Guild Wars 2

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Glyph_of_Elementals

Fire Elemental: Deals damage.
Ice Elemental: Deals damage and heals.
Air Elemental: Deals damage and stuns.
Earth Elemental: Deals damage and is hard to kill.

So all the different types of elementals have, special abilities such as healing, stuns and is pretty hard to kill, they were not kidding about earth elemental’s durability, that thing took on 3 silver elite mobs while I was rezzing myself.

Fire elemental doesnt do anything… other than evade and even so its evades are useless as it dies so fast.

Id rather have a fire elemental that has a little more hp, no evasion and sets things on fire.

And for people who who use “Conjure Fiery Greatsword” or “Tornado” and have never used the Glyph of Elementals, if you think you’re so smart coming in here, saying…

“Fire Elemental does the most damage out of all the other elementals”

Let me give you a reality check on this.

The average survival time of a fire elemental vs a boss is roughly 10 seconds, thats when it gets hit by just AOEs, not direct damage, if it were direct damage it be less than that.

The fire elemental hits targets at Melee Range is highly susceptible to being killed without dealing any substantial damage, An Earth Elemental while deals less damage per hit compared to a fire elemental is more capable of surviving the full duration and thus doing more damage than a fire elemental.

nope, not much changed just a drop in DPS for a DPS class that is out DPSed by other classes.

shadow refuge, for when things go bad
scorpion wire for pulls
last skill is your own choice.

thieves role in pve groups is simple, do as much damage as you can, be it from pistols, bows or daggers.

when things go bad people start dying, drop shadow refuge and rez them.

thats why I rerolled to Anet’s Beloved classes.
Theres just no love to the thief.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Rizzy.8293:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

You can move/run away while in Moa Form while BV locks you for the duration.

You cant jump in moa morph and have no utility skills and it lasts an entire 10 seconds.
You cant even click mist form to get get out of it because of no utility skills.

Honestly, you’re gonna tell me that 1.5 secs of being rooted to some place is far worse than being turned into a useless bird for 10 seconds.?

I would have to say yes.

1.5s is long enough to get flatten because you are not just receiving active damage, but also DOTs from AoE, well, marks, etc.

Penguin.5197:

I remember seeing a mes/ranger duo in pug, who did moa morph+ that 20 second root duration. There was no escape.

/just sharing

Sir Vincent III.1286:

You can move/run away while in Moa Form while BV locks you for the duration.

You cant jump in moa morph and have no utility skills and it lasts an entire 10 seconds.
You cant even click mist form to get get out of it because of no utility skills.

Honestly, you’re gonna tell me that 1.5 secs of being rooted to some place is far worse than being turned into a useless bird for 10 seconds.?

go infusion, survivablity trumps damage

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Basilisk_Venom

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Moa_Morph

Why is BV considered such a deadly skill that it became a stun so stunbreakers were viable when Moa Morph leaves you virtually open to death for ten seconds from any enemy that sees you?

I refer to you to the video game “Thief” a stealth based game featuring a… thief.

StugLyfe.2134:

All you stealth abusers brought this on yourselves. What the 1,000 topics on this problem were all just community QQ in your minds lol ….. funny stuff here today.

ANET DEVS this was a long long time coming thank you very much!

For every bad thief that leaves today 10 players will return for this patch.

What are you even talking about, how is a 3 second revealed debuff = stealth abuse.

I’m assuming you know what you’re talking about are under the impression that revealed applied from coming out of stealth VIA an attack has been increased to a 4 second duration.

In which case is redundant and just nerfs the damage of thieves.

And to come in here insinuating thieves who chain cloak and dagger to move in a mob undetected as “stealth abusers” you gotta be kitten me right?

If you die because a thief kept using CnD on you, no offense you’re a noob.
Chaining CnD to move in a mob undetected to get to your primary target is what CnD chaining is.

If you want to call that abuse, lets increase the recharge time on ALL mesmer’s clone skills.

Honestly that kitten is more annoying than stealth -.-

Wing.5819:

The change does reduce backstab dps. But ONLY backstab dps; you’re total dps does not take a 1/4 hit.

The whole point of D/D was to use Backstab, no one uses Leaping Death Blossom unless its a mob, so what they gonna do now? Spam heartseeker, we all know what happened the last time they did that.

avilo.1942:

Rizzy.8293:

A perma stealth thief wont be able to kill you, get over it your prey ran away.
Stealth is a survival mechanism, if you lack the aoe skills to flush it out, then its your own fault.

This. If you’re seriously standing still for like 40 seconds being cloak and daggered to death…that’s not a class/balance problem, that’s a skill+learn to play issue…

Just dodge around/use AOE…remember thieves can be hurt while in stealth, which a lot of people seem to forget. They aren’t invincible in stealth regardless of what the QQers here would have you believe!

Maybe because inVISIble and inVINCIble sound alike.

loneknight.8425:

Hmmm, I spend most time blinding & shadowstepping, while farming badges with SB clusterbombing. Am I playing my Thief wrong?

you’re playing thief the ONLY way that is viable right now.
Until that gets taken away because no one should be able to shadow step that much

Auesis.7301:

Kage.2389:

I still do a lot more damage than most other classes – even berserker warriors.

No. No, you do not.

You have a mighty good bullkitten detector.

A perma stealth thief wont be able to kill you, get over it your prey ran away.
Stealth is a survival mechanism, if you lack the aoe skills to flush it out, then its your own fault.

That’s why I rerolled into one of Anet’s more favourable classes.
I love this game, don’t get me wrong, its emphasis is more on skills and not gear grinding and level grinding only takes 5 – 7 days if you rush.

But to be constantly nerfed with each patch that rolls out on my thief…. no thank you.

thenivekproject.4139:

All this blabber about thieves being able to stealth and all. Players that don’t improve or simply can’t learn to predict how to play against a thieve conveniently blame it all on the stealth?

Anet is simply removing another build thieves use and that IMHO is lame. It’s like removing mesmer’s shatter build or a guardian’s zerker build. And you don’t hear thieves complaining about an ele’s mist form or a necro’s deathshroud. Should those be removed too cos its kinda imba considering DS gives you a second life and mist form you basically negate most dmg. We’re not even talking about a ranger’s pet cos its mainly a 2v1 if you look at it that way. Hell…we should just have 1 class so there’s nothing for you all to complain about.

qfe

Leather armour needs to stop being a trench coat or an asymmetrical couture piece.

Why would they make reveal be applied when stealth wears off :|

Is it possible to have an NPC that sells starter items?

When I started GW2 I was under the impression that my thief was going to be able to buy more hoods in world, little did I know leather helms were all masks some goggles and a hat, if I had known better I would have kept the hood like I did for the goggles of my engie.

reroll warrior lol

No seriously though, the closest thing you’d be to a Guildwars Assassin is a dagger dagger set up, you can use infiltrator’s signet to shadow step along with steal.

And yes offhand dagger has a stealth skill, for 3 seconds, cloak and dagger.
Offhand pistol black powder shot + mainhand dagger heart seeker combo also stealth you

critickitten.1498:

Gluttony.2017:

I mean, they dont have eyes, and blind doesnt work against them either…. so why does going invisible work against themi if they cant see you anyway oO? Fix this bug, buff dredge!

….ya know, that’s actually a really good point.

Dredge supposedly sense you via hearing and other methods….unless stealth somehow conceals the noise you make too (through the power of fairy magic), dredge shouldn’t be affected by stealth.

That’s exactly what stealth does, it conceals any form cues that give away your location, Dredge are very aural beings, stealth lowers the thieve’s heart rate, calms his breathing and lightens his foot steps to the point you can’t even hear his heart beating, his breathing or footwork.

After they nerfed the only good DPS skill which keeps rangers on par with everyone else ( since all the other short bow skills are situationaly) I rerolled, or rather revisited my thief, got him to a nice level of damage not even running cookie cutter, then Anet decided to nerf thief…

Id roll a warrior.

Who come here to complain about the thieves damage.

I do dungeons quite a lot and some wvwvw. I noticed one thing, the AI in these dungeons when I start attacking, face me and sometimes run to a wall and back themselves into a corner denying me access to their behinds rendering me almost useless with daggers

One of the things I noticed in people who cry about our damage in wvwvw and try to back it up with videos, I notice one thing, the thieves in these video are often knifing away at them from behind as they try to run away.

I mean really?
Do thieves as a profession really instill that much fear?
I have a harder time getting behind an AI mob than I do with players.

YES! lets get rid entirely of the single target damage and give us AMAZING AOE Damage with daggers give the daggers 900yards range.

I hope you do understand that just because a player plays better than you utilizing all of this professions abilities does not make the profession over powered right?

You should have seen one of the devs post about a player mentioning how certain weapon skills in their guardian greatsword have moved.

“You’ll get used to it in time”

And yes this inability to reassign skills in their slots is perplexing to me.

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Rizzy.8293:

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Rizzy.8293:

Kindly stop trying to impose your playstyle and or unfounded opinions on other players.

Lest you want to be treated the same way you treat other people.

Wow, umm… hypocrite much? That is exactly what you have been doing. Take your own advice friend.

And the reason I am against a LFD tool, is because the game is already becoming easier and easier with all the changes they keep making. If they add a LFD tool, it just adds to that. I’m sorry, but I’m tired of everything being handed out to players cause they complain enough on the forums cause they refuse to do any work to get things done, so Anet changes stuff to make it easier for them.

Im imposing my opinion by which you mean explaining to you on why giving players a choice is a good thing?

I can deal with that, at least I’m not imposing an ultimatum on other players based o how much I like the game the way it is and because I’ve had to work at it and I don’t want other players to make me feel like my EFFORT was squandered and become trivialized.

But yes, if that is your definition of hypocrite then sure.

“I’m sorry, but I’m tired of everything being handed out to players cause they complain enough on the forums cause they refuse to do any work to get things done, so Anet changes stuff to make it easier for them”

Your reasons are for selfish reasons.
You want things to remain difficult because you can deny this but from the way you are presenting it you sound like you dont want your achievements on a game to become trivial, to that I say, REALLY? It’s just a game.

And to recap, you already admitted to not knowing what it’s like to LFG for a long period without having any luck in forming a group. You really are in no position to impose an opinion on this matter. You’re welcome to have an opinion like everyone else but to impose them in an ultimatum because of how you feel the current Anet trend is going is the ultimate definition in selfishness.

Yet again, it seems I’m the selfish one cause I use the features that Anet has provide for me to find groups, and I suggested that others do the same. So instantly I’m at fault here cause I shouldn’t suggest other people to use the features already there, instead of telling them to go tell Anet to give them a LFD tool instead.

Is it so wrong for people to try out the other options provided to them before they ask for an easier way out? No, it’s not.

And who are you to tell me I can’t have an opinion? Did you pay more money than me to post here? Are you a shareholder or work for Anet? You have no right to tell me that I can’t express my concerns over this matter. I’m sorry but you are not a moderator so who do you think you are that you can dictate what exactly has meaning on this forum and what is allowed? That is just rude if I may say so. This is an open forum for all players to post our opinions and concerns on. Don’t try to dictate it like you own it.

What tools are you talking about.

You said you never had to LFG
The LFG tool is a joke its just an open invitation for anyone to invite you into a group for something with a clear objective like wvwvw or DE zerging.
Going LFG in local chat x amount of times get you suppressed
You want people to do the work you’ve done in looking for a guild because everyone has as much free time as you right?

All of your rebuttals are based on one side opinions you’ve formed because somehow you feel like you’re an elitist player doing all this work and putting so much effort into your game play and if anet ever does anything to ease the burden of other players trying to have fun, you’ll have an aneurysm about how they’re giving into those “whiny complainers” Hey reality check, this game isn’t about you.

Stop being selfish, stop trying to force your ultimatums on other players.
If you don’t like the feature don’t use it.
Its not going to hurt you.

ImmortalZodd.6871:

if you like 100% uptime on fury and swiftness, roll a warrior with boon duration traits.

there are builds that work in pvp, but unlike other classes we are not a dominate class in sPVP or tPVP, but in WvW we have the distinct advantage of having great boon duration and utility skills to keep our boon’s up.

i have a ranger lvl 80 my first main, got depressed at the situation they are in (they are aparently getting redone a little next major patch), rolled a warrior and have been having a great time getting around pve to lvl after lvl30 when you get elite’s, and in WvW i have no problems going 1v1 with other lvl 80 classes or 1v2 for the under lvl70 if they are not too skilled. thiefs can get me off guard and have just as much chaseing gap closers.

wouldn’t play sPVP with the class but for PvE and WvW its a very fun class and the rifle skill set is one of the best ranged skill sets in the game also with some amazing trait’s for bleeds that no other class can match which grants great damage to rifle auto and sword auto imo.

i don’t know if i can roll another class in WvW without 100% uptime on swiftness i have been spoiled with my warrior.

That sounds awesome, my other choice was a Guardian, I too was a ranger.
And yeah same boat, the nerfs man all coz of bots

I had a thief shelved but I unshelved him and hes pretty fun to play dagger dagger and frontlining.

I often face palm when I see warriors backlining beyond a mesmer with a rifle in PVE -.- Im like get over here and melee you wuss, you hit mokittengets and hit harder.

I mean if I can frontline on a thief with weak armour cant be that hard with higher armour and higher vitality right?

Yup I felt the same way, No real problem if you’re a charr or an asura coz you know shudder but if you’re a norn or a human, the before and after are starkly different.

what was the name you wanted?

I would have gladly helped you

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Rizzy.8293:

THANK YOU, thank you for admitting you don’t know what these people are going through.

I never once ever said I did. So there was nothing to admit to. I simply gave alternative solutions, thus bringing up finding a guild.

Rizzy.8293:

A Dungeon finder system isn’t going to ruin your gaming experience since as you said, you don’t LFG anymore you do it with your guild. You wont even have to touch it and youve still not answered the question.

“Why is giving players a Dungeon Finder/LFD system a bad thing?”

I cut off the rest cause you and I really don’t want to go in circles saying the same things over and over again. lol

But as for the last part, I never said it was a bad thing. I said it was pointless. I have answered the question many times, you just refuse to see it.

So I’m just going to stop repeating myself over and over and just summarize this up.

The only reason people want a LFD tool is for “ease of access”. There is several options already available to people to find groups for dungeons, just they don’t want to use them or put in any effort to deal with them. They want an insta-click button to form groups for them so they don’t have to. It seems other games have spoiled players to the point that if they don’t have a LFD tool, they don’t know what to do. So they come to forums to tell Anet to implement one instead of using the features already provided for them.

So again, LFD tool is pointless. I didn’t say bad, I said pointless. You already have the features available to you to get groups, you just refuse to use them. So you want Anet to give you an easy way out so you don’t have to bother with it.

Right so if its pointless in your view why are you here trying to make a point of it?

And the reason why this conversation is going around in circles is because you’re going around in circles, I kept trying to explain to you why your suggestions are ridiculous and might not work for everyone and not everyone is you and different people are different and yet you go again saying the same thing,

“There is several options already available "

You could have easily suggested players to try and find a guild with similar goals as a player for the time being, to which I’ve also explained might take time that some players dont have and have no opinion on the LFD system but instead you went so far as to belittle people by calling them and I quote “lazy” for expecting such a system.

You say and I quote “treat people the way I want them to treat me” yet you make assumptions about people and call them lazy without factoring in the reasons on why they might want such a system implemented.

And really if this is the best point you’ve got against an LFD system.

“The only reason people want a LFD tool is for “ease of access”. There is several options already available to people to find groups for dungeons, just they don’t want to use them or put in any effort to deal with them. They want an insta-click button to form groups for them so they don’t have to. It seems other games have spoiled players to the point that if they don’t have a LFD tool, they don’t know what to do. So they come to forums to tell Anet to implement one instead of using the features already provided for them."

And of course this opinion is formed on the fact that you’ve never had to LFG in your entire guildwars2 experience, which of course holds a lot of validity <—- see this is how sarcasm works.

Because it makes things easier for people to find groups and do things together, in otherwords form a small social network, something good for guildwars2, and because “other games have it” like having things from other games is such a bad thing, hey guess what lots of other games have profession systems and crafting systems too, woe, then you really have no valid points at all against implementing an LFD system.

Kindly stop trying to impose your playstyle and or unfounded opinions on other players.

Lest you want to be treated the same way you treat other people.

So why shouldn’t I roll a warrior?

SpyderArachnid.5619:

So when was helping others so others would help you such a bad thing? Sorry maybe my manners and respect are too old for this generation, but when I want help, I help others in return. I believe in treat others as you want to be treated. I didn’t realize that was such a bad thing these days.

Thats what happens when you PUG, its not pure altruistic helping but its part of the theme of cooperation, everyone helps each other to reach a common shared goal.

And if a system allows for people to do this faster, I say bring it on.

And I never had to use the LFG system here. Because as I said, I found a guild to do all that stuff with. Why rely on just the LFG system to find a group when there is other options available? Just cause you don’t like one feature, doesn’t mean that is the only choice and you can’t search out other options.

THANK YOU, thank you for admitting you don’t know what these people are going through.

So you need a LFD tool to find other players to do dungeons with and find a guild, instead of doing that ahead of time? Why does a LFD feature need to do that for you when you can yourself make friends and find a guild? Not a really a good point there when you can already do this normally without a LFD feature.

Oh you mean join those people who spam GUILD LOOKING FOR MORE MEMBERS with their outrageous claims about why you should join their guild?

Yeah sorry no thanks, I dont have the time to go through a hundred of those guilds to find out that people there dont do dungeons or anything together.

Call me an old fashioned player, but when I dungeon with people Id like to know they know how to play their class and dungeoneering in a pug is a good way to see what a player brings to the table before deciding on letting them join the guild.

Im sure there are people who feel this way too, from PVP guilds who want to see how well you handle yourself in WvWvW by grouping up with you and seeing your fighting prowess first hand, to Dungeon guilds who test you out before they invite you and this selection isn’t just one direction, this is also where you see what the people from said guild is like before you join them. This is also research.

And what works for you does not work for another player.
Stop using yourself as a measure of another player.

Some players just don’t have the time to do the research that you and I do or are stuck in low population servers or in servers that hardly dungeons and have a reason to not switch servers.

A Dungeon finder system isn’t going to ruin your gaming experience since as you said, you don’t LFG anymore you do it with your guild. You wont even have to touch it and youve still not answered the question.

“Why is giving players a Dungeon Finder/LFD system a bad thing?”

SpyderArachnid.5619:

If you play on Tarnished Coast and are looking for a dungeon farming guild, by all means go ahead and join. Toss me a whisper in game and we’ll help you out as long as you are willing to do the same in return. It’s not a charity guild. You have to be willing to help others if you expect help in return.

I have and I left because of this exact reason, my way or the highway.
You are arguing for an ultimatum.
I’m bringing up a choice.

I left TC for Jade Quarry, a well balanced, PVP PVE Dugeon server where I have no real difficulty pugging unless its off american peak hours.

This is something I care about for my fellow players who want to do dungeons but have a hard time finding a group because they don’t have the time to do what you do, find spend time to find a guild that does dungeons or have 4 other players on a whim ready to do the dungeon you want to do.

And when they implement LFD system, if anything its only going to benefit me during off american peak hours. Whats the harm?

Why do you come here complaining about how people are being lazy when this is a genuine issue on certain servers, telling them they should come to my server? guess what my server is full.

Back when server transfer didnt have a cooldown sure maybe but then again why would they HAVE to switch servers just to find people to dungeon with?

Maybe they have real life friends who are on that server and like its low population but dont play as much as that one person.

Why would giving players the Dungeon Finder system so bad, all I’ve heard you say is, people need to put in the effort as if its their fault for not trying hard enough.

First off, don’t assume you know me. I didn’t spend hours roleplaying to find a guild. That doesn’t even make sense. Again, it’s not hard nor time consuming to find a decent guild. You just have to put in a little effort and find one. No one says it will take hours upon hours to find a guild. If you’re smart and intelligent (which I’m going to assume you are), it should only take you a few minutes to find a proper guild that will do things that you want to do. And if you have friends, that’ll make the search much more easier.

And this has nothing to do with ruining my own personal effort. It’s called why implement a feature when there is already features in the game that you can access to do the same thing? All LFD does is make it easier without any effort on your part. Have people really become that spoiled off LFD in other games that when a game doesn’t have that feature, they can’t handle putting in a little effort of their own to find a group? So instead, they come complain on the forums.

Edit: And NOW the quote option and page starts working again. Figures. lol

Your server does not mirror every other server, you do understand this right?

And as far as your “effort” argument goes read above paragraph.

And really have you tried the LFG system they have right, really tried it.
The one that puts a blue person next to your name with a magnifying glass without letting people know what it is you’re specifically LFGing for?

Thats the Pinnacle of the LFG system we have and this is how you want it to remain?

Im sorry but thats a JOKE system.
Only thing its great for is zerging DEs and WVWVW where theres one clear objective, thats what the current LFG tool is for.

Complain, really?
So now you’re the webmaster and you decide which is feedback and which is complain?

Now why are you against a feature that would make it easier for people to PUG and find other people they will party with in the future for more dungeon runs and hell maybe even get together and form a dungeon guild.

Its how I met my guild, through a pug.

again, Im glad you can admit your flaws.
Like I said in the post you’re hesitant to reply to in which I explained to you paragraph by paragraph, sarcasm only works against ludicrous statements.

@reddeath, You kidding me you got so many closing skills.

Hammer wars even can go toe to toe with pve dungeon bosses looking at them dead in the eye and rupt them just before they do a powerful attack.

LameFox.6349:

^I don’t think said person would be missing much then.

they can play badly on another pug for all i care, aint missing much here.

Dungeon Finder system would get rid of this issue.

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Sirevanac.3178:

And you expect that the whole community moves like that? I have to help others in order to get what i want? Why should I? That’s not how i want to spend my short time in the game i can play a day. I want sometimes to run dungeons, and in other moments i get bored of them and maybe dont go to one in 2 weeks, then i farm more pieces of my cosmetic armor. And that IS totally fine, because that’s how i want to play. I dont have to be by anyways attached to other people needs.

And this is not a selfish this statement. I paid for a game, and i want to play it when and how i want it. And if i want to run all my armor in 3 days and not enter a dungeon for two months, I should be able to do it with no problems at all.

So let me get this straight. You want to play an MMO, without having to deal with other players. You only want what you want, and could care less about anyone else. You want people to do things for you, without you doing anything for them. Yeah, that’s purely selfish.

Sure you paid for this game and want to play it how and when you want. But you paid for an MMO, not a single player game. You kind of have to work with other players to get what you want. And that means helping them out as well in order for them to help you out. I’m sorry but people are not at your beckon call. You have to actually do things for others to get them to do stuff for you. The world doesn’t revolve around you.

And having an LFD system, a system which makes players group together faster, somehow hinders player cooperation.
Logic?

If anything you’re the selfish one, because you sound like you want everyone to go through the work you’ve done to enjoy the game the way YOU enjoy it.

SpyderArachnid.5619:

I’m on Tarnished Coast and have a guild that actually runs dungeons all the time. Literally farms them. Because I did research and found a guild to do just that when I need to do it. If I’m not representing them, they will toss me a whisper and ask if I can help with some dungeon runs. I gladly switch to represent and start doing dungeon runs. And whenever I want to do some dungeons, they are willing to help me out as well cause I help them out. I put in the effort to find my own means of getting dungeons, why can’t you? Why do you need a system to do it for you instead?

So everyone should join this guild then since they’re sooo helpful?

SpyderArachnid.5619:

But let’s go with your logic. Cause it seems perfectly okay. So Anet should implement a LFD feature so those who don’t want to do any effort can find groups easily right? It doesn’t affect anyone and it’s perfectly fine cause anyone can find people to do dungeons, they just have to put in a little effort. And if anyone doesn’t like it, they shouldn’t use it right? Okay.

Did guildwars2 not market itself as a casual friendly game.
You do understand that not everyone is like you able to spend hours on end roleplaying on a video game and want to get things done quick and fast right?
Another alien concept?
And you’re finally getting the idea behind “Dont like it, dont use it”.
So what’s the harm in adding an LFD?
Because you like seeing your work not get trivialized because you did all that “research” into finding an awesome carebear guild that roleplays and does dungeons and that LFD will just ruin and marginalize the effort you put into this game, This is a game, if you hold achievements on it that dearly then… really? Im lost for words.

SpyderArachnid.5619:

So I should complain to Anet to add free level 80’s to the gem store. It doesn’t affect anyone else right if I get a instant level 80 because anyone can get one too, they just have to put in the effort. And if anyone doesn’t like it, they shouldn’t use it right? Okay sounds fair.

If you feel that strongly about getting to level 80 via cash system go ahead. No ones stopping you.
No ones stopping players from buying gems, converting them into gold either to buy weapons without having to spend hours farming for gold and getting said weapons or gear.

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Perfectly fine logic there. If you don’t like it, don’t use it. Let’s see what else we can add to the game with that logic.

Im glad your agree, and sarcasm only works against ludicrous statements.

Sirevanac.3178:

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Sirevanac.3178:

But, guess what, i already found a good guild: A guild with friends. I have to change it just to go dungeon? Is that really your argument? Or I have to convince my friends to move to another guild?

Sorry to tell you, but it’s totally flawed. If im a WvW player, i have to have a guild for WvW and switch to de PvE one to go PvE? And if i have also one for pvp i have to have a third guild for tPvP? Kind of impractical don’t you think? :/

If it really was a good guild with friends, then why are you complaining? If they were your friends, they would run dungeons with you when you need help. If they are blowing you off when you want to do dungeons, then they aren’t really your friends now are they? True friends would help you out as long as you are helping them.

And what is wrong with having multiple guilds? The feature is in the game for a reason. It is designed so if you want that guild of nothing but friends, you can still join that PvP guild and that farming guild if you want as well. Then whenever you want to do other things, represent whichever guild it calls for. AND, if they are your friends, they will understand that you want to do other things, so you will be representing another guild for a bit to do those other things.

Otherwise, I think you should be questioning your friendship with these people more than anything else if they won’t help you with anything.

What the kitten? Man, if they are in WvW, they’ll stay in WvW. If they are having fun in PvP, i wont disturb them because i want to do other thing. That reasoning is really dumb man…

Anyway, i don’t really see the difference between being in a guild for 5-10-60 mins to spam “anybody want to do X?” instead of “lfg X” in LA. Different chat maybe? It improves my odds of getting the dungeon maybe, considering they wont kick me from it for just being a while representing and not helping really with the sense of that guild to PvE.

Some people don’t understand this.
Imagine this scenario, Im playing guildwars in the same room as my friends and they’re wanting to play Killing Floor, ask me if I want to play killing floor and I decline their invitation.

This concept is alien to some people who expect hive mentality with the guild do things as one ideology.

Noxu.7203:

How is it ridiculous to use the features provided to you? There is options, you just refuse to use them. Instead you want Anet to do all your work for you so you don’t have to do any. Nothing ridiculous about that, you just don’t want to do any effort, so you complain on the forums for a LFD system instead of doing things yourself. That, is what is ridiculous.

And like I already said above, finding a guild for dungeons is easy. You just have to do research and…. here it comes…. put in some EFFORT. If you’re finding that your guild doesn’t want to run dungeons or there isn’t enough people online to do them, then you didn’t research a good enough guild. Actually take the time to find the proper guild instead of taking the first one that says “we run dungeons with cookies!”. Called do a little research and make sure the guild you are joining actually does run dungeons and is willing to help you out just as much as you help them.

Like I said, the features are there already for you to use. You just want the easy way out instead of spending a little effort.

Wow It’s like talking to a brick wall.

Listen, I agree with your wholeheartly, when you dont want to use the LFD system.
I really do, sounds like Im not but hey You don’t want to use it, its YOUR choice.

Other people want to use it, its their choice.
This is a feature that many people have expected from any MMORPG, from WOW to SWTOR even Guildwars (no not guildwars2, guildwars)

The LFG tool they have is worthless, I would have had expected to be able to use that thing in a zone see how many people are LFGing for a specific dungeon and just join up in that group but no instead you have to LFM and when you LFM too much you get suppressed.

Now I don’t know what server you’re from or if you’ve done any Dungeons at all. (im going to guess no) but some people who are not as fortunate as you come from desolate servers where a majority of people don’t dungeon and have a hard time forming a group.

Why is it so difficult for you to allow those people to let Anet ease their burden by making it easier for them to find a group, does it effect you in anyway?

Do you enjoy seeing the same name spamming LFG for 30 minutes, is that why you’re against a Dungeon finder system? Because you enjoy sitting in LA or starter zones looking through all the LFGers?

And as I said before, If you don’t like to use this feature, DONT USE IT.
If it exists as a feature to help other people, LET THEM USE IT.

The problem is there is NO SUCH feature when there should already be one.

Just like Melee Assist, I personally hate it BUT I can turn it off so I dont have to use it.
When a dungeon finder system comes out and you still HATE IT beyond words, You dont HAVE to use it.

Noxu.7203:

@ Rizzy: You’re arguing for the sake of arguing now.

PUGs can be a lot of fun without the LFD. In WoW, and in GW2 even (yes, I know, I play the game), I’ve met quite a good lot of good people on my server that I’ve gotten along with, chatted with, and PvP’d with, after the dungeon.

So yes, it’s a magical wonderful thing. A lot of people are very happy with not having a LFG tool that spreads across the worlds. Maybe, instead of trying to throw this idea at everyone who doesn’t want it, you should try to come up with an idea where everyone can enjoy the same thing instead of telling them, “Don’t like it? Don’t use it.”

You’re arguing for the sake of argument, Im giving you points that are valid.

Your argument is pugs are wonderful things without LFD as though everyone who doesnt use the LFD system is somehow better than those that do.

My point is Pugs are Pugs regardless of what means you got them from.

Your arguement is you don’t want the community to be destroyed because of LFD

My point is, the community is not going to be destroyed because of LFD, if anything it will enhance the community as people who pug in good groups tend to add each other to their friendslist and team up for future dungeons, IF anything LFD promotes people to work together by helping them find good players in random encounters faster.

Your argument is illogical and non progressive.

And before you make a ridiculous claim such as “a lot of people are happy without an LFG tool” please show your sources.

Theres a lot of threads in the suggest forum regarding a LFG tool

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Rizzy.8293:

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Rizzy.8293:

Noxu.7203:

I don’t. Amazing how that works, huh?

I stopped using it because it was just a faceless grind with random people. What ArenaNet should do, is encourage better grouping through guilds to do dungeons. Better rewards, without having to rely on a random dungeon finder.

Again, if you don’t like it don’t use it.
Anet’s Gw2 Slogan: Play how you want to.

People want to get into groups fast and clear dungeons fast with minimal talking, their choice.

You want to play where everyone talks about their feelings, go ahead.

Ultimatums =/= Answer.

It’s called get a guild and don’t expect a feature to do all your work for you.

You want to get fast groups and clear dungeons with minimal talking? Get a guild that does speed clears. Simple as that.

There is no point to a LFD feature when you can easily take care of the problem yourself by finding a guild that does speed clears or runs dungeons all the time. It really isn’t that hard.

OOOH Right and then spam LFG in the guild chat yes?
And when that fails find a new guild?

Yeah Dungeon Finder > your ridiculous methods.

Nothing ridiculous about it. You just want the easy way out so you don’t have to do anything but sit in town and click a button to get a group.

And….. if you join a guild that runs dungeons, why would you need to spam guild chat? They obviously are up for running dungeons, so just asking once would easily get you a group. Simple logic friend, use it.

Sit in a town and push a button? Really.

Sorry but If I pushed a button to queue for a dungeon, last thing I would do is sit in a town, hell Id go to another zone, clear a few hearts, oh OH WAIT! QUEUE is up! Enter dungeon.

The first thing Id have to do in this current system is sit in a town and LFG.

Again your methods and suggestions are ridiculous as I said before to Nuxos if you don’t like the feature, don’t use it.

I don’t like the Melee Assist feature, I have it turned off, do you see me QQing at the forum about a feature I dont like which lets me have the option to not use it?

And to your rebuttal about guilds that run dungeon, really everything revolves around you doesnt it?

You do understand there are days where some people in a guild that dont feel like running the same dungeon you want to run, even so much so that some guilds have to PUG their last 1 – 2 members.

And during those days, Id like to be able to form a group fast without having to spend 10 or more minutes LFGing

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Sirevanac.3178:

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Rizzy.8293:

Noxu.7203:

I don’t. Amazing how that works, huh?

I stopped using it because it was just a faceless grind with random people. What ArenaNet should do, is encourage better grouping through guilds to do dungeons. Better rewards, without having to rely on a random dungeon finder.

Again, if you don’t like it don’t use it.
Anet’s Gw2 Slogan: Play how you want to.

People want to get into groups fast and clear dungeons fast with minimal talking, their choice.

You want to play where everyone talks about their feelings, go ahead.

Ultimatums =/= Answer.

It’s called get a guild and don’t expect a feature to do all your work for you.

You want to get fast groups and clear dungeons with minimal talking? Get a guild that does speed clears. Simple as that.

There is no point to a LFD feature when you can easily take care of the problem yourself by finding a guild that does speed clears or runs dungeons all the time. It really isn’t that hard.

Why do I have to take care of this matter myself? Why do i have to be on a guild that does a lot of pve to be able to do a dungeon? And what if they dont want to when im able to play? What do I do then?

Really? So because you’re lazy and don’t want to put any effort into finding a guild that runs dungeons, you expect Anet to implement a feature to do it all for you? Talk about entitlement. “Anet I don’t want to put in any effort to find a guild/group that does dungeons. Do it for me”……

Yeah talk about an entitlement when many major game names have this feature, gee I wonder what they did wrong there.

Many things, but a Dungeon Finder isn’t one of them.

Even Guildwars has one which made it hell of a lot easier to pug during Zaishen missions;

Noxu.7203:

I suppose I should’ve worded myself better.

A LFD tool wouldn’t be terrible. Like you suggest, choppah, if it’s only server-wide instead of game-wide.

Part of what drove me away from WoW was the fact that the only way to ever truly get a dungeon group was if you took the random dungeon finder or had a very large guild with people playing constantly.

What I think ArenaNet would like to do is keep some semblance of a community intact. Yes, all of you that want a game-wide LFD group will be disappointed, but in reality, it did destroy a lot of the community in WoW.

People were outright rude to one another because they didn’t care who those people were, they just wanted the quick run and if you weren’t “fast enough” or if you were “new” to the dungeon, then they’d kick you. That’s not an environment I’d imagine ArenaNet would want to put in this game, considering it’s more about bringing the community together, rather than against one another.

So, in short, I’ll say it again. I’d be fine with any improved way on the LFG tool (be it through a server-wide channel), or a finder that randomly puts you together, so long as it maintains true to ArenaNet’s vision of the community being strong, friendly, and helpful to one another.

You talk about it like PUGs are magical wonderful things when acquired without LFD.
Reality check please.

A PUG is a PUG no matter what means you acquire it from.

It may end up well it may end up badly.

If a pug ends up badly is there really any real investment to stay behind and dredge through the muck?

Again its up to the individual player to decide this for themselves, its a PUG.

gear progression is rated lowly not because of the gear treadmill its the lack of cosmetic gear there are in the game.

Medium armour especially.

Bellatrix.5402:

It doesn’t help that if someone does use the current in-game LFG… uh… “system” a lot of people automatically think they are a noob and discount them entirely. So yeah, no surprise there. Even modern hastily made 2D Dungeon & Fighter copycats in China have better LFG systems.

I have over 2500 badges from PUG runs for AC and the average wait time is about an hour which includes constantly “map chatting” in both LA and the dungeon’s map. Maybe it’s better on other servers.

Of course, psychology doesn’t help. I.E. when there is a group that only needs one person there is 30+ people spamming that group leader, but the lone wolf or groups with only 2 people they wait forever. Plus, people have a tendency to put their ignore lists even if you advert every 20 minutes or so – then when they need to run a dungeon the cycle repeats itself.

speaking of LFG system hell even guildwars had a better one, this one is just a joke.

Noxu.7203:

I don’t. Amazing how that works, huh?

I stopped using it because it was just a faceless grind with random people. What ArenaNet should do, is encourage better grouping through guilds to do dungeons. Better rewards, without having to rely on a random dungeon finder.

Again, if you don’t like it don’t use it.
Anet’s Gw2 Slogan: Play how you want to.

People want to get into groups fast and clear dungeons fast with minimal talking, their choice.

You want to play where everyone talks about their feelings, go ahead.

Ultimatums =/= Answer.