Guild Wars 2

I just talk about the trait xd. Glad to know is fixed.

Oh, ok. I asked cause I was testing dps builds on the invulnerable golem on the mists: AA plus smite was awsome. Thank you.

I meant giving up reflects for a little more if dps. So yes, and full mantras on your bar

Did Anet fix it? I recall someone tested it and it was bugged. Actually decrease by 5%.

Noob question: against single targets, is scepter the higher dps weapon?

I wouls say pure dps. 30/30/0/0/10 or 10/30/0/0/30. But you shoud stay with #1 builds

After being leveling a warrior… I starting to see it like colesy. the main problem is that swordsman dies too easily whereas you can mantain well positioned duelist all fight long. I will probably try 10/20/0/10/20. I tried but I cannot run with mantras

oh i also leveled an engi. i had great hopes but again dps is low.

Many thanks pal. I will look for those gloves now that I am focusing in cosmetics and so. unfortunatly i am on EU :’(

Mind to post a picture? Two bolts, thats my goal!

exotic weapon? Even if you have an ascended one?

Centaurs.

15chars

I only PUG… So a guardian?

I only PUG… So a guardian?

So if I want to make a toon just for dungeonsn runs, which class do you recommend?

I am very happy with my just leveled Engi, but I got to fight Imbued Shaman.

I’m running a typical nade build (30/10/0/20/10) so no issues staying alive, but man, to target the nades… that was a nightmare.

Do you change and take a rifle or is a matter of time until I do it right?

Anicetus.1253:

Mesmers dps without phantasms is the by far lowest in the game.
When you have 3 swordsmen up your dps is going to be very high (relying on team buffs still) but in what fight does that happen? Normal boss fights take less than a minute, so assuming you can get 3 phantasms up you’ll only deal good damage in the last seconds. And once your target has aoe abilities your phantasms will die after or even before their first attack. In realistic fights you’ll deal about half the damage of a necro.

To sum it up: using a mesmer in dungeons where you don’t need their utility is a bad idea.

So the question is how many dungeons are where you don’t need their utility.

PVE-Wise, how is Mesmer DPS* compared to other classes?

Many thanks

*Without taking in account the reflects.

Azathoth.2098:

Azathoth.2098:

Ether Bolt:
Shoot out a bolt of energy that explodes on impact and hits multiple foes.
Critical hits causes one stack of Bleeding.
(no chain-skills)

Omg. This. This so much.

Now that evrryone agrees on mesmers being pottentially a high dps class, and mantras being buffed, I will try droping traited focus ( still using as a projectile blocker plus feedback) in order to achive max dps at all times.
10/30/0/10/20 or 20/30/0/0/20

yeah yeah blasphemy, I know

Also it replace m.y phantasm. I hate it.
Just give me a decent autoattack ( like guardian scepter) and I will be happy.

Xaylin.1860:

Ryn.6459:

Xaylin.1860:

Ryn.6459:

Anet,
Is it possible to exchange positions of “shattered conditions” and “phantasmal haste”? I do think that both traits are in wrong trees.

I do agree on Phantasmal Haste. It doesn’t make any sense. Shattered Conditions is okay where it is. All supportive shatters are placed in Inspiration which offers shatter builds some diversity.

Actually there is no any supportive shatter in Inspiration. Also I don’t heard of any shatter build that runs with 30 on Inspiration.
For the typical shtatter with 30 on Illusions, shattered conditions will compete with Illusionary Invigoration (also a defensive trait).

How is Vigorous Revelation not a supportive shatter? It already is quite powerful and will become even more interesting when the Vigor nerf is through.

Right now, Inspiration is so unappealing for shatter Mesmers due to two reasons: 1. Most shatter Mesmers just want to go BOOM and deal damage. 2. There is no appealing shatter trait on the Master level and the Grandmaster traits are just lackluster when compared to IP or ID. The first issue will never be fixed. The second issue could be fixed if Malicious Sorcery was reworked to be more meaningful and Shattered Conditions was improved which actually is going to happen.

The Shattered Conditions buff is HUGE. With Mindwrack alone you will have 3 condition cleanses in a 600 radius. Every 10-15s. This is unarguably better than Nullfield. And maybe one of the best condition cleanses ingame. You could even bump it up to 4 conditions with IP. Or you could go for Shattered Concentration instead.

Since IC moved down to 15 you will be able to play a pretty strong supportive shatter build which does not even need any utility slot for removing conditions. Go 20/x/x/30/15 and put the remaining points where you please. Nice boon stripping, great group condition removal, high up time on group Vigor. For the cost of some damage (IP) or CC (ID). Or you could go for 10/0/0/30/30 if you don’t care for the boon stripping. And yes, you won’t have DE. You will have to use a Scepter.

Shatter Mesmers just need to get their head out of their butterfly and stop whining about the Inspiration minors. As if the Domination or Duelling minors were that great for shatter builds. The only totally undesirable minor is Phantasmal Strength but now that IC got switched there actually are no super exciting grandmaster minors left anyway.

Your are completly right. Thank you for sharing.

spoj.9672:

It varies but ranger, engi and necro are pretty much never picked.

Why? Spotter is pretty huge (also frost spirit). And Engi goes for helping to achive 25 stacks of vulnerability on bosses.

Anicetus.1253:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

But for any other dungeon or a team with any additional projectile defense it’s just throwing away dps.

Well, that’s where EU and NA tactics (HC aside) usually differ. You have two guardians in your fotm team, we have none, you run mesmers + guardians in normal dungeons we use either guardian or rarely mesmer.

Mind to post typical party composition?
Warrior, Ranger, Engi, Guardian and Ele, maybe?

Xaylin.1860:

Ryn.6459:

Anet,
Is it possible to exchange positions of “shattered conditions” and “phantasmal haste”? I do think that both traits are in wrong trees.

I do agree on Phantasmal Haste. It doesn’t make any sense. Shattered Conditions is okay where it is. All supportive shatters are placed in Inspiration which offers shatter builds some diversity.

Actually there is no any supportive shatter in Inspiration. Also I don’t heard of any shatter build that runs with 30 on Inspiration.
For the typical shtatter with 30 on Illusions, shattered conditions will compete with Illusionary Invigoration (also a defensive trait).

Anet,
Is it possible to exchange positions of “shattered conditions” and “phantasmal haste”? I do think that both traits are in wrong trees.
Also, I’m very happy with IC partial unnerf, but I still think that it makes more sense as an adept trait, so it can be used by both shatters and phantasms builds (hence it gives more build diversity not the contrary).

Finally, I have a question. The fact that iswordsman is not affected by phantasmal haste… is it intended or is it a bug?

Thank you very much.

What I don’t like is that swordsman tends to die quite easily, so IC is needed, but not “phantasmal haste”. On the other hand, duelist when summoned properly tends to live for the whole fight, so no IC, but we need “phantasmal haste” in order to maximize damage.

Also I don’t understand why “shattered conditions” is in inspiration and “phantasmal haste” in illusions.

Overall, it makes more sense to have IC at 5 points in illusions so can be used in both shatter and phantasm builds. And exchange positions of “shattered conditions” and “phantasmal haste”. And no, I don’t think that IC at 5 points makes mesmers overpowered or that limit build diversity (on the contrary actually).

Nice write up OP, by the way. Focus is not just for reflections.

Nike in guru warrior forum tested it. Surprisingly they do stack.

Can we get a cleave on axe autoattack please?

I’m pretty new on Engi class. Keeping that in mind, I would say that main problem is that we use utility slots as weapons slots. So, each trait that improves utilities or weapons is a lackluster trait. So, I would say that what we need is traits that improve our utilities at the same time that improves our weapons. For instance: Accelerant-Packed turrets: also gives damage bonus for each turret.

Also most of our Gadgets should be improved. If weapons improving traits are merged with traits that improves utilities there is room for new gadgets traits.

Any chance that they remove clone generation from scepter autoattack? As a phantasm mesmer that is the issue that troubles me the most. Ideally they should also remove wierd thing that first attack needs to be finished in order to fire the second one. they can add some condition application on the chain, so scepter can stay as a weapon for both power and conditions mesmers.

Sorry for my English

I agree that Anet does horrible job when trying to increase build diversity. And Not agree with some of your claims on tools tho.

imaginary.6241:

So what “amount of damage modificators we will be able to get” are you seeing?

2% per Condition, situation based if you’re investing 30 Points into Firearms?

That has been there for eternity and is still only usefull for a Rifle/SD-Build due to the high Powerscaling of Rifle, faulty SD-Targetsystem and you not able to invest any Points in the Explosive Traitline for other Kits like Grenade or Bombkit as it ’s a Grand Master Trait.

So that ’s either up to 300 Power and Explosive Modifiers missing or up to 30% Flat Critdamage, Toolkit-Recharge and a 10% Flat Damage-Modifier from 25 in Tools missing.

So what Damage INCREASE are you seeing here? Not to forget Condition Builds have to invest now 20 Points in Explosives to get the Burning from Incendiary Powder.

First sorry for my English.
What I meant (remember, PVE wise so with a grenadier build in mind) is that you really don’t have any reasons to go in tools. Enduring damage is pretty situational, and scope means that you need to fight at range, also not good. If changes are true, now we have reasons to go deep into firearms. That means traits that we were not using before like “target the weak”, “target the maimed” and now “modf ammunition”. Also as damage modifiers are multiplicative probably I will take “explosive powder” instead of “short fuse”. If you add now a sigil of force, sigil of strenght and scholar runes…

30/30/0/x/x are gonig to be the new dungeon meta. You still will get permavigor if you like (maybe in here runes of traveler will be the best option), or permaswiftness occ. But maybe your are right and if I do proper numbers all of this is not a buff DPS wise.

I actually like the idea of getting stability while charging mantras. Dont think will be OP. you maybe able to be permastable but you will be channeling so…

PVE wise: the amount of damage modificators we will be able to get… sounds pretty epic to me. The tradeoff is gonna be swiftness occ or permavigor. I think there are enough runes and sigils to overcome this.
To me, we are goning to get our dps buffed. I hope that is not Anet way to fix kits not getting buffed with ascendedbweapons tho.

@Marsuew.8216: boon duration. But you are right, even if we stay with grenades I think max DPS build is 30/30/0/0/10.

On guardian forum, that’s why I didn’t find it.

So, I’m really interested in knowing if Blood gave his build to GK in order to crush the numbers. Nevertheless, I still think that Engi will fall behind just for the ascended weapons on kits issue.

That’s what GK said on above link (looks like toolbelt skills are not on the rotation):

Then he moved Ele to first position, but from Engi point of view that’s irrelevant.

EDIT: Probably Engi being in the last postion is due that all DPS can be achived at range, so DPS uptime is higer than any other class.

I found this one
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/84182-dps-rankings/

But I remember another list where ele was doing like 15K and mesmer like 14K. I can’t find it.

Anyway, you are right, more if we take into account that grenade kit doesn’t benefit from having ascended weapons.

Correct me if I’m wrong again, but Engi dps is at the same level than most classes but you need to count the damage that comes from conditions.

spoj.9672:

Engineer is 2nd to last because the only thing they are genuinely good at is stacking aoe vuln. But they have pretty low dps compared to other classes so they get dropped down quite far.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s true only if your party has all the buffs. In a pug party is more than possible not to be the case.

Actually I’m leveling an Engi because I always pugging and never ever see 25 stacks of anything.

Sorry for my English.

Yes.Thing is that you should use some tool belt skills on cooldown, right? So I don’t see the point in taking speedy kits instead of static discharge (at least in combat). Is going to be a net damage increase over time, even being buggy.

DesertRose.2031:

(…)
valid Tools choices are Scope, Static Discharge (with certain utility skills), Power Wrench (if you use the Tool Kit) and/or Speedy Gadgets (if you use Gadgets).

(…)

If you use Static Discharge you want to use Tool Kit and Rifle Turret to make use of the trait as often as possible.

Desert, what’s wrong with static discharge? You are the first one I see claiming is valid option for a grenadier build.

I just got kicked at the very end of a fractal run. So, ANet:

-Please, could you change the vote system? At least 3 of 5 should agree.
-Please, could you somehow inform that you are being voted, so you can discuss what is going on?
-Please, could you put a delay time so you can take some screenshots in order to report if needed?
-Please, could you limit the number of times someone can propose for kicking?

Kicking someone should be a serious issue, it should not be so easy to do.

Desert, I’m leveling a engi so haven’t tested: do you really need givers weapons to get 25 stacks of vulnerability? Thinking in taking steel-packed powder and precise sights enough.

Good, now add mesmer damage and remove your irony. Ty very much.

Carighan,

Sorry, I try to.

Xyono, did you crunch (I didn’t) the numbers?

“15%phatasm dmg” is better than “100 points in precision and 10%crit damage and empowering mantras (let’s say 8% for two mantras)”.

I know that empowering mantras won’t benefit your phantasm, but precision and crit damge will.

Never bothered trying (I’m waiting til 15th patch where mantras gonna be buffed), but, if your really want GS and sw/focus, what about a 20/30/0/20/0?

What if you devolop where or why you find it OP?

Answer.

Chaos, what do you by" vuln makes your conditions more deadly"? As a cleaning cover efect or something like that¿