Guild Wars 2

Shut up. Just shut up, you had me at “Hi everyone,”

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

i think many people that complain dh are too powerful are mainly hotjoin players.

i just did my pvp daily in hotjoin just now, the opponents died very quickly to my dragon hunter.

i was using paladin’s amulet and not even marauder amulet. 0 ferocity so critical only hits for the base 150% damage.

OMG, confirmation right here, DH so OP he can 100-0 players with paladin’s. No ferocity necessary!!!!

Nerf DH ASAP plees, Anet.

XerMeLL.6042:

I dont like it, I want to fight like a man.

Don’t play to “fight like a man”. Play to win.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

A common call of the scrub is to cry that the kind of play in which one tries to win at all costs is “boring”, “not fun”, or “not manly.” Who knows what objective the scrub has, but we know his objective is not truly to win.

trooper.2650:

Fay.2357:

Back during season 3 before I remembered that PvP in this game is a waste of time,

This made me smile
But let me ask you a question. In which other game pvp isn’t a wate of time, or aren’t games just a waste of time? I know, I should not be asking this in a game forum in the first place….

Oh well…

That’s probably relative to what you get out of it.

Like, I might expect a PvP to provide a challenging, fun, rewarding experience (all virtues in and of themselves). If Uncharted PvP provides that, but GW2 doesnt, well, there you go.

If you’re of a mind to think “Makes $$ = good use of time” you need to seriously rethink your life XD

Chaith.8256:

Supreme.3164:

Chaith.8256:

Elxdark.9702:

PvP is already dead, Anet wanted this game for casuals and there you have, a bunch of passives, automatic stun breaker traits and condi cheese which only leads to boredom.

@Chaith you’re a pro and veteran player I can’t believe you are actually approving Anet patches… seriously dude the game is full of passives and there’s not skill involved at all, not even at high lvl play because that’s more team coordination than skill.

Yes this meta is somehow more faster than the last ones but it isn’t even close to what balance means lol, stop trying to defend something which isn’t defensible.

I don’t give a crap about disagreeing with the majority of players that blindly trash every patch, just cause’ ArenaNet didn’t get absolutely everything right. Just cause ‘the game’s full of passives’, doesn’t mean the game didn’t come back from the brink of the worst balance ever in fall 2015. Patches since then must’ve been so bad just as you say, huh.

So to you, the game has no skill involved at all, who cares that there’s now incomprehensible power differences due to mechanical skill on Guardians, Revs, Mesmers, Warriors, and Necros, and Thieves all now running high risk, high reward amulets if they didn’t before?

You may not consider team coordination and using support properly as skill, and all professions being represented equally, and healthy pace of action in PvP not being balance related. You’re entitled to your opinion but I don’t think what you’re saying is even close to being common sense.

People on the forums be like, lol anet sux, but never acknowledge good things that happen.

Yah..I’d like to see you playing a magi or marauder elementalist then come back and say to us again how anet did good things

Scrimmed against it and with it, pro EU teams especially seem to really like them still. Can’t wait to see your face when you realize they’re still a viable competitive pick. Menders amulet deserves a mention over Marauder, tho’, but it seems to be okay in casual.

From what I’ve seen, a good ele is still good to have. What’s truly nice about eles now is that they arent invincible, and you can beat them down relative to the time it takes to do the same with everybody else. Even then, they’ll disengage if they have/want to, just like regular mortal classes always have XD

It just means somebody else has to sub onto the point. Tag team pro wrestling ftw :D

Exciton.8942:

I think the balance will be even worse w/o elite spec.
Warrior will probably be ultra dominant.

You’d be wrong, but ok. Strong, but not be all end all. Could be said of many.

messiah.1908:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Watched your vid.

Remember, sword leap procs chaos armor in your fields. You gotta proc that kitten man! XD

i know i hate sword thus i hardly use it beside evade frame

Since you say that I’m going to tell you another.

You drop iLeap, then get knocked back from a DH. Your clone is still up yet you don’t swap to get back on top of the target. You do f3 though, which makes use of the clone. However if you swapped first you’d of dazed from yourself, then got a second daze from the inc clone

FYI, sexy commentary XD

Also, just a random freebie, you can iSwap while casting now. So if you have a clone up, and use something like your BF, you can hit swap before the BF ends port.

After buying HoT I logged into GW2 PvP. I spelunked into WvW a tiny bit, unlocked an elite spec kitten ing around, but other than those couple hours havent looked sideways at any of all that HoT content.

I’ve wondered about PvP if Elite specs were suddenly no longer present. It makes me wonder why I’d have HoT at all XD

So does your request come with a HoT refund? :p

Watched your vid.

Remember, sword leap procs chaos armor in your fields. You gotta proc that kitten man! XD

Zelulose.8695:

Ya chronomancer and condition warrior are stupid easy to play right now. Even worse is condi thief…

Both are hard countered by power berserker using rifle.

Maybe don’t play a build that condi chrono and condi warrior hard counter?

Play to win.

Support Chrono will keep a war stripped of his resistance (and a team clean of condi’s) so that condi classes can bomb without worrying about resistance. Team game. Comp better.

It’s not S3 anymore people. Get on with the game already.

XerMeLL.6042:

Gunflame is a lot better than Killshot. It has long cast time and can easily be dodged.

Gunflame is better than killshot for an assortment of reasons. But Gunflame is not the be all and end all, and killshot does have some things to offer that a Gunflame based build cannot.

Killshot is perfectly fine if you know what you’re doing.

you rotated far and held out 1v3 DH’s for half the match.

I remember back in the day when Ranger LB got buffed and suddenly there were LB rangers everywhere. OMFG was running a 5 mesmer comp, with three rangers on the enemy team we all took feedback. It was glorious.

You might want to check your links

I decided it was more fun and profitable playing power shatter chrono and just blowing people up. Then I realized I have almost no time or patience for this game and logged off XD

I imagine playing support is most fun and profitable when you do have friends to work with. Otherwise it can be genuine heartache.

Alekt.5803:

Am I seeing the same thing as everyone? Every game I go are filled of guardians and the most guardians in a team, the more chance of winning they have.

Strong on point presence to cap/hold points

Heavy on point AoE DPS

Super strong ranged DPS pressure to kill would be ranged counter pressure

Glass ammy meta

????

profit XD

Playing ele is kind of like playing tetris. It’s a cool game for what it’s worth, but certainly not what you’d expect to be doing when you log into a modern day MMO.

Never played a DH. Played against plenty of them. Can confirm though, they do tend to stand still on point, spam through their skills, yet hit like trucks despite not using the typical speed and momentum physics requires of such a vehicle XD. Oh and invulns/blocks yada yada.

With the glass amulet meta, you should expect to see a lot of them

Rifle allows you to play ranged, and to kite. So you need either GS, or Sword/Shield for mobility (sword leap, can also trait it for cd) but GS is better for more DPS/melee pressure.

Builds can be varied. Either vanilla killshot, or berserker for gunflame.

You can go Str/Arms/Disc for full or Str/Ams/Berserker for full zerker berserker mode. This is full disengage and play from the sides mode. If you get focused run. If you get chased (by a thief) its kill or die.

You can go Arms/Def/Disc or Arms/Def/Berserker. This will allow you to stick it out in a fight more. This is what I play, double might sig. Rifle/GS.

This is just one variation on a build
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQJAURnMdAdhg1dAWhAEliFlADJ0NC+AHZhAQN7N3+bTuA-TZBBABlVGggjAAAXCg+3fQ/HAAA

Azukas.1426:

musu.9205:

@Ross Biddle.2367

with all those immune , are you implying he is a war main shouting for great justice . that totally made a lot of sense now .

only one question left ,why Azukas.1426 math skill is failing so hard ?

Wrong thread bruh

spelling too.

messiah.1908:

guys listen my build became meta and i have a proof

Next time counter with a question

“Who plays to win?”

Link.1049:

I’m seeing power shatter in nearly all the Mesmers in pvp, done right it can do 17-20k in one burst. Personally I like the other meta better as it has more evasive skills, when you go into 3-4 matches in an all but 1 of them 4 of the other team and 2 on your team are Mesmer, you’ve found the out of balance class. I haven’t found a good counter for it yet and from conversations with others they haven’t either. It’s the double whammy of damage and conditions that’s out of whack.

Proof you can do 20k in one hit!

messiah.1908:

also tried feedback instead of disenchanter. can work nicely

are we creating glamour builds…….

XD

You didnt post your updated build btw.

Choppy.4183:

Yeah, warriors are better now than they were 4 months ago for sure. What’s the context where you’re trying to beat them? Duels, spvp, something else?

Also, do you know what they’re throwing at you? Is it heavy on traps, plus a longbow?

Power DH’s using LB, some combo of traps, and possibly projectile hate seem to be all the rage in PvP atm XD

Can confirm, they are a pain.

I’m anticipating HEAVY DH presence this coming season, and given the squish level factor their LB spam are going to be hitting everyone hard. So depending on the enemy team comp, more range hate will go a long way if/where you can fit it in.

messiah.1908:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Verock.8234:

Ross Biddle.2367:

How will it fare vs Killshot Mesmer?

Real question, Ross, who can fare vs your killshot mes?

XD

messiah.1908:

Ross Biddle.2367:

How will it fare vs Killshot Mesmer?

i really dont know as i havent seen any

1v1 it hold versus rev, engi, ranger, condi warrior, condi mesmer, necro

It’s tongue and cheek. In theory it should tear you to shreds. Your shield becomes a liability as your blocks/projectile hate become null and void, and you can’t hope to kite/sustain the ranged pressure. It’s non reliant on boons in sofar as it needs resistance to counter conditions, but since you have no real condition pressure that’s not a concern. Team focus would change this, but since the build can continue to pressure from range it doesn’t just have to keel over to that.

So yeah, I’d certainly like to have this on my team depending on what I was running, but I wouldnt be to concerned if I were facing it XD

i think is most cases you cant build to negate every other builds out there

so i guess my team would have to support me versus dmg and pressure the enemies who target me. same with ele or even old bunker mesmer.

even with this build if the thief target me i will go down eventualy if no one pressure him

Which is fair. So the question then becomes how does it hold up to team focus fire, which should do fairly well so long as you can pull off to drop focus and return.

Verock.8234:

Ross Biddle.2367:

How will it fare vs Killshot Mesmer?

Real question, Ross, who can fare vs your killshot mes?

XD

messiah.1908:

Ross Biddle.2367:

How will it fare vs Killshot Mesmer?

i really dont know as i havent seen any

1v1 it hold versus rev, engi, ranger, condi warrior, condi mesmer, necro

It’s tongue and cheek. In theory it should tear you to shreds. Your shield becomes a liability as your blocks/projectile hate become null and void, and you can’t hope to kite/sustain the ranged pressure. It’s non reliant on boons in sofar as it needs resistance to counter conditions, but since you have no real condition pressure that’s not a concern. Team focus would change this, but since the build can continue to pressure from range it doesn’t just have to keel over to that.

So yeah, I’d certainly like to have this on my team depending on what I was running, but I wouldnt be to concerned if I were facing it XD

Verock.8234:

You need portal and blink to stay viable, running null field and mirror images will work in solo Q, but not stand a chance in competitive play.

I wasn’t able to find a build link, but if you take the Inspiration trait line, you shouldn’t have to take null field.

You don’t understand the build, or more importantly the roll of it. There’s no need for portal because the build will be holding/supporting a point, primarily. Rotations will be minimal, leaving that up to the more mobile classes.

Inspiration serves for personal cleanse and additional healing. Null field takes things a step further and adds boon strip, which has been lacking with the return of warriors into the meta. Resistance, and stability to a lesser degree hold many opponents up, and stripping those for a counter offensive are a huge advantage, particularly in a team fight. Having null field to cleanse your own conditions (or the teams for that matter) is just a bonus.

Of course the build still needs to be tried and tested in the coming meta, but the theory is there, and it’s not idiotic. It’s served in the past, albeit under different circumstances.

How will it fare vs Killshot Mesmer?

Thief was the first thing that came to mind.

When you can’t pressure a thief back, they’re going to keep coming, and coming, and coming. Eventually you’ll go down.

musu.9205:

Azukas.1426:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Azukas.1426:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Azukas.1426:

apharma.3741:

Azukas.1426:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Azukas.1426:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Azukas.1426:

OriOri.8724:

Azukas.1426:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Azukas.1426:

We mesmers got buffed everywhere EVEN condi. The rest of the patch does indeed help the condi build unfortunately

What you can take from this post-

Nonviable mesmer stuff got buffed.

Nonviable buffed mesmer stuff still nonviable.

Yes, this is unfortunate

XD

P.S. Nothing was buffed that the meta condi chrono build uses. How this was missed by this mesmer is astounding. We mesmers know otherwise.

~Posturing like a boss.

Read the rest of the patch notes and you’ll see what i’m talking about. Was the build directly buffed no, but it was indirectly buffed.

“Indirectly buffed” You keep using that phrase. I don’t think you fully understand what it means though.

Just because other classes had their sustain toned down isn’t a buff to mesmers, not even indirectly. That is just class balancing. Making them easier to kill period is not a buff to mesmers, it just isn’t. All it does is bring them more in line with other classes.

So the build which was God tier last meta didn’t get nerfed but ALL the builds it faces/has problems with did…..and you claim it wasn’t indirectly buffed.

The defense rests.

Great, so you concede that S3 Condi Chrono build wasn’t buffed, and your statement was factually wrong. Glad we cleared that up.

Ooo facts, let’s go over some. Meta Condi Chrono was hard countered by both condi berserker and power berserker, and still is now. Meta Condi chrono has zero boon removal and can’t do anything to high resistant uptime. Condi chrono relies HEAVILY on blocks, and fails completely to unblockables. Condi chrono is susceptible to range pressure, has poor kiting ability, and zero stealth for target drop. Meta condi chrono has a single stun break, and zero stability, making it susceptible to CC/interrupt/lockdown. Meta condi chrono isnt weak by any stretch, and can have other lesser troubles not mentioned here (heavy direct aoe pressure killing clones for example), but if you don’t know how to take down a condi chrono, and thinks its super OP, it’s 100% a learn to play issue on your part.

Here’s how a typical fight goes against a meta condi chrono when you A: know what you’re doing, and B: come prepared (pro tip: note the unblockables shutting down all his “OP” defences, and his inability to escape heavy ranged pressure)
https://youtu.be/_78YhAAcs6w?t=111

~Much <3 4 Azukas.

PS: If anything the balancing of other classes will allow for the entry of more classes/builds to deal with things like meta condi chrono. This is a good thing.

Indirect is something you should look up.

Also please don’t post videos of non meta builds claiming counter. A condi Mesmer can hold out long enough vs a condi warrior for help to arrive or just out maneuver him.

Please use real examples next time

Are you suggesting bringing a “meta” build to a fight that isnt capable of doing the job?

I don’t think you realize how playing to win works.

You claim Meta Condi Chrono is “God tier”. I prove Meta Condi Chrono is HARD counterable (meaning utterly defeatable). You ignore/evade the argument as always.

FYI, in conquest, pushing the meta condi chrono off point for the decap is a victory for the fight. Of course the chrono can “avoid” (staff kite, f4 distortion). He looses the point regardless.

Any argument that “help can arrive” aka “Meta condi chrono saved by rotations” is at best a weak argument because A: That means his team is weaker on the other two points, and B: the other team can simply rotate to make it an even 2v2.

Please, continue with your “God tier” argument. I’d like to hear more

~Still a L2P issue.

I got the entire ESL pro league on my side bruh. You got yourself running a non meta warrior who you built to counter 1 specific build.

So can you tell me which team ran a power warrior in the finals? Can you tell me which teams ran condi mesmers ^^

Again come at me when you have legitimate examples and facts instead of “Look what I did in Hot Join bruh!”

Actually you’re wrong and misinformed as usual Azukas citing who you believe to know better but without understanding what they say or do for yourself.

In the pro league finals didn’t you think it was weird that TCG condi warrior ran the non condition damage greatsword?

Helseth explained the reasoning behind this afterwards on his stream (can’t link as you need to sub to see vods now) and that was that it allowed the warrior to win match ups it usually wouldn’t and they knew what the likely team comp of Rank 55 was.

Just to explain the point clearly: You adjust your builds to counter what you’re fighting. In Ross’ examples power warrior is alright against things that do not apply tons of poison and/or blinds which put him at a favourable match up vs mesmer, ele, druid and can do alright vs engy and rev. This is mostly due to CI and adrenal healing with HS giving 1k/s regen and blinds/blocks (note you can proc off pets) would shut it down hard.

Highlighted everything that mattered. Again come at me when you see a power warrior in the finals.

The claim was “Power AND condi berserker hard counter meta condi chrono”. So yeah, thanks for affirming you have no basis for an argument once again

You say: God Tier, needs a nerf. Got buffs this balance patch!!!! <- XD

People who know say: Solid build, strong, looking good all things considered. Not immortal, has weaknesses, and is counterable (both downable and able to be forced off point).

Reasonable people know: Hmm, if a supposedly God Tier class/build can get absolutely rekt by a “trash” non-meta build, maybe its not so God Tier afterall…

Anyway, this debate is pretty thoroughly defeated at this point. GG. See you next balance change I guess, Azukas.

You linked a power warrior build and I told you to gtfo with that power bullkitten. It’s not meta and tcg ran a condi warrior with a GS…..aka still condi

The condi mesmer isn’t going to get wtfpwnedonpoint in 0.02 seconds and a skilled player can hold out for help from a rotation if they are outmatched.

I honestly believe you need to stop posting and realize you’re just flat out wrong.

It’s ok, beliefs can be wrong.

I’ve actually demonstrated why your statements are factually inaccurate. So bag on me all you like, it’s the facts you’re stumbling over.

no you havent

Azukas.1426

id really like to see you playing op mes , please record it in all game modes and story instance with those buffed skills . just curious , since you are the only one who denied basically whatever we said about mes , you must have some special mes gameplay .

No need. This one time recording has already been provided, outlining the extent of it.

You’re late to the party.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Perma-quickness-resistant-Warrior-build/first#

100% resistance uptime makes a warrior OP not.

Ithilwen.1529:

Can we resolve the problem by punishing players? No, punishment almost never deters behavior as any psychiatrist could tell you.

Whatever psychiatrists you’ve been seeing, you need to find a better one.

Negative consequences do, in fact, alter behavior XD

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

hmmm thanks for sharing!

now i only need to find 4 other people to test this out with me since i am rather lonely at the moment.

Got you something

https://youtu.be/6EEW-9NDM5k?t=9

Or this

Or maybe this

Given the 100% (or 70%) boon duration thread in the pvp forum -
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Perma-quickness-resistant-Warrior-build/first# -
using Diviner’s ammy, I wondered if something workable in the hybrid area couldn’t work, and perhaps be worth it with some support mixed in. I’m not pro at war outside of zerk rifle/gs so was wanting the warrior gods to give it the instant look over critique with your scarred, flame filled eyes.

Build – Zerker
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAneTnMdAdhgdfAWhAElilrAL5C8BWdvj2SbrFJAkAKAA-TpQTABAs/QqlBAA

Build – Vanilla/Discipline
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAneTjMdQXI2GCWhAdIGuCKMASgCIvgPY11cIFaBA-TpQTABpWGAg9HAA

If you could maintain full might stacks through LB and blasts, you could run a hybrid damage build with team support.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAneTnMdAdhgdfAWhAElilrAL5C8BWdvj2SbrFJAkAKAA-TpQTABAs/QqlBAA

Not really sure on the second weapon set. Everybody loves a shield, axe provides that power burst, though sword provides more mobility. Both have leap finishers attached, so can proc fire shields. Stats are fairly bruiser worthy too. Maybe I’ll run it by the warrior subforum and see what they think.

roamzero.9486:

Ive run a variant of this in WvW. If it’s anywhere as brokenly OP in sPvP as it is there then it’s something that needs to be looked at IMO. As long as there is access to boon duration in sPvP, the cooldown on Zerker Stance and Healing Signet active needs to be upped, or Resistance boon itself needs to be tweaked.

High resistance uptime might look amazing on paper (and depending on the meta, or just what you’re fighting at the time it is). But as soon as you bring something simple as a mesmer into the mix who’s running shattered concentration, or knows hot to handle a solid null field (I know some who’d swear by iDisencanter too) all that strength evaporates and the resistant reliant warrior is in for the kitten.

So sure, if there’s some big rise in wars with long duration resistance, you’ll quickly find boon ripping builds arise that’ll shut it down hard and fast. Because, it’s that easy XD

sephiroth.4217:

Ross Biddle.2367:

sephiroth.4217:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Why did you pick Lyssa rune instead of Leadership?

Leadership is 30% boon duration on it’s own.

Honestly, if you’re going to min/max and talk broken, you might aswell do it properly.

Ross Biddle.2367:

So I ran the setup (recorded it too)

It lacks damage. And I need that damage to put things like thieves on the ground immediately.

So yeah, great boon uptime, but not OP.

Will post the vid when I get to it.

Honestly went Lyssa for condition removal to make up the loss from Cleansing Ire but the damage does lack a little, I’ve been experimenting on getting that higher since I posted by using Hoelbrak runes.

Still dusting off the Warrior but this thread was mostly aimed at the duration of resistance and quickness that an unskilled player like myself could achieve, I’m sure Warrior mains could do a lot better and I am definitely going to try Leadership runes now thanks :D

Leadership does team-wide convert 2 boons on elite use, kitten cd. That said, you can avoid heavy condi pressure without cleansing ire by taking a range weapon for kiting, and properly using your resistance (not talking max boon duration either, but timely use XD )

Here’s the boon duration vid. Crit rate is pretty low for a power build, and even when it crit it didnt feel like it hit hard enough. Especially against those thieves who I needed to go down easier than not.

https://youtu.be/f08wDIdB0-g

I’m uploading the match I did straight after to show you the comparison.

What’s the go with that thief at 5:40 when you down him? He just glides across the ground lol

Hack or lag? Never seen that before 0.o

Anyway that first mid was fantastic to watch until their whole team arrived

Some bug occurred to do with the animation, what he was doing, when and how he went down, and how the server/client processed it all. He was down where he landed, but I couldn’t be sure/figure it out as… yeah he just kept sliding as far as the client my end was concerned XD

From about 5:20 for anyone wondering wtf we’re talking about

adelaide.6213:

Protip: if you play with skill retargetting, you can retarget the scepter-counter to your team’s focus target, even if that target didn’t trigger it.

(works with sword 4 too)

That’s a great idea. Ive only started using skill retargeting since polishing off my pro warrior skills. So ill def be picking this one up

Azukas.1426:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Azukas.1426:

apharma.3741:

Azukas.1426:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Azukas.1426:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Azukas.1426:

OriOri.8724:

Azukas.1426:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Azukas.1426:

We mesmers got buffed everywhere EVEN condi. The rest of the patch does indeed help the condi build unfortunately

What you can take from this post-

Nonviable mesmer stuff got buffed.

Nonviable buffed mesmer stuff still nonviable.

Yes, this is unfortunate

XD

P.S. Nothing was buffed that the meta condi chrono build uses. How this was missed by this mesmer is astounding. We mesmers know otherwise.

~Posturing like a boss.

Read the rest of the patch notes and you’ll see what i’m talking about. Was the build directly buffed no, but it was indirectly buffed.

“Indirectly buffed” You keep using that phrase. I don’t think you fully understand what it means though.

Just because other classes had their sustain toned down isn’t a buff to mesmers, not even indirectly. That is just class balancing. Making them easier to kill period is not a buff to mesmers, it just isn’t. All it does is bring them more in line with other classes.

So the build which was God tier last meta didn’t get nerfed but ALL the builds it faces/has problems with did…..and you claim it wasn’t indirectly buffed.

The defense rests.

Great, so you concede that S3 Condi Chrono build wasn’t buffed, and your statement was factually wrong. Glad we cleared that up.

Ooo facts, let’s go over some. Meta Condi Chrono was hard countered by both condi berserker and power berserker, and still is now. Meta Condi chrono has zero boon removal and can’t do anything to high resistant uptime. Condi chrono relies HEAVILY on blocks, and fails completely to unblockables. Condi chrono is susceptible to range pressure, has poor kiting ability, and zero stealth for target drop. Meta condi chrono has a single stun break, and zero stability, making it susceptible to CC/interrupt/lockdown. Meta condi chrono isnt weak by any stretch, and can have other lesser troubles not mentioned here (heavy direct aoe pressure killing clones for example), but if you don’t know how to take down a condi chrono, and thinks its super OP, it’s 100% a learn to play issue on your part.

Here’s how a typical fight goes against a meta condi chrono when you A: know what you’re doing, and B: come prepared (pro tip: note the unblockables shutting down all his “OP” defences, and his inability to escape heavy ranged pressure)
https://youtu.be/_78YhAAcs6w?t=111

~Much <3 4 Azukas.

PS: If anything the balancing of other classes will allow for the entry of more classes/builds to deal with things like meta condi chrono. This is a good thing.

Indirect is something you should look up.

Also please don’t post videos of non meta builds claiming counter. A condi Mesmer can hold out long enough vs a condi warrior for help to arrive or just out maneuver him.

Please use real examples next time

Are you suggesting bringing a “meta” build to a fight that isnt capable of doing the job?

I don’t think you realize how playing to win works.

You claim Meta Condi Chrono is “God tier”. I prove Meta Condi Chrono is HARD counterable (meaning utterly defeatable). You ignore/evade the argument as always.

FYI, in conquest, pushing the meta condi chrono off point for the decap is a victory for the fight. Of course the chrono can “avoid” (staff kite, f4 distortion). He looses the point regardless.

Any argument that “help can arrive” aka “Meta condi chrono saved by rotations” is at best a weak argument because A: That means his team is weaker on the other two points, and B: the other team can simply rotate to make it an even 2v2.

Please, continue with your “God tier” argument. I’d like to hear more

~Still a L2P issue.

I got the entire ESL pro league on my side bruh. You got yourself running a non meta warrior who you built to counter 1 specific build.

So can you tell me which team ran a power warrior in the finals? Can you tell me which teams ran condi mesmers ^^

Again come at me when you have legitimate examples and facts instead of “Look what I did in Hot Join bruh!”

Actually you’re wrong and misinformed as usual Azukas citing who you believe to know better but without understanding what they say or do for yourself.

In the pro league finals didn’t you think it was weird that TCG condi warrior ran the non condition damage greatsword?

Helseth explained the reasoning behind this afterwards on his stream (can’t link as you need to sub to see vods now) and that was that it allowed the warrior to win match ups it usually wouldn’t and they knew what the likely team comp of Rank 55 was.

Just to explain the point clearly: You adjust your builds to counter what you’re fighting. In Ross’ examples power warrior is alright against things that do not apply tons of poison and/or blinds which put him at a favourable match up vs mesmer, ele, druid and can do alright vs engy and rev. This is mostly due to CI and adrenal healing with HS giving 1k/s regen and blinds/blocks (note you can proc off pets) would shut it down hard.

Highlighted everything that mattered. Again come at me when you see a power warrior in the finals.

The claim was “Power AND condi berserker hard counter meta condi chrono”. So yeah, thanks for affirming you have no basis for an argument once again

You say: God Tier, needs a nerf. Got buffs this balance patch!!!! <- XD

People who know say: Solid build, strong, looking good all things considered. Not immortal, has weaknesses, and is counterable (both downable and able to be forced off point).

Reasonable people know: Hmm, if a supposedly God Tier class/build can get absolutely rekt by a “trash” non-meta build, maybe its not so God Tier afterall…

Anyway, this debate is pretty thoroughly defeated at this point. GG. See you next balance change I guess, Azukas.

You linked a power warrior build and I told you to gtfo with that power bullkitten. It’s not meta and tcg ran a condi warrior with a GS…..aka still condi

The condi mesmer isn’t going to get wtfpwnedonpoint in 0.02 seconds and a skilled player can hold out for help from a rotation if they are outmatched.

I honestly believe you need to stop posting and realize you’re just flat out wrong.

It’s ok, beliefs can be wrong.

I’ve actually demonstrated why your statements are factually inaccurate. So bag on me all you like, it’s the facts you’re stumbling over.

Don’t worry. There’s always a little downtime after an overpowered build and skillset gets nerfed where the players have to upskill again since they got lazy from being carried by sheer mechanics/numbers.

I’m sure they’ll get back to giving you a challenge eventually. That or just reroll because it’s easier :)

People would just use Mirror images and not decoy.

Why? We have great access to CC (which is all that taunt is). If anything people might just take both XD

So sure, make the change.

skcamow.3527:

Hard to see something like this not being better than if ran with inspiration. Sure you have three condition management sources but it just seems the SoI clutch survivability is just too good.

Only the difference the boon stripping can make is detrimental to the other team (takes the hard counter of the war and flips the table, for example). So if you can pull it off without inspiration then it’s worth it.

Shield will still win out over torch, especially for point holder.

kilim.5093:

And for pve (even for WvW) that Pack amulet doesn’t seem that great too.
What do you suggest me to replace it with?

I take it you’re running core mesmer (and not Chrono) on a free account?

You’d be best starting a thread in this sub forum and asking the PvE gods for the best build. Best I can tell you, for general map completion/running around, take a sword/focus + Greatsword, full zerkers, and cluster everything up (with focus pull) and burst down. You can insta kill general mobs. Otherwise you use your phantasms for their AoE dps.

If you have HoT, there’s PvE chrono builds with more AoE to deal with mobs. Scepter/torch is NOT considered a good set for PvE. As for trait lines, I have no idea. Though if you run domination you’d take the extra damage from phantasms, the GS trait for more GS spam, and… yeah take your pick of the master line XD

Oh and pack amulet is really good for a power vanila mesmer. It grants fury to make sure your shatter bursts hit hard, and swiftness to keep you running around (core mesmer has swiftness issues). The extra stack of might doesnt hurt, and the boons are shared so that’s a bonus. The stats are also great offensively compared to many other amulets.

SO, vanilla or chrono? PvE or WvW (yes it matters), and also PvP if that’s your thing? Then summon the right gods to grant you favorable builds (I don’t PvE, I’m a long time out of the WvW game, and only PvP now)

nicknamenick.2437:

dominik.9721:

@Nickname it is perma resistance you can apply it over 4 minutes with new amulet. Just use healing signet and zerker stance at the same time, signet again and zerker stance is rdy again

ah didnt played sinces 3-4months now.. but yeah with that new amulet you should have longer boon duration (it will cost you offensive stats also) but meh ok could be good vs condi.. OP? maby vs some condi players but thats what it does i guess..
if you go for the new amulet + runes etc you could say the same about other classes having perma protection or perma fury/might or whatever.

Yes, eles could take the ammy, leadership, and spam their protection etc

Aaaand that other vid

https://youtu.be/P1m-CgcJvbk

If you could make a half decent hybrid build with your boon stacking, then you might be able to make some serious bank.

Oh and if you wonder why I’m firing into shield blocks, its because I took doly sig instead of might XD. Could not figure out why they kept reflecting. Lag? A new bug? Nope…

sephiroth.4217:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Why did you pick Lyssa rune instead of Leadership?

Leadership is 30% boon duration on it’s own.

Honestly, if you’re going to min/max and talk broken, you might aswell do it properly.

Ross Biddle.2367:

So I ran the setup (recorded it too)

It lacks damage. And I need that damage to put things like thieves on the ground immediately.

So yeah, great boon uptime, but not OP.

Will post the vid when I get to it.

Honestly went Lyssa for condition removal to make up the loss from Cleansing Ire but the damage does lack a little, I’ve been experimenting on getting that higher since I posted by using Hoelbrak runes.

Still dusting off the Warrior but this thread was mostly aimed at the duration of resistance and quickness that an unskilled player like myself could achieve, I’m sure Warrior mains could do a lot better and I am definitely going to try Leadership runes now thanks

Leadership does team-wide convert 2 boons on elite use, kitten cd. That said, you can avoid heavy condi pressure without cleansing ire by taking a range weapon for kiting, and properly using your resistance (not talking max boon duration either, but timely use XD )

Here’s the boon duration vid. Crit rate is pretty low for a power build, and even when it crit it didnt feel like it hit hard enough. Especially against those thieves who I needed to go down easier than not.

https://youtu.be/f08wDIdB0-g

I’m uploading the match I did straight after to show you the comparison.

So I ran the setup (recorded it too)

It lacks damage. And I need that damage to put things like thieves on the ground immediately.

So yeah, great boon uptime, but not OP.

Will post the vid when I get to it.

Why did you pick Lyssa rune instead of Leadership?

Leadership is 30% boon duration on it’s own.

Honestly, if you’re going to min/max and talk broken, you might aswell do it properly.

Jana.6831:

RyuDragnier.9476:

Dahkeus.8243:

Eh, it’s no big deal. I guess now you may have to pay attention when stealthing instead of just spamming backstab.

This.

Question is: Why do thieves have to spam backstab/why could they spam backstab before? The moment you can answer this will be the moment you do realize this was an unjustified nerf.

Because players are lazy and lack skill/timing therefor spamming without repercussion is easier for maximum profit?

Or something I guess.

Anyway, if you didnt see it, this related thread popped up on the mesmer forum. Instant classic

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/1s-ICD-for-Stealth-attacks/first

Looks good. Just got to wait and see what the meta spits out of the other classes to see how this will fare.