Guild Wars 2

posthumecaver.6473:

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vigorous persistence, enduring recovery, riposting shadows, energy sigil(double weap swap) -> insane endurance regen -> unwavering avoidance -> insane stab uptime

unrelenting assault also evades.

envoy of sustenance, durability rune, facet of nature -> insane boon uptime including resistance, protection and stability(best defensive boons)

versed in stone 45sec CD -> even less damage taken

you missed shield(4) 2k heal from calculation.

edit: no idea how did ‘kitten ’ /45 seconds/ end up kitten’d

1. scrapper’s protection uptime and hammer defenses drasticly lovered.
2. Smoke Scale, Brisstleback damage heavily nerfed && druid mobility toned down
3. ele mobility and regen/healing share toned down slightly
4. revenant shield(5)’s healing lovered
5. warrior’s sustain getting buffed by getting more healing sources
6. the amount of overall passively proccing traits, rune-effects gutted
7. quickness not effecting rez speed

extra: PvP balance separated from the rest gamemodes
extra2: MMR reset
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nvm i’m dreaming

Arutha.9874:

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are you serious?….

MadVisions.4529:

1. MMR based MM-system

i imagine this obviously with visible, countable, digitally measurable MMR appealed to your Account.

DECIDE!

1. division && pips based MM-system
2. MMR based MM-system

both at the same time wont work, it gonna handycap people with higher skill level.

i hope fix comes with next season. AT THE LATEST

edit:

Why do both options involve a minion-master system?

MatchMaking. hope it makes sense now for the rest of the trolls and goofs.

Morwath.9817:

feature.

this

pre juni patch >>> pre HoT >>> now

profession design is out of control…

MadVisions.4529:

i’ve been never been praying so hard for NCSoft selling the game.

mentality of a company never/rarely changes and Anet was like this since ages. i’ve given up all hope already.
i remember S2 selling HoN. it did wonders to the game.

if anet would make a change like this instead of toning down powercreep, it would be the last straw for me and make me quit the game. please stop making horrible feedback like this before someone out there takes it seriously.

eureeka.5368:

Can I have your stuff? 1st

bad question.
You can’t!

Qugi.2653:

but too much work.

HOW????
how is it even much work to make reasonable decisions?
how do you think that developping content that’s tested on Moose and golems going to work out in actual gameplay?
how do you think is BALANCING much work for a company with incomes that can afford 400k pvp marketing ???
how do you think that it would take more than 3days to level nowdays powercreep to a more stable state for ~5 persons who actually have a good understanding of the game?
how do you think that it’s ‘OK’ that months of beta testing and all the pre season time was enough to release ~ONE “HOT” fix that only effects some of the most broken stuff the game ever saw.
how do you think that the amount of feedback on traits, skills and comps was not enough?

(EDIT: please notice, that not only pvp is suffering! pve and wvw are in theyr darkest days aswell catch(RaidException e){};)

I can’t take this game or company seriously anymore. The quality of development decisions and customer service came to the lowest level i’ve ever experienced in my life be it compared to any other Developper companys or the pub next to my apartment.
Things are out of hand.

TheOneWhoSighs.7513:

They literally just did a fix.
Chill.

corrected your quote.

this was everything but ‘HOT’…
Edit: this fix does not solve the majority of problems

- this meta bridges the difference between a good player and a mediocre player.
- specs with unmatched sustain and top damage output are flawed and bad design, not to mention that most of them now are paired with over decent mobility.
- specs with ridiculous damage should never have high enough healing coefficent to fully heal self after getting close to death with tiny cooldowns.
- players while unable to take damage should NOT deal damage also.
- the ability to have more invulnerable uptime than vulnerable is bad design and should never happen in any game.
- the protection and boon uptime paired with never seen healing tossed around is bad design and not healthy for gw2pvp
- passive activated traits and abilitys are bad design and are unhelthy for skillful play in any shapes.
- defensive abilitys should NEVER have bigger damage coefficents than offensive ones.
- getting back up a downed ally should NEWER be easyer then for the opponent to finish.
- high risk builds should have ANY reward if not even high.
- Noone should EVER think on any serious competition on ANY company without PvP balance separated from the rest gamemodes.
- if the majority of the playerbase is unsatisfied and the frustration is tactile, then inmediate communication is required and rather fast changes.
- list goes on…

i’ve been never been praying so hard for NCSoft selling the game.

gonna make some clipps. wont comment on them though that’s 100%

MadVisions.4529:

Radiant Revival (Herald Major trait): uppon rezing a downed ally, both of you gain 2sec of resistance.
reasoning:
this trait at it’s current state is broken. not negates all down cleave it adds it up as a heal effect. revs can quickness rez already. resistance is revenant themed so it would fit to rev’s rez trait. also it gonna stay a more than viable choice

close enough! i’m pleased with these changes. well done.

alain.1659:

I know it is a minor problem but please, it is not diamond skin “ELE” but it is diamond skin “TEMPEST”. The title of the post is misguiding.

And yes, tempests tanking potential is silly, boring, uncreative and lacks the imaginative aspects of a good developer.

mate…. Eles are one of the BEST if not THE best targets in a teamfight right now. Not sure what you are talking about…..

my bet:
map: Legacy
Team: u are not premade
Enemy: at least 3 sustain
situation: enemy druid pushes faar contests your home, you dont push and can’t kill ele + bunker mes on mid till they even the fight. One of you decides to plus 1 home and meenages to kill the druid after some time, meanwhile you lose the outnumbered fight @ mid so it’s 2v1 cap -> this continues till 330 vs 140 points for the enemy team when the bunker mes suddenly leaves mid fight with a portal left behind. You spam the chat with capslock to follow that motherFKer before they blow up your Lord, thankfully at least 2 of your teammates can speak english so they defend, sadly it’s not enough becouse 3years in the game 4, 5 man push cannot be defended.

edit: in this bunkery meta you cannot afford to lose caps randomly. you cannot go on a magical jurney from mid for 10seconds tunnelvisioning the enemy revenant, becouse you get insta decapped and your 5mins fight for mid worths noothing from now on. on point fights are xtremely boring and long especially on legacy. usually you could beat bunkery stuff with outrotations but this is not the case anymore due to druid ele and mes with blink/portal mobility is insane compared to it’s effectiveness.

as an s/d thief main i say this would be more broken than anybody can imagine.

Loop.8106:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Typical L2P post.

This game is a team game. 1v1 you have counters. Deal. With. It.

Its amazing how you never come with anything constructive to a post. Ever.

1. he is right though. this is intended. even gw1 was paper-scissors not to mention gw2.
2. why would you EVER solo rotate into a diamond skin ele as a condi player???? it makes no sense. on the other hand if you have a buddy to dropp the ele <90% the ele just blows up.
3. imo people should complayn more about marauder scrapper beating all power oriented dps classes 10-0 while taking close to zero damage rather than an anti condi traited support spec sustaining a condi spec? what is wrong with you?

can you bump this with the info?: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/some-bugs-found-while-PvP-ques/first#post5832605

reed through this thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/My-Opinion-After-Today-s-Pro-League/first

please notice that people playing this game on the highest level are speeking up consistently against the flawes of this metagame. if you watch streams of some of these players you can hear a lot of complaynment about all the stuff that has been changed in expansion.

Yashuoa.9527:

What does the bug do?

body is located away from the displayed downed target on server side so even if you land a perfect stomp it gets recognized as ‘out of range’ -> noothing happens.
this is gets even worse considering that resurrecting is NOT bugged in this state, so permaquickness metabuilds easily outheal the cleave, not to mention Radiant Revival(herald major trait) that should have been already hotfixed imo.

Edit: there is also a bug that appears when you are quickness or slowness stomping somebody and the effects do not last for the entire duration. there animation and stomping speed gets bugged and use the longer timer.

no worrys mate! they gonna deal with it surely after fixing the best gamemode: Stronghold! can’t wait for dropping all the existing wells on my little NPCs :’), mby gonna thorw around some air immobs on enemys too to spice things up.
Luckily MM-system does not give “No Valid Path” to smash all the emerald soloQers with my 4 buddys playing the same broken shlt i do)))))))))

Forestgreen.7981:

Stronghold at the moment is disabled.

should stay like this.

#1: more people queing conquest (i’d rater have soloQ instad of stronghold anytime)
#2: gamemode is a failure (personal openion)
#3: as you stated this gamemode causes even more balance issues

6months before:

dear devs. why do you ignore/not use many of the brilliant stuff you invented in gw1??
UI customization, Build templates, Hard mode dungeons(yasss PvE), andy many more
they are good and many people are asking for them. They are like lost treasures in your OWN garden, lets dig ‘em out!
hell most of the pvp modes could be ported and the whole community would be happy for ever!
i know everyone got a little genius working inside with many many ideas, but what’s good is good… why thorw it away?

you came up with stronghold, you have many hours of hard work in it… but imo it gonna fall out of your hands. you are struggling to balance conquest, now you feel you can handle to balance a gamemode with this big complexity that stronghold has along the conquest stuff. I really hope you gonna succeed and got all the good wishes, but i cant really understand. if you want gvg why dont go with something like in gw1? it was so simple, original and awesome (and also your work).

naphack.9346:

S/D Thief (As there is hardly any thieves in the meta, this build will be able to out-rotate anything the opponents can field)

you need expansion to make this work.

people complain about passive traits → juni patch allows+intruduces more passive traits and invulnerabilitys → ppl rant about it → hot introduces newer seen amount of invulns and defenses.
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Anet should hire a compatible PvP balance group. Imo a lot of players who actually mastered classes and care about the game would go the job even for some gems…

+1

MadVisions.4529:

Revenant:

Radiant Revival (Herald Major trait): uppon rezing a downed ally, both of you gain 2sec of resistance.
reasoning:
this trait at it’s current state is broken. not negates all down cleave it adds it up as a heal effect. revs can quickness rez already. resistance is revenant themed so it would fit to rev’s rez trait. also it gonna stay a more than viable choice

Firebird.8324:

you make money doing pvp too

funny you

Leohart.4610:

Pics or it didn’t happen

this.

(+ smells like posting on forum to mby not get banned for MMR tanking)

Warlord.9074:

Warrior is more useful than thief. Every time I have a thief on my time I have lost. Some of the biggest losses were 2 thief. Just no.

ppl like you have a negative mental pressure on your team when judging thieves.
Can’t hate anything more than seeing “oh no we got thif wi lost ze Gáme! reroll ASAP!!!”

ps: http://i.imgur.com/7Jv2zlD.jpg

dank.3680:

I prefer channeled vigor though.

can be interrupted. trust me i played with it a lot, it’s not that rewarding as withdraw

withdraw is itself an evade, i use it many times for positioning or evading stuff to spare endurance even if close to full.

Nocta.5274:

The main issue I have with S/D, especially with Dash, is the lack of damage is really noticeable. You’re the most mobile and evading build in the game, but you hit like a wet noodle.

you have decent damage if done propely and a lot of CC. s/d requires more positioning than any build and dash is perfect for this.
+w/o dash you dropp your 100% 1v1 win potential vs. necros.

s/d + SB

DA: mid, mid, mid
Trickery: down, up, mid
Daredev: up, mid, mid

withdraw + new elite

Lordrosicky.5813:

This game has lost the little skill it had left imo. I’ll play and have fun. But this is the end of any competitive play this game had left. There is no skill at all. For example, one auto attack from an engineer can inflict around 8 stacks of bleed and 4 burns and other condis. Where is the skill and counter play to this? The only way to avoid damage reliably is to never get hit. Which is not viable because auto attacks happen all the time. Auto attacks doing 12k are not a good thing

Lordrosicky.5813:

Helseth is mediocre at best. Honestly having played vs all these people he is one of the worst of all the “esports” tryhards. People like ROM and Fraelina are much much better than him. They are capable of carrying games whereas helseth is honestly worse than a ton of wvwers I have fought against.

Lordrosicky.5813:

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Mesmer was already brokenly good pre patch as a well played mesmer/thief team would beat anything else with ease.
Mesmer and thieves had their fun for the last 3 years. Give them a few years of not being highly sought after in pvp. Really….

Lordrosicky.5813:

Proboably a reason this games pvp never took off as a competitive game is to do ei5h stealth. You are right there is no counter play. I think any aoe that hits a stealthed player should of revealed them. Either way its too late now. The games mechanics are pretty well set and i cant see this game becoming a serious competitive game

Lordrosicky.5813:

Thief is still op. Those saying not just used to get even more carried than currently by the class. So their skill level is lower than their mmr. As in their mmr should be lower based on their skill, so if thief goes from very op to just op then they think its hard.

Thief is still way more op than mesmer for example. Mesmer is just judged by lower standards than thief. Thieves expect to be op. Most other classes base their balance expectations around being balanced.

Thief is second only to ele in terms of opness

Ohoni.6057:

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Ohoni.6057:

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congratulations, now everyone knows your openion! which was already explained in the first 2k rows you wrote!

now you can shut the kitten up and make this post unbumped for a long time kkthx.
this also goes to everyone who is still arguing with this person. like me!
(should be last post here)

yep! ruby this faar.

progression is kinda sruggling to people refusing to play/reporting me for playing thief. ’can only say to theese people to go ahead and suck out!

+ posibly remove HoT pets from pvp till they are balanced

+nerf damage on engi hammer or make sure it does not have evade + block + reflect too …

Revenant:

Radiant Revival (Herald Major trait): uppon rezing a downed ally, both of you gain 2sec of resistance.
reasoning:
this trait at it’s current state is broken. not negates all down cleave it adds it up as a heal effect. revs can quickness rez already. resistance is revenant themed so it would fit to rev’s rez trait. also it gonna stay a more than viable choice

Crystal Hibernation (Shield #5 ability): remove heal effect. can move while channeling
reasoning:
with traited shooting bastion revs can heal more any class could pressure in 1v1 situation. Please notice that this skill can NOT be interrupted by skills like traited Necro staff 5 or “Fear Me!” while having stab or resistance. with this change the block is just as good as warrior’s shield defense wich is more than balanced.

Coalescence of Ruin (Hammer #2 ability): cooldown icresed to 6seconds
reasoning:
hard hitting long range abilitys should not have this little CD. Hell at this state this skill isn’t even worth to stow weapon.

Mesmer:

Well of Recall(Chronomancer utility): no longer gives Alacrity after it ends. removes chill, cripple, immobilized, torment conditions on allyes each pulse.
reasoning:
perma alacrity is not healthy for the game. it promotes skill spaming and makes wasting cooldowns on noothing forgiven. Ala uptime should be gut at a place where it does not effect regular shater or condi builds. (ability still remains more viable than the majority of utility spells cross’ the game)

Well of Precognition(Chronomancer utility): no longer effect downed players.
reasoning:
makes preventing a rez inposible.

Warrior:

Adrenal Health(Defense Minor trait): no longer heals over time. Heals for 100 for each point of adrenaline spent.
reasoning:
should give wariors some more survivability. Imo still not enough to return to the meta though

Guardian:

True Shot(Longbow #2 ability): cooldown incresed to 8 seconds.
reasoning:
hard hitting long range abilitys should not have this little CD. Hell at this state this skill isn’t even worth to stow weapon.

this can wait a bit:
Engineer:

Scrapper healing with this much of natural sustain + protection uptime is out of hand

Necro:

chill damage should be lovered.

BigCountry.6490:

Double Condi Rev?
Bunker Mesmer?
Scrapper?

These classes dont take skill nor do they take any rotation knowledge. A sentinel mesmer can 3v1 on point for 30+ seconds?

You removed minstrels amulet and all these other things to balance the game and keep it fair, yet the game is more broken than it ever has been. Theres no punishment in this game, if you waste a cooldown you can get away with it which gives terrible players even more room for error. Theres 0 counterplay to condi revs and bunker mesmers…..

wanted to make thread about this but u where faster.

Ohoni.6057:

Now what would be a valid alternative is if you could earn Ascension Backpiece via other activity tracks that don’t involve the PvP Leagues, but that is not currently on the table, so instead I now have to spend a great deal of my time in game HATING what I am doing. GG ANet.

are you srs??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVqWbxtXf2w

not at all. if you are not good enough pls forget about it. we finally have a leaderboard which favors good players over bad farmers. pls never EVER complain about ‘oh no i’m stuck in xxx tier and i can’t do anything about it’ that is how it supposed to work. after a while people’s ranks and tiers gonna be set by they performance in game. good players up bad players down (this gonna take some time considering most players are still in #I and #II). in a competitive environment as soon people are reaching the MMR of theyr own skill level, they SHOULD strougle with progressing! and only getting to higher ranking with adwancing personal || teamwork capabilitys.

we waited long for a system similar to this. pls STOP making suggestions for progression based changes, becouse and i gonna use this word seriously: stupid.

MadVisions.4529:

guardians still have theyr field CC going invisible all over the place (even though it was fixed?? <- not really).

my bad!
graphics options/Effects LOD was checked in. might have coused this issue.

-1. keep in mind that not only theef can otput poison stacks.
also 56 stacks of poison is more likely a PVE prespective.

use vamp or durability.
(imo vamp is overall better due to tripple leech it gives more effective survivability and increses DMG output highly)

noticed some asura characters in ranked with enabled standard modells.
http://i.imgur.com/s0v15NO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/l6r2uFi.jpg (yes that little rat is smaler than my pinky and got unseeable animations)

guardians still have theyr field CC going invisible all over the place (even though it was fixed?? <- not really).

Several times downed ppl cannot be finished, couse’ they are placed away from the displayed body server side. (long term issue but even more frustrating due to insane rez powers)

slowness/quickness stomping speed bug.

srsly… i left pvp to make BOLT after you butchered all the classes i loved to play. then after i decided to craft ZAP with own hands i have to be disappointed even more.

adding 80 pieces of expensive only 1/day craftable materials to the progress was in itself a terrible idea in my openion, but NP!! i got them now! hurray!! now after i thought everything is set and i can craft the kitten legendary it happed that i need 11 more one per day items in charged quartz!! WONDERFUL!! and this can’t even be made by your guild mates for you! EVEN MORE WONDERFUL!

i don’t really know what to say… No pvp balance, another grind leaderboards farmed by premades 0-24… running simulator wvw maps where are close to zero fights which are laggy as hell… i have to be disappointed even in PVE…. not only the huge 3 layer maze maps but this kitten precursor crafting system….. it seems that the only thing you have done right is raids so far. congrats! not sure how you wanna stay profitable

NinjaWursti.9627:

If it would be something like; win=2pips, lose=-1pip, it would be a lot friendlier OR if you would just be clear about those outmatched specifics.

NEVER EVER dare anyone suggest something like this!! i double dare you!!!!

I’m thief + war main. i have to play 4 classes ?

Patchi.9061:

BALANCE THIS FREAKING GAME ALREADY.

+1

Harvey.7820:

Anet’s behavior in lack of communication, willingness to balance, and general disregard for creating a more diverse PvP meta will be their downfall. The game’s PvP has only gotten progressively worse and worse.

we should highlight this somehow. summs up everything