Guild Wars 2

Ayrilana.1396:

I recently had to deal with someone that kept arguing what I meant in my own post, after numerous clarifications, to the point that they were trolling for 2+ pages and I don’t want to go through that again.

I’m not sure if I should laugh, cry, or both. Oh well, I agree to disagree. We’ll just have to wait and see what happens.

Is that Rytlock?

Ayrilana.1396:

Morsus.5106:

Ayrilana.1396:

Morsus.5106:

Ayrilana.1396:

Morsus.5106:

proviticus.4183:

I think the only fair way to change this system is to not change the system. Like ensign clearly pointed out, you can’t keep increasing the odds without a supply shock, unless you decrease the initial odds (screwing normal players, benefiting rich players).

The only way to fix the precursor system, in my opinion is to do nothing with the current legendaries. They should release new legendaries with new precursors (or no precursors) that have more straightforward methods of acquisition for those that prefer it that way.

That would still shock the market, because then demand would go down for the regular precursors, and then the price would fall off of a cliff. That’s the same thing that would happen if we made it easier for people to get precursors.

That won’t happen.

Why not? If you divide the demand by two, the price is gonna drop.

You’re making the assumption that demand will drop significantly when it likely won’t. They will still be high in demand. It’s just that there will be more legendary weapons to choose from. If you followed the demand for other weapon skins, you’d see what I was talking about.

Demand is not mutually exclusive. There’s a better way to phrase it but it’s more easily understandable the current way used.

You’re making the assumption that it won’t drop. If these new legendaries looked as good as the previous one and had a guaranteed way of getting a precursor, around 50% of people could go for it because it looks good, and however many more will go for it simply because it has a craftable precursor not to mention all the people who already have a legendary could go for it. There are countless factors and I’m assuming the worst whereas you are assuming the best.

Please stop making up arguments and saying they came from me. I did not say that demand would not drop. I said that it would either not drop or not as much as you may be assuming. See the difference? I hope so.

Demand for precursors will not change as much as you think because they are not substitutes of each other. If people wanted these precursors now, chances are they’ll still want these after the fact. You’re making the assumption that they will want one or the other and not both. It doesn’t work like that as evidenced by other skins available.

You’re also pulling the assumption about demand dropping by 50% out of nowhere. It’s based on nothing but you’re opinion. There’s really no reasoning behind it as you have not shown how you came up with that percentage. It shows that you don’t understand the demand that players have for skins in this game.

You also don’t understand how precursors are primarily created in this game. The majority that show up on the market are not from drops.

If you actually read my post you’d understand where 50% comes from. If the new legendaries are of the same visual quality as the current ones it will be down to individual taste to determine who gets what. If you have two options of equal value, it’s only fair to assume that people will be divided 50/50 on it. I hope I have explained my logic clearly enough.

If the rate at which people buy precursors slows down, then prices go down. Prices will recover eventually, but their will still be a market shock as the people with precursors freak out, just like with Dyes. I’m assuming it will be the reverse of dyes though, since demand should go down, instead of up though.

Also, I didn’t make up an argument for you, you stated the following:
“You’re making the assumption that demand will drop significantly when it likely won’t.”
I read that as you don’t think demand will drop significantly, when as little as 10% less demand is significant from a market standpoint.

Please no
/fifteenquaggansdancinginarow

Anmida.4058:

Oh dear these threads. People have really never played the average MMO, both lately or beforehand. I swear you folk really have no idea how much variety you have, and how much of an amusing complaint Guild Wars 2 “lacking” in skins of all things is.
There is a myriad of things you can complain about, but this is the least one you could possibly bring up as an issue. Seriously. I am not even exaggerating. You folk need to educate yourselves in how the average MMORPG works in these terms so you can realize how much of a boon Guild Wars 2 is when it comes to customization. It’ll be good for -you-, not anyone else.

When GW2 says the only progression is skin progression it’s important to have a skin for everyone, and by the look of these threads they don’t.

Ayrilana.1396:

Morsus.5106:

Ayrilana.1396:

Morsus.5106:

proviticus.4183:

I think the only fair way to change this system is to not change the system. Like ensign clearly pointed out, you can’t keep increasing the odds without a supply shock, unless you decrease the initial odds (screwing normal players, benefiting rich players).

The only way to fix the precursor system, in my opinion is to do nothing with the current legendaries. They should release new legendaries with new precursors (or no precursors) that have more straightforward methods of acquisition for those that prefer it that way.

That would still shock the market, because then demand would go down for the regular precursors, and then the price would fall off of a cliff. That’s the same thing that would happen if we made it easier for people to get precursors.

That won’t happen.

Why not? If you divide the demand by two, the price is gonna drop.

You’re making the assumption that demand will drop significantly when it likely won’t. They will still be high in demand. It’s just that there will be more legendary weapons to choose from. If you followed the demand for other weapon skins, you’d see what I was talking about.

Demand is not mutually exclusive. There’s a better way to phrase it but it’s more easily understandable the current way used.

You’re making the assumption that it won’t drop. If these new legendaries looked as good as the previous one and had a guaranteed way of getting a precursor, around 50% of people could go for it because it looks good, and however many more will go for it simply because it has a craftable precursor not to mention all the people who already have a legendary could go for it. There are countless factors and I’m assuming the worst whereas you are assuming the best.

Aguri.2896:

I don’t understand why people keep asking for what looks like to me very generic and plain armor and weapons. Simple is nice, sure, but it doesn’t have to be boring. The weapons and armor in this game are fine we just need more of them. I like GW2’s art and I don’t want them to change the way they do things just to conform to what other MMOs have set as “cool”.

I despise the look of the Legendary greatswords, but I don’t demand they be removed. I for one like the look of that paladin. Our tastes differ, and the game should allow us to express ourselves the way we want to.

proviticus.4183:

Morsus.5106:

proviticus.4183:

I think the only fair way to change this system is to not change the system. Like ensign clearly pointed out, you can’t keep increasing the odds without a supply shock, unless you decrease the initial odds (screwing normal players, benefiting rich players).

The only way to fix the precursor system, in my opinion is to do nothing with the current legendaries. They should release new legendaries with new precursors (or no precursors) that have more straightforward methods of acquisition for those that prefer it that way.

That would still shock the market, because then demand would go down for the regular precursors, and then the price would fall off of a cliff. That’s the same thing that would happen if we made it easier for people to get precursors.

no…
1) people will still want the ‘old’ legendaries
2) most pres come from people forging them, which sets the price. Less people will do this if demand drops, so supply will drop… so nothing will change.
3) even if I were wrong about 1 and 2 a game will make very little progress if you’re not willing to introduce new items because they may shock other markets. But I’m not wrong about 1 and 2, the market would be able to sustain the shift in player priorities.

Yes people will still want them, but not as many. Players will go for the other craftable legendaries simply because they are craftable. If they look good people will go for them anyway, so the demand will drop by around 50%, and the supply coming in drops by 50%, but the supply that’s already on the tp or in the hands of players stays the same, meaning an excess. I’m not arguing against adding TP crafting, I’m just saying that there’s no way to go around it without a market shock. Every time ANet tries to prevent a market shock it backfires (Take silk. The price skyrocketed and supply dropped, and now we have to deal with timegating)

Levetty.1279:

Lethe.1640:

If you want to split hairs, the Charr and humans both inherited the land from the Forgotten. So, technically, if you want to argue the point of ownership, it belongs to neither race.

So there.

Thank you. People always forget this. Unfortunately it seems Anet is one of the ones who forgot.

Silly race name making a pun unavoidable.

I’m forgetful, who are the forgotten? (ba dum tsss in the background)

Ayrilana.1396:

Morsus.5106:

proviticus.4183:

I think the only fair way to change this system is to not change the system. Like ensign clearly pointed out, you can’t keep increasing the odds without a supply shock, unless you decrease the initial odds (screwing normal players, benefiting rich players).

The only way to fix the precursor system, in my opinion is to do nothing with the current legendaries. They should release new legendaries with new precursors (or no precursors) that have more straightforward methods of acquisition for those that prefer it that way.

That would still shock the market, because then demand would go down for the regular precursors, and then the price would fall off of a cliff. That’s the same thing that would happen if we made it easier for people to get precursors.

That won’t happen.

Why not? If you divide the demand by two, the price is gonna drop.

They need to introduce a way to convert ascended mats into another ascended mat. I have too much Bloodstone and Empyreal Shards because I run dungeons regularly but not enough Dragonite. I used to be able to get my Dragonite with a couple nights of temples, but Megaservers kind of took that from me.

proviticus.4183:

I think the only fair way to change this system is to not change the system. Like ensign clearly pointed out, you can’t keep increasing the odds without a supply shock, unless you decrease the initial odds (screwing normal players, benefiting rich players).

The only way to fix the precursor system, in my opinion is to do nothing with the current legendaries. They should release new legendaries with new precursors (or no precursors) that have more straightforward methods of acquisition for those that prefer it that way.

That would still shock the market, because then demand would go down for the regular precursors, and then the price would fall off of a cliff. That’s the same thing that would happen if we made it easier for people to get precursors.

I hate people who use knockback while a zerg is taking down a champ in WvW. Seriously, our combo fields don’t help if no one is in the field!

Gizmo.9178:

Morsus.5106:

I think people who play other genders are creeps (unless it’s a game where you have no choice. Then it’s fine. Or if you get some bonus out of it like in Fire Emblem)

I play all female characters. I used to have some female Norn but now they are all fluffy tailed female Charr.

Come at me bro.

I’ll only get creeped out if you pretend to be a girl and flirt with people over map chat. If you just like playing girls that is your choice (though I will silently judge you for the rest of my natural life :p).

Mini’s shouldn’t be giving any stat bonuses. They are supposed to look cool and follow you around. I could get behind a mini-dueling arena where they can fight, but I don’t think they should have any affect on regular combat.
“LFG Berserker’s Only. Must have mini Zojja”

I got the game on my birthday, so my main character and I are a day apart (I started playing the night before). He will forever be the better version of me.

Ayrilana.1396:

Morsus.5106:

Ayrilana.1396:

You’ll be lucky to get 1 skill per class due to how much work they have to do with creating, testing, and balancing it.

What balance? Afaik none of the new healing skills are being used.

I’m not referring to balance as the amount of skills of a certain type available when compared to other types. Nor am I referring to usage in any way.

The reason a lot of them go unused is because they aren’t as good as the other skills. In other words, they are unbalanced. I know you aren’t talking about usage, but usage is a good way to see if a skill is over powered, under powered or balanced.

BrunoBRS.5178:

Morsus.5106:

This makes me so glad I’m leveling my Elementalist right now. Flame Axe and Fiery Greatsword will make short work of Mordremoth.

fiery greatsword makes short work of everything.

It won’t make short work of the Deep Sea Dragon. That thing will probably just turn into steam which is even harder to hit. Luckily we have the Lightning Hammer!

Ensign.2189:

Phibes.4128:

Precursor Magic Find would be an additional probability on top of the baseline chance that alright exists. So if the baseline chance now is 0.07% (or whatever the number is), we would begin to increase from that number, not start at zero, as you suggest above.

Why not just ask for a massive increase in the drop rate then?

…because that would just result in less people getting screwed over by a toilet. When you have a better and better chance at getting a precursor it helps make sure no one ends up throwing millions of exotics in with nothing coming out.

Ayrilana.1396:

You’ll be lucky to get 1 skill per class due to how much work they have to do with creating, testing, and balancing it.

What balance? Afaik none of the new healing skills are being used.

Zelyhn Lekovitch.2867:

LordByron.8369:

Only issue is the mandatory GUARDIAN.

What?

As a Guardian I bring 25% reflection uptime (more if traited), good to high DPS, shouts provide good survival boons and I can blind for huge attacks or just block them.

RashanDale.3609:

I sometimes dance/laugh on the corpses of guardians/thieves/warriors in WvW, when roaming. If people play one of these professions and still manage to die, they deserve it.

I dance on whoever dies to my zerg in WvW.

Mortifer.2946:

Vol.7601:

“2) RNG as implemented isn’t fair.
Nope, life ain’t fair. GW2 is not life, it is a game. It is entertainment. Frustration is not fun.”

Isn’t gambling entertainment? Casinos? Racetracks? Believe it or not, some people like gambling because it’s fun and entertaining.

Sorry Vol, but this is the stupidest thing you have ever written on this forum. Computer game which is advertised as a game for +12 children and families, with lots of aesthetics and content which is definitely for young audience should NOT contain casino aspects! If anything, it only spoils children and teaches them to gamble. And YES, gambling is BAD and dangerous.

I don’t want gambling to be a part of Guild Wars 2.

Not to mention there are other ways of getting money besides gambling.

I think if you are wearing gear when you level up it should go up in a level so that way you don’t have to continually buy new gear as you are leveling. It get’s annoying to have to buy a whole new set of gear every 5 levels or so.

I play with Rangers, Engineers and Necromancers when they come up in my pugs.

You can’t even see the bosses because of all the special effects, but the sound effects are underwhelming. Pretty funny IMO.

Brother Grimm.5176:

Morsus.5106:

Brother Grimm.5176:

Morsus.5106:

I think people who play other genders are creeps (unless it’s a game where you have no choice. Then it’s fine. Or if you get some bonus out of it like in Fire Emblem)

What do you think of males that just like to look a the backside of a male character exclusively? Just a counter point to your irrational thoughts…..

If you play a game to get turned on, you have a bigger problem than my “irrational thinking”.

I don’t have a problem with either….I was just pointing out that your assumption that everyone playing the game must be a pervert if they don’t want to play their own gender is slightly askew…..not that there’s anything wrong with that….no, not at all.

Okay, people who play different genders to get turned on or pretend to be the opposite gender and flirt are perverts. Fair enough?

Omar Aschi Popp.7496:

Hey guys, guys!

Guess what!

Precursors, and Legendary weapons, are optional.
No one is _forcing you to do the content, or grind for it, or stress over it.

It’s optional
: ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

A house is optional, too.

Sweetblue Huntress.9856:

I love the troll in all of us.

(in yoda voice) The troll is strong with this one…

Brother Grimm.5176:

Morsus.5106:

I think people who play other genders are creeps (unless it’s a game where you have no choice. Then it’s fine. Or if you get some bonus out of it like in Fire Emblem)

What do you think of males that just like to look a the backside of a male character exclusively? Just a counter point to your irrational thoughts…..

If you play a game to get turned on, you have a bigger problem than my “irrational thinking”.

Brother Grimm.5176:

I’m pretty sure Anet could SET what you get from an Ascended Salvage (or WHATEVER conversion method is put in place) to NOT make it FUBAR the economy, yet allow the unwanted items do more than get put in storage or be destroyed.

It’s more likely that they’ll timegate it, and it will still screw up the economy.

This makes me so glad I’m leveling my Elementalist right now. Flame Axe and Fiery Greatsword will make short work of Mordremoth.

jweez.7214:

Yea. And also add 50 new dungeons and ten more classes.

Lol jking but 30 seems a little excessive. What do others think?

We got about 200 new skills in the Guild Wars expansions, so we should get the same here in ANet refuses to do and expansion . 30 * 8 is 240, so that’s pretty high, but I can imagine demanding 20.

LumAnth.5124:

I once thought Necromancers were sub par in dungeons too then I had one join my AC all paths run.

He did really well. When the Spider Queen was about to spit venom fields, he managed to time his fear at the right second and ran a good DPS build (dagger/dagger)

The thing with most “bad” classes are the fact they are more difficult to play well not a bad class. Playing a Warrior is decently hard to do poorly, whereas you can play Necromancer poorly pretty easily. Both can provide great help in dungeons though.

I think people who play other genders are creeps (unless it’s a game where you have no choice. Then it’s fine. Or if you get some bonus out of it like in Fire Emblem)

Farzo.8410:

Ascended armor and weapons added nothing to this game. It was all just an illusion for gear grinders to get something to do but were so useless in the end anyway.

The difference between weapons is noticeable, 5% more damage for a two handed weapon (not counting the stat increase). You might not think that’s a lot, but it’s substantial enough to make a difference, especially when it’s so readily obtainable. Armor on the other hand, it’s pretty useless.

Staff Elementalists are for might stacking.

Brother Grimm.5176:

Ascended materials and gear both need a method to “convert” them into some useful form.

But these are an addition to loot tables. It would be a boost to the amount of items flowing into the economy, which isn’t what ANet would appear to want.

If that’s too hard to implement, they could just say that 4 ascended weapons of the same type (no mystic forge stones) guarantee a precursor.

LadyRhonwyn.2501:

nightwulf.1986:

Guhracie.3419:

I’m actually really pleased with the transmutation charges, except that I have leftover stones from the old system that are useless. I like that they’re not physical items (not for long, anyway).

I could be mistaken but I’m pretty sure the old stones can be converted to charges. It just takes 3 stones for 1 charge, 1 crystal for 1 charge, and 1 splitter for 5 charges.

So, if you had 5 stones, you’ll be left with 2.

I had 5 stones, and I’m stuck with 2 actually.

Conncept.7638:

You’re selling dungeon runs and complaining about fairness? Do you even know what that word means?

Fair
adjective
1. in accordance with the rules or standards; legitimate.
2. (of hair or complexion) light; blond.
adverb
1. without cheating or trying to achieve unjust advantage.
2. to a high degree.
noun
a beautiful woman.
verb
(of the weather) become fine.

This is fair in most definitions (If we’re thinking of the same one). He beat 5 man content, and is willing to let you in on the rewards for a fee.

Ayrilana.1396:

maha.7902:

Ayrilana.1396:

FrostSpectre.4198:

Other problem being that the old mobs so far are “zerker feed”. And the rank up system on scale up, increases HP and DMG greatly, and grant Unshakable on Champs, those stats being anti- Conditions, CC and Support. And more favoring the use of Berserker gear.

The new S2 living story mobs, Mordrem, have quite well undone it. Berserker is not best possible to use against them, since they deplete your health very quickly, if you’re not supported by CC and Support…

I hope ANet would also update the old mobs, Group content that is, to have such variety.

Huh? I kill them just fine with berserker gear.

Don’t tell them that, they’ll start complaining again once they realise it.

They’re going to complain either way.

Now I’m going to have to complain about you telling me that they’ll complain either way.

Allandir.6289:

I remember the words that ArenaNet said some of time ago: Warrior is the most balanced class in gw2. I don’t comment it. My attachment will do it.

Well maybe it’s balanced, and all the other classes are just underpowered. The game would be very weird if every class was as powerful as Warrior, but hey, whatever.

Aelaelia.6715:

pdavis.8031:

Well you ckittene the skin in the wardrobe system to make it LOOK like you have 2 Incinerators, but the stats won’t be that of Incinerator. Otherwise you’d need to make 2.

I thought since Legendaries are account bound now than you can copy the stats over? Could be wrong though… i’m so confused lol

They are account bound, but once it’s bound to the account it’s skin can be copied, but you still need another Dagger to copy the skin onto.

Mac.3872:

The ability to sell dungeon paths causes nothing but trouble. Either the buyer gets scammed or the seller gets ‘grieved’. Best solution would be to remove it from the game entirely, for the sake of a more pleasant community.

Tell me how they get scammed? The person beat the dungeon for them and is asking for payment for it.

I tried to grab Belinda’s sword only to find there was no way to loot the body.

Lindbur.2537:

The condition cap exists not solely for balance reasons, but because the servers would be overloaded with calculations if there was no cap.

Except it totally screws up balance, and their have been plenty of suggestions on how to get around the server limit. People say that more than 25 bleeds would be a death sentence, but if those same people rolled Berserker’s it would be a death sentence.

Ronin.7381:

Morsus.5106:

I don’t think ending the curse is admitting that magic is better than cold steel. The curse can only be ended by the shattering of Sohothin, a magic sword. It would seem more like he’s destroying the magic thkittening it, at least IMO.

It comes down to pride. The FoeFire robbed them of what they believe is their birthright. When pride is at the helm, you do anything to justify your “rightful claim”. Honestly it’s poetic justice, Adelbern wanted his people to fight the Charr forever and here comes a Charr beating him at even that. Removing the curse as a Charr is not just a staple but an insult to everything Adelbern fought for.

Having a human remove the curse would be the insult. “You can’t get rid of some ghosts? Fiiiiiine, I’ll come smash a sword since you can’t do it.” Undoing his magic and removing it is victory from my point of view.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

I am an average player, or maybe less-than-average (haven’t really done Dungeons, don’t do the World Bosses, don’t really do WvW much and have never done PvP, don’t farm anything except keys-1 or 2 a week), and I exchange Gold into Gems all the time.

So, I guess some average players help with the Gold sink. Lol, I guess…

How much gold do you have? You could easily have a lot, because gem conversions is roughly 100 gold for 800 gems.

Vayne.8563:

Temples in Orr give dragonite too, but yes, different ascended mats come from playing different content.

I’ve yet to find an uncontested temple since Megaservers. I used to farm them for my Dragonite Ore but now I have to do it in EotM.