Guild Wars 2

This thread has all kinds of fail in it

1. If rifle/warrior were truly OP and needed balancing you should post in the Warrior forums not the thief forums
2. Clearly rifle is not OP in fact.. it was just buffed and STILL a rifle warrior is not meta for anything in this game except killing noob thieves who aren’t paying attention
3. L2P you have 3 utilities 2 dodges and stealth/evade on every weapon set you can mitigate a kill shot at ANY time unless you have no endurance/utilities/initiative in which case you got outplayed

Please stop responding to everyone the game has been live for almost THREE years now – No one thinks “Kill Shot” is overpowered we have learned to play eventually you will too – just let it go

Ravenmoon.5318:

Narkodx.1472:

Best part of this thread is a bunch of NOBODIES saying shoutbow is a bad build

It’s not like one of the meta defining builds at the moment

It’s not like one of the best players in the world just won a tournament worth $25k using this build

Buff shoutbow

You have to give it to ROM though, he’s an exceptional player. The ninja stunts he pulled off at the finals were sick, in all 4 games. Very few players can play like that and the build has nothing to do with it IMO

He couldn’t have pulled off those stunts with just any build – it allows him to kite around multiple players with ridiculous sustain and support – how could he have healed/ressed/kited multiple players running something like zerker melee gs/axe

Your build should optimize your role on the team – Shoutbow does that

Shieldbash.5304:

Narkodx.1472:

Best part of this thread is a bunch of NOBODIES saying shoutbow is a bad build

It’s not like one of the meta defining builds at the moment

It’s not like one of the best players in the world just won a tournament worth $25k using this build

Buff shoutbow

Even better is someone thinking their elitist enough to speculate on who’s a somebody!

If referring to me, I said my opinion, and until Obama finishes his goal of repealing my Constitutional rights I am still allowed one!

There is no speculation – you ARE a nobody and so am I

Rom is a SOMEBODY and he uses shoutbow for a reason

What is this political nonsense?

flow.6043:

Ravezaar.4951:

“The only one in a top team? No.
The best necro? Absolutely not.”

Its the only one Iv seen at any top team atleast and I watch for quite some time
Well I think Nos is best, certainly better then the forum warriors in here

I didn’t mean to say that Nos is bad, but there are a lot of necros that simply aren’t as popular as him. This is mostly due to the fact that Nos plays with Abjured, but honestly, there must be hundreds of necros who could easily take his place.
Also, there simply is no best player at any class in gw2 because the game isn’t that hard or complicated and the player base huge.

That being said, I’ve watched Nos’ stream, I’ve met him on his EU account a couple of times… and in my oppinion there are several necros I’d rather play with instead of him. And those are just the ones I know of, I’m sure there are many players all over the world who are completely unknown but can easily keep up with a well known necro like Nos.

hundreds of better necros huh? sure you are definitely one of them am i right!? what team you play on?

ANYWAY

Necro has kitten defense that doesn’t scale with garbage mobility – we can all agree

So why are we not doing ridiculous burst damage? The condi build needs to be UNNERFED – a class with garbage defense should have ridiculous offense which it doesn’t

Scepter 2/Staff 2/Terror/Staff 4/Dhuumfire

Give it back Anet

So if you get CC’ed 4 times within 3 seconds it actually takes effect? It’s essentially perma stab and a buff I would say

dope video man dem stuns

He’s actually right though

Deathmatch needs to be an option – no objectives

It would easily be the most popular game mode

What do Mesmers,Ranger,Necro have in common? Bad healing/sustain with burst builds and thus no viable spec with celestial amulet

Not a coincidence that these classes require more peels and team synergy aka hard work

Not a coincidence that these classes are not wanted and self sustaining classes are more wanted aka easier to make work

Best part of this thread is a bunch of NOBODIES saying shoutbow is a bad build

It’s not like one of the meta defining builds at the moment

It’s not like one of the best players in the world just won a tournament worth $25k using this build

Buff shoutbow

hybrid.5027:

Narkodx.1472:

That was an amazing wall of text – too bad it is literally pointless

Why are people elitist about PvE? I can do PvE in clerics gear and physical utilities and no trait points

Do you hold any speed clear records? Has your guild won any of the competitive pve tournaments? Ofcourse the answer is no. The better question is, could you do those things if you really wanted to and actually tried?

Counter question – Have you ever even pressed the PvP button or do you only fight AI?

lol dude is high and mighty about stacking and pressing hundred blades on stationary AI

add me in-game and duel me I am not interested in your speed runs and never will be

The only people who win money in this game are PVP PLAYERS and rightfully so – They don’t send dungeon runners to CHINA boy

Keep running the dungeons that ANET never even updates and be “competitive” about it

That was an amazing wall of text – too bad it is literally pointless

Why are people elitist about PvE? I can do PvE in clerics gear and physical utilities and no trait points

Seems like you missed the most important part of Ether Feast – Heal per active Illusion

Mantra Heal too slow and only good with 3 casts traited
Mirror is more used for the reflect a utility heal
Signet Heal is too low also big CD – better traited

Ether Feast is easily the best heal with no investment

Tempest.4507:

you still take full damage from anything and if you have any damaging conditions ppl can still see you because of floating damage numbers)

Guess how I know that this is a L2P issue?

Jim Hunter.6821:

Jana.6831:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Jana.6831:

The Point was “All thieves have got tons of evades, teleports, blinding poweder, stealth” to which I answered that if a thief has got this and that he can’t have the other 2, at least not “tons of it”.

And you were proven wrong, yet you still somehow believe that don’t you?

No, I haven’t been proven wrong, sorry.
But I did prove that you have got no clue about thieves and that was what I wanted.
So, I’m good.

Was that in the post where you didn’t realize dagger/pistol had teleports?

Some people are good at the game and others aren’t – the latter group relies on the class being “broken” to explain why they get shrekt

I will continue to use my Thief and win most of my 1v1’s while laughing at these threads

Bottom line -don’t argue with the badddies

It doesn’t matter what you consider a teleport

The game says they are so they are

The blind that accompanies shadow shot is defensive – it is also unblockable FYI

LOL this guys is hilarious

steal doesnt teleport
shadowshot doesnt teleport

D/P meta build with 6 in shadow arts has interrupts condition removal teleports stun breakers etc etc

How long you been playing this game?

Jana.6831:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Jana.6831:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Jana.6831:

Jim Hunter.6821:

I’ve played my thief enough to learn how to manage my initiative in a 1v1. If you can’t do that then you are being outplayed, don’t blame the whole profession because you are getting outplayed.

I very much doubt that.

Provide a valid reason why thieves are bad in a 1v1 fight. All you are doing is claiming they are bad because you said so. If you fight like you argue then it is no surprise you can’t 1v1.

True in this thread I answered you just like you claimed – so you say “They can beat everybody (without giving any reason)” I say "They can’t (also without giving a reason because you gave none and because you don’t seem to know the class, so it would be an aweful lot of explaining and that for someone who obviously doesn’t want to hear it (you)).

From 2 separate posts
“multiple useful stun breaks that are also gap openers/closers, we can pretty much just shrug off immobilize and we can maintain stealth long enough to fully heal without ever leaving combat.”

" a crap ton of evades, blinds, interrupts, and easy access to stealth."

I get the impression that you believe the only way to 1v1 is to go 100% glass and instantly burst someone down, and since the crit nerf that isn’t easy to do. What you fail to realize is the best 1v1 classes are the ones with high sustain. Thieves sustain comes from using hit and run tactics which thieves are amazing at for all the reasons I listed above.

Feel free to respond with something valid.

Ask me as a former soldier’s thief and ask any thief who tried to survive (me) as a non glasscannon – you can’t survive as a tanky thief since april last year.
Not every thief has got access to all these things you’ve mentioned, so you have to sacrifice stuff in order to get other stuff. I know that that’s the case for all classes but a thief who’s got stun breaker, stun, interrupt and teleports has got no condi removal. A thief with lots of blinds has got condi removal but only one possible interrupt (basilisk venom) – So I think that thief has got to sacrifice too much to get some utility and that’s deadly against some other classes in a 1vs1 scenario (engineer, elementalist, medi guard Edit: Oh, I forgot necro. Some are rather good and know what they’re doing and in that case the stolen skill isn’t enough).
Better?

Did you just say SOLDIERS Thief? LMFAO

Shiyo.3578:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Shiyo.3578:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Thief isn’t bad, people are just upset that you can’t spike someone down the way you used to. It actually takes a little more skill to fight. You have a crap ton of evades, blinds, interrupts, and easy access to stealth. Once you learn how to use those it is almost impossible to die in a 1v1 fight.

Thief is intentionally designed to be the worst 1v1 class in the game by the devs.

Well then they failed because it is incredibly easy to reset the fight and hit your opponent over and over until they make a mistake or have needed skills on cooldown.

No, thief is the worst 1v1 class in the entire game. If you’re losing to a thief it’s you, unless they’re s/d or p/d, but you can just run from p/d and they can’t stop you, and s/d is extremely weak in group pvp and does very low damage. Can probably run away from s/d too, honestly, you’ll probably get to a tower/keep before they can kill you.

nope… you’re bad and that’s ok

Just pick a different class

The vast majority of players have already spoken on this issue and the verdict is in – KARMA TRAIN FTW

Sorel.4870:

I play with a, let’s put it that way, skittish internet connexion. This double loading screen has caused me to spill tea, coffee, water and other beverages, and to wake up my flatmate and neighbors at inappropriate hours with a raging roar. My mouse now look like something ripped off the Black Citadel, and my left fist left a permanent print on my desk. PLEASE make it stop. People like me who live in a third world country (Sweden) should be able to enjoy the game as well. Thank you.

LOL

Sweden third world country!?

That high quality of life doe

When I press my utility skill I want to be unstoppable – why have boon strip and counterplay that is obviously stupid

I AM A WARRIOR I WILL NOT BE STOPPED

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/What-makes-you-log-out-for-the-day/first#post4828297

same kitten happens to me daily I stopped Qing solo

I REFUSE to to play this game with morons – for some reason they think they should be playing ranked instead of practice or unranked which blows my mind

Warrior must be brave and courageous!

Strong like bull!

FEAR ME! – Makes player Alt+F4 and cry at the sheer braveness of all warriors

Warrior can only be norn and charr maximum height no puny human asura or salads

- DarkSyze 2015

Donkeyhacks.4391:

Im in ranked not hotjoin
for now:
/thread
+1 sarcasm

You shouldn’t go anywhere near the ranked button

excellent game play gj

Absconditus.6804:

jportell.2197:

Absconditus.6804:

Definitely helps against a lot of thieves too, as they tend to attack in rapid succession, making a strung out Diversion pretty effective. Not going to help against every Thief, but a whole bunch of them blow themselves up when interrupted. I’d say Masterful Reflection is another oft overlooked trait as well, that can actually help a whole lot in PvP.

Masterful reflection is my favorite trait (outside of iPersona/DE of course). Nothing better than having a LB rapid fire ranger blow himself up. Then hate whisper you for playing something cheesy.

I know, right? It’s also hilarious to cause Longbow Warriors to Immobilize themselves, D/P Thieves to Blind themselves when they try using a Shadow Shot to get close to you, Necromancers to hit a whole bunch of their skills back at themselves. The list goes on. It’s a really fun and useful trait in PvP. I also like how it’s very visually distinct that you have traited it, so the enemy can counter play on it when they see it activated. Pretty sure the sound effect is slightly changed too.

LOVE masterful reflection but condi necro specifically does not have many projectiles contrary to popular belief

Only staff auto attack is a projectile the marks are not and the auto attack aint killing anybody

all of the scepter attacks are not projectiles only dagger#4 is but that doesn’t really stack condis on you its a blind/transfer

lifeblast on condi spec does nothing and dark path is unblockable – does it get reflected?

I love all your suggestions most would be quite welcomed IMO

I always felt Dark Path should be like Ride the Lightning that is a good suggestion

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Things like this:

LOL

was he a warrior using 5 signets and a great sword? his way of speaking looks familiar

Swim.6830:

Arken.3725:

Narkodx.1472:

LOL

That’s why these discussions are useless

Some say Celestial OP nerf the amulet
Some say Engi/Ele OP nerf traits/weapons/skills
Some say Sigils and Runes are OP nerf those

Who actually has factual evidence with numbers of what is actually OP? ANET

I have some facts right here.

Ele: These are just SOME of the examples.

-At least 65% up time on vigor/regen/protection/swiftness/might
-Access to significant amounts of CC (Frozen burst, chill aura, shocking aura, updraft, magnetic grasp, earth quake)
-Highest AoE burn up time in the game with little-to-no investment involved(drake’s breath)

Engineer: Again, just SOME of the examples

-Highest block up time of any profession
-Instant-ranged KB that also cures movement-impeding effects.
-Little-to-no visual representation when spamming grenades at feet.
-Uncounterable application of burning upon crit.
-Excellent mobility due to 100% up time of swiftness.

These are just some examples from the two apex predators on top of them being inherently tanky(due to celestial or rabid for Condition Engineer).

Edit: I hope we never focus on a meta to where every profession can utilize celestial efficiently, this leads to a very boring meta where setting up burst will be insignificant and long, drawn-out fights will reign supreme. We need to go back to the Zerker meta.

If I started listing all specific things all classes can do when specced correctly, we’d be here all day. Elementalists has been nerfed into the ground since BETA because people can’t learn to play… You might as well list mesmer there because they have too many “get out of jail” cards /s…

If classes with high base HP can get amulets that compliment perfectly their stats for a build, why should classes which are in the middle or less get the shaft for their builds?

Whether the devs intended, the facts are that every class has a weakness and you can’t just pick the golden class and build to beat them all. All builds and classes have a compromise (thieves have easier time vs some classes, warriors vs others and so on). I am not saying what you are if you disregard this fact – I am nice like that.

Arken – You have to say WHY those things are OP and argue why the devs simply did not intend elementalist/engineer to be that way

The way Elementalists specifically invest their traits it seems intended to have high boon uptime cleanses and heals – 6 in water/arcana

- Elementalist has definitely not be nerfed into the ground and your bias is showing you should relax yourself

10000/10000

Amazing

Swag

It’s not turret engis – it’s not OP D/D ele – it’s not skyhammer – it’s not getting 500-0ed against a premade on courtyard -

The thing that truly grinds my gears is having the 5 signet great sword warrior on my team and then him calling everyone noobs after we get destroyed

Or having that awesome condi thief with 3 venoms in a RANKED game – WTF!?

Nothing is more OP than these garbage players – Playing this game solo in PvP is no longer fun and simply infuriating – If I do not have players to party with I no longer Q which is sad

LOL

That’s why these discussions are useless

Some say Celestial OP nerf the amulet
Some say Engi/Ele OP nerf traits/weapons/skills
Some say Sigils and Runes are OP nerf those

Who actually has factual evidence with numbers of what is actually OP? ANET

I have yet to see a thread where the OP made any sense

GG

Assassin X.8573:

Narkodx.1472:

Assassin X.8573:

I’ve been playing warrior since beta. I spend most of my time in WvW, that is the basis of theory crafting starts for this build. [b]T.

Why do you still skill click “since beta”

because i do? what is wrong with clicking?

No wonder you posted this build lol

Serious question?

I mean it all makes sense if you think clicking is viable why you would think this build is viable as well

This is how you break the servers

500 MM necros spamming staff marks – wtf is happening

GG Necro OP

Assassin X.8573:

I’ve been playing warrior since beta. I spend most of my time in WvW, that is the basis of theory crafting starts for this build. [b]T.

Why do you still skill click “since beta”

Solo Roam daily on SoS

But you’re right the server is mostly terribad oceanic zerglings

FinalPatriot.8034:

Narkodx.1472:

Why invest in healing when you can just kill people – Thief isn’t a healer

The healing idea is for the sustain. When I’m roaming around, I almost NEVER get into a 1v1 where some other fool doesn’t show up and cause trouble. Even in duels I run into this problem. As such, I’m often forced to stealth and then reset the fight again.

My hope was with a build like this that I would be able to apply lots of pressure while constantly regenerating my own health.

I currently play something similar using celestial/traveler’s runes with the skills you mentioned. It’s decent enough and has great survivability but just doesn’t put enough pressure on folks.

Play more thief – healing power won’t do kitten for sustain that DIRE does not do better

Healing Power barely effects Thief skills – Healing Signet is absolute trash and unviable against players

The best way to sustain in a fight as a Thief is to avoid/negate damage with deception utilities and overall good fight awareness positioning

Healing Power won’t help you like it helps an Elementalist or Guardian- don’t tank damage and heal you AVOID damage as much as possible as Thief

So it is just like the meta condi roamer except you have subpar utilities and subpar armor

Dire is better than Apoth

Withdraw/His SS/Powder/Refuge

Why invest in healing when you can just kill people – Thief isn’t a healer

Same thread we have one guy saying they are useless in 1v1 and one guy saying they are op in 1v1

It is somewhere between those two

Shadow Refuge is easily one of the top 10 utility skills in the game

You can evade inside a shadow refuge – pro tip

If your guild mates refuse to run a dngeon with you while you are on Necro then you need new friends

Necro DPS is not that bad – the fact they have no unique party buffs and reflects is what makes them bad

Back in the day I ran dungeons with a full rabid necro LOL

You guys still play necro!?

I stopped torturing myself honestly every other class is easier right now – When I play shoutbow I have no idea what conditions are they fly off so fast

Necro hasn’t caught up with all the buffs the other classes have been getting

Dhuumfire really killed the class and it hasn’t recovered from all the nerfs

You should try keybind and running viable builds… hard to watch really bad mechanical skill

I still dominate every single night solo roaming on my thief

Full zerk armor and strength runes – nearly full zerk trinkets and weapons – you decide how much tankyness you need with valk and cav

D/P – 2/0/6/0/6
S/D – 2/0/0/6/6

P/D is always my offhand the bow is garbage in a 1v1 and really serves no purpose outside of a zerg IMO – I can escape without infiltrators arrow so that is useless and I do not need AoE or poison I use a doom sigil on my pistol + bloodlust you always go air/fire on your main set

Thief used to be easy but it’s not easy anymore and if you go out there SOLO without points in SA/Acro + Trickery than expect death – 2/6/0/0/6 is trash in WvW when you run into uneven numbers constantly and condition builds

Practice and Experience will lead you to victory the build simply puts you on the same playing ground but winning is all skill

DarkSyze.8627:

If there is no challenge after might nerf, answer is No!

Nerf mean serious change to make challenge, No challenge= No serious change

What is it with you and this “challenge” stuff… I do not think you know what this really means

On topic – The might nerf was minor and damage is not the reason those build are “meta”

I feel like those builds are dominating in their specific role which is team support and point holding – they have plenty of condition clears and heals which has nothing to do with might

Medi Guard with 4 points in virtues should have plenty of condition clears

IP/Executioner/HK and the entire CS line is actually not even that good!

How about that! It is mostly because of the bad adept/master traits when you compare it to great traits like Mug/Embrace/Power of Inertia/Vig Recov

Critical Haste? Practiced Tolerance? Garbage

Full zerker with SA/Acro + Trickery is better 2/0/0/6/6 and 2/0/6/0/6

YES

Lets make it solo and premade ONLY two q’s plus custom arenas

Lets also get rid of leader board and be honest about the competitive state of this game

Forget ranked and unranked – the bad players go into ranked and do their dailies regardless of what you call it so kitten it