Guild Wars 2

dragonkain.3984:

Clueless balancing team that is providing community with tiny, lazy balance patches/fixes.

This is a problem since eternity (FYI)
EDIT: not to mention that they are working brutally slow compared to the efectiveness/quality of theyr work.

Reaper Alim.4176:

ANet does this intentionally to keep the pros that are actually kitten players happy and playing their game. You just have to open your eyes and see that’s all ANet can do at this point.

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99% of the “pros” are unsatisfyed by the ladder systeam and MM overall, not to mention that they are not really"playing" theyr game as frequent as they used to, or left the game alltogether.

witcher.3197:

GW1 did it and it made too much sense. Won’t happen.

It actually saddens me how true this is…..
RIP common sense

well they gonna need something after ESL-proleague getting scrapped.

Agemnon.4608:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPxSe0BOX54

video is really laggy but i forced myself to watch it. I still can see very little thinking behind your moves.
You need to improve in map presence. I mean you apply really low pressure to the enemy and you make no surprise bursts at engageing. Also try to use your stealth offensively overall.
Second thing is a bit harder. You need to keep in mind what’s the enemy’s position on the map. Howmany/what classes are on what nodes and where they rotate. This makes your rotations and decaps much cleaner. There should be no “changed my mind” situations if you are half way to an objective.

paShadoWn.5723:

I am a true Veteran of HotS (2400 games); my main is Zeratul; his basic ability is Blink on pretty short cooldown. I still die like a fly when i screw position.

blahblah

what you say basicly: you play one of the most sqishyest classes of HotS (something like pre HoT dp thif) and you die if you port into a kitten.
??? i dont see how is this relevant in terms of your suggestion.

paShadoWn.5723:

Guard teleports are for some reason targeted or conditional, necro wurm can be killed and ghostwalk is very long cd, war haves some pretty short jump, rev and engi i think have nothing at all.

these classes have brutally tanky meta specs in gw2 with many on demand mitigations.
go give brusiers mobility and positioning tools and welcome the new DD-eles. Splended idea. Guess pvp isnt forgiving enough in it’s state, we have to dumb it down even more. I dont really get how ppl like you can even come up with suggestions like this, not that you would post it on the forums.

EDIT: also LMAO at reve not having enough escape moves :’DDDDD

paShadoWn.5723:

Hmm… the guy is called MadVisions which exposes him as Cthulhu cultist. Everyone not noob knows that tentacle dudes spread cancer. Then he says some irrelevant gameplay stuff change will stop the rotting of community, which had started because of some free to play dude bringing the infection from other free to play game which are all cesspools. Nice absence of logic here…

not sure if your comment makes sense

well the rotting is unlikely to stop but i know numerous players of each skill level who did quit sPvP becouse of these design failures or some other ingame problems
If i’d make a statistic from my friend list’s pvp-er population it would probably show that it gonna be an empty pile at ~end of summer.

BlackBeard.2873:

Chrono.6928:

I like counterplay but I think this game needs more of it. For instance ele and scrapper obviously counterplay projectiles, but what counterplays scrapper? Answer isn’t as obvious.

Thief counter plays ele sure enough, but ele sticks with team fights which most thieves don’t do well in, thus counter negated.

I don’t think he was talking about rock/paper/scissors class balance, but instead class mechanics that lack counterplay. These include:

- Invulnerabilities
- Instant burst that has no tell
- Instant teleports that ignore LOS, esp on a low cooldown
- Instant CC
- Auto-procs, especially those that damage and CC, although there are too many defensives on a short CD as well
- Abilities that do tons of damage while also evading

All of these mechanics are terrible for the game, and are cheesy to fight against. As the game has power-crept like crazy, every class has at least SOME of these “unfair” mechanics in order to be viable. The worst part is, that a lot of these mechanics make fights even less tactical. Oh well, it still kinda fun in spurts.

the less counterplay your build’s moves have the optimal it is in gw2.
could we get rid of some game mechanics bypassing broken designs please? At this point i can’t name a class which isn’t full of these, so you can choose where to start. Every step in this matter would decrese the rotting of the pvp community.

If you need help in the process send me an e-mal.

Cheers and i wish you greate success!

Ross Biddle.2367:

paShadoWn.5723:

Compare to Sigil of Strength: 1 sec, 60% as to 2 sec, 50% and a stack of might buffs your dmg for more than 1%.

But does it buff everybody elses?

Not saying not to buff it but, vuln on a target increases damage from all incoming sources. Buffing your own might only increases your own outgoing damage.

he’s crying to buff it couse he can’t cover his warrior condibomb well enough.

Jorah.2389:

3) You gonna say, kitten this, this will increase queue times.

better pvp experience → less people leave, more people come, some come back. → bigger population → shorter que times

Nighthawk.4687:

And that’s how it should be. Legendary should be reserved for ESL players, twitch streamers, and players who really devote themselves to studying the game and actively trying to make themselves a better player.

:’D
it makes me wonder how many people are still living in this dream. Well at least ANet is succeding at theyr goal it seems.

cheese.4739:

1) Add more unblockable skills and traits.

i’ve been told that every drip of power creep kills a baby elephant in Africa :’(

There is allways room to improve

I’d suggest to change the style of the music you use in the future ^^

what about no downstate all together in sPvP?

Should be an easy fix, like midair immob! wait what?!

1. your reactions seem a bit slow and your gameplay feels slow overall. you need to improve that a lot for thief play. Feels like you play with a controller or something
2. if you decide to decap use resources to reach the node faster. Like at ~2:15 you had withdraw, shadowstep, signet, bunch of init. getting there faster means you can gank sooner.
3. dont guard points. There are really limited situations where you want to 1v1 for a short duration. example: after you decided to fullcap home at ~2:50 you should leave and help somewhere else.
4. better to put the enemy behind than teamfight! Example: after the cap i mentioned above you should have immidiately gone far couse gua loses to engi on paper and it’s a nice opportunity to cause 4v5 and start the snowball.
5. You stand around doing nothing too much. Dont be afraied to folow and autohit your target nor be afraied to use your cooldowns. You used every utility only 2 times in the whole match.

PS i wish i had a monitor the size of yours

#TopPriority #UHurtMyFeelings #ICan’tTakeThisAnymore #WordsHurtMoreThanFists
#I’mNotConfidentEnough

Period

there could be a feature to clear chat like /clear that resets chat so you can get rid of gold seller spam and unwanted comments.
Thisway if someone goes nuts on you and writes a novel before you block him you could just /clear after.
Everyone happy.

Starbreaker.6507:

Was there some other post you floated your ideas to save sPvP?

Because I’m not seeing any in that post.

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read through post history if you are that intrested
ty 4 constructive and on point comment tho

Less and Less people are playing PvP at this point. 80% of people who i regularly talk’d to are planning to quit or already did so.
Pop problems where noticable since ever. You knew 20% of the players by name on your level and qued into them over and over.
Why are you at a lowpoint right now?

1. the gameplay changed dramatically in a bad way. I know noone who wouldn’t prefer before juni or even preHoT game experience. This is the numerouno reason why people leave, the pvp lacks fun.

what keeps people still in?

1. pvp’ers —> reach legend && quit season
2. others -> get backpack achivement && quit season

and belive me achieving these isn’t even that fun it could be due to #1above. Nor are these some long term goals or something.

People got no goals to reach. Getting legend got zero prestige nor getting the wings.

Competitive minded people got ZERO reason to play this game. Even the Team-Leaderboard is 100% pugfarm casual kitten. Pro league is poorly organized, teams got zero motivation to play after losing 1-2 matchups. ~50% of pro league players officially admitted that they would leave the game in case of no monney.

This leads to low population, which leads to the ones who still like to play this mess have 10minutes que in ruby, which leads to less players-> repeate.
I’d be surprised if more than 1k people where playing at the same time.
At this point you spend more time waiting for a match to start than you actually play. That’s kitten up. You can have the best MM-system in the universe, even that wont solve low-population q time.

The changes ANet is going to do matters little now. Who is going to buy gemstore outfits if people are about to quit? You dont pay for something that you posibly wont see after 2more weeks. Less poeple->smaller community->less fun->more quit->repeate.

I’m done with giving you ideas, fixing these problems with whatever method is up to you.

No, but srsly when will we see some of these?

Evan Lesh.3295:

Interest in polls for PvP is noted.

Evan posted this a month ago. I know ANet is not rushing anything besides HoT realease, but the pvp community is starwed for these polls.

period

Something like: “Should skyhammer/SP-watch move to ranked” as first poll can be deduced from ANet-philosophy.
Please do not commit that or dodge major sPvP questions in general.

Sry for the misdirecting in the title, Here’s a fancy llama

run this: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Impacting_Disruption
you gonna notice a reasonable DPS increase.

also running Bountiful Theft && channeled vigor would be a greate idea.

BrotherBelial.3094:

Out dated? I’d say straight up lies.

Ragmon.6350:

Out right lies if you ask me.

Don’t say that

I doubt it’s intentional. They should update the Homepage regardless tho.

yep. ISO SAB-auras, bee and chak auras in pvp along with Ghostly and all upcomming ones.

Standard modells should bypass the effect. thats it GG everyone happy.

There are some outdated informations on the official homepage that should be changed(imo). The game changed a lot but the writeing that potential new players read first are still 3years old.

like:
“Every profession in Guild Wars 2 excels at combat, without exception. Because each profession is so versatile and has such a wide range of skills and powers, it doesn’t matter what mix of professions are on the battlefield”

“All characters are on even footing in both kinds of competitive play”

“New and casual players can easily hop into an ongoing match and start playing right away without worrying about setting up a team. Competitive players looking for more organized play can try out tournament mode”

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“In Player vs. Player (PvP) matches, small teams of players compete to eliminate each other and capture strategic objectives on a map. In one match, players must battle over a ruined pirate ship, while in another match they may have to destroy an enemy siege weapon.”

there should be more.

let me clarify something… You may not realise that your main problem is not that this build is evading a lot, the problem is that it is dealing high damage with it. And yes something like that is broken by design. Stuff should not apply pressure with being defensive. We got more of this bullcrp with HoT, like engi hammer block etc…

psizone.8437:

I had a match just before posting this in which we had a power Thief and a Mace/Shield Warrior try to deal with one and could not get a CC ability to hit this evade Thief

too bad

Edit: sry i was mby a bit rough, but really. what should i say? if 3 of you can’t CC-lock a d/d thief then there are problems. Try asking a guildmate to practice rupting DB animation.

guess you are talking about some d/d condi build. in case:

There is no break in their evade frames so no room to attack at all, let alone stun them.

NOT true

it is incredibly weak against CC especially Immob, kiting and LoS. If your team got a power thief the enemy’s condi-d/d player should be rendered to uselessness.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

what maps are suitable for 3 far 2 home openings ?

what professions are suitable for such openings ?

sorry what?
not sure you thought through your question.
if you push then several things can happen. If enemy defends you lose faar and mid, if enemy pushes too and neither side decides to defend you lose home and mid. If pushing teams collide at beach you lose faar and mid.

leman.7682:

I’m pretty amazed with the marketing-for-living guy who said PL is cheap marketing. You are assuming that info about PL reaches potential clients – it doesn’t. It only reaches a handful of dedicated players who like to torture themselves with the weekly streams of well-known quality (or lack thereof). GW2 PvP is complete niche and the money isn’t marketing because it does not create any additional demand.

Somewhere in an other topic i posted my thoughts on this, let me cooment it here.

MadVisions.4529:

Jaxom.7310:

i think they need to focus on making the mode extremely fun 1st, then they can worry about esports.

make it fun
-> more players pvp since its… fun
-> better population means better Q times
-> better Q (and more people) means more people will try to organize as teams
-> more teams means more competition in the top tourneys
-> more competition + more people can increase the drive for people to actually watch the matches
-> more people watching matches means we can start to think of esports again

true as hell from player perspective. I’m on the same openion
However having an isolated PvP tourney for this amount of monney is totally enough from ANet perspective. Running this gives them the right to use the ‘top teams compete in ESL’-like term in the ADs they run on webpages or make it appear in reviews only scratching the surface of the game. And that is exactly most of the newcommers see before getting the game.

I totally share your views though.
Especially wow 2k is much? wonder what would people think after realising that the ESL-stream is viewerbotted to ~200% on minimum.

Jaxom.7310:

i think they need to focus on making the mode extremely fun 1st, then they can worry about esports.

make it fun
-> more players pvp since its… fun
-> better population means better Q times
-> better Q (and more people) means more people will try to organize as teams
-> more teams means more competition in the top tourneys
-> more competition + more people can increase the drive for people to actually watch the matches
-> more people watching matches means we can start to think of esports again

true as hell from player perspective. I’m on the same openion
However having an isolated PvP tourney for this amount of monney is totally enough from ANet perspective. Running this gives them the right to use the ‘top teams compete in ESL’-like term in the ADs they run on webpages or make it appear in reviews only scratching the surface of the game. And that is exactly most of the newcommers see before getting the game.

Chaith.8256:

Edit:. I wasn’t talking about slowing APM, more like having longer, more stale fights.

ye sry, misunderstood you there.

On the serious side i can imagine that ANet wants new players to start in lower tier servers with lower populations so they dont insta leave wvw after experiencing the 10sec skill lag and hardcore blobbing, 0-24 drama etc…

Decent coding is decent.
Guess it’s hard call staticDecresePop(transferingPlayer.getHomeServer()); in the player transfering function before someone moves on.

Chaith.8256:

It’s not that the skill floor or ceiling have been seriously changed, what’s happened in this last year is that we’ve just gotten more of everything, so it takes longer to bait out cooldowns and combat has been slowed down quite a bit.

By no means would i call this slower. As you indicated we got more from everything, that means more ‘everything’ is casted in the time period.
Having to count on more CDs is harder indeed, but is not necessarily changing the skill level to be Higher. We actually have “more everything” to a level where you can get away with multiple stupid mistakes without punisment, couse if you wasted something then you can just smash another button and it’s ‘K’, then maybe use a kite-puzle as before. Like…. ESL is full with holder-Brusier comps where engis dodgeroll mid elixir-s cast reflect when war switched to mace and all that stupid stuff w/o even thinking about the outcome. I mean… You are in one of the most successful teams ever, you should know how it the game works now.
Think about it… Other games got theyr cheezy forgiving heros/champions/builds and they are good to roll ppl with in pugs, but they see little play in pro scene couse other specs that require more skill and tactics are overperforming in in a good player’s hand. This is not the case in GW. The “ESL-meta” is to play the most forgiving cheese kitten couse that’s the most effective and has the least counterplay. And the same is carryed to the casual/pug scene aswell.
My 5 cents…

play wvw (you can go with blob. use shortbow 4 to tag ppl) → earn tokens → buy gear from tokens and minimal gold @ wvw armorsmith/weaposmith → unlock daredevil from wvw hero point coins.
there are 2k tutorials and builds all around the internet. watch some vids decide what playstyle you want then try to have fun.

MethaneGas.8357:

but people aren’t using it because of the reflects, I assume (similar reason so DH not being used as much). Otherwise – yes – you’d see 1200 ranged revenants.

I’d clarify things here. Hammer is unused couse it loses to thief and staff version of reve under focus.
Projectal hate is not that big of a deal considering only your autohit is a projectile and #2got 4sec CD with that amont of damage.

https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Alliance_Battles

use our lovely gw1 inventions!!
/said no gw2 dev ever

Rym.1469:

2500 is pretty high and unexpected number. Last week it was barely 1k.

it gets viewerbotted. what do you expect?

Fluffball.8307:

I work in marketing for a living. A few years ago I put together an online advertising campaign that cost over 2 million dollars in ad space that the overwhelming majority of viewers ignored (any click through is a good result and the clients spend ludicrous amounts of money, so the company deemed it a good result.)

Pro league is cheap advertising. Really, really, really cheap.

^^ should be correct
i wonder how cheap would be a well designed product if we start from this stae
90% of the posts are rants or dissatisfaction or bashing ANet. That does not make a good AD ^^.
Mby it’s just me but i hop on the forums and read some before i hop on a new game

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

1 seconds duration
60 seconds recharge

is fine and balanced.

easily negated by EITHER stability or resistance

why remove ?

Exactly this mentality is why passives gonna be untouched for e v e r.

Ven Zehn.6573:

How about this, add a power based set with autofear, and everyone, I mean everyone runs autofear.

Maybe then, people would realize how annoying it is.

! !! ! ! ! !!!!
YES
reintroduce old vamp runes with mist form but replace #2 instaproc with fear! Vampires are dreadful after all

Taobella.6597:

To be honest i think both skills are still are fine pulmonary impact might still be slightly under power. only reason it seem so powerful in this meta is because anet removed all the bunker amulet which is why it feel so powerful.

Pulmonary impact counter is to people who have protection. thief will not win a fight if they keep time on that.

basilisk venom just forces you to slightly stagger your blocks nothing overpowered.

both moves are single target they should be powerful.

yeah fighting a nerco out shroud he get face rolled hard to intrup moves but once he in shroud nerco face roll thief both sides of the fight are fair just knowing how to fight what you are up against.

Describing the problem from d/p thief perspective: Why did impact and HoT overall dumb down thief gameplay?

To describe why Impact is broken by design:

Before HoT, you had to meenage Initiative in many aspects. You had to consider when you use initiative for what purposes. You did use it for offense, defense and utility example: hearthseeker, shadowshot(blind is util too if u use it wisely) for offense, 5->2 to defense, 5->cluster and headshot for utility etc…
If you consumed too much for certain purposes in this balance you had less for the others. If you spared initiative to interrupt necro heal or warrior banner which you should, then you casted less stealth or shadowshot etc. Counting on opponents skills defined how you meenage your bar.
Impacting in itself is changing thief gameplay. It’s damage matches frontstab or shadowshot critical hit damage and is unevadable, unblockable, unblindable and unclensable. It is a decent damage boost on your steal if landed properely and gives direct damage to utilitys with CC, which are OK to a certain degree (still think that it’s stupid with venom). To come to the point lets look at how it effects the init meenagement.

Headshot was before HoT a powerful tool to control your opponents if applyed correctly, but you had to consider what you want to interrupt to have enough initiative to apply enough damage pressure. I hope you see that this trait removes this aspect from the game entirely couse the damage of an interrupt is higher than the average noncrit-crit damage on all your weapon abilitys. This opens space to the question: why wouldn’t i just interrupt every skill i can and deal more damage than usually. Yes you should! You should even interrupt autohits for damage couse it’s matematically higher than any other combinations (not considering inback-stab or precast+steal burst). Not to meantion that interrupting the enemy can already f@@@ theyr plans over.

HoT offers even more dumb stuff. Now that i explayned how not using Headshot for damage is not optimal they introduce a massive Autohit damage buff. This leaves you with Good amount of pressure even if you spammed all your init. Fair enough you’d say… well not that intelligent that this damage buff was so high that meta moved to rage sigil autohitting… This leaves you with the following: biggest damage is impactHeadshot and if you can’t do that you get away with simply autohitting.
(WARNING!!! BEFORE SOME OVERANXIOUS CYNZ WANTS TO COMMENT: i do not say with this that you should not shadowshot, 5->2 or hearthseeker according to a situation! they are awesome and got theyr place!)

There are 2 more HoT(daredev) additions that changed thief roles but according to the devs this was by design and this is not necessarely bad but i want to mention it here couse it is a part of powercreeping the d/p.
This is the evasiveness that comes with Daredevil.
First, the not that bad things are the dodges that are comming with DD where the motto of sword-acro builds before the expansion. You needed both of these to succeed with an evasive-themed build. I welcome D/P in this family couse i support evasion based gameplay over stealth camping \o/. You have to admit though that this traitline offers TOO much dodges. just too much. There is little difference in your evasiveness depending on your main weapon.
The worse part are the “ELITE” dodges. 2 of them are staight up broken on d/p

1. Dash offers perma swiftness. well yep this is already really good. your mobility is brutal with this trait, well worthy of a grandmaster. The thing is i’d stop this trait right here. but it removes snares with no icd. Worst part is that it removes immob. There is no need for evading abilitys with immob. you dont need to know what applyes immob. you just dodge like you normally would and get away. This renders an incredibly amount of skill from the game. Immob wasn’t thorwn around in the golden days of befor-juny and landing immobs was a way to stop thieves momentum. Getting immob isnt “death”, thief had many cards to play, headshot or blind the incomming burst, switchin to sb->#3 or #5 or both, clensing it with signet, etc. Now you don’t even have to think
2. Bound. At the pace you can spam evades with DD the damage buff is on you most of the time. 10% damage is the average of what executioner offers, which is a GM trait. If you land 1 damage proc from it to lets say only 1 target every 10sec(natural regen time of a dodge but in reality you can dodge every ~4 sec in permanent successions) for ~3k dmg. In that period of time you deal ~20k damage to that person. Assuming this, the end resoult is that Bound gave you ridiculous sum of ~25% damage boost. I’d stop here in development but Bound makes applying initial #5&leap stealth uninterruptable. Yep that’s bad design couse it leaves no counterplay. So hmm it’s prty kitten strong too.

I don’t want to go further. I hope you get my point. Revievs like this could be done for the majotity of professions, highlighting the flaws in Elite Spec development. I’d leave the rest for other people or for another day…

R O C.6574:

@OP
So it’s the Pulmonary Impact on interrupt trait that has you crying? And Basilisk Venom is OP because it’s unblockable? BS It’s not guarantied to interrupt everytime

Evade, invuln and blind will still cause Basilisk Venom and the proc to fail correct? So what. I don’t run that trait, maybe i should start. The way you cry about it, it must be good. I though escapists absolution was a good trait, but apparently real thieves don’t run it. Thanks for the tip. I will be impacting your pulmonary from now on

yep. I’d suggest taking that trait over Escapist on all thief builds. Excluding maybe condi builds and some staff builds. The amount of interrupts Steal, Bandit’s, Venom gives is already enough to overperform the other traits in effectivity.
Add sword/staff stealth attack or headshot on ./p builds to that.
That trait alone gives ~40% damage increse against most under-focus targets.
The clear on evade trait would have relevance in 1v1 sutuation if it would not be terible in this meta. Condi specs apply multiple condis with single abilitys like necro proccing chill→bleed+sigils+base condi from skill, warriors apply ~5condis with mace covering those on LB etc… you can’t really clense those with this trait. If you face a decent opponent it’s even more useless couse he unloads u with condi then just starts kiteing and playing defensive so not allowing you to evade == 0clenses.

Wild Sentence appeard:

Posibly in an update that levels the amount of passives and instants && boomspamming && condiburst etc…

Cynz.9437 used comprehension!
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It is not very effective.

And which update would it be, let us hear~

hint: you can insert the following words in the place of “etc”:

1. AoE Crowd control
2. Skills applying Condibomb due to passives, sigils(also passive) or by nature
3. uncontrolled AoE cleave
4. Overtuned abilitys
5. Passive regeneration && sustainability
6. ???

Cynz.9437:

Nah. You just scream OMG BASI OP OMG IMPACT OP NERF PLOX.

… you even commented on my post in this topic regarding this. Are you sure you gonna shame yourself a bit more?
I even apologised… idkman just..pls stop posting here to keep the topic constructive.

Cynz.9437:

MadVisions.4529:

…
I want this game to be as fun as it used to be and changing impacting and/or venom would be a step. Posibly in an update that levels the amount of passives and instants && boomspamming && condiburst etc…
Please stop thorwing stuff like these at me LOL. If i made an unclear statement then SORRY. U read forums 24/7 stuff should have meen clear for you.

Just asking to nerf impact and basi will simply make thief weak vs other classes. As i said, if those nerfs will be implemented they need to be implemented together with nerfs to every other elite otherwise you are just asking to nerf d/p.

Cynz.9437:

MadVisions.4529:

I want this game to be as fun as it used to be and changing impacting and/or venom would be a step. Posibly in an update that levels the amount of passives and instants && boomspamming && condiburst etc…
Please stop thorwing stuff like these at me LOL. If i made an unclear statement then SORRY. U read forums 24/7 stuff should have meen clear for you.

Just asking to nerf impact and basi will simply make thief weak vs other classes. As i said, if those nerfs will be implemented they need to be implemented together with nerfs to every other elite otherwise you are just asking to nerf d/p.

you wrote the following after this reasonable statement:

first:

so we are back to staff 5 spamming? kkkk

second:

Let’s all ride dp hate train so next season only sd hipsters can play (and duel in their privat 1v1 servers) while other classes remain untouched. I don’t have enough facepalms for this.

third:

OP mains thief but he plays SD which usually doesn’t do so well vs dp builds. You basically have power necro crying that condi necro killed him and needs a nerf.

what should i expect now? Is something still unclear for you? or should i just recall some more of the stuff i wrote above so rightfully expecting you to understand before posting.

ALSO WTF. you just posted this in another topic like a minute ago:

I can solo ele on thief. I can’t solo scrapper on thief. Your point?

you can solo a bunker support on thief couse? ye right couse impact is broken. You can’t reliably solo scrapper couse? stabi on evade && 80%reflect uptime is broken vs headshot spam.

R O C.6574:

@OP
I think you’re just mad that thief isn’t trash tier anymore.

Dear Sir! i am really happy about thief being “meta” once again!

R O C.6574:

@OP
It’s prob not Basilisk Venom that you hate. 9/10 I activate spider and skale venom along with basilisk all at the same time. That’s where the knalrly burst comes from, and of COURSE i’m running venomous aura.

This post is more about Impacting paired with this venom. Not meant to target any venom or condi builds
Condi thief builds are less of a problem. Venom condis can be evaded and clensed. They have counterplay, not like Impact.

Cynz.9437:

OP mains thief but he plays SD which usually doesn’t do so well vs dp builds. You basically have power necro crying that condi necro killed him and needs a nerf.

re#1 was:

Your daily “he is s/d main blah blah blah” bullshlt skyrocketed lately.
To clarify something: The fact that i love s/d playstyle the most does not mean that i dont play 80% d/p thief in matchmaking. Nor does it mean that i can’t play better d/p than 99% of the game’s playerbase. So pls sit down

re#2 was:

where the kitten can you read d/d in my writeing? where the kitten do you read in my writeing that “how dare you do xyz”??? I use an even more cancerous autopoc aids version of the same meta spec everyone is sticking to in 80% of my gameplay. If i suggest something that does effect my own gameplay too.

i feel like it would be necessary to upload d/p videos to make baised ppl like you see 1feet farther than your nose.
if you do not understand what i wrote in the commented sections or are just massively carryed by these skills/traits and the low skillfloor so worrying about nefs, please stop posting in this topic or clarify your standpoint. Would spare me some time with the replys etc…

Ravenmoon.5318:

MadVisions.4529:

Cynz.9437:

He is sd main pulling certain wvw d/d thief player here: "please nerf all other builds but mine because it is “skillful” (oh and btw idc if thieves suck in pvp!)".

Your daily “he is s/d main blah blah blah” bullshlt skyrocketed lately.
To clarify something: The fact that i love s/d playstyle the most does not mean that i dont play 80% d/p thief in matchmaking. Nor does it mean that i can’t play better d/p than 99% of the game’s playerbase. So pls sit down

Period.

Venom(now) is suited for powercreep as you mentioned. And as i admit that it is fine vs the majority of classes but in thief v thief scenatios it’s just completely stupid and removes a lot of fun/skillcap. Meh.. mby it’s just impacting….
Sad story

Just interrupt the cast :o If you play 80% D/P then you have headshot available at least 50% of the time.

…. if they cast it normally it has counterplay to a certain degree, couse you can random evade the instants after…
Problem starts at the point where decent people realise that you can stealth cast it.