Guild Wars 2

Andele.1306:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Here’s the thing, though: we don’t have… siphon siphon icd talk…

Look dude, just ignore ManaCraft, he has shown that he has no prior mmo experience and that he does not understand the issue at hand.

You are the one that needs to be ignored. Who cares how many years of MMO experience you have. Seriously. Who? You are not a developer and neither of us are either. The amount of years you wasted on WoW raiding and being hardcore does not make your arguments anymore valid than anyone elses. PERIOD.

Back to the topic, ICD on siphons for sure is a bad idea IMO. Simply due to risk/reward. Dagger/Axe most definitely need to have an advantage in siphoning over staff/scepter. Furthermore, the scaling in 1vX situations is where we need most help. Finally, siphons need to scale well with healing power. Lets make this stat useful.

Not bad but if you’re going to be in a zerg you can afford to be more offensive. Deathly Perception instead of stability. Pop all the wells and go into DS for 100% crit chance on your wells. You can then invest more into the Spite line for power and potentially Close to death 20% damage modifier. You should use dagger off hand for more AOE. Warhorn/Locust signet is redundant. Dagger main hand in a zerg for a necro is usually suicide. Axe can keep you at a safe distance. Best thing to do is actually try them in-game and see how your play style can influence your trait/weapon choices. Your build is a good starting point

For all of the reasons WvW roaming is unbalanced and sPvP is balanced is why D/P 6 SA is king. Capture points! In WvW roaming I use this spec. For a long time. Training wheels? How do you beat a 2k condition damage engineer/necro without 6 in SA. When I see another bunny hopping D/P thief with 6 in SA I try and down him within 30 secs. Once he uses Refuge I use mine as well and keep it moving to the next camp. It is an annoying spec. because there is no rush to kill anyone unlike PvP I do not lose anything by resetting the fight constantly. I can “attrition” my opponents to death with superior damage mitigation through blinds and healing from shadows rejuv. This type of attrition is what I wanted on my other class the necro – which does not exist. There truly is no purpose to balancing based on WvW roaming. Good players still kill me as cheesy as I am. I also do 2 or 3v1 every single night I roam as well. The disparity in skill from roamer to roamer is far too big to ever think of balancing that aspect of the game. Roaming is not really a supported game format. Also in sPvP like everyone has already stated no one uses SA. D/P is borderline underpowered in PvP and does not see much use in PvE. So it is OP in a game format that really does not exist. Roaming is a community created game format. Meh

Tanky ranger regen build = attrition
P/D thief with shadowarts healing = attrition
condi/power necro = burst

Even a condi necro without dhuumfire or signet of spite is bursty. Terror alone is 1k/sec. It simply does not work without siphons. I also think chill cripple poison and the other soft CC conditions are underpowered or cleanses are OP. They just do not seem to actually have a major effect in battle. It seems like Condi Necro is load up on bleeds/burn/torment and the other condis are to hide our DOTs then blast em away with fear. Soft CC was meant to be our attrition but it does not really work.

My problem with this skill has always been why do I need poison/weakness?
In a standard condi build we have Putrid Curse and Chill Bains for poison. We have enfeeble and enfeebling blood for weakness. I think it should reflect projectiles. Would help us be useful in PvE where that is always sought after.

I like the YOLO build. 6-6-x-x-x
Throw the last 2 anywhere you want. I put it in soul reaping for path of midnight or spectral mastery or vital persistance. You get dhuumfire terror AND path of corruption. MOAR CONDIS

Reikou.7068:

Wolfield.9812:

5 gold reward to whoever gives the best answer within the next hour. Since information costs money.

How would the “best” be determined?
You obviously don’t know/understand optimization because if you did you wouldn’t be making this topic. And because you don’t understand optimization, you are unable to properly judge what the “best” is. Because of your inability to properly judge the provided information, this gold reward is more of a crapshoot than anything.

Give Reikou 5 Gold for that.

On topic – I would go with what you posted. Strength runes are too good to pass up IMO.

Perplex runes on a necro are very LOL worthy that is for sure. But what makes this build better than 6/6/x/x/x with dire/rabid. Seems like you’re trying to make a subpar trait – Unholy Sanctuary and gear – Settlers work on Necro. Don’t get me wrong, I wish healing power was truly worth it on Necro (I use settlers on my ranger with perma regen and Troll) but I just don’t see this being more effective than pure offense. Especially in WvW where being jumped by 2-3 players means death regardless of toughness since we can not escape anything. +1 for creativity though!

I use V – Infusion of Shadow. Especially when running D/P. The blind on stealth I think is VI. That one is good too.

For PvP most people run 2/6/0/0/6 with might runes and zerker amulet.
Some are running 2/0/0/6/6 with S/D and might runes and zerker amulet.

LOL Amazing video! +1

Thread NECRO’D – Nice to see people still have the same misconceptions 1 year later!

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQNAV8fnEqQvgWLIusAVLGAToanAdaA86Gc3sXwEXwmK-TJhHwAPLDQZ/BAPBgAXEAA

Similar to the above build this is what I have been using lately. Ridiculously tanky with perma regen/settlers ammy. Standard shout/condi build mostly. I like the extra punch from torch offhand and balthazar runes with the low CD heal of TU. I would say it is a perfect build for home defender. The shouts affect your allies as well so it can be good for mid. Spirit build probably better for mid though. GL

<3 I’m sure you wont be easy pickings. I see one major issue. I am on Crystal Desert and from looking at your sig… so are you!

VampyreJack.9183:

lol, i have no points into SA (and haven’t for several months now) and i do really well with my thief. i’m a non-stealth thief and i run with large groups of skilled players GOM server with ASH and WORM). I’ve run D/P and P/P and just recently switched to S/P and P/P. Even in swarms of enemies being acrobatic and skilled with dodges, etc. i am only downed if all of us wipe, and survive the duration of a fight without feeling cowardly whatsoever. L2P is all can say. I have a blast without SA and stealth. just work at it instead of complaining. find a play style you like, and master it. I hated stealthing and feeling cowardly during the first two months after launch, so i changed it when i came back to thief.

I bolded the important part. Please use S/P and no points in Shadow Arts as a solo roamer against 2/3 condition classes. Post video result

“By “meta” you must be referring to the borderline OP builds like PU mesmer, or D/P theif. If you run a cheese build it invalidates any sort of competition."

Actually. That is what I am talking about. When people talk about OP/Meta builds no one talks about a ranger build. PU Mesmer or D/P Thief or Terror Dhuum Necro or Perplex Engi… etc. ALL of those builds assuming equal skill with a ranger will defeat said ranger. That is the only point I am making.

EDIT – As far as invalidating competition. That is YOUR opinion. When you solo roam on a borderland do you expect people not to use cheese? Or what you consider cheese. I do not. I roam to WIN, that is the only thing I care about. Not the respect of the guy I am spiking. Main reason I do not run ranger anymore.

I AM THE 5TH!? No seriously. R48 I think… multi class player seems like we could use a Ranger? Lets get this ball rolling. I will add you guys and send PM tonight.

EDIT – Class: Ranger/Necro/Thief – Whatever we need
Living on East Coast USA mid-twenties – Have experienced every bit of this game – I play way too much

Typical. It saddens me that wanting to win and competition is not the most fun aspect of this game for a lot of people. Grinding for pixels and rewards is the best part of this game. IMO, losing is not fun, therefore if I am not trying to win than I am not having fun. We cant change the world. Next time PM me for your 5th man lol

Darnis.4056:

Matches don’t start without 10 people present in Solo que would be excellent.
Matches don’t start without 10 people present in Team Que would be awful.

Fight the matches you can win, Dodge the ones you can’t, Top 100 NA all day.
No rewards for Matches Forfeited for either side.
Accounts should be flagged as deserter instantly if they are not logged in. 1 day ban.
Implement Better Rank decay; 20 slots on 2nd day not played. Deserters auto-eat the rank decay and won’t be able to stay on top of the leaderboards.

Also this assumes leaderboards will actually be meaningful at some point in time.

This would really hurt me the most, as I have dc’d pregame 1000 times now.

IT CAN WORK. If you can not see the roster of the other team/your teammates. But I understand what you are worried about. Dodging good teams/players by not pressing accept. But the “ready up” button prior to matches NEEDS to be the first thing implemented. Does not seem too difficult but what do I know

Sure. But how can you justify to the person who hit the Q button that they can not play. The benched person is not at fault for someone on the other team not joining the game. Another issue is how is the game going to detect someone who is AFK at spawn. What if no one on my team dies? So many things can make this solution not work but it is honestly better than what we have.

Actually nevermind. I saw you dueling that P/D thief in your video. He was horrible. You got no chance.

LOL GG. I may sound condescending/elitist but I am simply giving my opinion. I was dueling behind the windmill one month into the game. With a necromancer. Before dhuumfire and all the changes we got.. the days where an ELE could AFK against a necro. Fast forward a year and I have gotten around to every class tried every build power/condi whatever. But yea, I have no idea what I am talking about. Ranger is clearly the best dueler. PLEASE add me. Get your recording device ready too.

Yea rennoko if you do not get bursted out of DS in 10 seconds. Honestly it’s not competitive. Spectral Mastery/Path of Midnight are better. The trait got DOUBLED in efficiency and it’s still lackluster. The best time to use it is in PvE when you can control not getting bursted out of DS in 10 seconds. Otherwise I do not understand the purpose of the trait. DS for the most part is meant to soak damage. But this trait does nothing to help that. It helps when you are NOT taking damage. The LB trait is even better than this one. ::shrugs::

LOVE IT. No really. LOVE IT. Makes too much sense and would require an immense overhaul which will probably never happen. But it does solve the issue of defense/offense. Solves coverage issues but not completely with 3 different time zones. And overall just seems like a FUN idea.

What SHOULD happen is corrupt boon should get unnerfed to more than 5 boons like before. The whole boon-hate thing has not really panned out well. There is nothing to fear for a guardian when popping “Save Yourselves”

Good stuff gotta try it. Have you thought of Perplex runes? Got a decent amount of rupts with D/D.

Edit – Just noticed the confusion procs. DUH!

Prysin.8542:

Narkodx.1472:

Shirk.6421:

In all honesty and despite the fact that I love roaming with my ranger:

It’s all fun until you run into another player who plays a dueling build. like a mesmer, warrior, necro, thief, ele or engi. Even if you’re as good as the other person, the class WILL make the difference. Go into the dueling area and fight some people using dueling builds there. Have fun – or not.

THIS sadly is the truth. Once you face top tier players on META roaming builds you will lose. Ranger does not have the damage in a condition/sustain build to defeat a perplexity engi/thief/necro. (Perplex not even necessary just makes it more OP) Power builds have no chance against those type of builds either; Power builds also have weakness against high burst classes like warr/thief. They have better mitigation skills. In the end though you should run with a ranger if you enjoy it. I sure do. But you must know the limitations of the class.

Any meta build can be beaten with any ranger build. Skill is all that matters. Also lol at perplex thief, their annoying, but not that difficult to beat. Its a L2P issue.

Oh and, the only real threat to rangers is glas thieves and condi engies. Luckily, there aint too many of those two around.

Too bad you’re not on NA. I see you post here often and would enjoy a duel. You’re probably better ranger than me. Given all that, I am quite confident I have dueled better rangers than you. They can not beat my meta warr/engi/necro/thief builds. Oh well. Must be a L2P thing.

You MUST dress like a ninja with the underbewb. It increases damage by a % directly proportional to your sexiness. So for my thief it is 300% extra dmg!

In all seriousness – D/P is my preferred weapon set. 2/6/0/0/6 with strength runes. Lots of fun and very rewarding. But takes lots of practice.

Agree with above two posts. Either nerf LB burst to not proc. CI everytime. Or give me the same kitten thing on the GS. I would literally take no damage on the F1 and simply some might/fury whatever. Then I can throw my LB in the trashbin.

Did you try soldier ammy in PvP or Clerics? It is not most effective with zerker ammy. Whether or not you found it effective it is pretty much the standard MM build people use in PvP. I prefer condi build but I have used both to some degree of success.

Honestly. VP sucks. It does not reduce any damage you take. It simply slows the NATURAL degen. If you are 900 units away taking no damage/aggro and pumping out Lifeblasts in a powerbuild than its nice. But I do not see how it is necessary or good.. at all. Healing IMO should not be bound to a trait it should be default. It importantly allows ALL necro builds to have SOME sustain.

I really do not think anyone who plays necromancer regulary believes this trait is in a good spot or worth the investment. Loyo pretty much describes it perfectly. 6 Points in a traitline to be able to stomp people. -_-

Good build. Standard MM. While you claim it does not work in PvP it actually does! Vampiric Master is simply one of the best if not the best sustain options for a Necromancer. I have actually used a build like this to roam around in WvW and it is decent at that as well. Watching all your minions beat up on a Thief is good stuff.

LOVE the delusional rangers in this thread. META builds are the easiest to counter ha! Who actually goes to sanctum in this thread? Or you guys stick to EOTM destroy a thief in full zerk who key turned and assumed your build was the bomb diggity. Please whisper me in game if you think you can defeat a dhuum terror necro or nade spam engi. Will duel anyone.

I on the other hand am realistic. I have spent countless hours dueling top tier players with my ranger and similar builds as this video. I also tried the new power build. You guys simply arent facing top tier players if you think a ranger can defeat all builds. I can get my perplexity thief if you want as well. That will be a laugher.

Ranger needs adjusting. Bad in zergs. Bad in PvE. Decent in small man roaming dueling. Once you reach a skill plateau you’re better off on a thief/warr. Bottom Line. I still love my ranger though!

Shirk.6421:

In all honesty and despite the fact that I love roaming with my ranger:

It’s all fun until you run into another player who plays a dueling build. like a mesmer, warrior, necro, thief, ele or engi. Even if you’re as good as the other person, the class WILL make the difference. Go into the dueling area and fight some people using dueling builds there. Have fun – or not.

THIS sadly is the truth. Once you face top tier players on META roaming builds you will lose. Ranger does not have the damage in a condition/sustain build to defeat a perplexity engi/thief/necro. (Perplex not even necessary just makes it more OP) Power builds have no chance against those type of builds either; Power builds also have weakness against high burst classes like warr/thief. They have better mitigation skills. In the end though you should run with a ranger if you enjoy it. I sure do. But you must know the limitations of the class.

You guys have your opinion and I have mine. I been roaming in WvW since the game was released. You simply do NOT have the sustain without SA to defeat top tier players on REAL dueling builds. Not garbage zerglings running bearbow. I am talking about a 2k+ Condition damage perplexity thief/necro/engineer. The one where you take 3 grenades and half your health is gone. But whatever, run around with no SA and you will eventually run into those classes/builds and complain that conditions are OP.

Wells are not viable. MM or Condi or Lich Zerker or gtfo

Condition build with spiteful marks? Not even a power build would consider that terrible trait. Either go full condi with 6 in curses or go power with wells. You also chose signet mastery with no signets. If you are convinced for condi than drop the 4 in Spite and put it in curses and soul reaping for master of terror. You want to run epidemic in zergs. Staff traits are meh to me but they are not terrible.

PRACTICE. That really is it. Yes the 1v1 rooms in PvP will help you hone your skills. But until you learn the mechanics of other classes and how to react correctly you will have a tough time.

Condi attrition ranger builds are excellent at dueling non-sustain zerker builds. Please tell me you play a power build and beat most classes in a duel because I will laugh. Been playing the game since release all professions. Ranger is one of the weakest 1v1 professions against META builds. I wrote it in caps for a reason and of course assuming equal skill. Yea against the zerglings with random builds you can have a great time ganking them and feeling good but if you goto the sanctum everyday like me then you will realize every other class is better.

Zagerus.8675:

So what would make the probability and reward match in your opinion? More damage? I could get behind a damage increase, it keeps the fundamental parts of AS the same. A damage increase is the last thing I think the GS really needs though, but many people dislike the burst skill as it is so maybe it would change opinions of the skill.

Edit: Btw I run hybrid build in PvE so no Berserkers Power for me.

Well that is not optimal but anyway. I can back an option where it does NO damage and simply is a ground stab with some sort of buff/boon. I think most people would agree that GS does plenty damage already. The MAIN issue which you probably do not understand since you PvE is that we want a way to make Cleansing Ire function more reliably with the GS burst F1.

What part of the game? WvW? If so then D/P has comparable dmg to D/D. Only difference is Cloak and Dagger from D/D will make the rotation a bit stronger. D/P generally is better for utility like gap closer interrupt and blind field. Valk is better for WvW you want SOME survivability. I hate signet of shadows and init. managment is always tough on D/P so Infil signet is best. But then you run slow. You can use travelers runes but then you do not have strength runes. Pros and Cons to everything. Also Assassins Signet is pretty weak these days not many run it. Solid build overall. Everyone uses something similar.

Well played… but in the end ranger is meh to me. Best ranger build is simply attrition/outlasting the opponents. In the end ranger is not best for duels. You wont beat a well played meta build from any other class. Why is condi ranger literally the slowest condi applier out of all condi builds besdies guard.

Login.5102:

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

I play close to a hundred tpvp matches every week.

Swimsasa Stoon.8936
sPvP rank 999
Personal best rank 977 (34 day, 18 hour ago)
Wins 10
Loses 8

This is why we probably wont ever get buffed. Bottom line is necro works or is even OP in lower levels and noobs will never let us get buffed. GG

Evalia.7103:

Is soldier gear required on a thief?
Right, it isn’t. So why should SA be required? Never ran it, and 1v3-4ing quite often.
I only ever go in SA tree to get 100% stealth uptime combination for the sneaks inside enemy towers/keeps and that’s it.

Sure you do. ONE necro full staff rotation and your’e dead without SA. How do you cure conditions? Shadowstep? 3 every 50 seconds maybe Lyssa runes? – Horrible nowadays for DPS with ferocity nerf. Pain Response? LOL. 2 Points for Shadows Embrace is MINIMUM for WvW. You like fighting multiple people 1v3/4 who are not brain dead? Need 6 for Rejuv. Thief has weak sustain without SA. But don’t believe me go out there in full berserker and ALL DPS traits. Let me know how it goes

I honestly wish it was not required. But when you meet a perplexity engi or necro or thief. You will see why it is necessary. Go out there and find out why we all run it.

You’re right. I did not get into detail regarding bunker guard. I feel like I can burn them down on a terror necro. But besdies that takes too kitten long you’re right

What is the question? What builds counter the current meta? If they were well known or effective people would be running them and starting the new meta. But I will go through some easy ones?
pretty much all zerk medium and light class builds are countered by zerk thief
condi necro counters most condi builds including condi engi hard
most bunker guard/warr builds counter zerk builds
staff ele and a guard cleansing/healing spam can counter condi
diamond skin ele or autoresponse engi vs condi necro

I think the game is in a fairly good state. Only bunker guard/warr seems un-counterable without losing the point. I can regularly kill hambows and bunker guards 1v1 on multiple classes. The issue arises with having to kite off the point in order to win and thus losing points. But I truly think its a conquest issue.

^ Main reason peole die to condis. The oh kitten! factor is much slower with condis. People just do not know how to react. When you get backstabbed for 7k damage you best believe your going to be dodging and spamming your heal. When my condi ranger does a full rotation and your health does not even move but you have a bunch of stacks of condis on you the opponent does not react.

I have concluded that Torch + Balthazaar runes is beast. Take Hao or TU low cd heals for more burning. Sun Spirit too.. why not!? As to how many ticks and why? 14 ticks and I do not know why! Oh well let the burning continue!

What does a Thief give up for Heartseeker? Equipping Shadow Step?
Ranger equips a sword – Mesmer takes decoy – Guardian takes shelter – Yea they give up a weapon/utility/trait but all of those classes are HAPPY to do it because they realize mobility/disengage/block/invuln/stealth is the best thing in this game! Fine. Dark Path is really strong right now with PoC there is no denying it. But our best skill?! Terror with Doom is better to get pressure off of you. ANYWAY honestly I do not care where you put it but the necro NEEDS a way to get the pressure off. Before the grandmaster PoC dark path seemed like a great place for mobility but now I can see your point. In conclusion we need the following – Put a 5 sec block somewhere. Put a 9-1200 range teleport somewhere. Put a mobility skill somewhere. Until you do this necro will just get burned down at mid till the end of this games lifetime