Guild Wars 2

If you use the meta shout build you can hold out against a condi engi for a VERY long time

Even if you can not defeat them in the 1v1 which you should be able to with the meta build you should hold out long enough for a team mate to help you

Shoutbow healing and condi removal is absurd

Banner build is nowhere near as good it gets completely countered by poison which you can not remove actively

2 years later and people still don’t know how to deal with clones

2 years later and people still keyboard turn/tab target

2 years later and people still need to L2P

fracture.9754:

leman.7682:

Nothing new. I advice you to stay away from this game for now but come back on the 13th of January to see if PvE gets anything interesting with the Season 2 finale. I’m playing Diablo 3 at the moment and it’s greatly refreshing – compared to GW2 it is actually fun.

Cheers!

Yeah don’t worry, once you’ll learn you need a full set with good stats roll in D3 for T6 you’ll lose some interest. If not, you’ll grind to it for hours on end, only to reach the build where T6 becomes such a faceroll you’ll play it while watching movies. Then, you notice a pattern – you’re literally grinding for 0.1% stats increases. Coming from D3 after 1.5k hours with all classes/all genders (yes, that’s 12 chars) at max level to this game trust me, D3 offers a fraction of content this game does. You’ll be bored out of your mind soon enough.

EDIT: Before you mention greater rifts – they’re based primarily and mostly on LUCK (RNG), then heavily on gear (and gear translates literally into the number of hours you’ve played).

LOL @ D3

One of the worst grind fests I have ever experienced

Are you married to dual daggers? You will find it infinitely easier using a pistol in your off-hand for the blind and interrupt

D/D is for WvW utilizing a lot of stealth which is useless in conquest since you can not capture a point while in stealth

Is this your first toon? I would advise against using a Thief to learn the game you will hate your life

Try a Ranger if it is your first class

This is the only trap that has potential to be useful it should be fixed to be more reliable

The only useful utilities for thieves has been deceptions/signets since the beginning

Build Diversity Anet!

Inspiring Battle Standard grants perma regen to yourself and your friends when using a Banner

Amulet would be soldier/settler

Build varies but 6 in tactics is the base of the build with 4/6 in defense it is very tanky

They should give you little hints like this while you wait for the queue

What else are you going to do sitting in the mists?!

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

NeXeD.3042:

Really seems like a lot of people aren’t very familiar with either class or at least not as far as the boon hate goes…. you would think everyone would familiarize themselves with something that could counter engis and eles.

If mesmers weren’t hard countered by thieves and necros weren’t hard countered by the braindead cele builds you would be seeing a lot more of them. I also agree that both of their boon removals are not good enough. Boons should be something that should be used at the right time, not just spammed in a rotation to have it permanently.

Agreed

Since we probably can’t go back and fix this boon spam we should create removal spam

Larcenous back to removing 2 boons
Corrupt Boon removes everything again increase cooldown to 60?

Add new abilities as well

You have to click on them and not tab target

It’s not that hard to understand

Backpack only queues with his esports buddies so he only gets +1 everytime he wins because he probably has a 99% win chance

Lexi only solo queues so she gains 2/3 when she beats premades every now and then
Also gains +1 when she queues against a strong premade and still hits the point threshold

What is so hard to understand? Maybe you should solo q if you want more points

No question we have the worst defensive traits in the game

I literally like all of your changes and would consider investing into BM or DM with it but I am not sure that it changes our sustain-less situation

ANET CHRISTMAS PRESENTS!

Arvizal.8436:

Hmm…I was looking at some gameplay of D/P and people seem to only use #5 and #1 and the occasional #1 for a backstab. I don’t really like the gameplay, unless I’m mistaken, because you rely heavily on stealth. I think I’ll stick with P/D, sorry heh

Thanks for all the input!

That’s cuz they’re bad

Good D/P thieves make use of Headshot and Shadowshot

Play what is most fun to you but if anything P/D only uses 1/5 with the occassional 3
Rarely will you use 2 or 4

I think these weapons complement each other nicely and run both from time to time

But yea D/P > P/D any day of the week

A well played D/P is unbeatable IMO

I like full zerker running trickery AND shadow arts

That’s where the moneys at IMO

2/0/6/0/6

There are two ways to kill Cele Engi/Ele/Warr

Burst or Condis

This build has neither

That’s all there really is to it – sadly power ranger IMO will never have its day in this game – Mes/Thief is simply superior

At least in a Condition build 2/0/6/6/0 you can stalemate with an Ele/Engi/Warr while your team comes to rotate and help you out

Sorrowsthief.6472:

The whole idea behind my theory crafting was to get perma regen and swiftness from guard. I have reworked it to include empathic bond and the signet that cures a condition every ten seconds. To me it looks solid on paper. Has high power
40% crit chance, over 500 healing and high toughness. I went with ranger runes for the extra percesion. What do you guys think? http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQNAsXRnEqQvg2wC+rARLGwSoafABQB8aHcvBRwFXwqG-TFDBABmqyAU7PYkSOMOCAScIACSdGAeAAOY+LF9BUoEcVlDZcCAIFgeKjA-w

Yeah much better you should have success with this

Signet of Stone is good but another stunbreaker like Lightning Reflexes might be better since your only stun breaker is also your only active condition cleanse which you should ideally save for a condi bomb

goodluck

Chaith.8256:

Churning Earth hits you for…

That’s how you know you got outplayed!

Truer words have never been said

Is this practice mode?

I just watched you down three people and turned it off

I’ve seen AI better than these players lol

Nice job?

PS – ROM did not make this build

Sorrowsthief.6472:

what if i use two sigils of gromancy on crit transfer conditions ?

You mean Generosity

Those are pretty expensive and simply remove 1 condition on weapon swap which is every 9 seconds

Considering an Engi can put 3 conditions on you with the press of one button you can see that Generosity is simply a supplement against conditions not a solution

Keep this in mind: What is your goal with this build and where are you going to use it?

If you are going to roam solo you will get rekt there are a ton of condition builds out there that will expose you if you are alone including Perplexity Thief/Engi/Necro/Mes

If you are going to roam in a group than it can work as long as you have good teammates to heal and cleanse condis for you like guardians

If you are going to stick to large scale zerging than it is fine as you should be surrounded by many guardians and elementalists cleansing and healing

Double bow is fun but vastly inferior to having a bow/melee

I prefer the sword over the GS but that is a personal thing

Full traps is highly questionable in a power build you need your utilities to help you survive like Lightning Reflexes and Signet of Stone

Ditch the travelers runes use pack/hoelbrek

^ guy above me pretty much nails it

You will do well against melee/physical damage builds – Like a Thief

Ranged and condition builds will tear you apart – Like a Engi

If I was fighting this build with a condition build like a necro/engi I would simply apply poison to negate your regen and kite you to death – you can’t cleanse anything and your gap closers would be rendered useless by applying cripple/chill

Nature’s Bounty is unnecessary in this build I would take something else you have perma regen with just shout master + guard

Torch in a power build? I would look at maybe the horn or axe
I would also take the points out of skirmishing and go into Wilderness for empathetic bond to clear some condis
Finally I would add the Longbow instead of one of the sets I feel like you need range but if you get more condi removal than your gap closers will be effective

Does anyone remember the ninja nurse!?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Return-of-the-Ninja-Nurse

Jugglemonkey.8741:

Keyboardwarrior.8021:

What a touching statement, but hummm… every one has a keyboard can type these kitten. Show some proof or don’t BS here, you can take multiple players at the same time with no SA setup. this is the biggest word I read so far on this forum.

Winning fights vs multiple players is more than doable without SA, it’s just harder and involves a lot more kiting. Just because you personally can’t do it, doesn’t mean it’s not possible.

Keyboardwarrior.8021:

Narkodx.1472:

You obviously are a new player – You are using shadows rejuv in pvp

You have no basis to make any claims about the balance of this game

well, 26600 build is one of the major build in pvp, same as 20606, you are probably a new player here, look around this forum, you will find a lot people talking about 26600 build.

Actually, those are major builds for WvW as stealth is stupidly good for that game mode and because damage is higher in WvW due to equipment choices not being as limited. These two things make these builds viable where they may not be otherwise.

PvP has its own meta based on the fact that stealth actually hurts your teams’ performance in a point capture based game. Try 2/6/0/0/6, 6/0/2/0/6 or 5/6/0/0/3 for D/P, depending on what works better for you and for your team.

This guy breaks it down for you

Keyboardwarrior.8021:

Narkodx.1472:

You obviously are a new player – You are using shadows rejuv in pvp

You have no basis to make any claims about the balance of this game

well, 26600 build is one of the major build in pvp, same as 20606, you are probably a new player here, look around this forum, you will find a lot people talking about 26600 build.

Every single time you respond you cement the fact you are a noob

No top player uses Shadow Arts in pvp – this is NOT wvw

Only like 3 out of 11 were funny

Try harder next time

I currently run celestial on my d/d thief and I win almost all of my fights against randoms in practice mode.

10/10 would read again

Ego inflation? I can’t think of anything else TBH

Unranked is pretty casual I do not expect to win when I hit that button so I wouldn’t mind you learning the ropes there while you gain some reward track progression

You obviously are a new player – You are using shadows rejuv in pvp

You have no basis to make any claims about the balance of this game

Until you can press one button on shortbow and do 10k damage from 1500 range people will think its weak – stupid longbow!

SBow is my fav weapon in the game its so smooth

LOL WTF !?

10/10

Satch is the man <3

Siobhan.3582:

zapv.8051:

Siobhan.3582:

hits as hard as dagger.

That is blatantly not true. Also, the game isn’t balanced around wvw it is balanced around pvp where axe is very poor.

The game is not balanced about PvP.. That is the LAST area of the game that they use for balance..

Axe is 100% viable for wvw and pve.. So fine in 2/3 of the game.

no… you’re wrong the game actually is balanced with PvP in mind

Axe is “viable” anywhere in the game

The main problem is the Axe is not OPTIMAL in any part of the game

zapv.8051:

Siobhan.3582:

hits as hard as dagger.

That is blatantly not true. Also, the game isn’t balanced around wvw it is balanced around pvp where axe is very poor.

The only time axe is useful is in a zerg v zerg scenario where jumping in melee with a dagger is essentially suicide you can always just Lifeblast/Wells from range anyway

Axe needs more than just damage – it will always be inferior to dagger as far as damage is concerned which is why it should have something else like better utility aka Whirl Finisher for #2 and Blast Finisher for #3

D/P Shadow Arts
2/6/6/0/0
0/6/6/2/0
2/0/6/0/6

D/P Trickery
2/6/0/0/6
6/0/2/0/6

The major difference between pvp/wvw is disengaging when the battle is lost because you simply won’t be running into even numbers and many times will run into a zerg which means stealth and escape also perplexity dire and other BS condi builds are mostly an impossible battle against condis unless you have full Shadow Arts and skill

Learn to reset and make sure you look behind you and around you at all times for incoming groups and have your escape options planned before engaging

I recommend valk/cav armor with strength/pack/hoelbrek runes + all zerk trinkets and weapons

2/6/6/0/0 or 2/0/6/0/6

Tricare.2946:

Condition is much better for out numbered fights.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hm--IZqqEs8

That’s literally the worst video you could have linked to support your case

If you haven’t noticed he has a guardian on him healing the crap out of him and he is never solo

XerreX.7196:

same here: 3/3 games i had premades vs me tonight… so basically unless u have a team u should not go ranked at all… end of story

sad but true

If you want to queue with your friends in ranked you should have to wait for another premade no more solo vs premade

Solo Players should get the priority for matching with each other

Wanna play with friends and not wait? Go to unranked/practice

The main advantage of power vs condi is that power kills fast which in a chaotic enviornment like WvW is vastly superior when you can be overrun by a zerg at any moment

Especially in 1vX you want to take down a target quickly and reset/disengage

Condi gives people more opportunities to kill you

I believe condi only holds the advantage in a fair 1v1 but those are few and far between in WvW I personally prefer power builds on my thief when I am solo roaming

Oh that solo q hero

Rages often

SobeSoul.6910:

Complains about cele’s watchability and has warrior with mercy runes on team….

Well both are cheesy/gimmicky that’s for sure

At the end of the day when people are competing for money in high level tournaments honor flies out the window

People always gravitate to the easiest/safest builds

We will never see a 5 zerk team vs 5 zerk team even though you all want it so badly

What game mode? Sounds like WvW considering your “frontline” comment

Your damage is underwhelming because you are in knights/cleric gear – if you want damage go zerk yet you claim to having issues surviving so zerk won’t help

You should post a link to your full build

You really think they’re going to do this? Just outright delete an amulet!? Doubtful or even if they do it’s coming June 2015

robertul.3679:

The backbone of condi/cele builds is 6/x/x/4/2. The rest is personal preference.

12/14 traits should not be considered a “backbone”

LOL

How did you guys get the sigil? RNG from the boxes?

2/0/6/0/6

king of all builds power or condi works

Brigg.6189:

It’s great that you’re hosting a tournament, thanks for that. That said, some of your rules seem very strange.

If you want to ban celestial because of balance reasons that’s your choice, but I wouldn’t call it a bunker ammy. Also it’s disallowed on warrior and ele but allowed for engi?

The judge’s discretion is also kind of strange. I think it’s better have precise rules not discretion, but if you want to do it that way will you at least be pre-clearing teams before the tournament? I’d hate to see teams having to completely redo comps on the fly.

Did you actually read? They’re not banned they are simply considered “bunker” builds

You are not allowed to have more than ONE bunker build which means you can run ONE

Makes perfect sense – People actually have to die in order for someone to win

I like the rules

Thief is literally the best class to stomp with

Cloak and Dagger then stomp
Black Powder then stomp
Shadow Refuge/Blinding Powder/Shadow Step

There are probably more I am forgetting but that should be enough for any build

Also the down states are balanced by how easy it is to get you downed which is why Thief and Ele probably have the best down states while Engi Necro and Warr down states are weak

Serdoc.7261:

To elaborate, Courtyard, Skyhammer, and Spirit Watch will only be in the map rotation if it is “off Season”. Since the PvP Season starts Dec 16th, the above mentioned 3 maps will be gone. However, once the season ends and there is a break until the next season, they will come back.

Hope that makes it all a bit more clear…

Not exactly.. when we are “in season” those maps will still be here under the “unranked” and of course “practice” forms of play

They will be removed from “ranked” only

It really is insane – I see people die to the profession specific trainers in the Mists 2+ years later

PvPing in this game is mostly an OUT OF GAME learning experience – watching streams, reading on forums, reading wiki, metabattle for builds etc etc

It is unacceptable

You’re the first person to make a thread like this

I predict the removal of white swords will change NOTHING

No really – half the players play for fights, they don’t care about structures of white swords or zergs

The other half are on a karma train which does not care about swords only pressing 1 and following commander

Maybe like 10% of WvW population actually scouts and plays for PPT