed by this engi, but they cannot sit on the point and 1111111 and win.

Counters?

Preposterous!!!

You can kill this engi with a glass cannon build very easy. Much faster as a guardian.

For sure not in 5sec. But this is a bunker build and it means it should not be killed very fast.

Dojo.1867:

Lupanic.6502:

You can kill this engi alone but the point is decapped for sure.

Then what about this situation is not balanced.

I guess because it is a counter for condition necros and other condition classes that used to be the main point holder. Now they will not be killed by this engi, but they cannot sit on the point and 1111111 and win.

love this thread

You can kill this engi alone but the point is decapped for sure.

You should go for toolkit if you like to hold a point. This build is not good as a bunker because you die in focus damage very fast. You are killable in 1vs1. It is much weaker as the guardian builds are.

This build is only for decapping and it is like an old movie. In the end you die. You do not win a 1vs1 with this build you only survive and decap (or maybe fullcap) a point.

Qaelyn.7612:

The first post is very hard to understand.

I’m a new engineer and am curious exactly what sort of build is being discussed here, can anyone link one that’s relevant? Thanks.

Something like this:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcAQFAUlIqya3zyuF87IxoCdO0jCbf1K6R+tsjB-TkAA1CoIMSZkzIjRSjsGN+A

You are hard to kill by direct damage because of protection + armor + evades.
You have AP against condtions.

With rifle #4, FT #3 and Big Bomb you can decap even against 2 people.

with regenration + bombing all the time + trait + EG #5 >5xx hp per sec

It maybe works in wvw. But is this the best choice? If you run alone and someone with a good 1on1 build hits you. You will lose.

HGH is nice if you suprise people but you could also go for a SD build

Ptolomy.6984:

I think he means Entangle elite

+ black widow + muddy terrain

But this is only 1 condtion and easy to remove

ukuni.8745:

Lupanic.6502:

HGH condition is too weak at the moment because they moved IP to master. So you cannot have burning + might stacks from explosives trait line at the same time.

HGH power still exists but you are a free kill for every thief ( low defense + they steal your migth buffs and 2 shot you)

(sPvP point of view)

in SoloQ or teamQ I haven’t seen a HGH engi for a long time.

when you run HGH conditions you get over 3k condition damage with the right build, i might not be able to take IP but fire bomb and blow torch will do enough especially when my burning hits over 1k a tick just add in some bleeds and poisen and thats all the damage you need, as for HGH power you should literally be a thief’s nightmare at least i feel like i am when ever i fight a thief with power HGH, then again it really does come down to your build.

also i dont do teamQ or soloQ very often but when i do i use HGH zerker nader.

I played HGH build like Ostricheggs did. I play sPvP only. In sPvP Engineers are in team fights most of the time target #1. Your damage is even after all the nerfs fine. But your defense is bad. With HGH builds you have no extra dodge and no block. You have stablity and stealth for 5 sec. + blind. That’s is.
Sword/dagger thiefs with the trait that steals 2 boons and wins 8 of 10 fights against you. Other classes and because of the current meta have good condition removal. So you do not kill your opponent in 10sec. All this makes HGH less good as before in sPvP.

It is not bad, but not very good at the moment. If I look at the streams of the top player. Not one engi is running HGH at the moment. Ostricheggs, Teldo, Five Gauge all running different builds.

I guess spirit ranger is what you are looking for

HGH condition is too weak at the moment because they moved IP to master. So you cannot have burning + might stacks from explosives trait line at the same time.

HGH power still exists but you are a free kill for every thief ( low defense + they steal your migth buffs and 2 shot you)

(sPvP point of view)

in SoloQ or teamQ I haven’t seen a HGH engi for a long time.

Vuh.1328:

Lupanic.6502:

djooceboxblast.9876:

Oh the joy of being smashed in by 2 hammer warriors with zerker stance as a necro in a tournament game! The feeling of being kitten D while chained and able to do nothing about it!

Must be same feeling like beeing chain feared form 100 to 0 by only one necro.

I haven’t been chain feared from 100 to 0 since they nerfed dhumfire and bleeds and stopped walking int othe spectral wall all the time(altho the guardian wall still function like i’m a moth and it’s a lamp)

I play a condi engineer and some necros send the condis back to me. Fear me and gg. If they feel funny they corrupt my boons for much more fun.

And it is sooo hard not to walk into the spectral wall while beeing feared into the spectral wall direction :/

djooceboxblast.9876:

Lupanic.6502:

djooceboxblast.9876:

Oh the joy of being smashed in by 2 hammer warriors with zerker stance as a necro in a tournament game! The feeling of being kitten D while chained and able to do nothing about it!

Must be same feeling like beeing chain feared form 100 to 0 by only one necro.

If that happens to you a lot you must be really bad!
Also, try run a stun break or some condi cleanse – BOTH WORK!
My conditions dont work for 8-10 seconds, so your situation is a whole lot better.

My condi cleanse is not useable during fear, maybe yours do not know. Mine is not working like all skills but stun break.

And maybe I am really bad but you can also use stun break and teleport yourself away from your warrior friends.

djooceboxblast.9876:

Oh the joy of being smashed in by 2 hammer warriors with zerker stance as a necro in a tournament game! The feeling of being kitten D while chained and able to do nothing about it!

Must be same feeling like beeing chain feared form 100 to 0 by only one necro.

Replace AR with Elixir C with a 30sec timer. So we convert all conditions to buffs and are killable again.

Chat is usless. Ping the map for help. Works very often. I always look and try to help if someone ping the map.

sander.5830:

Lupanic.6502:

terrible video. You play a random match and talk about important stuff.

You tell the new players they have to leave the point if they are outnumbered or do not attack if the point is full of enemys but on the screen you are running with an orb…..
Show this situation and explain they have to leave. Show a new situation as an example if they have to push or support.

The last part is ok, you show on a screenshot what you mean. But you should recreate the first part of the video.

I think it’s rather easy to figure out what kind of situation’s i’m talking about.
As an example you see 3 enemy’s on a capture point of course you won’t go in.

Thanks for you’re ’’constructive’’ advice.

no offense but if a new player looking for advice click at your video and see a warrior taking an orb, and fighting againt a mesmer while he is talking what to do on a complete different map and in complete different situation. I do not think he gets any useful information.

hot join? Come on someone really as for a nerf because of hot join? are you kidding me?

terrible video. You play a random match and talk about important stuff.

You tell the new players they have to leave the point if they are outnumbered or do not attack if the point is full of enemys but on the screen you are running with an orb…..
Show this situation and explain they have to leave. Show a new situation as an example if they have to push or support.

The last part is ok, you show on a screenshot what you mean. But you should recreate the first part of the video.

Some changes like the bug fix for spirit healing or the attackspeed for pin down should come with this patch. It is not changing the world if you bring same small changes. Also you could bring small things for Ele so the QQ in this forum stops.

Played the map in soloQ yesterday. No bug for me. The nice guy warns me every time

Well done. +1. good suggestions and no call for a I win buton.!!

bhagwad.4281:

Lupanic.6502:

You do not need to decap far. Play defensive. Win mid and support close. gg

Assuming equal skill on both teams, then mid will be ours half the time and half the time theirs. And say we hold close 80% of the time. They still win on an average by 1/3rd points (again, assuming equal skill) since their close (our far) is never decapped. They get theirs for free.

Holding just close and mid is therefore not a dominant strategy (“dominant” as used in game theoretical terms)

Come on. If you fine at mid. Go decap close if it is for free or you know you win the 1on1 or you play a decap build.
If you lose mid rush far. I am fine with that.

What I mean is sometimes you have a hard time to win mid. Lets say you won a 4vs4 teamfight at mid and often 2 people rush far to decap it after the teamfight and the opponents repop and have easy fights with 5vs2 at far and 4 vs 2 at mid or things like that.

Do not try to decap far if you know you have to fight 1vsX (X>1)

best pvp at the moment

You do not need to decap far. Play defensive. Win mid and support close. gg

I guess you die in seconds against someone who apply conditions on you. You have no extra evades, 1 block and 2 condi removal every 15sec-20sec. Direct damage will not kill you for sure, but conditions eat you alive

Gratz to #1. I like the feedback. Make sense for me

Just watch https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/events/ESL-Week12-Get-in-there-my-son/first#post3508177 the ESL tournament. 1 Engi was playing in this tournament this build and they lost all games. He was able to decap but the other team know how to counter that engi. I guess it is more a lear to play issue

nicknamenick.2437:

Lupanic.6502:

nicknamenick.2437:

Lupanic.6502:

They should also nerf the radius for combustive shot. In sPvP if you fight for a spot you have to eat it for the full duration or the point is decaped. No way to avoid it.

They already did on stage 1.

Btw warr is not alone in this, engi can do this much easier or necro landing all his marks..

Also cumbustive shot damage is a joke, get of your point and fight and get back or something..

You dont stay on capture point if engi is bombing you to dead i hope..

240 radius (for 10points in explosives) with a delay of 1sec (or 3sec for BigBomb)before it explodes makes it easy to dodge and run around. The fire field is only 3 sec in place. Most important you still can stay on point.
For warrior 360 radius and 9 sec duration fire field on a 10 sec cooldown is not avoidable and you have to eat it.

Talking about spamming bombs/grenades on points. Does more compared to 1 combustive shot..

yes sure spamming. You see a big circle every time and you have space and time to avoid damage. If he hits you with a bomb than this is not the end of the world but you can evade run away most of the bombs (you can also push him back, root him and so he is not able to hit you with a bomb). If you are fighting against a warrior on the point you are burning the complete time because you can not evade or run away. It covers the complete point for 9 sec.

Please do not compare IP with Dhuumfire only. Compare Necro Torment vs Engis Torment and necros Terror with Engis fear and terror.

Balance is not so bad. I played Daoc for many years and the balance was never close to GW2. We are 5-6% away from real good balance. I like the ready up ideas.

nicknamenick.2437:

Lupanic.6502:

They should also nerf the radius for combustive shot. In sPvP if you fight for a spot you have to eat it for the full duration or the point is decaped. No way to avoid it.

They already did on stage 1.

Btw warr is not alone in this, engi can do this much easier or necro landing all his marks..

Also cumbustive shot damage is a joke, get of your point and fight and get back or something..

You dont stay on capture point if engi is bombing you to dead i hope..

240 radius (for 10points in explosives) with a delay of 1sec (or 3sec for BigBomb)before it explodes makes it easy to dodge and run around. The fire field is only 3 sec in place. Most important you still can stay on point.
For warrior 360 radius and 9 sec duration fire field on a 10 sec cooldown is not avoidable and you have to eat it.

I take vital shot and give you our Pistol #1 (engi)

They should also nerf the radius for combustive shot. In sPvP if you fight for a spot you have to eat it for the full duration or the point is decaped. No way to avoid it.

Wow Engi has a place in spvp meta. Nerf him to the ground!

I never use turrets so I do not care. B

well done. Nice video.

Yes, this is why skyhammer is so much fun. Thiefs/Engineers/Ranger all have funny abilities to be more important on skyhammer.

Love the map with my engi

Zoid.2568:

Aza.2105:

1. Will more stealth counterplay be given to the other seven classes?

Thanks Anet devs

Seven other classes? Thief, Mesmer and Engineer have stealth. Thief being the most op stealth class. So i’d say five classes. Ranger do however have stealth on a trait but that is 30 cd cooldown and only when you get ccd.

Nerf the stealth so it can’t be on longer than 6 seconds or so. It should be used to trick the enemy and also escape or attack.

Ranger has it also on longbow:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Hunter%27s_Shot

Wait until tomorrow. Devs talk today about runes. Maybe they will nerf perplexity.

Nova Stiker.8396:

Lupanic.6502:

Nova Stiker.8396:

Lupanic.6502:

It is already nerfed for engineers twice. Engineer has a very bad autoattack on pistol for bleeding (compare to necro). Engineer can not apply so many stacks of bleeding. Without IP our condition damage would be very bad.

You think so?
I see it overpowered and not needed, being hit with a Freeze Grenade and be poisoned, chilled and burned in a single hit is not okay.

As a main Elementalist, the issue with Elementalist that cannot go condition damage is simple because our conditions are assigned to an attunement, making 10 of our skills rather worthless.

What’s the issue with Engineers condition damage then?
In my eyes you guys got plenty thanks to grenades and bomb kit.

Come on, a Freeze Grenade does not apply poisen. So a freeze grenade applies chill and maybe burning on a 20 sec cooldown (and 10sec cooldown for IP). That is far away from overpowered.

With the Doom Sigil it does.

The problem isn’t the application of burning.
The problem is burning on ANY skill.

wow with that sigil every of your Ele skills applies poison. So you can apply burning AND posion as well. And you have burning precision as adept tier skill.

Nova Stiker.8396:

Lupanic.6502:

It is already nerfed for engineers twice. Engineer has a very bad autoattack on pistol for bleeding (compare to necro). Engineer can not apply so many stacks of bleeding. Without IP our condition damage would be very bad.

You think so?
I see it overpowered and not needed, being hit with a Freeze Grenade and be poisoned, chilled and burned in a single hit is not okay.

As a main Elementalist, the issue with Elementalist that cannot go condition damage is simple because our conditions are assigned to an attunement, making 10 of our skills rather worthless.

What’s the issue with Engineers condition damage then?
In my eyes you guys got plenty thanks to grenades and bomb kit.

Come on, a Freeze Grenade does not apply poisen. So a freeze grenade applies chill and maybe burning on a 20 sec cooldown (and 10sec cooldown for IP). That is far away from overpowered.

It is already nerfed for engineers twice. Engineer has a very bad autoattack on pistol for bleeding (compare to necro). Engineer can not apply so many stacks of bleeding. Without IP our condtion damage would be very bad.

In the teldo steam was a very nice fight against a MM necro. The necro did not see Teldo coming and run into the wrong direction like a monkey. Still won the fight.

So much minors
very skill
wow

Our worst healing skill. Random boon is a bad idea. Please give Elixir H protection only.