Guild Wars 2

Aitadis.8269:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Aitadis.8269:

Faced a Quad-DH team and my team got absolutely demoshed, mid ruby. This is ridiculous, and before you DH’s say 4v5 lol, it was basically a 3cap before our 5th DC’d. I was also forcing the enemy thief to rotate far and mid leaving my team to 3v2 at home and they couldn’t take it. 1 DH sat at far and another mid and thief rotated with me leaving 2 DH’s at home and the other 3 players on my team couldn’t 3v2 because DH OP. I had 1 death and rotated as good as anyone could, they won a 3v2 in mid at start as well because of the massive pressure and sustain they can do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhLGOUzR9ws

Why would you take a s3 meta condi chrono to a s4 DH meta fight?

Maybe attempt to counter their on point team prowess?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SzB0haYHlY

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAseWncfC1ohlpBmqBEgilZjycEWhPoMAutcr+WD2jF-TpBCQBOsMwAeAAV4IAAgTAAGOEA5b/BA

Wipe em, wipe em all.

lol after respawn i was winning the far fight twice but thief came to +1 and towards the end I probably woulda 2v1’d the thief and DH on point, so not really my fault. Mid fight everyone died before me and I got off 2 solo resses in that fight. So please don’t talk if you cant back it up, my playstyle was fine.

Clearly the mid fight needed support, but you let it wipe, then they dominated with complete control of the map.

The game extends beyond how well you think you can 1v1 XD. Play to win.

Aitadis.8269:

Faced a Quad-DH team and my team got absolutely demoshed, mid ruby. This is ridiculous, and before you DH’s say 4v5 lol, it was basically a 3cap before our 5th DC’d. I was also forcing the enemy thief to rotate far and mid leaving my team to 3v2 at home and they couldn’t take it. 1 DH sat at far and another mid and thief rotated with me leaving 2 DH’s at home and the other 3 players on my team couldn’t 3v2 because DH OP. I had 1 death and rotated as good as anyone could, they won a 3v2 in mid at start as well because of the massive pressure and sustain they can do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhLGOUzR9ws

Why would you take a s3 meta condi chrono to a s4 DH meta fight?

Maybe attempt to counter their on point team prowess?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAseWncfC1ohlpBmqBEgilZjycEWhPoMAutcr+WD2jF-TpBCQBOsMwAeAAV4IAAgTAAGOEA5b/BA

Wipe em, wipe em all.

It’s like a garnish. It’ll make your build look professionaly made but all the tasty goodness is in the actual desert.

There’s no practical way, or reason to base a build around slow. It won’t achieve the goals you need in order to win.

Weakness and chill would be far more powerful debuffs to work in.

Frostball.9108:

Ross Biddle.2367:

TheDevice.2751:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Build to counter.

What this guy means is

Step 1: Go to metabattle
Step 2: Copy paste appropriate build
Step 3: Faceroll

Congrats you have just “adapted to the meta” like a pro gamer!

Actually, I build a hard counter and run it.

Then the response I get is “WHA WHA! But it’s not META, you don’t see that build in the ESL for a reason! (Cause we’re all playing in the ESL XD ) Sure you counter the (XYZ) but you’ll get beat up by (ABC).”

To which the solution is ‘Get better so you don’t die to ABC on your counter build’.

But that’s always the crux of the problem isnt it. “Git gud” is to much work for people XD

I much prefer just getting as good at that matchup as possible with your basic build, over time makes you a better player.

Time invested into a single class will do that regardless since the underlying mechanics don’t truly alter with a build change. That aside, sticking to a particular build can inevitably be to your detriment, the same way bringing a knife to a gun fight is a bad idea. It’s basic Play to Win philosophy.

Here is a “safer” tankier spec.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAseWncfC9filpBmqBEgilZjq+WD2jtMAutczcEWhPA-TpBCQB9Z/BMcIAGwDAAAnAgFWGoCHBAA

It’s a simple Ammy/Rune alternative. Paladin’s ammy to bring in the toughness/vit, then Aristacrosity (or any condi rune) for a bump to condition damage and to maintain some might duration. Hitting those team fights should stack up the 25 might which maintains those power strikes albiet without any bonus ferocity, and at 925 condition damage your mistrust confusion will still tick away. It’s a hit to damage for the sake of the safety net that toughness/vit provides. That’ll allow more on point presence, it might also be a good way to introduce yourself to the build. Just keep that alacrity uptime high, the chaos armor proccing, and cycling through the CC to grind down the opposition.

With Chrono we have easy ways to cast things under quickness.

Anyway, I remember somebody running IoL during S2 back in the support days for a bit of something different. He’d double it up with Csplit. Was ok. One thing about IoL though is that if you run out of HP while you’re under it, it’s insta death for you XD

For the most part there’s better things to put on the bar. I’d feel MoD was stronger to interrupt a stomp over using IoL for a 10s stomp denial. So there you go.

NICENIKESHOE.7128:

Been trying sinister ammy and swap well of recall to MoD and boy does this trait deliver.

During initial battle I bait out passive stab procs/CDs etc with power lock then manages to wipe (literally) 4 men opponent team with double gravity field and nullfield (20 stacks of confusion + 4.5 to 5k damage in each gravity well’s final pulse). Did the same thing again 2 more times in subsequent team fights, but 2 allies were downed (and 1 were downed in 3rd fight) so just marginally defeat one opponent before their team got rallies.

Tried it a couple more games, generally if opponent have necro/guardian/ele you’ll be very happy. But against thieves you’ll have hard time so you have to hide among teamfights (been like this for 3 years anyway lol). Surprisingly well against guardians since they don’t really spec for stun breaks other than virtue and passive proc. And they usually waste JI on initial burst so their stab uptime is actually not so pretty.

Yesa, yes, and yes. Thanks Nick for giving it a run and review :D

Azukas.1426:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Azukas.1426:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Azukas.1426:

Ross Biddle.2367:

apharma.3741:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Azukas.1426:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Azukas.1426:

Levetty.1279:

I’m honestly wondering if you even know what the glamour build was and if you did why, out of all the different mesmer builds across the different modes over the years that people have whined about it, was it this build that is casuing so much anguish, hatred of Mesmers and night terrors?

I abused it and posted the video that resulted in its nerfing in a thread a Lil while back. There were people saying the nerfing of said build was unjustified and wrong. These same people are very present in this thread….

You lost the argument, so now you’re changing the topic to something that happened in the first year of the game. And using it as a general ad hominem attack against “those people posting in this very thread”

Well played XD

ad hominem

adj.
Appealing to personal considerations rather than to logic or reason: Debaters should avoid ad hominem arguments that question their opponents’ motives.

I also love how you retell history with you at the epicenter XD lol

Well done on washing away all the nuance of mesmer, the meta, and those times all that time ago.

I didn’t make the video just posted the,one that got it nerfed because it showcased how broken it was. Did it in a thread awhile back where Fay and the gang were saying it didn’t need nerfing.

I think your having some issues and you’re welcome to PM if ya want

“you’re” as in “you are”, not “your”. No, I’m good. I mean, sure, the things you come out with illicit all kinds of response, but I wouldn’t call them problematic. Laughter is universally a good thing isn’kitten Very humorous either way. Like, I know you’re (<- prime example – you are) dead serious, but sometimes I have to ask myself if you’re not an supremely good troll.

Nicht , dass Grammatik ist falsch!

Godkitten it! I knew there’d be something in there ;D

I have cell phone auto correct working for me….what’s your excuse?

p.s. I’m far from an english grammar expert, but I believe you’ve misused some commas in there as well.

I’m an awful speller and even worse with grammar. Duh.

See, I’m honest.

So you’re basically admitting to correcting people on stuff you don’t really know about.

Good to know

Well played. But no. You were still very much misusing ‘your’ in place of ’you’re’. Much like all the rest of your posts in this thread ;D

Facts are still facts. Reality is still reality.

You missed that phone auto correct….

Oh, sorry. I didn’t realize it was your phone auto correct that had claimed s3 meta condi chrono was buffed by the latest balance patch and not you. My bad.

You need to use locations based skills. So on war, fire a ranged projectile, or hit GS5. GS will make you run and stop wherever his true location is. At that point you can hundred blades him, or the stomp option should come up.

But yes, its the sort of thing that needs hot fixing because it decides matches. Pull all your resources off PvE, hire a new team if you have to, get it fixed. Hand out bonuses if it’s done within 24 hours. That sort of thing.

brazenchick.4891:

so many noob mistakes. double dodges MULTIPLE times for no reason. 1vs multiple people for no reason. clearly noob play…move along

Just shows how messed up Rev is that you don’t even need to be somewhat decent to profit

;D

If you’re going to start touching people you may want to get lawyered up first.

Bah. Learn to survive on your own heal. L2P. Git Gud.

Eles, pffft.

Lol

Blink over to the technical forums and try posting there XD

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/support

or the bug forum. They also get more dev exposure.

Azukas.1426:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Azukas.1426:

Ross Biddle.2367:

apharma.3741:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Azukas.1426:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Azukas.1426:

Levetty.1279:

I’m honestly wondering if you even know what the glamour build was and if you did why, out of all the different mesmer builds across the different modes over the years that people have whined about it, was it this build that is casuing so much anguish, hatred of Mesmers and night terrors?

I abused it and posted the video that resulted in its nerfing in a thread a Lil while back. There were people saying the nerfing of said build was unjustified and wrong. These same people are very present in this thread….

You lost the argument, so now you’re changing the topic to something that happened in the first year of the game. And using it as a general ad hominem attack against “those people posting in this very thread”

Well played XD

ad hominem

adj.
Appealing to personal considerations rather than to logic or reason: Debaters should avoid ad hominem arguments that question their opponents’ motives.

I also love how you retell history with you at the epicenter XD lol

Well done on washing away all the nuance of mesmer, the meta, and those times all that time ago.

I didn’t make the video just posted the,one that got it nerfed because it showcased how broken it was. Did it in a thread awhile back where Fay and the gang were saying it didn’t need nerfing.

I think your having some issues and you’re welcome to PM if ya want

“you’re” as in “you are”, not “your”. No, I’m good. I mean, sure, the things you come out with illicit all kinds of response, but I wouldn’t call them problematic. Laughter is universally a good thing isn’kitten Very humorous either way. Like, I know you’re (<- prime example – you are) dead serious, but sometimes I have to ask myself if you’re not an supremely good troll.

Nicht , dass Grammatik ist falsch!

Godkitten it! I knew there’d be something in there ;D

I have cell phone auto correct working for me….what’s your excuse?

p.s. I’m far from an english grammar expert, but I believe you’ve misused some commas in there as well.

I’m an awful speller and even worse with grammar. Duh.

See, I’m honest.

So you’re basically admitting to correcting people on stuff you don’t really know about.

Good to know

Well played. But no. You were still very much misusing ‘your’ in place of ’you’re’. Much like all the rest of your posts in this thread ;D

Facts are still facts. Reality is still reality.

Wyrden.4713:

apharma.3741:

One criticism I will make is that we see a lot of footage where it cuts after you kill 1-2 guys but there’s a few still left. It makes us wonder whether you won or lost those fights, whether you got the kills or were left stomped.

It’s some pretty impressive bursts you’re doing and you do a good job kiting and surviving, still could do with seeing what the ultimate outcome was.

To put it in another way, those wanting to try the build get to see it in action but don’t get to see how effective it is as getting 1-2 stomps but getting killed yourself and not flipping a camp is a considerable point swing.

I will keep that in mind! Half of the time i cut it cause it’s just people either running away at the end, me running away, or me just dieing~

Generally speaking, I will cut a clip when whatever comes after fizzles out or drags on to some non-conclusion. I don’t want to bore a viewer with inconsequential. Drama, action, tension, these are all good tenants to focus on for the viewers sake. So stopping at a good conclusion is better than drawing on into the mundane.

Showing a defeat isnt necessarily a bad thing though. At the very least you can end off a vid with one.

Like at the end of this fight I finished off with my demise
https://youtu.be/3SzB0haYHlY?t=400
We wrested control of the point and dominated the fight over the 2.5 minutes. At the 9 minute mark my team suddenly pulls off and rotates away which I don’t wholly realize. I then get burst hard, and blink away, but make a critical error and walk off the ledge I’d escaped to with everything on CD. No health, no options left, and a 1v3, that was the end of that.

Access to both blocks, and unblockables, and what it costs (or should cost) to have them in your build are HUGE balance decisions that should not be made lightly.

If you feel there are to many blocks (without sufficient cost), perhaps the answer isnt to increase the number of unblockables across the board. But instead reduce the number of blocks, or potentially their durations/passivity.

Trevor Boyer.6524:

Nothing wrong with Capricorn.
Nothing wrong with Sky Hammer.

What is this thread even about anyway? I don’t see any of the OP’s post being relevant to anything that arena-net did wrong.

I’ll explain!

People queue up to play Capricorn.

People find themselves in Skyhammer.

Some players RQ

Everybody looses. 20 minutes of their life/gaming time wasted.

Rinse repeat XD

Consider that many people can only fit 3 matches into their day before they have to go to school/work/bed…. you know, first world problems. Life sucks. It’s a legit concern.

I went to the liberty…

You can have healing power, toughness, power, but you’re not allowed precision.

Sabtah.1704:

Never have been a fan of Arms trait, but I’ll give it a go.

Arms can appear very underwhelming, but it can also make something like a rifle, or berserker in general come to life under various setups.

Malediktus.9250:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Shooting them in the face is very therapeutic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0-cIENiTr0

that video shows nothing. yes it is possible to counter dhs, especially in 1v1, its fights with more players than that where it can become tedious to fight

High ranged DPS with 12s unblockables every 20s doesnt provide solid pressure vs DH’s? Given, DH’s still have all their tricks, but you’re underestimating the thorn this can be in a DH’s side XD. If you want to highlight the exchange in defenses, that’s simply a L2P issue.

Anyway, here’s my other current project I’m toying with for dealing with the DH team fight scenario. Again, it doesn’t nix all the DH’s tricks, but it pressures him to use absolutely everything fast. Everyone else wanting to chill out on point suffers too.

2:50
5:20
6:50

Did you lose the capture point to the DH?

Then he already won XD

messiah.1908:

i try this with diviner
100% boon duration
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAseWncfC1ohlpBmqBEgiFhj68D2gRrOTH1U1sAagAA-TZRGABov/Q5PAgEOBAAcEAW4QAAA

same concept just focus on power
if thief around i am in trouble if he perma dodge hit and run

i notice the build concept (also yours) is good versus necro, ranger, engi, ele,
guard thief and rev might be problem with blocks evade and dodges and huge dmg

While I take some boon duration, Im not bothered with major boon uptime. All might stacks occur on interrupt, which is when I’m bursting anyway. That’s when all the damage and condi’s spike, so that’s the only time I need it.

Azukas.1426:

Ross Biddle.2367:

apharma.3741:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Azukas.1426:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Azukas.1426:

Levetty.1279:

I’m honestly wondering if you even know what the glamour build was and if you did why, out of all the different mesmer builds across the different modes over the years that people have whined about it, was it this build that is casuing so much anguish, hatred of Mesmers and night terrors?

I abused it and posted the video that resulted in its nerfing in a thread a Lil while back. There were people saying the nerfing of said build was unjustified and wrong. These same people are very present in this thread….

You lost the argument, so now you’re changing the topic to something that happened in the first year of the game. And using it as a general ad hominem attack against “those people posting in this very thread”

Well played XD

ad hominem

adj.
Appealing to personal considerations rather than to logic or reason: Debaters should avoid ad hominem arguments that question their opponents’ motives.

I also love how you retell history with you at the epicenter XD lol

Well done on washing away all the nuance of mesmer, the meta, and those times all that time ago.

I didn’t make the video just posted the,one that got it nerfed because it showcased how broken it was. Did it in a thread awhile back where Fay and the gang were saying it didn’t need nerfing.

I think your having some issues and you’re welcome to PM if ya want

“you’re” as in “you are”, not “your”. No, I’m good. I mean, sure, the things you come out with illicit all kinds of response, but I wouldn’t call them problematic. Laughter is universally a good thing isn’kitten Very humorous either way. Like, I know you’re (<- prime example – you are) dead serious, but sometimes I have to ask myself if you’re not an supremely good troll.

Nicht , dass Grammatik ist falsch!

Godkitten it! I knew there’d be something in there ;D

I have cell phone auto correct working for me….what’s your excuse?

p.s. I’m far from an english grammar expert, but I believe you’ve misused some commas in there as well.

I’m an awful speller and even worse with grammar. Duh.

See, I’m honest.

Evilek.5690:

Guardian has all the protection based solely on the block
My solution on wery easy kill guardian is change Discipline trait line to Arms and use Signet Mastery trait, combinate with Signet of Might make all your attack unblockable over 12 sec every 25 sec.

BTW: unblockable Rampage is funny to

messiah.1908:

also consider more dh around so more condi cleanse thus your condi dmg will be low as it shown in this vid when you attack the guard on mid . only your direct dmg did the trick mainly

Right. It’s not a condi build though, so that’s not really an issue. Interrupts are going to spread confusion around, but they’re also going to generate might. That’s going to spike the power damage, meanwhile the AoE CC is going to do its thing. No matter what, the build forces use of everything. Invulns, condi cleanse, healing, stun breaks, stability. It kitten s opponent resources. Despite being glassy I can even bait out an offensive push just by playing defense on a point first as I did a couple times in the vid. Mistrust is just like icing on the cake.

Shooting them in the face is very therapeutic.

Azukas.1426:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Azukas.1426:

Levetty.1279:

I’m honestly wondering if you even know what the glamour build was and if you did why, out of all the different mesmer builds across the different modes over the years that people have whined about it, was it this build that is casuing so much anguish, hatred of Mesmers and night terrors?

I abused it and posted the video that resulted in its nerfing in a thread a Lil while back. There were people saying the nerfing of said build was unjustified and wrong. These same people are very present in this thread….

You lost the argument, so now you’re changing the topic to something that happened in the first year of the game. And using it as a general ad hominem attack against “those people posting in this very thread”

Well played XD

ad hominem

adj.
Appealing to personal considerations rather than to logic or reason: Debaters should avoid ad hominem arguments that question their opponents’ motives.

I also love how you retell history with you at the epicenter XD lol

Well done on washing away all the nuance of mesmer, the meta, and those times all that time ago.

I didn’t make the video just posted the,one that got it nerfed because it showcased how broken it was. Did it in a thread awhile back where Fay and the gang were saying it didn’t need nerfing.

I think your having some issues and you’re welcome to PM if ya want

“you’re” as in “you are”, not “your”. No, I’m good. I mean, sure, the things you come out with illicit all kinds of response, but I wouldn’t call them problematic. Laughter is universally a good thing isn’kitten Very humorous either way. Like, I know you’re (<- prime example – you are) dead serious, but sometimes I have to ask myself if you’re not an supremely good troll.

TheDevice.2751:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Build to counter.

What this guy means is

Step 1: Go to metabattle
Step 2: Copy paste appropriate build
Step 3: Faceroll

Congrats you have just “adapted to the meta” like a pro gamer!

Actually, I build a hard counter and run it.

Then the response I get is “WHA WHA! But it’s not META, you don’t see that build in the ESL for a reason! (Cause we’re all playing in the ESL XD ) Sure you counter the (XYZ) but you’ll get beat up by (ABC).”

To which the solution is ‘Get better so you don’t die to ABC on your counter build’.

But that’s always the crux of the problem isnt it. “Git gud” is to much work for people XD

messiah.1908:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Fay.2357:

Honestly it doesn’t look very good. Signet of inspiration is a total waste on your bar, you never have boons worth sharing. You don’t have the punch to do anything worthwhile offensively, and you spent much of your time in those fights being used as a pinball.

You’re also enormously overestimating the usefulness of retaliation. It’s absolutely not a 15% damage boost, especially not from the hilariously unreliable light aura.

I was underwhelmed by this video also. Even if you do provide heals, boons, etc, I couldnt help but think “Why not just blow them up?”.

Also I couldn’t help but wonder, if the enemy team just focused you how would it have gone?

with pugs if i am focus i can be in trouble. thus i need my team to burst on me. but its like any ele or ranger if they are focused much.

why not blow them up? power mesmer cant. condi mesmer with all the cleanse will take some time, and the team need some support and ele is too squishy so mainly use to be sort of bunker with mender amulet

I get it, I really do. I even expect if I saw you on the enemy team I’d be really annoyed every time I ran up to kick you off the point. It’s just that I want everyone to die a terrible, horrible death. You can tell just by watching the sort of thing I run compared to you XD

Fay.2357:

Honestly it doesn’t look very good. Signet of inspiration is a total waste on your bar, you never have boons worth sharing. You don’t have the punch to do anything worthwhile offensively, and you spent much of your time in those fights being used as a pinball.

You’re also enormously overestimating the usefulness of retaliation. It’s absolutely not a 15% damage boost, especially not from the hilariously unreliable light aura.

I was underwhelmed by this video also. Even if you do provide heals, boons, etc, I couldnt help but think “Why not just blow them up?”.

Also I couldn’t help but wonder, if the enemy team just focused you how would it have gone?

Vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SzB0haYHlY&feature=youtu.be

Build
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAseWncfC9filpBmqBEgilZjqMAutczcEWhPo+WD2jF-TpBCQBA4EAMgHAQ+2foCHBAHWGADHCAA

Altered Build I’ve been running
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAseWncfC1ohlpBmqBEgilcjquVr1dtMAWtWz8CetJA-TpBCABD8AAA4EA4VZAMOEA5v/QFHBAA
So amazingly I fixed up my comp which has been underperforming for an age and all of a sudden I can play and record without issue anymore. I’m haven’t been interested in partaking in S4, but reading about the DH infestation it got me to thinking what I could do to rain on their parade.

During S3, or on the off season I came up with this build which maximizes on ranged AoE CC and damage with optimized downtime on CC’s. So far so good.

Watch out for the 1v2 6k+ confusion proc, and multiple general team explosions :D

Azukas.1426:

Levetty.1279:

I’m honestly wondering if you even know what the glamour build was and if you did why, out of all the different mesmer builds across the different modes over the years that people have whined about it, was it this build that is casuing so much anguish, hatred of Mesmers and night terrors?

I abused it and posted the video that resulted in its nerfing in a thread a Lil while back. There were people saying the nerfing of said build was unjustified and wrong. These same people are very present in this thread….

You lost the argument, so now you’re changing the topic to something that happened in the first year of the game. And using it as a general ad hominem attack against “those people posting in this very thread”

Well played XD

ad hominem

adj.
Appealing to personal considerations rather than to logic or reason: Debaters should avoid ad hominem arguments that question their opponents’ motives.

I also love how you retell history with you at the epicenter XD lol

Well done on washing away all the nuance of mesmer, the meta, and those times all that time ago.

Supreme.3164:

Saiyan.1704:

sinject.4607:

“Lessened weaknesses”

understatement of the year. Dragonhunter has literally no weaknesses whatsoever now.

Was speaking in relation of prepatch to post patch, our weaknesses prepatch was addressed but other classes received nerfs as well.

sinject.4607:

tactics wise, they have no weakness against kiting (the only profession that can kite them is Druid, everything else doesn’t even come close to having the ranged pressure needed to do this, and this is barely doable for even good Druids), attrition, heavy pressure, or burst. they can respond to all of it.

You’re right, we can respond to most instances. So can Rev, War & Druids. Our weaknesses are the same as Revs. Only differences, Revs skill floor is higher and I absolutely wish DH was at that level mechanically.

sinject.4607:

1. your suggestion for playing against Purification is impossible in conquest. a good DH will almost always drop it on point. poison wont work either because of Smiter’s Boon and Hunter’s Fortification.
2. you can’t kite a Symbol DH. they can close gaps pretty easily and Scepter can handily respond to most ranged weapons, they also have various shields and blocks which again makes this a bad idea for anyone save for Druid.

the unavoidable truth is that Purification needs to be nerfed to either not heal if the trap doesn’t actually hit a player or just get nerfed in overall healing. aegis/stability up-time needs nerfs. S/F + Sc/Sh needs a 10-15% minimum overall damage nerf. these sets are just outright too defensively substantive to be doing the kind of damage they do.

You have to look at what was changed on DH and what was nerfed on other classes. You can’t think like a Thief when it comes to balances. Here’s an example:

• Symbols were added to Sword&Scepter post patch. Prepatch, we had issues with Engi due to all of his reflects but now Symbols do full damage despite his shielding. This is an easy fix without even touching dh 1-handers, it’s an Engi thing. It will also further support his allies on point, limiting DH 1-handers a bit.
• Engineer’s bursts were also nerfed. This means he can’t burst DH quicker, forcing us to use a cd sooner. Less bursts means our cds have time to recover quicker. Anet has a habit to turn burst damages on a class into residual. The issue is the residual looks fine on paper but you just increased the time it takes to kill – dh sustains longer than scrappers in a 1v1 due to scraps lesser dmges.

I think traps in general should have half radius, 40% reduced cooldown but have less damages in compensation so the skill factor improves rather than it being faceroll in lower tiers. That I can agree on but i’m not entirely sure if that’s the right route to take.

Ashamir.9574:

Nice how OP never once mentions the word “scrapper” in their post.

Actually I briefly said, “they were missing something”. I didn’t go into much detail because it didn’t matter at the time. DH obliterates them 1v1, it’s not even funn

(prepatch we actually got them below 20% health in competitive dueling on meta builds before we died. Now their nerfs and our buffs made the gap too big in the Guard’s favor.)

Do you realize that dragon hunter is the only thing currently keeping in check DD and chronomancers?

Nobody anymore save dh can hold a point now, a chronomancer would drop a gravity well and just spam shatter till you won’t die or force you out of the point, portal/sb for quick map rotation and nothing that can stop them 1vs1 at equal skill level.

It’s so easy to force a chrono off point it’s not funny.

And they’re far easier/quicker to DPS down than a DH currently.

I have this on vid XD

messiah.1908:

guys its so easy – portal that’s it

remove it and no one use mesmer plain simple
also remove class stacking we will see DH bunker or dmg

portal keeping us in this top tier game nothing else

No no no, it’s because S3 Meta condi chrono build is super duper mega googleplex OP, and the balance patch before S4 buffed S3 meta condi chrono in every single way so now its super duper mega googleplex infinity and beyond OP.

Cause, Azukas said so, because pro league players something something meta.

Rofl.

Anyway, back to some objective reality. Patch notes didnt buff meta condi chrono. Meta condi chrono does not use torch in PvP, because Shield is stronger in every single way for conquest game mode, and rebalancing of other classes is not, by definition, a “buff”. Even then, the re-balancing of other classes has actually seen the removal/shift of those so supposedly weaker classes/builds, and the introduction of other classes/builds that’ve seen meta condi chrono in a weaker place due to their presence (not to mention past nerfs that’ve brought meta condi chrono back down to earth). So overall, no buffs, and meta condi chrono is easier to counter than ever.

Leading us to the already stated and restated point, Chrono is only taken in that inconsequential part of the game that nobody plays (ESL) because it has access to portal. ~FIN

I just bring full balls to the wall DPS rifle war/berserker with double might sig, and gun them down.

Then I have to hope the rest of my team don’t die to all the DH’s and fight for the points.

Cynz.9437:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Do what I do: focus the thief/mes/whoever. You can 2v1 them with svan’s help, then kill svan XD

If you can see them :P I just stealth camp and wait for last strike

Yes yes, its been long established Thief OP and in need of nerfing XD

Cynz.9437:

OK OP, in which category this falls?

Ranked, sapphire/ruby range, 4 people on my team never left mid (besides when they died), even if there was only 1 enemy there and regardless how much i asked for help at home.
I spent entire match in 1v2, 1v3 situations trying to defend our home, recapping far/our home etc. Thankfully enemy team was just as bad and i could solo their DHs/thief etc.

The point is, Cynz, that OP is saying you’re not allowed feelings. And if you MUST have feelings, you CERTAINLY arent allowed to express them by calling it how it is.

When your team mates appear to suck, it’s actually just you creating an apparition for your own fear and self loathing to attack. Shame on you!

Do what I do: focus the thief/mes/whoever. You can 2v1 them with svan’s help, then kill svan XD

This is what it looks like

https://youtu.be/f08wDIdB0-g?t=332

And yes, it will cost you games XD

Azukas.1426:

I guess y’all are still in the denial stage.

Oh man, you’re still going.

de•ni•al

n.
A refusal to comply with or satisfy a request.
n.
A refusal to grant the truth of a statement or allegation; a contradiction.

According to the definition you’re two for two. You made a bold, undeniably clear statement without justification. Then when asked to back up your statement and provide evidence, provided nothing but misdirection and, at best, conjecture. Here’s the statement so we can all marvel in astonishment-

Azukas.1426:

We mesmers got buffed everywhere EVEN condi. The rest of the patch does indeed help the condi build unfortunately

Everything beyond the simple request and non-answer of yours has been a contradiction. Such as claiming others are in denial when, clearly, you’re projecting that very reality XD

First Impression

Went in expecting to see a lot of DH and Chrono

Was right

Took Ultimate Gunflame berserker build. Destroyed everything I saw, including Druid, Scrappers etc. Rev kicked me off a point one time which wasn’t a surprise.

Already bored. Going back to Uncharted 4 PvP :D

wish read I thread only understanding not OP’s sentences words with out of order and punctuation concept foreign

even not paragraph completing with full stop known also as period

Build to counter.

Dr Patrik.3642:

First, I don’t care about you special snowflakes that like to run sinister mesmer or anything like that, that’s fine and its not op. What I do have a problem with is the builds that I listed, all of which I have played quite extensively too, and can carry 90% of my games by rolling my face across my keyboard. Just like I did with bunker ele where I got to 5 pips from legend, solo, by going to mid and doing /sleep (I wish I was joking). So that also means the opposite of what some of you are claiming, I’m not complaining because I lost to these builds, I’m complaining because I win WAY to easily with them.

For the record, I do think classes like revenant and thief have to many damage mitigation skills, and that scrapper has to many passive defensive skills, and that DH has to much healing for the damage it can do, and so on. However, THE PVP DEVS CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. now I’m not a master with those builds, but I have used them an sufficient amount to be able to say what I am with some meaning.

I’m just trying to do something that I haven’t seen anyone else on the forums try to do. That is try to come up with ideas for ways the PvP devs can make PvP a better experience so it might one day be able to resemble the high points of pre HoT (just without cele ele of course) by using the tools they have and not ask for things they can’t do.

Edit: I don’t just think scrapper just needs passive nerfs, they also need more added to their kit (in my opinion, I’m not a scrapper expert so feel free to correct me) so they can do more then just be tanky, hard to kill, and do some okay damage.

So let me get this straight.

Tempest was an OP sustain powerhouse in S3, so you want carrion and rabid removed for S4.

That’s some sound logic right there.

Dr Patrik.3642:

To all you condi cheese players that haven’t stopped reading to make a rage post yet. Do you still want to play condi? Then use viper/sinister or any other condi amulet and L2P. Nobody should be able to land a few skills from range and have it deal 20k damage if those condis aren’t removed. If you want to do the damage of a burst build, than have the defense of a burst build. Oh, and there gets a point to where power builds run out of condi clear skills, cause they have to be spammed to keep up with the never ending condis, so don’t even try to use the “just cleanse it” excuse.

Next week: OP gets rekt by players using viper/sinister and rushes back to the forums:-

“OMG, viper/sinister condi/power/hybrid builds are faceroll and need to go!…..”

In the future, instead of QQ’ing, just ask yourself, what would Brian Boitano do?

XerMeLL.6042:

Ross Biddle.2367:

XerMeLL.6042:

I dont like it, I want to fight like a man.

Don’t play to “fight like a man”. Play to win.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

A common call of the scrub is to cry that the kind of play in which one tries to win at all costs is “boring”, “not fun”, or “not manly.” Who knows what objective the scrub has, but we know his objective is not truly to win.

What I really wanted to say as “fight like a man” is, to “play fair”. Play fair so i can master my warrior. Master my Warrior to Win. Thanks to your quote.

Don’t play to “play fair”. Play to win. Learning is good, yes. But dominating your opponent is the only clear definition of true mastery. Perplexity builds are just one legitimate path to attaining victory. Nothing “unfair” or “cheap” about it.

In Street Fighter, the scrub labels a wide variety of tactics and situations “cheap.” This “cheapness” is truly the mantra of the scrub. Performing a throw on someone is often called cheap. A throw is a special kind of move that grabs an opponent and damages him, even when the opponent is defending against all other kinds of attacks. The entire purpose of the throw is to be able to damage an opponent who sits and blocks and doesn’t attack. As far as the game is concerned, throwing is an integral part of the design—it’s meant to be there—yet the scrub has constructed his own set of principles in his mind that state he should be totally impervious to all attacks while blocking.

Next balance patch:

Utility goggles now reveals traps.

Thief trait X allows the sensing and disarming traps

XD

Does the OP mean activated trap animation?

Because, you know, that’d make sense. Unlike all the responses thus far XD