Guild Wars 2

ZeftheWicked.3076:

Being stuck in emerald for a week now and barely improving as solo quequer stinks. But ok i’m not the biggest pvp kitten around.

But what really gets on my nerves is this pipe or w/e you call it system. I lose a game 491-500 being best in my team i’m still punished. Fine. I lose another game i get one. Yes i know there are certain rules that…On second thought. NO. I don’t know.

Because you don’t care to let me know. I’m sicking tired of this “mystery meat” matchmaking when i have 0 idea how the system ranks my team and opponnets team what are the potential gains and losses to be had.

I long for a simple, clear system that clearly defines where i stand in the foodchain and if the one i face is above or below me before we start our game.

I feel like the mystery contributes to the excitement. Leads me to try my best every game. If you play enough you’ll know who the good ones around your level are anyway since you will keep meeting them.

Never seen you guys around. Is this guild based in NA?

Edit: JQ, must be. But still, never seen you guys around.

It varies from person to person, but generally yes. I have had a friend gain a pip while I lost a pip once while queueing together.

Lol i believe i was in this game. Luckily, we won.

According to the official league intro webpage, as shown here, https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/introducing-pvp-leagues/

It says anyone who reaches legendary division will receive a title. Nothing mentioned about prestige.

What constitutes to getting the achievement? Is it bugged?

I’ve learnt to ignore all diamond skin nerf advocates simple for the fact that they aren’t very good at this game. Anyone who has played to higher tiers will see that the trait is actually fine. Or I would even go as far as to say we need a buff, but that’s debatable.

It is the exact opposite lol. There are hardly any burst builds around because you cannot burst someone down in this tanky meta.

That gold though.

Went against the full Apex Prime premade as a duo q, got 490 points, still lost a pip? Really anet? Wow.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

ReaperJr.5967:

Dont you like how all diamond skin qq-ers are all condi reapers? It’s funny and obviously a l2p issue. At higher tiers, once my diamond skin is broken, I find myself overloaded with condis more often than not. It’s all about the timing.

Necros in general have a vastly harder time dealing with Diamond Skin than other professions, since they rely on conditions to fight (yes, even the power builds) rather than boons or active defenses. Also, while their direct damage can hit some massive hits, the actual DPS is rather low, giving eles plenty of ability to re-establish DS. Boon corruption doesn’t even strip boons when DS is working, apparently, which I feel is a bug. The conditions shouldn’t apply, but the boons should still disappear.

The other reason why you only are really seeing Necro players complaining is because right now, the only other profession that even uses a condi build in PvP is Revenant, and it’s no secret that they are ridiculously strong against almost everything. It’s not that DS doesn’t completely shut down almost all condition builds, it’s that only two professions are currently even using condition builds to even notice it, and one of those is also packing a Power weapon (Revenants always do, since Mace is their only condition weapon) with high Power stats. Necro/Reaper can’t really get away with using Viper amulet due to the mentioned lack of active defenses.

Eh, you have counters? Deal with it. This game isn’t balanced around 1v1. Viper revenants are extremely strong atm, I would even call them OP. They shouldn’t be a benchmark for what your class should be like.

Dont you like how all diamond skin qq-ers are all condi reapers? It’s funny and obviously a l2p issue. At higher tiers, once my diamond skin is broken, I find myself overloaded with condis more often than not. It’s all about the timing.

Schurge.5194:

If you are better then me don’t patronize me by telling me I put up a good fight…

Lol…

This is called having no sportsmanship. On the other hand, I myself am quite flattered when the opponents say I put up a good game.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

hmm how is viper rev hard to kill ?
sorry i’m not sure how viper rev works. T_T

Viper revs usually run mallyx/glint or mallyx/shiro. With glint they have high resistance uptime and infused light upon being focused. With shiro, they have high mobility which they can use to disengage easily. Either way, with revenant passive procs and defensive skills from s/sh and staff, he is extremely hard to kill if played well.

In general, in order of being easiest to kill to the most difficult.

Warrior
Thief (unless this thief is good)
Reaper
Dragonhunter
Power herald
Druid
Scrapper
Tempest
Bunker chrono
Viper rev

This is my experience from amber to ruby. List may vary from match to match.

Hey, this is actually a good idea. Selling carry services or pvp training.

Phineas Poe.3018:

Nova Stiker.8396:

And to think, a majority of the problems could have been solved before Leagues started.

How? By resetting everyone’s MMR?

We’d still have the same situation we have right now. Pro League teams would still be farming ruby and diamond solo-queue players. This is just something that won’t be resolved until more people progress up the ranks.

MMR reset followed by calibration would have worked.

Velimere.7685:

Jourdelune.7456:

Funny… some condi warrior berzerker with CC can kill most meta build.

They simply need to comp with builds that are not meta (because high level players find it easier to abuse REV OPness).

A burn and CC comps with 2 berzerker can progress on the league with breeze… people don’t expect 10k burns a tick. All conditions AOE cleanses bunker are dead (except some tempest that don’t play standard with Soldier runes).

No.

I think we can all gather that OP is relatively new to pvp.

SlimChance.6593:

My first solo’q match last night was up against 2 bunker Tempest, 2 DH and a bunker Eng/Scrapper.

The Tempest’s split between thier home and mid and the DH’s would just go back n’forth between thier home and mid. If we tried for far, the Tempest could easily last long enough for the DH’s come in for support. We simply could not out damage them fast enough.

Meanwhile, the Eng/Scrapper just would run to our home and run around in circles. It would take 2-3 of us to do any measurable damage. If his health got below 50%, he’d just run back to mid and get support from the Tempest/DH there. I play a lock down Mez and he was totally immune to stuns, cripples, dazes.. nothing I threw at him stuck.

Worse part of it was that it cost me 3 pips. Spent the rest of the night, getting those 3 pips back.

People are screaming about ChronoBunker’s, when Tempest and Scrappers are far worse.

Sorry to burst your bubble but that comp gets smashed in higher tiers/mmr. When you start to stop complaining about DH, you’ll see what I mean. All the above mentioned specs are a much lesser evil as compared to chronobunkers.

Jourdelune.7456:

The idea of Divisions is to let players play into the same division.

It’s not perfect now.

But please accept that if you play 80 hours a week, that you will be alone for approximatively 3 weeks before having someone to play with.

I did unranked matches yesterday to try some builds to counter condi rev. It was fun, relaxing… queue time fast. Yeah I played versus Chaith, but you know MMR give you decent matches even in unranked.

Since you are on top of the ranked queue, why doing more? Take your time bro, at Christmas you will be Legendary anyway… showing that you have more time for a game than for your life.

GGWP

Hardly. Ive played only approximately 200 matches, amounting to about 3000 minutes play time since league started? That’s about 50 hours over 11 days.

nacario.9417:

ZachAttack.3957:

Adding on to this, remember when to take a break. If you feel like you are on tilt (IE on a losing streak and not feeling very happy/amused/good), you should stop. Take shower, eat, read a book for a while, even play a different game. Don’t try and push “just one more win” in a bad mindset- you’re going to end up worse off than you were before.

Except us with busy lives u want to maximize the potential of time that you have, some cant or dont have the energy to take a break and come back, some dont like doing other stuff, just want to play. Often the game is the break from something, but then the game and system is broken. Sounds more like one needs to find a more permanent solution.

Taking a short break and doing something else (like watching an episode of your favourite tv series) and coming back to win is better than tilting and losing 5 games in a row. My personal habit is to stop after 2 consecutive losses. Hasnt failed me so far.

I think this is a matter of picking the wrong role and possibly your mmr being inflated pre-leagues.

Imo, the best type of class to solo q with in this meta is a bunker/support type. I wont go into reasons why.

Also, with 60% winrate pre-leagues, if you were really capable of it, you would have maintained it. I had a 61% winrate pre-leagues, and when leagues started I had about 64%. I solo queued mostly to ruby and my winrate is currently at 60.8%. Not to boast or anything but just giving an example. Your winrate will always converge at your skill level eventually, given enough time.

And here’s why. Atm there’s a shortage of players in diamond, q times can go over an hour. As a result, to progress to legendary, people are forced to q with ambers to lower the mmr/div and get faster queues. Pugs being farmed by this dont like it either. So it’s a lose lose situation.

This can be easily fixed by removing the diamond tier all together, that is after ruby -> legendary. That way, it is also possible to solo q, albeit being very difficult, to legendary. There will be no need to manipulate matches. Moreover, most players in this game are not able to hit ruby, not to mention diamond. Thats why i think its a good idea.

Ross Biddle.2367:

You got 10 points for a decap, vs that team yours was actually pretty OP.

They probably let them have it for contribution.

Didnt help that you got matched against the cheesiest and most brain dead comp in game.

I was thinking more along the lines of Force of Nature, The Leviathan, and The Cataclysmic for Emerald, Sapphire and Ruby respectively. Y’know, something ‘primordial’ and ‘legend’ based. Haha.

Ehhh, I don’t really have a good naming sense, but something in line with the title primordial legend?

As stated above, i think it’s a good idea. Solo q-ers who put in the effort to hit ruby shouldnt be denied a title befitting their hardwork.

trytonianYeti.4389:

ReaperJr.5967:

Chaith.8256:

While I appreciate the direct call out, could you stop linking your dead end, no-point topics to me, forever? Clearly it takes a mind like yours to see the irony you promised here.

Don’t worry about the haters man, we both know that if anet took balancing advice from you guys we wouldn’t have this kittenty meta today. Good luck on your practice.

LOL hate. One of the most overly and incorrectly used term of this generation.

If you’re not a diamond or legend or a member of these guilds on the roster, I cannot comprehend how you still manage to suck-up to them after being farmed over and over.

It’s called having a brain and being able to comprehend simple logic instead of formulating conspiracy theories to suit your needs. But hey, no worries, I understand, it’s not something you are ever capable of.

Not to be mean or anything but what’s your winrate and rank pre-leagues?

Chaith.8256:

While I appreciate the direct call out, could you stop linking your dead end, no-point topics to me, forever? Clearly it takes a mind like yours to see the irony you promised here.

Don’t worry about the haters man, we both know that if anet took balancing advice from you guys we wouldn’t have this kittenty meta today. Good luck on your practice.

Bump.

/15char

This is a troll thread.. right?

Nopeee. Nope nope nope. Needless to say, it didn’t work out. I couldn’t even actively contribute to team fights. The only time where I could even remotely shine was to either

1. Bait my opponents into chasing me so my bunker can cap and we can hold the cap
2. Lightning flash a fire burst on a low target and proceed to safestomp with mistform
3. Try to go for backcaps with my mobility
4. Hold one of their supports on a contested point since he would be better in a team fight than i would be so it’s a good trade for me

Otherwise, the amount of cc and condi (especially chill) would rekt me. I felt like a thief instead of an ele.

To get straight to the point, I’m debunking claims that d/d ele still works in this meta. The power creep is so insane even a top build in the previous meta couldn’t compete.

So who won? Also, nice rank

Celestial amulet was never the issue. It’s how all the elite specs were given so many active and passive defense procs, it’s basically just mindless button smashing.

I would like to have the old meta back where mechanical skills actually meant a thing.

PowerBottom.5796:

looool, top stats means nothing…. You then just had ppl running around for decaps and weird stuff like that. Just a horrible Idea man. :P

You can easily be the sole reason why your team won and played extremely well and have the worst score and no top-stats.

Especially if you play a bunker..

Leagues would be fine after introducing mmr reset, calibration, duration increase and/or pip requirement decrease.

I usually play gw2 on wifi. It isnt an issue normally.. that is till today. When i use the skype app on my phone while connected to wifi, gw2 will disconnect completely. I even tried switching my phone to the 5ghz band and my laptop to the 2.4ghz band but it didnt work.

Afaik all other programs that require the internet to function (e.g. google chrome) remains fine, so only gw2 is affected. Anyone knows why? Please help. Thank you.

Kycoo Grim.9463:

butch.8136:

Band-aid fix until balance patch: no class stacking.

I would love to see this as a permanent thing in Ranked ques. I realize that this would SEVERELY limit the que, since it would be taking 1 of the 9 classes out of the options, but it would solve the problem of multiple classes that can be very strong.

They would have to lock class swapping and activate profession mmr. In other words, highly unlikely.

Actually it is true, worse players with low mmr to start with climb divisions faster than better players with high mmr. Divisions then account for 50% of matchmaking.

Just today i got matched with a ruby and 2 sapphires and all 3 of them had no basic idea of rotations, are inept mechanically, wolf rank and in a party. Needless to say, they told me to l2p once i tried to tell them how to rotate and who to focus. -shrugs-

You know there’s an issue when multiple pro players speak out against the system. Anet, i implore you, hotfix the system before the next season.

See, how the system is flawed is that it doesn’t place you in matches with 50/50 odds all the time, as it should. Instead, let’s say you win 3 games in a row, the system will then match you against opponents way above your team to tilt you to a loss. That isn’t how a 50/50 system should be. This prevents progression and is inherently flawed.

Just another lazy day at work to market the modrem dragon finisher.

All is well – anet

Yo we need minstrel back man we cant bunk hard enough atm kappa

Can we please have mmr reset and then calibration? We could have like 10 or 20 calibration matches and depending on how you do you get place in the appropriate tier. That would solve all your problems, anet.

StickerHappy.8052:

This is the thing I was wondering, how do people reach a hi MMR if they are total * when it comes to pvp?

what is MMR?

This kind of stuff is what is costing me games.

What boggles me further is how do these people reach sapphire if they were so bad?

easy matchups maybe?

Because they started off with low mmr, they get matched with easier opponents. They then win more games and climb divisions faster. The way leagues work is that if you start off with high mmr you’re basically kittened since there’s no mmr reset or calibration.

nearlight.3064:

ReaperJr.5967:

Dirame.8521:

Soryuju.8164:

If you’re not willing to show proof for the “sheep” that you’re looking down on.

Go watch my videos then or watch me when I stream. And I hate to look down on people, which is why I said we rather than you because I know that I am also forced to play the Meta specs because no one wants to believe in trying to counter.

You do realise you are not making sense right?

-> makes claim that non-elite specs can counter meta
-> doesnt prove it
-> says he can’t prove it because he’s ‘forced’ to play meta specs because no one wants to believe
-> logic???

For one, d/d ele gets destroyed in this meta. So does classic bunker guard. period

Actually he’s specifically mentioning spite/curses (and probably soul reaping) necromancer with most likely wanderer’s amulet.

The problem with reaper is that reaper itself does not give any boon removal/corruption in of itself like traits from curses and spite do. However as a necroamancer in pvp, pretty much all non-minion builds are forced into soul reaping for soul marks and vital persistence to have enough sustain and life force to make it work, which means you have to give up a huge source of pressure or reaper.

If you give up reaper you can be trained down quite easily due to no stability but your burst pressure vs. revs/mesmer/tempestsafterDS/druids is much higher. You’d also lose sustained damage pressure from deathly chill, but running spite/curses reaper is simply a waste because condi reaper without soulreaping for VP/SM will be completely unable to manage life force which means less mightstacks from shroud and less corruption bursting people with path of corruption.

I hope this clarified the confusion but I think its worth looking into, since reaper feels like its missing something when boon removal is the biggest solution to taking down the bunker mes/condi rev meta.

If you look at his previous posts in this thread, you’ll see what I mean.