Guild Wars 2

Salamander.2504:

nearlight.3064:

You should play more necro just because I think people have adapted to shut down the dragonhunting.

Easily explained! Dragonhunters perform better against Dolyaks than Dragons.

I propose they are renamed to Dolyakhunters.

LOL

+1000

Israel.7056:

Narkodx.1472:

Do you really believe that an MMO should cater to people whom only want to play solo in a team based conquest game mode?

Yes. Solo queue was still a team based game the teams were just randomly put together from a pool of solo players.

Narkodx.1472:

That’s like asking for Raids to be soloable.

No it isn’t.

Keep waiting for solo queue to come back

Maybe three years

nearlight.3064:

I often make my own builds since I actually have the mechanically depth and understanding to do so with my main, necromancer, while builds I play on other classes end up being closer to the meta since I don’t have as vast of knowledge on those other classes.

But still I feel as though this meta superiority complex is foolish unless you’re a new player. Look at so many of the proleague players. Lots them are playing “snowflakes” like staff or dd tempest over df, playing wanderer’s durability reaper or cele builds on EU that don’t take the kittenty signet heal.

The fact is that rotations and individual mechanical depth and teamwork and communications have far more impact on the outcome of a match than the individual builds you run as long as those builds aren’t intrinsically bad. When you’ve been playing as long as I have you realize what non meta builds on our main work and don’t work.

You are 100% correct – Conquest matches are mostly decided by rotations and teamwork

Meta builds are NOT necessary but lets be honest here – most people aren’t good enough to run whatever they want

Timston.1976:

You guys are going to pretend Chrono isn’t meta?

It most definitely is I simply forgot about them because I can’t play Mesmer well

Honestly even Thief can work if you are an exceptional player mechanically and are on top of your rotations/decaps

I thought I could just use any class/traits I wanted to and go into matches solo with no team communication or strategy – YOLO MODE

THATS WHAT ANET PROMISED ME!

/s

In the three year history of this games pvp there has not been more than 5-6 builds that were superior for conquest – This is actually balanced – There was never a time when you did not have OPTIONS – You just chose not to use the options given to you

People still believe that one day there will be 20+ builds that will be viable?

Do you honestly believe that one day they will make your special snow flake build viable? Do you really believe that EVERY traitline for EVERY class will be equal and competitive?

WAKE UP

Do you really believe that an MMO should cater to people whom only want to play solo in a team based conquest game mode? That’s like asking for Raids to be soloable (Which someone is actually asking for lol)

You guys keep up the good fight then

I choose to deal with the cards that were dealt to me and not cry and try and get new cards – The meta changes the game changes life changes

Adapt or perish

I STILL like the power build better

Mallyx is better in 1v1 for sure no doubt but I feel like it is easily focused in team fights without the Glint Heal

Plus I just love the staff

It really is that simple

All this crying about balance yet you have these options just pick one of the meta builds- Rev/Reaper/Tempest/Scrapper/Druid/DH – If you are really bad I suggest DH

Don’t like the meta builds because they are “lame” or “cheesy” better get used to losing

OR

Make a team and coordinate so that you can play your special snowflake Necro Minion Healer build and have a chance at winning with superior rotations and coordination

Don’t wanna make a team? Don’t wanna use a meta build? Stick to unranked and let the big boys who care about winning play in ranked

It is really that simple

Tarkan.5609:

Narkodx.1472:

If you can’t out play your opponent and be content with playing a much less forgiving class the time to reroll was 2 years ago

Thief has always been less forgiving and more mechanically intensive
“Work twice as hard for the same result”

The time for kittening and crying and asking Anet for buffs is long gone – simply not going to happen

Either make the class work or reroll

At least some of us are still using Thief and making it work we don’t need buffs

Actually, if we (according to yourself) have to work twice as hard for the same result, we’d need buffs. That’s what balance is at least.

It was in quotes for a reason

Just because you have to press more buttons than a Necro to do the same damage does not mean it is UNBALANCED

What is balance anyway?! Honestly it is all in your head and everyone who claims that they would win more if Thief wasn’t “underpowered” is simply getting outplayed and can’t face the facts

Just reroll

FLESH WURM!?

Put it up on a ledge

The only thing needed in raids are good players whom can coordinate together – the prof you choose doesn’t matter

Raids have been completed with Thieves already

If you can’t out play your opponent and be content with playing a much less forgiving class the time to reroll was 2 years ago

Thief has always been less forgiving and more mechanically intensive
“Work twice as hard for the same result”

The time for kittening and crying and asking Anet for buffs is long gone – simply not going to happen

Either make the class work or reroll

At least some of us are still using Thief and making it work we don’t need buffs

warr/thief is the new ranger/necro

Revenant is the new Elementalist

Things are pretty balanced

^ are you in the video? Dude is mad salty for no reason

Entertaining video did not disappoint 10/10

THREE YEARS LATER

We are still talking about the same thing

The sad part is some of the people in this thread have thousands of hours, legendary weapons, platinum rank in WvW… and they still SUCK

L2P

Actually there is no hope for most of you instead of L2P can you finally UNINSTALL

Everything is avoidable

Nothing is impossible

L2P

:D

15/charrs

Why do you all think you are going to be good after not playing the game in months?

LOL

You are competing with ppl who play every day for years – I have over 4k hours and many others have MORE

PRACTICE

You will suck for a LONG time and probably quit – But if you do not give up you might get good

http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Elementalist_-_S/F_Fresh_Air

I don’t think it was “fixed”

It was due to the april fools arms out the side airplane joke thingy

What? Are you saying almost 100 games more lost than won is bad or something?

FARMBOARDS 2015

eSports has arrived

EDIT – Why are you checking the leader boards on your phone LOL get a life this game is not competitive

Mogar.9216:

I love it when that happens, I have done my job well to earn some hate

Seriously!

You know you had a good day in PvP when you get Turret Engis calling you a noob

Life is too short boys – It’s just a game – Don’t let 14 yr old virgins get you upset

There is no constructive conversation because it is unnecessary – Major overhauls to class mechanics DO NOT happen 3+ years into the life span of the game

Ranger will always have a pet – Necro will always have deathshroud -Thief will always have stealth

Learn to Play or find a different game – simple

WoP gives you STABILITY for a reason (covering the duration of the cast time) – So that you can CAST the skill

So yes it does break stuns

There are no bad classes

Only bad players

Gryph.8237:

Personal battles are boring so take it to Pms, as it does not add to the discussion. Express you opinion on the traits as that is useful but I don’t want to wade through the bs surrounding your personal battles.

Agreed problem is flow thinks his opinions are superior to others and says people “have no idea what they are talking about”

Good stuff nice vid

Your opinion is no more credible than anyone else’s regardless of the size of your wall of text

You have accomplished nothing in PvP like the rest of us – What team are you on again?

Greater Marks is overrated like you

:D

This is amazing !

Good thing that open field 1v1 in WvW is actually not a balanced game mode

GG

Nothing like a Thief QQ thread

MithranArkanere.8957:

ArrDee.2573:

If it’s there and it gives you an advantage, why wouldn’t you use it! The real blame is on Anet for releasing meaningful patches once every blue moon!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

That’s called bug exploitation, and it’s a bannable offense.

LOL

You really think they would ban someone for the crappy coding allowing someone to put a turret in mid-air!?!

Turrets are such kitten and it is not the players fault for “exploiting” their ease of use

The blame is solely on Anet

We already had this discussion

Flow has a fetish with the staff

Quite comical really

I think the trait is slightly overrated but I only played a handful of games with it – Definitely needs more testing

One thing is for sure – I would NEVER give up PoC for this trait

Greater Marks is literally one of the worst major traits in the game – It makes 4 skills unblockable at a cost of 4 trait points which is absolutely ridiculous and needs to be merged with staff mastery

Every other profession simply has the skill as unblockable without a trait

We already have a bunch of unblockable skills including DS#2/5 Corrupt Boon Warhorn #4

Way over budget for a trait that literally works against two professions – I can wait for the block to end or use one of my other unblockable skills

This has been a problem since day one

Channeled abilities will cancel if they immobilize you during the cast as well

Any time I get immobilized I have to cast the same ability 20 times before it goes off

Laraley.7695:

Narkodx.1472:

Sure lets get rid of Chill of Death

Even though this trait is equally as cancerous
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Electric_Discharge

Everyone argues about passive things yet half the game is instant cast/passive

Time for a new game

The difference is the ele has to actually attune to air, he has to do something. Hell, half of the necros don’t even know when their trait procs. Also the difference in damage and utility.

I never said I want it to get removed, I asked for adding an animation. As I wouldn’t mind if Electric Discharge had a tell.

Your justification is you have to attune to air? I am sure you know about fresh air renewing that cooldown every 5 seconds on a crit – with zerk ammy you are always critting

So a every 5 seconds I get hit by a lightning strike with no tell/animation and I do not need to be under 50% HP

Wanna switch traits?

You are barking up the wrong tree – Fresh Air ele is equally as stupid as power necro which is equally as stupid as pressing #2 with my LB ranger which is equally as stupid as ……..

See where we are going here?

Sure lets get rid of Chill of Death

Even though this trait is equally as cancerous
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Electric_Discharge

Everyone argues about passive things yet half the game is instant cast/passive

Time for a new game

Jelzouki.4128:

Firebird, just because you have two people specifically built for reviving you doesn’t make necromancer more viable than what it currently is.

Finally someone said it lol

Hey Firebird why did you switch to Medi Guard last go4cup when you guys got DESTROYED by HoE in the first game?

Could it be because you felt the necro was a liability?

Settler Ammy in PvP is where it’s at IMO for condi ranger just bring oakheart salve

evilapprentice.6379:

I think we can all agree the stability portion of elites, prior to this change, were far too easy to counter.

Hopefully we can all also agree than 3 stacks of 3s stability every 3 seconds has swung too far in the opposite direction, making it far too hard to counter realistically.

I’m just guessing that WvW influenced this decision – I don’t WvW, but I’m assuming that in zerg v zerg, CC is flying around everywhere and it’s possible to eat through 3 stacks of stability in 3s. In PvP however, this doesn’t feel feasible – 3stacks of 3s stability every 3s feels uncounterable.

A good compromise might be lenghtening the duration/time between pulses – 3 stacks of 6s stability every 6s feels both powerful for the user, and counterable by coordinated players (IMO) in sPvP at least.

I see what you’re saying but at the same time Lich is counterable specifically it is only 1 stack every 3 seconds – it is an OFFENSIVE elite so it should be counterable

I do not feel like Plague/Rampage should be able to be tossed around – They are mostly defensive/CC oriented

RaO feels wrong to me too offensive/defensive at the same time this one feels like it should be 1 stack every 3 seconds

Either way 3 stacks every 6 seconds is a decent compromise IMO – Only coordinated team effort can counter it

SobeSoul.6910:

Pressing 111111111111111 on Lich without it being able to be countered with boon rip is silly.

Elites shouldn’t be autowins like the above 3 posters think.

A lich without stability can still press 1111111

Projectile reflect/LoS might make him stop pressing 111111

Lich SHOULD be strong – just like crate or moa for example

The cooldown justifies the strength of the skill don’t you think?

Then again Power Necro is probably overpowered to you right!?

Elites now actually feel like elites

20s cooldown steal negating 120s elite was BS
10s mindwrack shatter negating a 180s elite was BS

I approve of this change

I think you should go 4/4/0/0/6 and slap on a few zerk pieces to get back the lost precision

Chill of Death is way too good to pass up IMO

Also you need a stun breaker otherwise it should be solid

Solstice.1097:

SobeSoul.6910:

That warrior build is just another build with some changes. And you’re missing 2 trait points. If you create a build yourself it is 100% likely it will just be a variation of an older build.

yea but who cares? the point is these builds are not considered meta and I’m saying it’s only because none of the small group of elite players play it, and it’s NOT because it isn’t viable.

Pretty much…

Abjured is going to be running power necro now – no one would say that it is “meta” but since he is a top tier player on a top tier team it will become “meta”

The best players create the “meta” not the solo q heroes – that should be obvious

BUT at the same time the top tier players choose certain builds for a reason – They are usually optimized for a certain ROLE on the team that they are attempting to execute

So yes not every build is viable but there are builds that are viable right now that are not meta and that is simply due to the players not using them

Yeah but you probably want bountiful theft and shadows rejuv instead of what you chose

Roe.3679:

it doesn’t care how many stacks the target has. But a lot of these will pulse stability, so the opportunity cost will change.

The elites are the only ones that pulse right?

Seems like you want to cast it at the beginning of the pulse since it will re apply stability in 3 seconds

Does not care how many stacks of stability the enemy has correct?

Ele uses armor of earth gets 10 stacks of stability I use CB they still get feared?

If so we kinda got a buff?

Tempest.4507:

Narkodx.1472:

This thread has all kinds of fail in it

1. If rifle/warrior were truly OP and needed balancing you should post in the Warrior forums not the thief forums
2. Clearly rifle is not OP in fact.. it was just buffed and STILL a rifle warrior is not meta for anything in this game except killing noob thieves who aren’t paying attention
3. L2P you have 3 utilities 2 dodges and stealth/evade on every weapon set you can mitigate a kill shot at ANY time unless you have no endurance/utilities/initiative in which case you got outplayed

Please stop responding to everyone the game has been live for almost THREE years now – No one thinks “Kill Shot” is overpowered we have learned to play eventually you will too – just let it go

1- And that automaticly makes me wrong? I am not surprised.

3- According to your statement, If kill-shot is only able to one-shot thieves, it is a balancing issue.

3-Every class has 3 dodges and 2 evades. Stealth doesn’t help againts Channel skills.

None of these matter when the warrior one-shots you at 1500 range when you clearly cannot see him. And no, seeing only his name tag is not enough.

Every class has 3 dodges and 2 evades? They do not work against channeled skills?

DO YOU NOT SEE WHY EVERYONE SAYS L2P?!

The necromancer for example wishes he had ANY evades

Please get off the forums and go in-game you aren’t going to get any better unless you actually PvP in-game and not in forums

Why is this “cheap”

Every stomp including invuln stomps can be stopped – AoE stealth

1v1 does not matter – first person downed is dead thats it GG

Games been out for close to three years none of this crap is changing

/thread

The only way to not get kitten team mates is to que up as a party of 5

When I solo q I can not do it sober or with the mind-set that we will actually win

Lower your expectations of your fellow gw2 pvp player life will be easier