Guild Wars 2

expandas.7051:

Kovu’s got it pretty much spot on. Dragonbrand lacks NA-TZ raiding guilds and pugmanders that can compete with the 20-mans from other servers. There are definitely pugs and roamers about, but let’s be real- nobody wants to die and people WILL fight from the safety of walls. I honestly can’t blame them since DH and AR never do anything without a group of at least 15.

Aren’t you the guy with the spy account on AR that was caught destroying golems parked at spawn about a month ago?

displayname.8315:

If you looking t4 they will probably be there soon enough the way they have been winning.

And they will quickly get stomped because they won’t have several hours in the early morning where they are ticking for 600 points.

DB ranks right up their with SoR and SF for the most boring servers to fight. During NA prime they roll around in 1 blob that flat out runs from groups that they don’t have at least 3-1 odds on. If you come to a tower with 1 person in it with an ac they will move on until they find one undefended, and their roamers don’t exist.

If you are looking at that tier I would like to say you would be better off joining AR or DH but then you’d be stuck in a boring match up with DB…..

What really needs to happen is DH and AR need to quit hitting each other and focus DB so they can get knocked down to T6 with SoR and SF. Let the boring servers work out their karma train rotation and never have to worry about fighting anyone again.

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

SkiTz.4590:

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

TurtleDragon.3108:

DarkWasp.7291:

Well at least in PvE, Ranger is a top level DPS option.

• Sword auto is brutal
• Stability is very helpful
• Double Path of Scars is brutal
• Double Rapid Fire is brutal
• Two spirits that boost team DPS (Frost gives a 7% increase and Sun works great too)
• Great area condition cleanse
• Perfect candidate to use extra ele weapon summons

So when you hear PvE people saying it’s terrible, they obviously missed the potential.

And all of those are inferrior to having a 2nd ele in the group.

you have no idea what a rangers capabilities are , and most of the rangers you come across in Pugs are not using the class correctly or Using very poor timing + rotations .

spotter + frost is still a very powerful damage boost.
so is the Quickdraw , Gs+Sword/Axe in full zerker gear its Dps is a third higher than that of pre-patch .

there is no point in having a second ele in a pug set up you could be double stacking might wasting 25might so it make no difference if its a 2nd ele or a 2nd warroir or a 2nd guardain , these dungeons can be 4manned regardless of what the 5th is running.

his points are proven facts , over many other threads even DnT on both power and condi builds, of which speed run times are only a few seconds slower than the so called 2nd ele or doubling up on classes.

rangers are great in any mode now.
and honestly there are better builds than those that DnT made.

I’d rather have an extra ice bow than a ranger. 2nd ele means 2 additional ice bow 4s. Thats more DPS than spotter + frost spirit. Majority of the bosses drop in seconds with 4 icebows. the 2nd eles DPS rotations is just as good, if not better than ranger… so whats the point?

I think most of use would prefer 2nd ele over a ranger….Sure ranger is perfectly fine and complete any group content, but If I had my choice, Id rather have an extra ele in party than ranger…

and that is my point entirely they Should of never Buffed icebow, to a point where you think its mandatory when it is not , its only a improvement if you are Gunning for a Speed run Record and if you bring that crap into a casual/just for laughs < this is my point right here , you may Want it because its " Easier/faster" but that does not give anyone the right TO KICK a ranger player! just so you can Shave off 10secs.

and no most would prefer a less Cheesy way of dealing with bosses than picking up a ice bow Speed spamming Ice 4 and 2 just to drop it, simply Lazy and there is just no need for Ice bows at all anyway , you can finish the dungeons just as quick now by stacking up Burning combos.

its optional Not Mandatory so yes , you can take more Eles if you’d like but don’;t Quote most US would prefer one.

It’s not mandatory, but it is preferred by most people. I main a ranger but if I was making a pug group for a dungeon and I had a ranger and an ele trying to get the last spot I would pick the ele every time.

The dungeons in this game are boring as hell but they are good for making money. On the rare occasions I do them I want to get through them as quickly as possible. That means skipping sections, using cheese tactics like ice bows, etc.

The people I know that do dungeons daily have even less patience for them than I do because they’ve run them hundreds of times. They are looking for fast and effective, they don’t care if you think it’s lazy.

Sommazzatore.8367:

You guys are probably the only group of people in the game that want Ranger buffs. Position yourselves right (L2P) and you will continue to dominate with the least amount of effort (minus Mes and Ele of course, but they will be nerfed soon enough.)

Take a look at how much everyone agrees with you
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/How-would-you-rank-the-professions/first#post5384501

Yeti.6320:

In case you dont know, Obsidian Sanctum is still around.

OS doesn’t let you GvG guilds outside of your tier, that’s why players use eotm for it on occasion.

Gaile Gray.6029:

Taverius.8645:

Well, I had 2 posts but looks like one of the moderators deleted one them, so we lost a whole lot of bugs. Will contact mods.

Edit: moved all the bugs to a google doc, makes it easier to keep up to date than splitting them onto 2 posts with limited character count.

Hi there,

I just read through this entire thread twice, and none of your posts were deleted. I’m sorry that it didn’t appear, but I imagine that the reason you don’t see it is that it didn’t “take” on the forums. But again, no deletions, removals, or hiding of posts took place, so I encourage you to repost the information.

Glad to hear someone is still reading this, hopefully we can see some fixes roll out soon.

I mess around with this http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNQQJARVnUqA9CiluBusActgh/gaf9MIA+04HGeefz3NogVJA-TlCEABLqmCBPCgEVtYLlgGcEAYSZWTKNSa/h20FAwFAgUARsAA-w from time to time while roaming. It’s hilarious in 1v1’s and decent in small groups but the effectiveness drops off pretty badly when fighting larger groups. In those situations I swap to longbow and adjust traits if I need to.

But basically 2 low cooldown shouts do a decent job of keeping condi’s off of you and your pet. Pet taunt gives you the perfect opportunity to strafe and stun. Quickdraw keeps your stuns on a low cooldown. Strength of the Pack +remorseless= multiple opening strikes for some nice damage.

Depending on your group comp you might consider running entangle over strength of the pack for less damage but more cc.

What rangers really need to be viable is access to boon stripping and at least 1 teleport.

Zetsumei.4975:

This isn’t an exploit. They even specifically said that a benefit of this change means that they don’t have to deal with the AC exploiters before the patch because it puts everyone on a level playing field. There have been suggestions to fix the field of view automatically when you wield an AC etc though.

I can’t wait for the patch that lets everyone start flying and teleporting under the map so we can all be on the same level!

Tao.1234:

I personally have no problem roaming solo with my PU Condi Mesmer.

gross

I had a pvp match the other day with the worst thief I’ve ever seen, he instantly died when he tried to +1 fights, he never decapped empty points, at the start of the game he decided to jump on home even though someone already said they were grabbing it in team chat, he basically spent the whole game doing that, jumping on a point that was already being capped.

The real problem was he was going off in chat blaming everyone else that we were losing, when we would point out that he wasn’t doing anything useful he would say, ” then why do I have the highest points?”

@Op, congrats on getting the high score in pvp, it means so much.

I think I figure out what we are getting with druids. We recently received the trait “protective ward”, it’s very possible this is a glimpse of what druid will bring (hopefully on a larger scale).

I would very much like to see the return of some of the GW1 ward spells like http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ward_Against_Foes causing slowness in the area, http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ward_Against_Melee giving 50% chance top block melee in the area, and maybe one of the ones that causes health degen.

This would provide amazing team support and make rangers fantastic point holders in PvP, and it seems to fit the druid theme pretty well.

What do y’all think, would you be happy with this and if so what wards would you like to see?

coglin.1867:

Avigrus.2871:

Fight Yaks Bend in it’s current iteration is too much to bare.

Mid fields siege, tower/keep camping, spawn camping and blobbing everywhere. 5 people trying to re-cap a keep get blobbed by 40…. no words.

I do not see a ligitimate complaint any where in this post. Are you suggesting that there is a problem simply because your losing? Or is the complaint that the tactics you are losing to are a problem? If the tactics are an issue, that is your problem, as I see it, not an issue with the game.

Complaining about the state of T2 at the moment is completely legitimate, Yaks is disgustingly stacked.

This situation is exactly why they changed the server statuses to reflect the WvW population. It helps keep the kittenty players from gaming the system and ruining WvW for everyone else. Unfortunately for T2 players the change came pretty late and they are stuck with the option of suffering through a crappy match up or transferring down.

Darkness.9732:

Ranger community will be upset for the druid reveal.
Since ranger class was left behind..for years now…I presume that druid ( which is just a trait line ) won’ t move the ranger from its bad spot.
There are no more rangers around in wvw. Anet should ask herself why

Taverius.8645:

Well, I had 2 posts but looks like one of the moderators deleted one them, so we lost a whole lot of bugs.

Will contact mods.

Edit: moved all the bugs to a google doc, makes it easier to keep up to date than splitting them onto 2 posts with limited character count.

Puck.9612:

Ranger shouts with trooper runes aren’t removing condi’s from allies, only from the ranger and the pet.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/shout-build-1/first#post5368730

I’m assuming this also happens when the shouts are traited?

Yup

Spurrlock.3219:

I run Hiro’s build and I LOVE it. Great all around build.

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQJATRjEqQLL2wCmsAVLGyEqOZDgD4n8I/x9EPBa8SWRXA-TpBFABCcBAEvMADHBAEOEAyt/AAPAAA

Lol I was dueling this morning and threw together almost the exact same build, decided to take it into unranked for Lol’s after I was done and was easily 2v1’ing on point.

Biggest difference was I didn’t have traveler’s runes unlocked since I was on my alt account so I ran rage runes instead. Made rotating kind of crappy but that extra crit damage plus the 5% damage buff was pretty nice.

If you are casual about PvP ranger will work fine.
Definitely drop the bear, if you want something tanky use a drake.
Check out this thread for build ideas https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/New-Builds-List-40-builds-All-modes/first

I personally run on something similar to this for roaming http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQJATRnUqA9CiNsAusActgh/gaf9FIA49Nf3gPN+hj+gVfeA-TFDEABLqOie6AuUlACeAAbpE0gLBATKzmUFjmUa0mmgk2fAgjAAhAMvAA-w

I love playing ranger, it is without a doubt my favorite class and a ton of fun….. but if you are really into PvP and that’s all you plan on doing you should go with mesmer or ele. Both are OP in PvP and since anet takes 6-12 months to balance anything they will be OP for a long time.

Of course the best thing to do is get a couple more character slots so you can play every class. It’s a lot easier to kill a profession when you are familiar with all of it’s mechanics.

Wryscher.1432:

Puck.9612:

Coyote.7031:

Tongku.5326:

… They’re doing it to you, its only a matter of time before even you or those you play with get fed up with it as well to the point they will quit WvW or not play as much or the game altogether…

This is me right now in T3. I transferred up to get more people to play since I tend to play more mornings than evenings. And now prime time is all GvG guilds, which is fun sometimes, I follow them a bit and it’s sadly more rewarding than most WvWing. But it causes a few issues. The don’t attack or defend points, they can have 15 to 40 people on the map(more than one guild group generally) which can push us to the map cap but that’s true for our enemies, some groups do hit the “ppt” players and even farm them for easy bags, it can cause tag confusion, and they will never let T3 change. So if our server wanted to move up or down, it probably won’t happen.

And honestly I don’t really understand the appeal. It’s like, two groups run at each other and see which group dies, and then they regroup and do it again. It’s like kill farming. I get that their is skill involved, I’ve been running with a few guilds learning, but I still don’t really get it. Bags are cool I guess.

So now I wasted 300g+ to play with some people and my choices are: do it again, fork over 30 bucks or whatever it is or suck it up. And given the fact I was already iffy on the expansion, I’m leaning to “bleep it, see you guys when it’s on sale.”

Yeah it’s totally crazy to think some people might prefer to fight each other in a PvP game mode instead of attacking doors to “win” WvW.

But it isnt just the doors they arent attacking. And ive seen this situation play out again and again, so it isnt isolated.

First group is hiding in a tower/fort. Second group comes and knocks down a door or two. First group balls up in tower. Second group backs off and jumps up and down emoting. First group jumps and down emoting. Second group goes i wish these guys would fight us in a open field lets go. Second group leaves. It isnt even a case of siege none was down.

I get these guilds are aiming for fair gvg battles and if that is what they enjoy, great. But dont act like they are just looking for a fight either.

Sounds like they didn’t want to push a bad choke, which is smart since the stability change makes that an even worse disadvantage then before.

Anyway what’s your point? T3 is locked for the time being, winning or losing in PPT isn’t going to bump anyone out of that tier. It makes absolutely no difference.

Let the GvG’ers have fun in their own way, if you want to cap something then go cap something.

I heard when you transfer to DB you are automatically issued a stack of arrow carts. Your standing orders are to find a tower and sit on an arrow cart until 4am est, at that point you can geeveegee some doors.

I was thinking signets should give something like 3-5 seconds of resistance on activation.

It really depends on the server you are fighting. Some severs still have plenty of good solo/small groups running around. Others will flat out run from you even if they have you outnumbered, camp in towers with ac’s and wait until they can get a 20+ man group together before chasing you down with venom wells.

Coyote.7031:

Tongku.5326:

… They’re doing it to you, its only a matter of time before even you or those you play with get fed up with it as well to the point they will quit WvW or not play as much or the game altogether…

This is me right now in T3. I transferred up to get more people to play since I tend to play more mornings than evenings. And now prime time is all GvG guilds, which is fun sometimes, I follow them a bit and it’s sadly more rewarding than most WvWing. But it causes a few issues. The don’t attack or defend points, they can have 15 to 40 people on the map(more than one guild group generally) which can push us to the map cap but that’s true for our enemies, some groups do hit the “ppt” players and even farm them for easy bags, it can cause tag confusion, and they will never let T3 change. So if our server wanted to move up or down, it probably won’t happen.

And honestly I don’t really understand the appeal. It’s like, two groups run at each other and see which group dies, and then they regroup and do it again. It’s like kill farming. I get that their is skill involved, I’ve been running with a few guilds learning, but I still don’t really get it. Bags are cool I guess.

So now I wasted 300g+ to play with some people and my choices are: do it again, fork over 30 bucks or whatever it is or suck it up. And given the fact I was already iffy on the expansion, I’m leaning to “bleep it, see you guys when it’s on sale.”

Yeah it’s totally crazy to think some people might prefer to fight each other in a PvP game mode instead of attacking doors to “win” WvW.

CalmAndCool.5938:

I took a look at tier 2. Three people couldn’t kill me. I’d call that Suck

About a week ago I killed a pu shatter mes as a level 25 ranger. This wasn’t some brand new player, he was a silver general roaming around solo on one of the easiest builds in the game. That was pretty much the last straw for me in the kitten show that T2 has become, I moved my alt account to T3 right after that.

Agreed, I love getting salty whispers in game but it’s very annoying not being able to whisper them back since they never unblocked me. At least if the crying is entertaining enough I can screen shot it and post it on the fun forums.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

I really wanna see a 2h Spear with Stances.

I really love those spear skills. Not sure about the stance durations though. I feel like 5 seconds is just too short for those cooldowns. And maybe give run as one a passive 25% movement speed.

Jasher.6580:

Puck.9612:

It costs them nothing but play time. Transferring down costs something like 85 gold, that’s maybe a day or 2 of doing PvE if they don’t have it already.

I don’t know which game you are playing but I’ve been playing since release and I don’t have 85 gold…

Sell the mats in your inventory, run a few dungeons (I know it’s awful but they are stupid easy and very profitable), build and sell guild catas, exchange badges for golems and make some omegas to sell, or if you feel like wearing out your mouse just convert karma to gold.

Or… you could just continue to qq on the forums about the first good change WvW has gotten in a long friggin time. Your choice, I don’t really care either way.

Jasher.6580:

Puck.9612:

If he is really a such a good friend he will transfer down to join you on a server that is open.

It’s about 8 people. It’s expensive for all of them to transfer.

It costs them nothing but play time. Transferring down costs something like 85 gold, that’s maybe a day or 2 of doing PvE if they don’t have it already.

Raven.9603:

Tongku.5326:

I feel bad for you guys. I experienced this few months on T2, its pretty bad. if I were you, I would follow them on purpose in entire groups and jump in as they start fighting, or something like that. They are detrimental to rest of the playerbase and what remains of server communities. the sooner you can get rid of them the better off you will be.

So I should ruin the fun of other people because they aren’t playing the same game as the rest of us in this space? No, thats not right either. I will leave harassing people for dueling and GvG fights to the insecure Arenanet developer who sends nasty tells to players fighting behind south camp.

^ +1

……First, why did you post this in the spvp section?
Secondly, your really good friend is one of the people that bandwagoned onto the higher servers and helped to cause a huge imbalance in the WvW server populations. The upper servers are now locked to try and fix the problem your friend helped create. If he is really a such a good friend he will transfer down to join you on a server that is open.

Kitty La Boom Boom.4065:

Puck.9612:

Kitty La Boom Boom.4065:

With the spec as it currently is, I would have to agree with you, but as I said, this is still in beta, and it looks to me as though the devs really are listening to the players.

Where you see futility, I see potential, especially when folks can loosen the death grip they have on all things Berzerker, and start to get creative with their builds.

I never said it was unfixable, I only spoke about its current incarnation. The entire game is full of potential, it has been for years, unfortunately that potential has been wasted and I don’t see any indication that anet is doing anything to change that.

I guess my quota for pessimism has already been filled this week. I’m just in too good a mood after having so much fun playing my Reaper over the weekend. I really feel like the new spec also brought new life into the class for me, especially with so much potential for “Rise” to give the MM a new lease on life (or death, however you want to think of it, lol)

Like I said, I haven’t played it. But since I WvW/PvP 99% of the time I am judging it on how effective it is instead of how fun it is to play. It was so easy fighting them on ranged characters that it almost felt like cheating. It won’t be any good for roaming, maybe they can build tanky and try to frontline in zergs but they still don’t really have the stability for it, plus I still think they would be much more useful as a wellomancer .

If I was an open world PvE player I’m sure I would love it, the animations look awesome.

It’s usually still enough with longbow, without it you might consider throwing on a sigil of generosity or purity.

OGDeadHead.8326:

The effect of ranger shouts doesn’t directly affect allies, most warrior shouts do. Question is – the warrior shouts “Fear Me!” and “On My Mark!”, do they work with Soldier runes in such a way that they clear conditions on allies when used?

I’ll test that out later when I get home.

have you considered clarion bond for more fury uptime, or to allow you to drop warhorn all together for axe?
I’ve run a similar build but I swapped the WS line for skirmishing to get the guaranteed opening strike on weapon swap and to make use of quickdraw for double mauls/path of scars.
I also tend to swap back and forth between zephyr’s speend and BW. The quickness comes in really handy and makes the swords auto a monster.

Kitty La Boom Boom.4065:

With the spec as it currently is, I would have to agree with you, but as I said, this is still in beta, and it looks to me as though the devs really are listening to the players.

Where you see futility, I see potential, especially when folks can loosen the death grip they have on all things Berzerker, and start to get creative with their builds.

I never said it was unfixable, I only spoke about its current incarnation. The entire game is full of potential, it has been for years, unfortunately that potential has been wasted and I don’t see any indication that anet is doing anything to change that.

Kitty La Boom Boom.4065:

Puck.9612:

I haven’t preordered so I didn’t get a chance to play reaper but from what I have seen reapers are pretty lack luster. The ones I went up against in PvP and WvW I completely manhandled, and from what I’ve read about their performance in PvE they are doing even less damage because their attacks are so slow.

I don’t think anet is really trying to improve on a classes weaknesses, I think they are coming up with a name that sounds like it thematically fits with the class and adding things that look cool whether they are useful or not.

Unless you play a Necro often, and have played with the Reaper class, then I really think you should reserve judgement here. This is the beta stage, and if the improvements made to the Revenant, after the first go around of player feedback, are anything to go by, then I think Reaper has a LOT of potential once they make some adjustments. I can tell you first hand, that Reaper is a LOT of fun to play. I don’t do PvP, but i have read reports from players that do, and did well in PvP once they got a good build figured out.

I think a lot of the problems that people are having with the new specs is that they are still trying to play with current builds and gear, instead of being creative and trying out new ways to do things, while taking the spec traits into consideration for synergy with other traits. Yes, there are some problems that need solving, but that is what these BWEs are for. Please don’t make judgements based on your own preconceptions.

I’m really looking forward to seeing what they do for Druid, as I play my ranger just as much as I play my Necro.

You might want to take your own advice since you don’t play pvp.

I play my necro quite a bit in pvp and WvW. Reaper does nothing to make up for the areas where we are lacking, and if they do less damage in pve than a regular necro what’s the point in using them there?

Seh.5397:

I just laugh about that “Eotm guild” lolol

Everybody does. It’s funny as hell to hop into eotm during boring match ups and wreck the k-train. so many salty tears.

This already happens. Just join the EOTM guild, a lot of the time the commanders will party up so they can see each other on the map and avoid each other.

CalmAndCool.5938:

There is a reason they have no population in WvW. Its called Suck

It’s called they didn’t get the bandwagon. You are fooling yourself if you think that being in a higher tier makes you a better player, winning in WvW is a numbers game. I’ve played in every tier, the only difference is population and coverage.

HamHat.5201:

And everyone that wants to join the tier 1 servers can’t, meaning wvw is dying off, because we can’t get fresh players into the servers.

SMH… WvW doesn’t revolve around the T1 servers. If you are tired of the stale match up that you are stuck in (because T1 players thought it would be healthy for the game to bandwagon and manipulate matches for so long) then transfer. T4-7 are constantly fluctuating.

Apparently shouts aren’t removing condi’s from teammates https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/shout-build-1/first#post5369667

Tragic Positive.9356:

Puck.9612:

I have been completely objective in this matter. Go back and look at my first post in this thread, what I said is we lost damage modifiers (which is true) but we can make up the damage with new traits (also true). Whether you like this change or not doesn’t make what I said any less true.

I personally really like the changes now, however I do feel that what we were given wasn’t enough to stay competitive with how much some of the other classes were buffed. I don’t feel we need more damage but we do need changes such as
-reworking EB
-reverting HS
-giving us better pet control
-making opening strikes for pets baseline and in place of alpha training giving us a minor that makes opening strikes unblockable (to deal with the crazy amount of reflect and projectile blocking that is around now)
-a port skill (need that mobility to be competitive in PvP)
-a rework of MDG
-a way to strip boons
-etc.

I find crit chance as much of a damage modifier as a raw one. One is RNG, the other is not. So as far as my memory is concerned, we only lost the 5% from eagle eye.
And yes, the rest pretty much buffed us straight. Which you didn’t agree on.

The Ranger now being clunky is something that needs to be addressed. But the problem are the bugs. Not mechanics in particular (I agree that MDG needs a complete remake, though).
I personally find double Swoop a valid way for point rotation. Nope, we don’t have the port, but I don’t find myself in a need of one anymore. Our defense was buffed just enough to make up for that lack.
About the way to strip boons – this is still the issue to be addressed since Rangers do not have any burst damage whatsoever.

Agree to disagree.

I love double swoop and it’s fantastic for open areas like WvW but it doesn’t compare to being able to port directly into the clocktower in kyhlo, or dropping a portal at mid/far and rotating back instantly. It would be game changing if SotH active was changed to a targeted teleport, or if we had a skill similar to guard to place our pets in area and then port back to them.

Actually that would work well if they reworked some of the shouts. Give us a way to flag the pets to an area like in GW1, drastically increase the leash range, and change “protect me” to a skill that breaks stun and teleports you to your pet (or nearest ally if your pet is dead).

I really like the idea of mainhand dagger and have been asking for that for a long time. I just don’t know how well uppercut would work with it. I feel to justify how strong it is you would have to give it a really long cooldown. Personally I’d rather see a backwards evade that cripples and torments. That would work really well with the forward leap of dagger 3 and the evade on off hand dagger.

Tragic Positive.9356:

Puck.9612:

Tragic Positive.9356:

Puck.9612:

We also lost the 10% damage from Hunter’s tactics, the extra power from strength of spirit and we lost some ferocity so our crits are also hitting for 5ish% less. With the loss of Eagle Eye that starts to add up. And I know this affects all classes but fire/air took a damage nerf as well. But like I said, we can make up the damage with our new traits so it’s not a straight nerf but I wouldn’t exactly call it a buff. It just makes the class a little more interesting.

As far as condi removal goes, there were plenty of people that specced into SotF and EB when running condi builds. Healing spring also worked reliably and EB didn’t insta kill pets thanks to burn stacks.

You mean that 10% damage > 10% crit chance that is a buff for Zerks, since my crit damage is already 220%? That was a buff >.>
Everyone lost stats and gained some baseline. This is not a nerf.

Staying a little bit more objective wouldn’t hurt.

Objective? Just because it benefited your build doesn’t mean all builds benefit from it.

For example, remorseless builds would benefit a lot more from a straight damage buff rather than a higher crit chance.

It benefits Condi Crit builds (Dire) more, it benefits Sinister more than straight 10% dmg buff, it benefits Zerk builds more.

And it only doesn’t apply to 4-6 hits of your remorseless setup and works the same way as Zerk on the rest. You just don’t see that your numbers are not 10% higher and you calmly ignore that you get 10% more critical strikes, that are, surprisingly, 220% even in remorseless setup (the usual PvP route is swapping Crit for Toughness if I’m correct).

That’s why I asked you to get objective in this matter.

I have been completely objective in this matter. Go back and look at my first post in this thread, what I said is we lost damage modifiers (which is true) but we can make up the damage with new traits (also true). Whether you like this change or not doesn’t make what I said any less true.

I personally really like the changes now, however I do feel that what we were given wasn’t enough to stay competitive with how much some of the other classes were buffed. I don’t feel we need more damage but we do need changes such as
-reworking EB
-reverting HS
-giving us better pet control
-making opening strikes for pets baseline and in place of alpha training giving us a minor that makes opening strikes unblockable (to deal with the crazy amount of reflect and projectile blocking that is around now)
-a port skill (need that mobility to be competitive in PvP)
-a rework of MDG
-a way to strip boons
-etc.

Tragic Positive.9356:

Puck.9612:

We also lost the 10% damage from Hunter’s tactics, the extra power from strength of spirit and we lost some ferocity so our crits are also hitting for 5ish% less. With the loss of Eagle Eye that starts to add up. And I know this affects all classes but fire/air took a damage nerf as well. But like I said, we can make up the damage with our new traits so it’s not a straight nerf but I wouldn’t exactly call it a buff. It just makes the class a little more interesting.

As far as condi removal goes, there were plenty of people that specced into SotF and EB when running condi builds. Healing spring also worked reliably and EB didn’t insta kill pets thanks to burn stacks.

You mean that 10% damage > 10% crit chance that is a buff for Zerks, since my crit damage is already 220%? That was a buff >.>
Everyone lost stats and gained some baseline. This is not a nerf.

Staying a little bit more objective wouldn’t hurt.

Objective? Just because it benefited your build doesn’t mean all builds benefit from it.

For example, remorseless builds would benefit a lot more from a straight damage buff rather than a higher crit chance.

Tragic Positive.9356:

Puck.9612:

Justine.6351:

Power builds and ranger builds in general did get buffs as well including more condi cleanse despite people apparently thinking rangers don’t have enough condi removal options.

I disagree. What we got were more options. We lost straight up damage modifiers but we can now spec fully into BM and use things like quickdraw and remorseless to make up the damage. We lost condi removal but gained other new defensive options.

Other than the trap, HS, and spirit changes (and all the bugs) the ranger is definitely better and more interesting to play but these are the types of changes we needed to be on par with the other classes before they got buffed.

We lost 5% from Eagle Eye. That’s it.
We lost condi removal only if you went for 2-6-6 … Which pretty much no one did because it cost you a lot of damage.

Your words could have been true if you didn’t think you could have had 3 full traitlines back then. Because your statement covers 2-3 different builds at a time.

Our current system has the possibility of much more than our former options, shall I add that you don’t need marksmanship for doing the same damage as pre-update.

We also lost the 10% damage from Hunter’s tactics, the extra power from strength of spirit and we lost some ferocity so our crits are also hitting for 5ish% less. With the loss of Eagle Eye that starts to add up. And I know this affects all classes but fire/air took a damage nerf as well. But like I said, we can make up the damage with our new traits so it’s not a straight nerf but I wouldn’t exactly call it a buff. It just makes the class a little more interesting.

As far as condi removal goes, there were plenty of people that specced into SotF and EB when running condi builds. Healing spring also worked reliably and EB didn’t insta kill pets thanks to burn stacks.

I haven’t preordered so I didn’t get a chance to play reaper but from what I have seen reapers are pretty lack luster. The ones I went up against in PvP and WvW I completely manhandled, and from what I’ve read about their performance in PvE they are doing even less damage because their attacks are so slow.

I don’t think anet is really trying to improve on a classes weaknesses, I think they are coming up with a name that sounds like it thematically fits with the class and adding things that look cool whether they are useful or not.

Justine.6351:

Power builds and ranger builds in general did get buffs as well including more condi cleanse despite people apparently thinking rangers don’t have enough condi removal options.

I disagree. What we got were more options. We lost straight up damage modifiers but we can now spec fully into BM and use things like quickdraw and remorseless to make up the damage. We lost condi removal but gained other new defensive options.

Other than the trap, HS, and spirit changes (and all the bugs) the ranger is definitely better and more interesting to play but these are the types of changes we needed to be on par with the other classes before they got buffed.

McWolfy.5924:

In wvw rangers nearly went extinct because of reason.

I think all the rangers that were around pre rapid fire buff are still here, the ones that bandwaggoned on to ranger have now moved on to mesmer since it is so brain dead easy a chimp could play it.

Added this to the ranger bugs thread in the bugs forum.