And if the achievements are too grindy or annoying, there inlies the problem, does it not? That’s what the topic is about.
No? Grindy or annoying is subjective. I’ve done a couple of iterations of the infinite Bell Choir one, simply because I enjoy doing a full round of that each day. I’ve barely touched the Snowball Mayhem or JP ones, though.
As stated before in this thread: these achievements aren’t meant for grinding, they’re to give a little reward to people who particularly enjoy doing one of the activities. It’s not really intended that people max out even one of them, let alone all of them.
The problem lies in those players who feel compelled to do so, even though they know they won’t enjoy it and know it’s not worth their time.
Just don’t open all the Toolboxes.
But, I understand OP’s sentiment here. There are people that try to get as much available AP as you miss points on temp content you miss them for good. There is no recourse in obtaining them again and put you behind others permanently. Because of that AP rewards should be a bit more reasonable when available for a limited time. .
There are people like that, who want to grind out every last possible AP. However, I’m in the top 1000 players for AP (I’m around 700-ish)… and I skip all sorts of time limited achievements, if they’re too grindy or annoying. So clearly there aren’t very many people like that.
@Op, what does your signature mean? Been wondering since last I saw it.
Well… some players who post on these forums leave the impression that they’re worshipping flawed facts or beliefs. “To hail” (which is illegal in modern Germany btw.) is a reference to the third reich and the kitten regime and describes that some are obedient to something without questioning it. That’s how “All hail stupidity” is born. I simply get the feeling that there are players on the forums who believe blindly in their “facts” without questioning them or players that don’t like their “facts” to be questioned.
And the second part is my main account, which got banned from these forums.And on the future of GW2: It’s unlikely but one can still dream…
Hail
verb (used with object)
1.
to cheer, salute, or greet; welcome.
2.
to acclaim; approve enthusiastically:
The crowds hailed the conquerors. They hailed the recent advances in medicine.
3.
to call out to in order to stop, attract attention, ask aid, etc.:
to hail a cab.
verb (used without object)
4.
to call out in order to greet, attract attention, etc.:
The people on land hailed as we passed in the night.
noun
5.
a shout or call to attract attention:
They answered the hail of the marooned boaters.
6.
a salutation or greeting:
a cheerful hail.
7.
the act of hailing.
interjection
8.
(used as a salutation, greeting, or acclamation.)
Verb phrases
9.
hail from, to have as one’s place of birth or residence:
Nearly everyone here hails from the Midwest.
Idioms
10.
within hail, within range of hearing; audible:
The mother kept her children within hail of her voice.
While the third reich did have a salute that might be known as a hail (though is more usually rendered in English as “heil” with an ‘e’), it’s certainly not among the most usual usages of the word. It only occurs as such in very specific circumstances. The most common time I hear the word “hail” is for “hailing a taxi.”
Saying “all hail X” is a type of acclamation that is well-known in English, and often used sarcastically, but has absolutely no connection with the third reich at all.
By the way here is your answer OP:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/support/Requesting-a-Taken-Name/first#post4248872
/end thread
/thread
You can argue as much as you want. It’s not going to change Anet’s policy.
I know exactly what is Takina going though. I live in SEA region and latency is always an issue. On good days I can get near perfect scores, but when my ISP decides to be non-cooperative, none of the keys I press will be registered correctly, doesn’t matter if I pressed it earlier, just hitting the ring, or in the circle. Doesn’t work.
The achievement itself is very easy for most players, but if you have latency and/or FPS issues, its a nightmare. Thank your stars for your fast ISP and fast PCs, for some of us do not have the luxury to own either.
True, but that applies to most things in the game. If you’re playing on a slow PC or with slow internet, everything is a lot harder than usual.
Not sure what you are smoking. Numbers do not lie>>
Total laurels 35; use to be 41; a 17% decrease.
2 Bag of Laurels.png Bag of Laurels 1 laurel
7 Bag of Laurels.png Bag of Laurels 10 laurels
9 Bag of Laurels.png Bag of Laurels 2 laurels
16 Bag of Laurels.png Bag of Laurels 3 laurels
21 Bag of Laurels.png Bag of Laurels 15 laurels
23 Bag of Laurels.png Bag of Laurels 4 laurelsTotal coins 12: used to be 31; a 60% decrease
1 Bag of Mystic Coins.png Bag of Mystic Coins 2 Mystic Coins
8 Bag of Mystic Coins.png Bag of Mystic Coins 2 Mystic Coins
15 Bag of Mystic Coins.png Bag of Mystic Coins 4 Mystic Coins
22 Bag of Mystic Coins.png Bag of Mystic Coins 4 Mystic CoinsWE DO NOT GET 55 LAURELS OVER 28 DAYS<<
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Chest_of_Loyalty
If you select http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Chest_of_Plentiful_Laurels
There are 20 more laurels for you.
I don’t know why you’d select anything else from the choices there, either.
Nah, it’s a good idea. +1. I didn’t see the thread the first time round.
Bump more subtly next time, though :P
You don’t get any for doing the dailies. You get them for logging in, in lump sums on certain days. In fact, all the rewards you used to get from doing 5 dailies, you now get just from logging in. The only thing you get from doing 3 new dailies is the 10 AP. You do get extra rewards now, but those are for doing each individual daily, rather than having to get 3.
Basically, unless you want the AP, there’s no reason to feel compelled to do dailies at all anymore.
Alrighty then, I’ve got 4/5. I can’t get the Bell Choir to update. It says “to participate in”. What exactly does that mean? I have participated but I get no update. If participate means actually do well, then I’m out of luck.
I’m really not enjoying this wintersday.
You have to survive to the end of a single song. The ones at the start of each cycle are easy, while the ones at the end are harder.
Also, the old system sometimes gave you “Maguma Event Completer” or “Shiverpeaks Event Completer”. You can’t blame just the new system for expecting you to figure out where Maguma is.
No, but the old system gave you an option to do something else instead. I almost never did those event dailies because I never came across enough in my playtime. But that didn’t matter, as I’d have 6 or 7 others to choose from (not counting the PvP and WvW ones). Today is one of those days that simply is not worth the trouble. Southsun events? Maybe if you’re lucky and are online for the karka queen event. Maw? Maybe if you’re lucky and are online at the right time. Whoops, that’s 2 of 4. And you need 3. Hmm, WvW then? I could try to put my loathing of PvP aside (and despite what some people say, WvW = PvP) Oh wait, the entire area is green. No blue or red sentries, no blue or red keeps, no blue or red camps. So, that’s not going to happen either.
You could have gone EotM, for a wvw daily.
But yeah. The beauty of the new system is that you can just say “I don’t want to do these things today”, and you lose out on nothing except AP. If you don’t like them, you’re free to go and do whatever else you do like doing in your limited playtime
Why do you want laurels then? I don’t understand people who want virtual rewards, that only exist in a game they have no other interest in playing.
The two minis. I’m PVE only so it took me awhile to get enough laurels for all the rings, accessories and infusions. Now I’m working toward the minis.
Not sure what’ll be my motivation after I get those, maybe I won’t have any and will take a break until some substantial content comes out.
But then, you’ll have the minis and won’t be playing the game to enjoy them. It’s a weird thing people do. I know players who have run themselves ragged in game trying to get a legendary, for instance, but then quit pretty much as soon as they finally got it.
But yeah. From my perspective, if I were you, a change that stopped me pointlessly doing something I didn’t really enjoy would be a good thing. Nothing wrong with taking a break
I’ve been playing since launch, and the daily was my lead-in to doing other things. Let’s say I needed Daily Gatherer, Daily Kills, Kill Variety, and Veteran Slayer (recycler would always come when I broke down my loot). I would figure in a secondary objective (I’m gonna do my dailies in Queensdale and kill SB while I’m there) and off I went. I would be playing for an hour or two even after completing my daily. And the only thing I ever wanted from the daily was laurels.
Since this new patch, my character hasn’t taken one step. I log in, get my reward, and log out. I have no incentive to bounce around the map to do the dailies, and since I’m not interested in doing dailies, I never have motivation to go anywhere and do anything (max level, have all the ascended items and skins I want).
That one laurel was my hook into the game, and now it’s gone.
Bravo Anet. Bravo.
Why do you want laurels then? I don’t understand people who want virtual rewards, that only exist in a game they have no other interest in playing.
I could be wrong, but last time I checked, collections are an OPTIONAL thing to do in game. If you can do it with your character, great for you. If not, you aren’t missing out on any big thing. I mean, seriously, if you look at the BASIC collections, over 1/2 of them will never be done except by AP hunters. Collections aren’t meant to be something easy that every player can achieve without serious effort.
If you don’t think it’s worth the effort, then don’t do the collection. But if that’s the case, the only thing stopping you from doing the collection is yourself. Sorry if that comes off harsh, but since the Dec 16 patch I’ve had my fill of people whining about every little thing in the game that isn’t the way THEY think it should be.
It’s a GAME. It’s ALL optional. That is not a legitimate argument concerning any single subject or argument where games and game design are involved.
On the contrary. It’s the absolute most legitimate argument there can be. There are many different games, and any game of a reasonable level of complexity has many different aspects. No game designer can make something that appeals 100% of the gaming population, and no game designer can make every single part of their game appeal to every single person who players it. By making parts of the game optional, they allow people to pick and choose the things they like, while ignoring the things they don’t like.
Your ignorance is not the fault of the new system.
Thanks for proving my point, your problem is thinking this game and update is only for veterans of the game who played for over a year. That attitude is what is destroying the number (and influx) of players good job, if you keep this up there wont be a GW2 one year from now.
Are you done with your daily whining quest? Here’s 10AP for you
If you had even the slightest ability to read you’d know I dont even care about AP.
As I told you only a few posts ago in this thread, the absolute only reward for completing 3 dailies is 10 AP. If you don’t care about AP, there is absolutely no reason to feel like you should complete the 3 dailies.
In the previous system, as someone who tried to get all my daily AP every day, it took me 1-5 hours to get it all. Now it takes me less than 10 mins. People who cared about AP had to tick off every single item from a list before; now they can choose the 3 easiest. This is a massive improvement for AP hunters.
Five hours..? Can’t imagine it taking so long even before the release of EotM.
Oh, woops. That was meant to say 1-2, not 1-5.
Im currently stuck for hours since I need to go to a region I have no idea how to get to
Maguuma is the Sylvari and Asura area. You can get to it by going to either the Grove (Sylvari town) or Rata Sum (Asura town), and heading outside.
Ascalon is Char territory. You can get to it by going to the Black Citadel (Char town) and heading outside.
Well I need to get to Southsun cove or whatever and i dont even know what that place is. Can log on my 80 for maguuma but the whole point of dailies is that I should be able to do em with any character!
From the patch notes (bolded the important bit):
The number of available achievements per day is based on the highest-level character on an account:
Levels 1 – 10: 1 achievement per category
Levels 11 – 30: 3 achievements per category
Levels 31 – 80: 4 achievements per category
So, nope. If you have a lvl 80, then your account’s dailies will take that into account. There are plenty of dailies, both under new and old systems, that could not be completed by a low-level character.
Idk why you’re getting so upset about dailies in every single thread, anyway. It doesn’t seem like 10 AP would matter to you anyway. And that’s the only reward for completing 3 dailies. All the other rewards you used to get, are now just from logging in.
Just wanted to confirm that once again, I wasn’t able to retrieve the login reward on any of my characters save for the level 80. Is anyone else experiencing this behavior? I also still dislike the new dailies.
It seems to be restricted to the first character you log in on each day. Which can be a different character each day. I wanted to get it on a lvl 80 yesterday, but accidentally logged in on my lvl 34 first, and had to get it on that character.
Just no. The Bell Choir is still hard. I’ve gone as far as doing everything you said before you even suggested it, and it was still ridiculously hard.
You say this. And other people have been saying it a lot. So I assume that it’s truth and you’re not all trolling. But I honestly can’t understand how you think that. For me, even the first time doing bell choir 2 years ago, it was ridiculously faceroll easy. I can’t even see the potential for difficulty or challenge in it. You don’t even have to be musically inclined… you just hit the right key when the orb gets to you…
Anyway. I think it’s understandable that Anet wouldn’t realise this might be a massive problem for some players.
I’m not sure what the droprate is, but I always seem to get heaps of them when i salvage exotics. Using BL kits.
Perhaps it’s just because they’re something I don’t really want or need :P
For people who joined a week ago, it’s all new content.
do 95% of your fractal runs not bring a guardian?
Correct. More than 1 in 20 of my fractal runs do not involve guards. These are all PUGs using the LFG tool, btw.
You said she’d logged 3 hours total in game. If the problem was noticeable in minutes (as I imagine it would be), then you sat there, over the course of hours, knowing exactly what was wrong, but not trying to do anything to alleviate the frustration.
3 hours TOTAL (edit: acount total). The rest of your post is not relevant or passive aggressive when you take that in to account.
We couldn’t play for a day that we wanted to play. Get it?
Oh, I see. She’d logged the 3 hours on a previous day, or in character creation? Fair enough, though that wasn’t made particularly clear earlier in the thread. Or in this post of yours.
But ok. In that case your problems are much more reasonable.
No. Put at least a tiny bit of effort in to get your AP.
Don’t try to narrow the problem down to how OP should play with his wife.
Well, the problem in this particular thread would not exist if the OP had used some common sense to explain things and suggest a change, rather than watching his wife get frustrated over the course of hours.
I agree there’s a potential problem for new players who are on their own, and have no idea of their other options.
The super specific requirements are the worst IMO. Even though I couldn’t care less about daily achievement points, I do understand that it sucks for people who do. You know, since there is a whole reward based platform based off achievement points, not to mention leader boards (if they still exist).
In the previous system, as someone who tried to get all my daily AP every day, it took me 1-2 hours to get it all. Now it takes me less than 10 mins. People who cared about AP had to tick off every single item from a list before; now they can choose the 3 easiest. This is a massive improvement for AP hunters.
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Do you see why I wrote that now? Every post so far has been to tell me I am wrong. really? I wrote nothing anyone can agree on? Not one thing I said had any validity at all? I’m not unreasonable, the post is being trolled.
So anyone who disagrees with you is a troll. It’s not at all possible that other people have reasonable opinions that are different to your own. Hmm…
Anyway. Play because you enjoy playing. Don’t play because you get given pixel that only exist in the context of the thing you don’t enjoy playing that much. The rewards for open-world PvE are pretty good, given the difficulty and effort involved.
You don’t feel rewarded by things like blues and greens? Well, you wouldn’t feel rewarded by rares and exotics either, if they were dropping so much in the open world that casual players would frequently get them. Because all the players with more time for farming would be getting them in far greater quantities. This game is an MMO: that means that rewards have to be balanced against a spectrum of play-styles and play-times.
As someone who wants to someday max out my daily AP, I find that the new dailies give me a ton more choice. Because it’s incredibly easy to complete 3 in under 10 mins. I can then use the rest of my gaming time doing whatever I want, rather than spending 1-2 hours ticking off boxes.
Now, you may say that it’s my choice to want to max out AP, and if I didn’t want to… I could’ve just done whatever I liked and got my daily anyway. Perhaps… except, the new system takes that into account too. All your former daily rewards are now log-in rewards… the only thing you get from completing 3 dailies is the 10 AP. So really, if you’re not interested in AP, you are now completely free from ever having to do dailies ever again. Which gives you more choice.
The problem is not the new system. The problem is that all the players have gotten into the habit of having to do dailies, and can’t get themselves out of that habit. The choice to do whatever you want in game is there. You just have to make it, rather than blindly doing dailies.
Your minis should be exactly where they always were. You have to add them to the wardrobe yourself.
Considering the huge numbers of cheap choir bells available outside the bell choir activity, I do think they could probably get rid of “Free Play.” That is a pointless waste of time at the end.
You say you’re not a new player, don’t you have a level 80 to finish it up on? You can switch you know. I’ve switched between 4 chars doing this. As for the JPs, a bit of a pain but there are people porting if you can’t do them.
Yes, I have twelve level 80s. Silly as it may seem, however, I started this with my asura warrior, and if I ever should ever finish it, it will be with him. Also, I’ve done every non-holiday jumping puzzle in the game without mesmery assistance, with two exceptions: the one in Southsun with the geysers and the aetherblade thing. I did Spekk’s lab long, long ago with my necro. As I recall, it took somewhere in the vicinity of three hours because of the timed platforms. Let me go slow, take my time, and I’ll manage. Rush me, and it’s most likely not going to happen.
I could pay for a port, sure, but I’ve only got 14 gold, due to finally getting tailoring up to 500 (along a little mystic toilet mayhem). Whee.
Looking through my old screenshots folder… there we go. I did Spekk’s on 10/10/2012. After many falls into the lava, I stripped my necro down to her undies to save on armor repair. I’ve done some of the other jumping puzzles more than once, and some even multiple times, but this one? Heh, nope.
Look at that marvelous loot!
If you’re going to put a lot of arbitrary restrictions on what you do, and how you do it, then yes, you will find it’s a lot harder to do some things. If those restrictions help you have fun, then I’m not going to judge. To each his own. But from making this thread, it seems like they’re just making you miserable at the moment.
have really less to do with Christmas (if at all)
They have nothing to do with Christmas. There are no Christians in Tyria.
Wow people are really defending this change… I didn’t realize the game had sunk so low that something like this is actually defensible….
Same could be said about those against the change.
Yea, except I think the common sense view says that taking away options (which Anet has now done twice to the daily achievements) is usually less desirable than adding more options, or in some cases leaving the available options alone. So the “same thing could be said about those against the change” part really doesn’t hold up.
Oh, that and the fact that people are in here spending so much time complaining about the kittenup Anet did to the dailies instead of working on those dailies, because they now suck, should tell you something. And yes I did try the new dailies system.
The only part about the opposition to the new system that I agree with is that it took away options. However, I believe that the 10 AP by doing just 3 achievements, and that they’re quicker to do, more than make up for it.
People complain for various reasons. Many people have complained without even trying it. Other people complain just to complain. Just because people complain doesn’t mean that it’s inherently a bad update. People are more likely to complain than praise.
Quicker to do, like getting to level 80 to get to be able to survive Silverwastes? That’s quicker how again?
I am not complaining just to complain, I am complaining with specific points listed, and just because some people are defending this doesn’t automatically make it a good update either.
Also, as far as the less likely to praise, as I posted elsewhere, if you see something wrong and don’t say anything, that mus mean that you are OK with it. If I see something worthy of praise, I will do so, and have done here and in map chat. Some of the improvements they have done were actual improvements. Wardrobe skins and acct wide dyes are a portion, though even things with that need to still be fixed.
I’m not talking about new players. Only a small percentage of the player base doesn’t have at least one level 80.
More options benefits more players, period. Doesn’t matter what level chars they have or how many or how long they have been playing.
Doing less work to get more rewards (all 10 AP at once like it is with the new system) devalues those rewards despite many repeated (and failed) attempts by the people who are OK with this system to say otherwise.
Those are my two basic and main complaints with this latest kittenup of the daily system. It is more of the all-or-nothing type of argument that many of you are using to support your views of this.
So, essentially: you want rewards that are available without having to put any extra effort in, so that you can feel a greater sense of accomplishment from having achieved something? Got it.
Lyssan: you get all the AP for a tiny fraction of the time spent previously.
What this means, is that you can use all the rest of your time however you want. Apparently your preferred way of spending time is getting angry on forums, and well, now you can get the daily and still have many happy hours to spend on that. Good news all round, I think.
-Grindy Achievements
Grinding is not fun, and the recent trend of including some extremely grindy achievements that are in addition only limited for a very limited time is worrying! Let’s take the current example of Wintersday, which includes four of these!-Bell choir, 3 AP/30 songs for 20 AP total, 210 songs required
-Toypocalypse, 3 AP/30 rounds for 15 AP total, 150 rounds required
-Wonderland, 3 AP/15 completions for 15 AP total, 75 completions required
-Snowball, 3 AP/30 rounds for 15 AP total, 150 rounds required
You don’t have to do them. You’ve done the maths: small amounts of AP, massive amounts of time. If you don’t think it’s worth it, don’t do them.
It beggars belief how many people are so desperate for AP that they feel “forced” to do stuff like this.
The AP, in these cases, is there in case people actually like the activities, and want to do them quite a lot. The AP is not there to try and get people to grind out every last tiny achievement point.
You’re not getting any rewards for defending structures, but lose the bonuses you’d get if you let the enemy capture your building and afterwards capture it back.
Killing 20 players while defending something gives you better rewards than capping it. Both in terms of loot and wxp. The only thing you miss out on is a little karma, and you’ll even make that up if you get multiple defend events.
OP: defend all you want. EotM is a WvW map, and nothing the k-trainers can do will change that. This game is very carefully segregated between PvP and PvE, so if people want to avoid PvP, it’s very easy for them to do so.
I don’t mind the new dailies. They’re mostly much, much quicker and easier than dailies before, and you only need to do 3. Whereas before, it would take me 1-2 hours to get all my daily AP, now it takes me <10 mins.
The only issue I have is with dailies requiring something on a long timer, like a World Boss. I don’t feel the need to do those myself, but I can understand how it would frustrate people with a short play time.
I think it unlocks at level 15. They changed a bunch of stuff like this a few months ago, so I’m not certain, but try leveling up a couple more times and see if that works.
It shouldn’t matter. The game should just read what the equipment is (ie. light, Ascended, type of stats), rather than the skin. What happens when you tried to equip it on a different character?
Daily is easy but if your PvE and *****HATE JUMPING PUZZLES****** then monthly is to hard to get.
6 boxes not circled. You only need 4.
You also appear to not be a PvE only player. What with all your monthly PvP wins and rank points.
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Thank you for proving the OP has a point.
OP shouldn’t be so open regarding his sexual orientation.
Oh? And why is that?
Oh, it’s you again. I’m sorry that this sort of thing is still upsetting you so much. Given that you won’t even be looking at this thread again, there’s probably no point in replying, but I’ll do so anyway.
1) You’re right: fighting hate with hate isn’t going to solve anything. It’s not even going to achieve anything – nobody is going to care about heterophobic insults (if they even recognise them as such). The most you’ll achieve is getting yourself banned, if you actually manage to be insulting, and I don’t think that’s going to make you any happier.
2) What words to you want filtered? As far as I’ve seen, most words which are actually offensive are covered by the filter. ‘Gay’? Yes, it can be used offensively (in the ‘gay’ = ‘lame’ or ‘bad’ way), and I’ve gone very strongly on record in favour of offensive uses being bannable. But it isn’t inherently offensive. If I tell someone that I’m gay, then what’s wrong with that? In fact, I would be insulted if the word gay were filtered, because that would imply there was something wrong with being gay.
Other times, the offense isn’t caused by particular words, but by the content of what is being said. You can very easily be racist, sexist or homophobic, while only using language that is perfectly acceptable.
I imagine Anet realises this, and therefore can’t do anything about it. All they can do is have a human check if the usage is offensive or not, and then respond accordingly. Unfortunately, that can only work against each specific individual, so any other player can appear and start saying the same things. Admittedly, I have no idea how harshly (if at all) they punish people for casual homophobia, especially when it’s more ambiguous, so maybe they could be more harsh about that. But otherwise, it’s the best solution possible, as far as I can see.
3) Remember, you don’t have to read any chat you don’t want to. Restrict your chat window to guild only, or whatever. I know, this isn’t a great solution, because you’re having to restrict yourself for something that other people are doing wrong, but if you’re consistently getting so upset by other people, then it might be better for your own peace of mind.
And could that be Rytlock in the background? ^^
No, it’s Evon, of course. Hence the quote: he literally just sold them to the dragon.
Please define “adult concepts” and “meaningful.”
I wouldn’t mind new skills, but they don’t even appear on my list of priorities for what I would like in the game.
Oh, are we playing this game? I can do it too!
“I thought the latest living story chapter was extremely misogynistic. Who was the thieving, lying, betraying villain? Caithe: yet another woman.”
Funny how you can support pretty much any argument when you cherrypick facts and have absolutely no sense of perspective.
I remember one of the first times I did the zone, you could pour buckets of water on them to stop them exploding. I never found the buckets again in later completions of that zone, but it’s possible they’re still around.
People talking about percentages… go look at the Achievement Points leaderboards. I’m going from my friends and guild lists, which unfortunately don’t feature a nice spread, but it’ll do for a couple of examples.
A player with 3645 AP is in the 90% bracket. That means that fewer than 10% of all players ever got to 3645 AP.
A player with 420 AP is in the 40% bracket. Meaning 40%+ of all players never even got to 420 AP.
Tell me again how “most” players are demanding hardcore content?
I’m not against it, in moderation. But pretending it would be touched by anything other than a small section of the population is ridiculous.