It’s not the worst I’ve seen
But why sword mainhand? Wouldn’t an Axe serve you much better you are running zerker ammy especially since you have mace offhand its essentially a burst build without a burst ability – final thrust is highly unreliable – gs and even hammer make more sense IMO
You should immediately kick any Thief from your party running these runes
I will say it once again – Mesmers Thieves and Clones/Stealth are noob checks for PvP
At one point in time we all thought they were OP
LOL at the chat
Dude you’re famous
Here is what you perceive – solo Q players run into a premade maybe once or twice out of 10 matches and claim that every loss from there is a pre-made, the sky is falling and every game is against Abjured and elite teams and I get courtyard every match and lose 500-0
Reality – The system is pretty much the same as before and once seasons starts on the 16th most premades won’t be jumping into unranked and will be going try hard in ranked
Suggestion – Calm the kitten down! Make friends! Play unranked after the 16th
If you believe that item quality and character level has any impact on spvp then I think we need to start at the very beginning.
If he isn’t trolling then I genuinely feel bad at this point
I want the dungeon master title without doing all the dungeons: chicken mode
I want the champion _ title in pvp without doing pvp: fighter mode
I want the collections achievement without collecting anything: hoarder mode
I want a precursor/legendary without doing anything: free loader mode
I do not even want to play the game: auto-pilot mode
without might stacking celestial isn’t OP – probably not even viable. the issue is might stacking. let me spell it out for you:
Classes considered OP:
Eles
Engis
Warriors
some people say thieves and mesmersClasses almost nobody considers OP
Rangers
Necros
GuardiansCOMPARE THAT TO
Classes who use might-stacking
Eles
Engis
Warriors
some thieves and mesmersClasses who rarely use might stacking
Rangers
necros
GuardiansSee a pattern here?
BINGO
Without might stacking celestial does no damage – especially in the d/d elementalist build that is completely concentrated on defensive/bunker traitlines
I’ve tried celestial Necro/Ranger while the sustain is nice you do not kill anything because you rarely stack 10+ might stacks
It’s true to an extent but I can tell you from first hand experience you can win as a solo player and “carry” bad players
Most people do their own thing without communication etc
I find the best thing to do is simply what your team needs
No one going home? You do it
No one going mid everyone going far? Do not go mid alone and get rekt
No one grabbing/killing treb while you keep getting rekt at mid? DO IT
etc etc
You want to play solo and succeed? Be flexible
Now we are truly e-sports
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQRAqY6YlsMpopNNxzJ0PNBSBxdDCwC88F1ozQUVA-TlSEABIoE0XlYAYCqgDCgUKNo4EAEj6PN8EAmSZQL7PEAABgZOzhezhmQAKmDA-w is for my current build.
1 hit KO’s are typically from ranger’s bow barrage, some class that jumps and instantly downs, don’t know what that is. Necro’s sometimes take a couple hits but they freeze me so I can’t move the entire time, and mesmers split into multiples then explode and kill.
You have got to be kidding me – You’re a condi thief!
First of all you should be running 2/0/6/0/6 – acrobatics does not do much for condi thief
Second of all you are using two venoms?! And NO STUNBREAKS?!
Take those garbage venoms off and put on shadow step and shadow refuge next take that garbage signet off and put blinding powder – voila! You now have three utilities that actually help you survive
Also – Where is your shortbow? The fifth skill will teleport you away from those pesky players who keep killing you
Lastly you simply need practice Thief is hard to master but once you do it is godly – I engage anything on the battlefield because I know I can escape at anytime regardless
Well you forgot the worm which is actually our lowest cool down stun break
All of our stun breaks give us benefits besides just breaking a stun and they are all traitable as well
Should spectral walk be lower cool down? probably but I think the rest of them are actually very strong
Plague Signet could also use some love too
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You can’t “nerf” something that was not mean to be there. That is called a fix. The reason all your skills get reset on start is to be on the same plain. You can still get the 20% at the start just like other classes pre-buffing as you stated. You will then be on CD for that skill just like every other class that used theirs. That is what now makes it even. If they use a skill it is then on CD…and now, so will yours. Wait for match to start…pop it real quick and there is your money. You can then walk in with more LF and be on CD. It’s only 40 seconds CD so you will get it back shortly into the fight as it takes 20 sec to get to a point anyway. No other class could use a skill and keep the benefits of it without using a CD at start of the match.
I think Anet will label it as a “fix” but I do not think you can outright say that it was not meant to be there and that it is NOT a nerf
This has been available since launch and even used in official tournaments so saying that it was a fix to something that should never have been there seems wrong
You think you won’t be high on the leader boards?
Nope, probably won’t break top 100 because I refuse to pub stomp my way to the top. My playstyle is to team queue when other teams are playing, for quality matches and to not annoy people who aren’t expecting to face an Abjured pug. I might play 25-30 games a week.
That bothers you doesn’t it
What would you suggest? I can queue up and stomp you and other unsuspecting, average players for 20 hours a week if you’d prefer. I’d definitely be top rated!
Do you see why incentivizing top teams to do this in order to stay competitive is bad?
I do not see how revamping leader boards and giving out glorious armor/llama finishers somehow is an incentive to top players
That is clearly something that is geared towards bringing in new/casual/average players
The only incentive for you guys to play and practice is money tournaments – Do you really care about the leader boards? Does it matter if you are not in the top 100?
If the system is well done I think you guys will be represented in the top of the leader boards regardless
This last part is vital to the games success. I posted this many times over the last year on the forums. Please don’t sacrifice this ideal because it is so important. Some people will QQ about it. But they have vested interests. It is so important that less skilled people who play alot are rewarded.
I think what people might be forgetting, is that we also have tournaments, ESL cups, etc. to cater to those who want skill to be the absolute determinant.
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What I am trying to say is the leader boards are not for you
I’m sick of your logic-less, arbitrary statements. Why shouldn’t it work for everybody?
LOL
The thing is it WILL work for everybody
You think you won’t be high on the leader boards?
YOUR problem with the leader board is that you probably won’t be first because someone with 5000 games played and a lesser win percentage will be above you
That bothers you doesn’t it
Chaith,
It’s fine that you all group up. But the matcher needs to only match you with another team close to your average MMR. And if none of the other elites are playing at the moment, then there is no match available. That’s perfectly fair. That’s a reality of being the best.
That’s essentially putting you in a Super Platinum Bracket.
And that is fair to all players.
There’s only so much harm to the game’s enjoyment 20 people can do who rarely even do ranked queue.
I think there are more than 20 that can dominate the average players. There is a LOT to this game and it takes a while to learn.
We were both talking about elite players not slightly above average players.
Matchmaking can’t work for elite players if no other of the 20 elite players are playing.
However, for above average players and average players, the matchmaking seems to work just fine. What you’re referring to isn’t a problem currently.
It’s amplified because let’s say, Top 300 players grouped on teams, many on Teamspeak, basically cycle through match after match crushing casual soloers. You see this whenever the queues get shorter.
The teams that are winning are having fun and play hour after hour, winning. The low to average skill people get discouraged by blowouts and stop. Still, more casuals show up after a few minutes and get blown out for a few games, then they leave.
When they tightened up the matching, I, as an average player, started getting good tight matches…but the forums lit up with high-level people complaining that they Q was 30 mins.
Well, of course it was…the matcher was not allowing lopsided matches.
I guess you say it better than me
Do not get caught up on the whole elite 20 players grouping up thing – I am not claiming you guys are ruining the game etc etc
What I am trying to say is the leader boards are not for you and your group of elite buddies – The tournaments with real cash on the line is for you
The leader boards are for casuals and people who are getting into pvp/gw2 in the last few months and those who will buy the game in the future – they need to be rewarded for participating and they need to see progress in the form of a leader board
A perfect scenario would include brackets so that you super platinum players can play against each other all the time the issue is that you guys have NO competition – there is not enough interest in this game/pvp
Leader boards for casuals/average/above average players not the elites helps grow the game – that’s my point
Participation > Leet win %
The shadow step/teleport bugs are a direct result of latency/lag
What is more important!?
The best of the best get llamas and we only care about super leet win %?
Some casual players get more invested into PvP because they see progress on the leader board and one day become elite players/form teams/participate in weeklies etc etc
Which system caters to this?
Leaderboards are for leading players? wtf does that mean? Leader boards are for people like backpack to flex his kitten?
Leader boards ARE for casuals – They are the ones who actually want the llamas and participate
You and your buddies already win money wtf you want a leader board for!?
It IS partially your fault there is no competition instead of 4 elite teams consisting of 20 elite players just imagine there were 20 teams with 1 elite player each – why do that when we can all team up and win money in china though right?!
Only one thing will bring more players that is rewards for active participation in leader boards throughout all skill levels! Not simply rewarding the 20 players who group up and stomp everyone with 70+ winning percentage
You guys need to get a grip – Leader boards are not about rewarding you guys and growing your kitten it is creating incentives for the regular players to get better thus increasing participation and making the China events better for the pros like you! Instead of having a stream with 300 viewers all the time you might get a stream with an actual significant amount of viewers
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Stupid Necro’s derailing my karma train!
You know there is no balance when one guy who plays thief says he dies to anyone he fights and in the same thread someone responds not to fight thieves because they are impossible to fight against
There is no chance that both of them can be correct right!?
Stealth/Thief/Mesmer is the ultimate noob check
I don’t get it
Top players in the game queue with each other claim there is no competition and want to be high on the leader boards?
Why do you guys not actually go for a challenge and stop grouping up and stomping everyone? There are literally about 20 elite players in NA and they all play with each other then complain there is no competition. WTF!?
The ladder is perfectly fine how it is – we already know who the top players in the game are we do not need you on the leader boards too. Go play in china win tournaments or go play in the weeklies
Leader boards are for casuals and something to attain for lesser skilled players – it promotes participation which is healthy for the game
You want a real leader board!? We need brackets!
You want brackets? We need about 10,000 new players how the hell are we going to get those type of numbers if you idiots keep on teaming up with each other stomping everyone and not allowing anyone else in the leader boards!?
I just played about 10 games I won 3 of them somehow
One game we had two condi thieves – that’s right two – both using speed signet too
One game I had an engi who camped flamethrower throughout the entire match he was unaware of any other kit
Another game was 4v5 since one of the players kept switching toons wondering why he could not get out of the pvp match and back to PvE
GG ANET
why would anyone spectral armor and then enter deathshroud right after?
wont you lose the spectral effect of regaining your DS with each damage?
No you do not lose the spectral effect
In fact this is actually the best way to use it
pseudo invulnerability
hehe they haven’t figured out thieves yet like over here on NA
Poison icon is different
Good stuff
How many times did you get farmed by premades today?
Yeah i got one of those too
Where is dry top?
Recipe?
Crafting?
Deletes Fossil
Yes along with a plethora of other sigils/runes
A necromancer with scepter/staff is not as good as a doom sigil – in applying posion
I don’t get this thread and the responses
Are you going for a world record dungeon speed run? No? Who cares then
Every profession in full zerk is perfectly fine for dungeons
I remember in the first months of the game I was full rabid running dungeons lol
Find a guild/friends/post your own LFG and no one will kick you
offhand is still trash but the damage on Axe#5 is not terrible – every other OH is better though sadly
Mainhand axe is still good just harder to use with the adrenaline change – a well timed eviscerate is a game changer
I already read the ANet posting about new PvP, and my questions are not being answered there.
And I also think this thread could be used as a summary thread to find the answers to all those questions that not only me, but also many other players, are asking all the time.
P.S: the search tool is really bad with such a big mess of QQ posts from unhappy players.
No everything you have asked has already been answered
One thing you are right about is how bad the search function is
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/PvP_Matchmaking_Algorithm#Pseudo-Code
This may or may not be in the ladder matches, along with skyhammer.
It will not be included during season play.
There is only one reason courtyard is currently creating so many tears
That one player we all know who they are
-Doesn’t speak in chat
-As soon as he respawns he runs out the base and gets farmed
All 5 players have to be on the same page for this type of deathmatch to work
Either way I like it when I play with competent players
Indeed completely agree, all other things are conveniences and/or secondary to the most important aspect of matchmaking – MMR or Skill of the players
You’re actually the first to ask that and that’s such a wonderful idea!
;)
I mean he obviously stated he is a zerg player with not much intention of getting better mechanically or roaming – go ahead you will not be much use to a bottom tier server anyway
Do all of you realize most conquest games are over after the first team fight?
Baddies will be bad regardless of game mode
Are you going to do this everyday? Someone ban this fool
When the match is ready, you must GO RIGHT NOW or suffer dishonor. No time for dueling or doing anything you cannot stop in 2 seconds.
When the Match is ready, i’ll accept the queue. It’s no different with waiting in Heart of the Mists.
You will and so will I and lots of other PvP players
I believe the reason they enforced this is for those doing WvW or PvE that get the queue pop and never accept get forced into a match and leave it
The one benefit for sure is faster queue times since everyone is sitting in HotM and should be paying attention
I did not notice any similar thread, so I made my own.
seriously? almost every thread on the front page is people QQing AKA giving their thoughts of the update
not that any of it is coherent well structured or readable which is the opposite of yours I will agree with your points
No, when dishonor will hit you will get the debuff (AFAIK)
Really? That doesn’t make sense if I switch char but keep same profession why would I be penalized?
How are they going to control that?
You either have switching or you do not regardless of profession
We don’t
I have added spectral attunement to my build – use spectral walk in the start of team fight rush into center of action get beat up a bit and port back out – lots of LF
What if instead you learned how to get off the point while zerker stance is on for 8 seconds and then proceed to kill your target?
Why should the game change because you can not kill a hambow – this does nothing to make the game better is overly complicated and really makes absolutely no sense
You do not need to control a warrior to evade the hammer attacks – try dodging and better positioning
Here’s what happened when I tried to PvP earlier today. First, I notice the Play Now button is gone, I spend about 10 minutes trying to find a match I can join, it was one full game after another. Then I find a match, pick a side, and see that everyone in the camp has red names. I think that maybe now players’ names were in the colours of their team. Oh, no, my “team-mates” start attacking me. I was so confused that I just stood there, but in the end I got credit for being on that team. I was on the read team, marked as blue team, or something. Someone might know the technical terms. I guess that’s the bug and glitch portion of my rant.
What!?
you stomp wot m8?
this type of attitude will lead to exactly -0- people adding you to their team
There needs to be multiple exits for respawn it is way too easy to snowball and spawn camp
You are all being EXTREMELY short-sighted
Merging solo q and team q is better for us ALL – PvP population is not large
Courtyard/Deathmatch should simply be thrown out this game is not made for that type of play especially when the opposing team sits outside of your spawn farming you as you jump in one by one
You’re all typical mob mentality going nuts over the first few games you joined – wait till the fairweathers leave the shiny new toy and things will be fine