Guild Wars 2

I hope not

I just do not think a GS fits with Necromancer lore wise and aesthetically

That animation was nothing special I would hope if they ever do implement GS for Necro it would be better than that

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/Guide-DPS-Necro-for-PvE/first

The sticky is still relevant – Necromancers and Dungeons have not changed much from a year ago

For Dungeons and high level group instanced content you want maximum damage which that sticky will guide you – defense in gw2 is all about learning the encounters and learning when to dodge

Keep in mind Necromancers are mostly not wanted in high level PvE – We lack support for the group

rude is a funny word

this was a funny video

gj

When they go in death shroud stealth up as much as possible and see if they stay in DS and run out of LF – easy kill then

But it is quite simple and easy

Is the necro in ds? evade and stealth Not in ds? attack!

North camp and south camp are probably the most useful as they supply the more useful towers

Guhracie.3419:

Wake up, sheeple! If you assign numeric value to the letters of your user name and add them up, then add the last four digits to that number and divide by 5, you’ll be able to see how lucky your account is.

I KNEW IT

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Necromancer’s greatest weakness is a single stun every 60 seconds?

Even if the enemy opens with a stun like that, I find it hard to believe that is true – especially when I look at my personal experience…

Then again, I am a FitG fanboy… let me ramble on

Necromancers greatest weakness is a combination of bad positioning/focusfire/stun lock – which can happen more often than every 60 seconds

They are all intertwined – if you are in a bad position it usually means you are gonna get focus fired with stun/immob and burst

For those reasons Nightmare Runes/Reapers Protection/Flesh Wurm/Spectral Walk are all used in meta builds – even power builds will use worm/walk

Those skills are our best options to mitigating those weaknesses and as much as we attempt to be in great positioning at all times there are classes Thief/Mes who do not care about your positioning and WILL come get you

That is how I see it

flow.6043:

You really need to take a chill pill.
I’ve read PSILO’s post about the axe and he makes perfect sense to me. From that post alone I can tell that he knows more about necros than you. Maybe listen to other players once in a while instead of immediatley resorting to being grumpy and insulting people.

Why are you stalking me

He resorted to a petty insult so I shot one back

flow.6043:

Narkodx.1472:

since you somehow made it to the top 200

Just fyi, that “highest rank 8” was actually last week, I’m more often in the top 50 than anywhere else if I play daily. But like I said, ranks are completely meaningless.

Narkodx.1472:

That information is outdated I play daily and I am no longer on crystal desert but yeah

The suspense is killing me! Please tell us what rank you currently have.

How can you in the same post say that rank is meaningless than ask me what my current rank is?

flow.6043:

Narkodx.1472:

If you argue that greater marks is better than reapers protection you are absolutely clueless sorry

That statement alone makes you the clueless one.
Also, you make it look like Terror + RP is the only trait synergy we have, which of course it isn’t.
And @ s/d thief being our greatest weakness: that’s a clear l2p issue, because they are not. If you’d lose without a passive fear proc you’re simply a worse player than your opponent.

You started it all buddy – I did not refer to anyone – You specifically referred to me

flow.6043:

Narkodx.1472:

If you argue that greater marks is better than reapers protection you are absolutely clueless sorry

Narkodx.1472:

You opened with something about being clueless …

k

Narkodx.1472:

Furthermore I stated why you like greater marks so much – a quick forum search will find your “staff build” – with a video that shows you clicking skills

Well if you must know, that video is over a year old and just serves the purpose of a damage sample. I was recording on a laptop so I didn’t have my regular mouse with me which has all utilities double bound to it. Clicking some skills was a mere convenience at the time.

Narkodx.1472:

So I followed it up with saying that you do not pvp – can’t find you anywhere on leader boards – gw2score still shows people who were at one point in top 1000 but not anymore like myself – You should pvp if you make comments about it.

Just so I get this right, you’re telling me to play pvp when you haven’t actually played yourself in ages?
Btw, leaderboard rankings and games played don’t say a single thing about a player, but maybe check the EU ladder next time as well:

My clueless comment was an in general comment directed at no one – you followed up with a clueless comment directed at me in particular – so once again you were the first to start the personal attacks

Do you still click your skills? I hope not since you somehow made it to the top 200 – Not a real question

That information is outdated I play daily and I am no longer on crystal desert but yeah

PSILO.4068:

Narkodx.1472:

Continued…

1200+ tournament games in pvp I know what I am talking about

…and still uses worm

All I did was read like 3 of your previous posts and see that you think Axe is better than Dagger

Nothing to see here

What do you think Roe? I know that you PvP but I know you prefer power right?

Roe.3679:

I almost wonder how much of this discussion is motivated by pvp and how much by WvW. Would make a big difference in people’s opinions, I’m sure.

This SHOULD be a PvP discussion – the OP is talking about tournaments and using metabattle website which is tPvP focused

In WvW where you can camp staff from the safety of range I can see how GM is useful and potentially better than RP

sPvP involves tiny circles which you must be near or on in order to win – so close proximity to enemies usually means you will rotate into staff and switch out you will rarely camp staff because you will rarely be safe enough to just pew pew from range with no repercussions

RP shines in these situations because as a Necro we want to be at range and safely blow people up but only a fool will allow this – Thief/Mesmer will come and get you!

Sleight of Hand/Basilik Venom get rekt by RP – that is all I need it for
It however works against pretty much everyone – opponents won’t always be prepared to counter RP like using stab or zerk stance – your opponents will always want to stun/control you

Flesh Worm is good enough against the other classes in order to re-position and heal but not against thief who will blink to you and chase you endlessly

flow.6043:

Please just stop. There’s no need for you to get personal and you’re just embarrassing yourself at this point.

Not really – Just Pointing out some facts

You opened with something about being clueless for having an opinion about two traits and one being obviously inferior than the other
Then you said something about me needing to l2p because s/d thief is not hard counter

So I followed it up with saying that you do not pvp – can’t find you anywhere on leader boards – gw2score still shows people who were at one point in top 1000 but not anymore like myself – You should pvp if you make comments about it
Furthermore I stated why you like greater marks so much – a quick forum search will find your “staff build” – with a video that shows you clicking skills

Nothing personal just pointing out facts

flow.6043:

Narkodx.1472:

If you argue that greater marks is better than reapers protection you are absolutely clueless sorry

That statement alone makes you the clueless one.
Also, you make it look like Terror + RP is the only trait synergy we have, which of course it isn’t.
And @ s/d thief being our greatest weakness: that’s a clear l2p issue, because they are not. If you’d lose without a passive fear proc you’re simply a worse player than your opponent.

You do not pvp there can be no other explanation to this

Greater Marks improves 4 skills on 1 weapon set
Reapers Protection is always good regardless of weapons or in ds

S/D Thief and Mesmer actually are your biggest weaknesses in a team fight because they will be getting you from off the point! Who are they going to focus not the warr/ele/guard they will focus you! thief mesmer never have stability and almost always get there opener rejected because of reapers protection that is what it is for!

I do not need reapers protection to win a 1v1 this is not the discussion

offtopic – you have a fetish with the staff man I get it I saw your video – you really should not be talking about my skill level since you still click your skills

Shadowstep/Pain response is actually not enough – Necro will destroy you easily

2/0/6/0/6 is actually the best condition build with p/d sbow and perplexity

d/d sucks
caltrops suck
givers weapons suck
nightmare runes suck
apothecary sucks
signet of malice sucks
lotus poison sucks

Reapers Protection directly addresses the Necromancer’s greatest weakness and worst match up in a team fight – the s/d thief that comes outta nowhere is usually what gets you killed not the hambow/ele/engi – those guys are avoidable and with good positioning via worm you can escape them

You can not escape a thief or mesmer with good positioning! Read that 20 times and let it sink in!

Terror/Reapers Protection/Master of Terror/Nightmare Runes
That is SYNERGY – Necromancer has no better option for that you will notice other classes have great synergy in traits – example steal traits for thief

If you argue that greater marks is better than reapers protection you are absolutely clueless sorry

Continued…

In general people think they’re special snowflakes and do not want to copy the best players – I never liked the worm until I actually started to use it

Stop trying to reinvent the wheel – wvw heros talking about pvp

1200+ tournament games in pvp I know what I am talking about

@flow/zefrost

Do you guys actually pvp? Couldn’t find you on the lbs and from the way you guys speak I am pretty sure you actually do not partake in solo/team pvp

Because if you did this wouldn’t be an argument – fleshwurm has plenty of negatives but the positives out weight them easily – no other skill allows us to escape a situation that is otherwise a death – period

hmmm

why do you have 1 point in shadow arts? are you the only player in the game that thinks that “last refuge” is a good trait?

Where is the condition removal? Why healing power with no healing traits

This build looks good at taking camps but not actually fighting other players

Krait/Perplexity/Aristocracy is better than Nightmare you’re not a necromancer

witcher.3197:

Leeto’s a WvW player who’s playing 1v1 builds in Conquest, careful with that.

Witcher is a metabattle marketing rep claiming to play pvp, careful with that

So your getting focused by 3+ people in a team fight what are your options?

Plague? Flesh Worm? Spectral+DS? Die?

Only one of those has the potential to avoid death completely- plague/spectrals only delay death – a well placed worm is the best defense a necro has period

I’m not sure why you guys are making arguments against/for certain maps – its useful in every map some more than others but that’s a given with anything

I like leetos build a lot it takes practice but it is very strong

Traits – recommend getting Reapers Might and 2 Points in curses for Reapers Precision – Yes it works while you are in DS – You will be spending a lot of time lifeblasting which those two traits help with

Gear – I use strength runes and battle/strength sigils on my staff air/fire on d/d – the might stacking is pretty good – Pack runes are good too though so you can experiment with what you like most I use Hoelbrek sometimes too

I agree with brandon d/d is better than a/d but as long as you have offhand dagger you are good with its superior defensive skills

Spectral Walk + Flesh Wurm should always be on your bar as a zerk necro they are the best disengages we have

Might stacking? Blood is power
Boon heavy enemy team? Corrupt boon or well of corruption
More burst? Well of Suffering

The last utility is truly up to you and the enemy and your allies

Lich is too gimmicky for me I roll with Plague for safe stomps and for stalling/tanking when you are outnumbered on a point

So you have no points in curses which is the condition damage line and complain about garbage bleeding damage

6-0-5-3-0 is literally good for NOTHING

Want some good working builds? Or you simply want to QQ?

Jinx.7258:

Bad
/over 9000 characters

Are you in the video? Why you mad?

Good stuff Pardi keep it coming

The story here is I killed glock a lot in the 1v1 koth pvp server – salty

The thing is practically everyone killed glock though regardless of build/class

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

sinject.4607:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

sinject.4607:

that being said, perplexity is a rune set that has been in the game for a long time now, so the usual reason you see gear not available in sPvP just doesn’t apply. in fact, I believe the devs have even publicly rejected the idea of including perplexity runes in sPvP when it was suggested.

Wrong. The Devs did want to add Perplexity to PvP. They felt it was balanced for the game mode.

However, the announcement drew tons of hate from players, and they decided against it. Keep in mind that they were to be added in the same patch that all of the runes got revamped, so players made that decision without context or experience.

without context or experience? what about what they did to wvw? or are you one of those people who try to completely separate wvw and pvp as if they’re separate games entirely?

however perplexity’s rejection happened, it happened. the runes are not in spvp and you will not find a single spvp player wishing otherwise.

the dev’s are not infallible, and obviously they themselves recognize this.

They didn’t have context because the players had no idea what most of the runes were going to be at the time. Perplexity was one of only 2 or 3 runes that had been spoiled at that point. The rest, we learned about on patch day.

Likewise, no players had experience with how the new Perplexity Runes would actually work out. How could they, when they hadn’t played with them?

The original time that Perplexity was going to be introduced to PvP was the same exact patch that completely overhauled runes and sigils as well as balance changes to the professions. If they were going to be introduced to PvP, say, two months later, then yes, there would be experience via WvW and context via knowing other runes that could have been used for better decisions. But we didn’t have that.

The decision to keep Perplexity out of PvP was made by the player’s kneejerk reactions. Whether this was a good or bad decision, we can debate all you like, but the reason why is a documented fact.

And you will find sPvP players wishing for Perplexity. They may be the minority, but they exist.

This is all 100% correct

My condi necro and his 900 fears which now interrupt would like perplexity runes

Well you’re wrong already

Med Guard does not counter the entire thief class and all the thief builds
Condi Thief > Medi Guard

The best S/D thieves beat medi guards also

flow.6043:

Last Gasp is about the only significant defensive buff of the 3 things you’ve mentioned.
Reaper’s Protection is the worst, I’d rather take Unholy Martyr and Renewing Blast instead.
No I got a better one: I’d rather they bring back Reanimator as a master trait and I’d still take that one over Reaper’s Protection.

lol flow you’re drunk stop it

Reapers Protection isn’t amazing but to say it’s useless is ridiculous – it is especially useful against thieves with sleight of hand – S/D has no way to proc RP from range to avoid it like D/P does and Thieves obviously don’t run around with stability and S/D meta build only has one stunbreak so you can potentially one shot them in a long fear chain

This would be great

WvW players are STARVING for new content

The best part of your proposal is it is a good “comeback” mechanic and not another “snowball” mechanic – we need more of these and a buff to “outmanned”

What about Mortar?

Lots of things are useless right now

hybrid.5027:

I can’t wait for some people to discover Aristocracy runes.

Indeed.. those are extremely strong as well

Too bad I can’t bother to do the dungeon

mango.9267:

Game breaking? No. Very strong? Yes. The rune set very often carries the player, which is bad design, IMO.

Narkodx.1472:

Equal in condition damage bonuses
The #6 bonus of krait runes has NO COUNTERPLAY – it is unblockable 3 different cond
The #6 bonus of perplexity runes is undoubtedly stronger but it is counterable by stability unless facing a thief with sleight of hand

Don’t forget that the 6th bonus on krait depends on using an elite, which is usually a 45 sec cd in the best case scenario (often much longer). The 6th bonus on perplexity can be proc’d much more often, given the many interrupts most classes have.

I know how it works – my sb bleed ranger prefers it to Perplexity with her low cd elite skill entangle traited

Perplexity does not “carry players” anymore than any other strong rune set – Power players have plenty of runes that are uncounterable and permanently effective like strength runes or hoelbrek or air/fire sigils etc etc

At least I can pop my zerker stance/stability/condi clear and stop perplexity from being effective

For some reason people just don’t like condis and confusion especially so it makes perplexity somehow special and deserving of more nerfs – it won’t change anything thieves will jump to krait runes and still own the roaming scene

Simon.3794:

then it should be called “magical bull” or “lightning bull”
you move so fast that it looks like a lightning!

NO!

Ride the Bull !

:)

You are on the right track to maximum cheese just a few things are missing

Build should be 6/6/x/x/x for maximum condi POWA
Givers weapons suck now and forever – Insert more Dire cheese
Spiteful Removal sucks now and forever – Insert Signet Mastery

Perplexity is way better then sunless – mad fears mad ’rupts mad confusion

That’s about as cheesy as it gets – Dire P/D Perplexity Thieves aint got kitten on this

You sacrifice way too much for the warhorn trait

Without it you have 19.5 seconds of swiftness from horn and 39 from Spectral Walk – considering you will use locust swarm twice before walk is off cool down you have 100% swiftness uptime

Close to Death is too good to give up – Use Chill of Death instead of Axe Mastery it is more reliable as it will proc if you have dagger or axe and the timing is so very nice with Close to Death for the bursties!

Alternatively if you take strength runes and spectral mastery you can get more damage while maintaining nearly 100% swiftness uptime – just throw in a battle/strength sigil somewhere for might

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Tactical_Strike

Lets compare it to Krait Runes which is probably the second best condition rune set

Equal in condition damage bonuses
Both have a proc on hit – 1 bleed for 10s/15s icd vs 3 confusion stacks for 5s/25s icd
This is sort of a wash 3 stacks of confusion is stronger but the ICD is also higher
Krait has 45%! bleed duration while perplexity only has 30%
The #6 bonus of krait runes has NO COUNTERPLAY – it is unblockable 3 different cond
The #6 bonus of perplexity runes is undoubtedly stronger but it is counterable by stability unless facing a thief with sleight of hand

Is Perplexity that much stronger? I say no

Can you nerf perplexity a bit? Sure but if you nerf it too much you’re just going to complain about krait next

In the end Perplexity Runes aren’t breaking the game IMO

6k hours!? O.o

I just want a boat and pirate costume – PLZ ANET!

Less damage then thief/mes

Less bunker than guard/warr

Why are we taking this build on our team?

I’m not convinced every matchup is a positive one which is how you spinned it vs every class

The issue with 6/x/6/x/x builds is you lose your burst and become tankier but still not tanky enough to hold a point against multiple foes since zerker ammy – too in between for me not enough purpose – medi guard is better in tanking AND damage with zerker all you got is range which is nothing in conquest

People are still defending D/D like it was the summer of 2012.. ahhhh those were the days Mug could still crit and Basilik Venom was unbreakable

Fast forward to Fall 2014 where Cloak and Dagger and Dancing Dagger have seen its damage cut by a third, mug no longer crits, and basilik venom has become closer to a utility skill than an elite

D/D is trash folks.. its gone the way of the dinosaur and only stubborn thieves who still think underbewb + dual incinerators = proleetmlg420noscope

It was fun while it lasted and it is simply time for Anet to give skills #3/4/5 a much needed facelift

Thief could never shadow step on to keep walls in WvW

You can only shadow step to locations where you have line of sight and where there is a clear path to that location – you wont be able to shadow step over a cliff for example

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Guide-to-Thief-Guides

Plenty of information all of which is still mostly relevant

~100 toughness vs ~6% critical damage

This is irrelevant and you will most likely not be able to tell the difference at all

Killing someone faster is always better than mitigating damage through armor – blinds stealth and evades should be the ways you mitigate damage as a thief

Strength Runes > Ogre Runes
Power of Inertia > Fleet Shadow
D/P > D/D
FOOD

^ Those things will make more of a difference than 100 toughness or 6% critical damage

One day they will balance for WvW roaming – NOT

Get rid of Perplexity runes and I equip Tormenting/Krait

Few weeks later – Nerf Krait Runes!

Blinds and Dodges/Evades are more powerful in PvE

Try offhand pistol #5 skill
3 points in acrobatics with SoA gives you “burst” of 3-4 dodges
Pistol Whip is good for evading as well

Purple Miku.7032:

Narkodx.1472:

My problem with this thread is the assumption that Warrior is “broken” in PvE

It is broken as kitten. Several of its trademark skills don’t even work anymore and some of its traits were neutered as a result of it.

Narkodx.1472:

I’m not convinced that easy to land and hard hitting skills like HB should EVER get buffed – Nor do I understand how the 5% nerf should be undone by a 25% buff

Reading.

Try it.

Narkodx.1472:

Berserkers Power works as intended IMO

Impossible to make use of in open world unless against champions/legendaries.

Narkodx.1472:

Warrior is in a great place in every facet of this game – can we help out our Necromancers in PvE?

That’s a separate issue and is irrelevant to my thread.

Sigh… PvE Hero Dungeon Soloer Elitist Warrior Master Race

How many balance changes were made with PvE specifically in mind in the last 2+ years of the game?

Goodluck!

Mesmer has amazing IN-COMBAT mobility – I think that is what the OP is attempting to talk about here

Phase Retreat and Blink alone is more mobility than most professions

My problem with this thread is the assumption that Warrior is “broken” in PvE

The only thing that is “broken” in PvE is the condition cap and the support options of a Necromancer

Bringing the warrior from 6th? DPS to 4th? DPS or whatever the hell it is does not seem like a priority AT ALL

Buffing OH Axe and the Leap skills surely seem like better avenues to explore with minimal consequences on the overall game balance

I’m not convinced that easy to land and hard hitting skills like HB should EVER get buffed – Nor do I understand how the 5% nerf should be undone by a 25% buff

Berserkers Power works as intended IMO

Warrior is in a great place in every facet of this game – can we help out our Necromancers in PvE?