Guild Wars 2

pierwola.9602:

Bweaty.9187:

Attrition, extending fights each second making the necro stronger. = Worst attrition in game.

From my point of view we have the best attrition in the game, personally i dont know a class/build that can out last me in “long” 1v1 fights and when it comes to small scale fights better think twice before you target me.

Absolutely no chance Necromancer has the best attrition in the game out of all professions

Where do you get sustained healing from? Every class has better options

Where do you mitigate damage from? No vigor blocks etc etc every class has better options

Shout Celestial Warr – Shadow Arts Condi Thief – Celestial Engi/Ele – Survival Condi Ranger – PU Mesmer – Almost every Guardian build is better as well

All those builds/classes heal and mitigate damage infinitely more effective than Necro

Kain Francois.4328:

Reminder: This topic exists solely to find out how a zerker necro + minions compare against the DPS against other classes.

I would like numbers, not opinions.

Please do not go off-topic from my thread just to show off builds that the topic discussion does not care about.

No one has numbers on a MM build because no one would ever consider it a competitive DPS build for PvE

Any build that invests in minions is automatically un-optimized for damage – there are far better traits for damage and far better utilities for damage

So? Play MM if you want to have fun but it is nowhere near optimal DPS

Why is this thread still here?

Average player on a bunker/celestial class > average player on thief

Also the D/D Thieves with dual incinerator and t3 cultural armor who come from WvW looking to pwn

Those are the two main reasons for this phenomena

Depends on the rest of your build

Night/Force do NOT stack – no controversy

So many people in this game are unaware that fighting on a point you do not own is not a good idea unless you are going to win

So many people in this game are unaware that LOS and constant movement renders turrets useless – the turret must first turn to face you and then it fires – gives you a window to dodge the net turret which is what kills most people

I think the actual turrets have a bit too much health but otherwise not much of an issue IMO once you learn how to outsmart the AI

Holl.3109:

Narkodx.1472:

I didnt see you use my favorite combo

Grasp into Dagger#3

The tile does not even need to be broken before-hand as they sit there helpless

I think you may have not watched far enough into the vid, I did use that combo with a pesky D/D ele who thought he was really cool with his meta might stacking build :P

LOL

skyhammer and spectral grasp keeping meta builds in there place – with the wurms

I didnt see you use my favorite combo

Grasp into Dagger#3

The tile does not even need to be broken before-hand as they sit there helpless

I like you OP did not want to do sPvP because I wanted to use my special snowflake build

1500+ tournament games later I realized I was simply being carried by the stats

Playing without over powered stats is not easy but it will make you a better player I promise

The WvW builds simply maintain zerker type burst but pad it with 3k toughness and other sustain that is not viable or possible in PvP

I am still not home to test this but could it be that Deathly Swarm has a cast time of 1/4 second as opposed to the other skills have 3/4 second cast time – The fact that deathly swarm is faster and has less of a “wind-up” probably makes it get cancelled by slower skills… gonna have to test when I get home

zapv.8051:

This is the hybrid build I’ve been running, the idea is too deal good sustained damage with bleeds and dagger, then abuse fear to relieve pressure.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRAQNAW4Yjc0UdbtNG3wfjighSyV4DgqLjsBCAK/ioA-TJxHwADeCAa2fAwFBoYZAA

I like this and I run almost the same thing except I do not run anything in death magic

2/6/0/0/6 – death perception and spectral attunement

More overall damage but obviously less defense but I feel with two stun breaks it is enough + auto spectral armor

I still think as a Necro celestial mightstacking type builds don’t do enough damage anyway because Soldiers Hambow and other similar type of builds take too kitten long for me while wearing celestial but maybe thats just me

uberkingkong.8041:

Just having a random 1v1 tournament that probably had only 20 participants doesn’t make them the best at 1v1. Theres millions of players in the game. Around 20 people is a tiny fraction of types of playstyle and skills the other 999,980+ people have to offer.
Also theres no videos of this either in this thread. How can we judge them if we don’t even know who they faced? each other?

No brackets or any proof, just information that’s not really valid is all I’m seeing here.

Do you realize how lost you are?

This is not the result of a 1v1 tournament lol

Kako.1930:

Hm, so you wouldn’t say calling someone a moron or claiming that they haven’t played for more than 4 months, are a WVW/hotjoin hero, and said that xxx is OP and the game takes no skill when you know nothing about the person is offensive?

Sorry, but I see it happening on the forums a lot, and when you try to invalidate other peoples’ opinions by claiming that they’re just scrubs that don’t know what they’re talking about, it only makes you look like a jerk.

You can try to cover it up with cluelessness and sexist comments, but it is what it is. Putting other people down doesn’t make you look stronger or more competent. :/

No one was talking about you… this is more in reference to the guy with a tapdatmouse obsession

What’s a hunter!? This will be difficult to do considering what I do against a Hambow warrior won’t be the same thing I do against a condi SS/Bow warrior

Even if you limit it to meta tpvp specs only there are certain builds you won’t and can’t 1v1 – D/P thief wants to enter an even fight and make it uneven by bursting someone down quickly

Oh I see I misunderstood

You’re saying Feast of Corruption interrupts any skill currently being casted? Including utilites or just weapon skills? Heal and Elite?

Guess I would have to test this but I never truly noticed

Castrin.8972:

Narkodx.1472:

When you want to disengage just click on the ground to de-target

I think that is incorrect. It de-highlights the current target but the targeting is still there. The reason I say this is that when attacking and you try to select something 2-5 but due to range or LoS block you accidentally target a friendly the auto attack seems to continue.

The only way I know of to fully disengage is to press ESC. Sometimes you have to quick spam it due to attack timing. Binding the ESC to a mouse button (if you have a gaming mouse) would work I should think.

Peace.

I think it depends if you have auto target on/off

I have it off and it works for me

When you want to disengage just click on the ground to de-target

Conncept.7638:

Roe.3679:

Conncept.7638:

Necro axe isn’t solely underpowered because of its poor power scaling, it is underpowered because it is condi/power, and there is no way to efficiently build for both condition duration and power, as well as vulnerability itself being really poor compared to the defensive boons it has to deal with. 25 stacks of a very difficult to maintain condition are more than nullified by a single boon which at least two classes can have up at all times.

It’s not condi/power. It applies no damaging conditions. It’s weak because it deals weak damage and has little utility.

I didn’t specify condition damage, the axe is meant to be indirect and attrition damage, relying on vulnerability from its auto and retaliation. Except because of the eternally poor acquisition of condition duration it can’t maintain a reasonable amount of stacks, not to mention the poor performance of vulnerability even if maintained.

I see where you’re coming from but I will disagree

Condition Duration should not be the problem considering the Spite line is Power/Con Duration which is also the trait line containing Axe Mastery so you should be invested there in Axe builds

Stacking Vuln is actually not terrible on the Axe anymore due to the much faster/fluid animation of Rending Claws

The actual damage on paper of the axe is pretty good the problem comes in actual combat – Axe is simply too slow for the fast paced action of GW2 and relying on a long channel Ghastly Claws for damage is unacceptable – also why would you tie the burst skill and the sustain skill all in one – I think the auto attack should be the LF generator

NeXeD.3042:

All the players on those lists are most definitely skilled players, OEggs teamqued with us (FPX)the other day and we were destroying people mostly because he would plant his kitten at far and proceed to 1v2 1v3 the other team giving us the advantage on every other point.

I always find it amusing when people decide that these players aren’t skilled and that random guy they know from solo q is so much better than all of them but cannot break into tourneys because it’s some sort of secret society or popularity contest. Morons.

Those of us who have been PvPing for more than a few months know this and I completely agree

The fools who come in here and talk kitten are WvW/Hotjoin heroes

These same players claim the game takes no skill and that xxx is OP

Its easier to believe those things than it is to get good

LOL

Is the skill broken or do you not know what is going on? Dagger 4 has a cast time which is why it gets interrupted

Well since you’re short on time – lets do this immediately

Why?

Isn’t it obvious? SEX

Attractive Human Female Assassin Archetype

Thread title says top 20 but I only see top 15

:)

Why you edit!? Wheres Backpack on the list!?

So warrior went from 12k dps to 11.5k dps with banners untouched and we have 3 pages worth of discussion on how warriors are broken in PvE

WORD

Pretty sure no sigil applies burning – it would be insanely overpowered

Anchoku.8142:

Narkodx.1472:

Anchoku.8142:

Roe, the example I gave was from PvE but I still think changing the trait to a very short Fear and long stun is worth considering for PvP. I do not want to have to burn Dark Path because of my own CC. I have enough trouble closing gaps for dagger as it is. Knock-backs are fine for professions with combat mobility skills and more easily mitigated. Having to waste time and gamble DP or SG will actually work is already a pain.

What are you on about!? This trait is garbage for PvE you should not be using it nor should you be putting any points into death magic anyway

Five stacks of confusion is not garbage. Even then, I only said I used the trait on a perplexity build, did not like it very much due to its side effects, and suggested an improvement to the trait.

During ToT, I experimented with interrupts for perplexity in 6/4/4/0/0 and 6/6/0/0/2. Feel free to give me suggestions but do not tell me what I can, and cannot, do

Edit: I hope we can all agree RP is sub-par without some damaging proc on the skill. Plain Fear w/o Terror or confusion on RP is annoying for its duration as a gap opener on a profession with only two mobility skills, no leaps, and no whirls. I <3 walls and cliffs for limiting flee distance or forcing a fight reset because the profession has precious little mobility.

Do not take offense to what I said you are free to use whatever you want this is a game first and fun is most important right

However I do not think most people will agree that Zerker Armor with Perplexity Runes and Reapers Protection is a good combination anywhere in the game especially in PvE

Mobs in PvE do not attack fast enough for confusion to be a solid source of DPS furthermore you are in zerker gear making your confusion tick for negligible amounts and finally Reapers Protection and death magic in general is not necessary in PvE where the only thing that truly matters is damage

But again do not take this offensively play what you like – I am simply stating it is not an optimal setup

NeXeD.3042:

I really don’t want to be a kitten but that build looks like it hits like a wet noodle besides the few fears. Could work if you had someone constantly giving you might stacks otherwise you would be 100% better off focusing on condi or power.

Indeed

1400 power and 700 condition dmg aint killing anyone

Strength Runes would help this build I do not see a reason for travelers especially since you have warhorn and spectral walk

How about team death match -

5 zerker thieves/mesmers shadow refuge/mass invis
Focus one player 5 backstabs/mind wracks dead player – stealth stomp
One of our teammaters died? Shadow Refuge mass res

Conquest is the only reason everyone does not play thief/mesmer
Capture Points are the only thing holding these classes back from dominating pvp

Lordrosicky.5813:

Its a mistake to create an unranked queue because it continues with a divided community. To continue with a divided community (which is very small anyway) whilst introducing more comprehensive matchmaking is a mistake.

It is a maths problem. The new algorithm for matchmaking will only work based on a large player pool. That will not be possible due to the splittng of queues.

The result is that the algorithm won’t work. People will just wait ages in solo queue and be put against premades.

They could of really given it a chance to produce a better pvp experience by removing unranked and just having practice play and rank queue. But as usual their oversight is they release no info until it is too late to take and act upon feedback. Which is a massive problem with how they approach their development generally.

I sort of agree splitting the player base in two pools instead of three is better but…

We are currently splitting the players into three pools – HJ-Solo-Team

But now with rewards and such for ladders people will probably not que unless they have their super team and are all but guaranteed a win – I think solo people queing up will become rare as people game the system but we can only hope it doesn’t become that way

Artaz.3819:

TheBlackLeech.9360:

Black Box.9312:

Full condi guardian. Er, I mean- Anet is advocating for it, so it must be a real thing, right?

PvP Medi Guard build

6) II VII XIII
2) III
6) I II XII
0
0

Krait Runes
Carrion Amulet
Doom and Geomancy on both weapon sets.

really strong

Really strong … on paper

The problem with the build is stickiness. It has no uptime on Swiftness and no way to keep opponents in melee range besides the a minor GS pull (which you need for the high condition damage), JI (used just to get to the opponent) and GS Leap once engaged. And as stated in this same thread, the lack of condition applying weapons (think spam 1 bleed/torment weapons on other classes) diminishes any pure condition build the Guard can have (see below though).

The second problem with the build (in addition to no stickiness) is that burn uptime is really based on you blocking at least some of the opponent strikes. If the opponent decides to run, you can’t really kill them.

IMO, the real power of a viable Guard condition build is actually using Tome of Wrath but it’s hard to get it and Elite Focus in a viable build together (not enough points) because ToW has Affliction and spam Conflagrate. But then it is entirely tied to the elite cooldown.

You are wrong on many levels it is not just strong “on paper”

Make your way to the King of the Hill duel servers and watch it in action – it literally destroys 90% of the zerker builds

Before you make any claims on the skill level of the people on that server please make your way over there and join the fight – plenty of high skilled players – especially in primetime

Jelzouki.4128:

Dirame.8521:

Necros Dagger and Axe are getting plenty of use. Power Necros are nothing to scuff at.

If we are talking about pve, necro mainhand dagger is good, but it can still use a faster cast time on dagger #2. On the otherhand, in PvP necro mainhand dagger doesn’t see a lot of play (once again buff dagger #2). Off hand dagger is good for blinding and condi transfer. Necro Axe auto attack is mediocre at best.

Necro mainhand dagger does not see play in PvP? What other weapon is a power necro gonna use? You are very wrong here

Dagger is not perfect but it is strong – as far as I know it has the strongest auto attack in the game which is enough of a reason to bring it plus the best life force gainer

Dagger #2 sucks we all know this – but when you are kiting and need some health this skill works the buffs weren’t amazing but it is indeed improved

Dagger #3 is pretty boss IMO – just needs a cooldown reduction or cast time reduction or something but Necros do not have a lot of CC on weapon sets so it is good for setting up anything you want as a power necro

The Axe still needs help but the auto attack is a lot faster and fluid – you can stack over 10 vuln pretty quickly now

Axe#2 is good for baiting dodges pretty much I prefer you dodge this so I can catch you with some life blasts later

Axe#3 is pure awesomeness nothing to talk about here

If any Necro weapon needs help it is the focus IMO

Eventually every weapon on every class will be listed as weak here by someone

Nice vid mad skillz yo

This one is better

I do not like that build for a few reasons

Power Sword build is better with arms IMO – specifically 5 points into arms is actually very useful as you should always have your enemy bleeding so nice extra 10% damage – You can then grab Forceful Greatsword and Hoelbrek Runes – Better than Melandru

Burst Mastery? Not necessary in my opinion – You want sword burst into hundred blades you use arcing slice when opponent is low on health you do not fully depend on your burst for damage only for control/condition cleansing all of your damage is mostly from GS skills 2/3/4/5 with the occasional final thrust if it crits and lands it is a true beast – swiftness up time is low you gotta roll with warriors sprint not signet mastery with all the leaps you will escape any bad situation

MethaneGas.8357:

Flow…. you honestly don’t know how to argue and frankly, you don’t know what you’re talking about. I am sorry.

A mild inconvenience? Sure, I am not the best PvPer in terms of tactics, hell, I just got into it, but it doesn’t matter whether I’m on point or off-point, if the trait saves a player (i.e. me, or a Necro from the first time stamp)…. that’s a player that’s ALIVE because of the trait. Is that so hard to compute? If the Necro dies, it suddenly becomes a 4v5 with a thief on the loose – a VERY bad outcome. If the Necro survives, it’s still a 5v5, and the thief can still stay on you but you had time to recover, which is fine.
-In the first clip, the Necro was ressing an ally. It was likely that they would both go down because of the thief cleave but instead, the thief gets feared all the way down the steps. Both people are alive because of one trait, gg.

In the other fights, negating a thief’s burst with 1 trait – let me emphasize … one trait – shouldn’t even be an argument. He won’t burst you down, he will instead take damage, and like in one of the clips… he used his utility skill (stun break) to break from my passive trait proc. So basically he wasted an utility skill for passive trait proc, another plus for me. Now if the team was more organized and we had TS and all that jazz, the thief would be in a very dangerous spot being feared for such a long time… and possibly without a stun break.

Also all of those situations happened in two PvP matches. In other words, within 30 mins of the game and already you can start seeing the trait’s usefulness. If you had Greater Marks you would hardly benefit in those 2 matches. You’d likely be dead.

Thanks for being unreasonable,

-Methane

anecdotal LOL

vincecontix.1264:

Josh Davis.6015:

The Glorious Hero’s Armor is a skill-based reward. I’d wager that the players who top the ladders are all skilled players in some regard.

If you don’t think they are, you have until Dec 2 to knock them out of the top 20.

Just for some clarification if we are top 20 at the time of the update we will get the reward?

If you are top 20 in solo/team q on December 2nd you get it

Well first of all Necro also has PoC every 15/12 seconds depending on trait it is not limited to Corrupt Boon only

I have fought this build before it is pretty good but you guys are overstating the damage – no one is going to get hit by chaos storm or staff auto attacks that often so there is a lot of damage and condition coverage – scepter is laughable damage wise if you know how to avoid the block and torch phantasm is useless – the entire build relies on shatters which are entirely avoidable

This build is easier to cleanse then necro/engi – this build is also weak against conditions a necro transfer pretty much ends your day

The AoE pressure from this build is trash Necro Staff+Sc+DS#4/5 and Engi Grenades is way better

Finally you can not hold a point as well because you stealth and are overall less tanky

dominik.9721:

Comeon guys it’s not that easy to evade you make beliefe of.
Ofc a S/D thief in a dueling arena giggles when he sees this animation but this shouldn’t be the benchmark.
To notice a pindown in a tpvp match is quite hard and I guess good reactions should get rewarded.

So I’m against a buff, allthough I understand your points.

Yeah basically

It is hard to gauge the skill in a 1v1 as he can focus on you and all your animations thus saving dodges for this skill

In a team fight dodging pin down is not as easy and they did change this for a reason because the skill is STILL ridiculously strong if it connects

Compare this to dagger#3 skill of a Necromancer – just as easy to dodge yet pindown is much stronger

Anchoku.8142:

Roe, the example I gave was from PvE but I still think changing the trait to a very short Fear and long stun is worth considering for PvP. I do not want to have to burn Dark Path because of my own CC. I have enough trouble closing gaps for dagger as it is. Knock-backs are fine for professions with combat mobility skills and more easily mitigated. Having to waste time and gamble DP or SG will actually work is already a pain.

What are you on about!? This trait is garbage for PvE you should not be using it nor should you be putting any points into death magic anyway

@flow – I really thought you were an asset to this community but you are nothing but an kitten with no coherent or sound arguments no one should be wasting their time arguing with you in this thread anymore – methanegas and roe are two players whom I know have plenty of PvP experience and they make well thought out arguments with pros and cons and you reply with stupid kitten like “anecdotal”

Arachnid.4062:

Aaron.2413:

“Because we’re transitioning how leaderboards are handled, we want to reward all the players who have fought their way to the top of the leaderboards in the old system. For your efforts, we’ll be awarding a piece of Glorious Hero’s armor to the top 20 players on both the solo and team arena leaderboards. "

Ummm Maybe you shud

You’re right, I just saw that. But, really, I’m just surprised someone is a big enough kitten to whine about this in the first place.

It kinda reminds me of PvErs whining about PvPers getting a legendary through the tournament of Glory.

Pretty much… who cares?

PvP players should be the last to care about cosmetics and looking special

All you had to do was press your elite button

LOL

Why are you talking about things that haven’t been released yet and assume you know how things will work?

It will all depend on how well the matchmaking algorithms will be – they will be taking into consideration pre-made teams and single players
If you Q up solo it should attempt to find solo players first – if you Q up in a group it should attempt to find pre-made teams first

Lets see how things pan out before we cry yeah?

The issue with this build is it moves slow and it kills slow – In a big team fight with a bunker guard and ele you can pretty much be ignored with all the cleansing and heals they can put out while they focus your squishy teammates

It also has almost no control or utility which other condition specs do – condi necro has plenty of fear and boon rip – what makes this build better than a condi necro/engi for example that justifies bringing it into a team

FINALLLLYYY!!

The tears of joy are flowing – maybe not

Seems like someone lit a fire under the pvp teams kitten s

If after some time of VIP membership (6 months or so) They rewarded you with a precursor it would sell strongly! Which would hopefully lead to more updates for the rest of us. Implement it!

Roundabout.1752:

caveman.5840:

etom is already a bad thing because it hurts EB/borderland population.

I’m just wondering how you figure EotM hurts EB/Borderland population? People who want to play EB/Borderlands will play there and people who have no intention of ever playing there but want to earn Badges and WvW exp. will play EotMs. Maybe I’m missing something?

When someone who does not normally play WvW considers entering it they will more often than not first choose EotM

This new player will then try EB and Borderlands and find the rewards to be worse as well as the overall fights more difficult with smaller or outnumbered groups

Once that distinction is realized venturing into EB and Borderlands becomes pointless and more of an effort than the relaxed nature of EotM

For the most part those who still go to borderlands and EB are not worried with rewards and are veteran players who understand the mindless nature of EotM

Both of those specs are good one has more utility with trickery the other has more damage with critical strikes – that is basically it

I prefer more utility and simply hate playing thief without 15 initiative the 3rd trait in trickery line

Try each build and you will find one which you prefer

Dirame.8521:

Black Box.9312:

vincecontix.1264:

Black Box.9312:

Full condi guardian. Er, I mean- Anet is advocating for it, so it must be a real thing, right?

Condi guards are actually quite scary I’d rather vs a medi guard.

mango.9267:

Black Box.9312:

Full condi guardian. Er, I mean- Anet is advocating for it, so it must be a real thing, right?

Carrion guards are actually a legitimate threat. The burns they dish out are insane, on top of the solid power damage they have.

Hybrid guard =/= full condi guard. The only DPS condition a guardian has is burning, and any build that has decent active cleansing can render it near useless.

/Sigh. If you haven’t played against the build or played the build, you won’t know. Even Eles can find condi guards hard to deal with.

The argument is that carrion guard is not really a full condi build and leans more towards hybrid – I have seen some run it with GS which is obv not a condi weapon

6/2/6/0/0 build is the one we are talking about I assume? It uses meditations as well and it is indeed quite strong but I would not really call it a condi build it definitely does decent physical damage

blickquickly.4168:

….why would they make a class no one will want to group with? WTH GW2 DEVS??

….Now Im thinking why play this class at all….

Why play a Necro? Hopefully you like it!

Keep in mind there are other parts to this game pvp/wvw where necros have a place in any group and are quite useful!

As long as you play with guildies/friends/casuals you should not be getting kicked out for being a Necro

Krait>Nightmare>Undead