The newness will wear off and should effect most servers equally, the servers that can keep a good force in regular wvw will have a good chance to push rating.
also is it really that bad to get people who care little to nothing about PPT off maps that effect PPT?
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First:This isn’t a flame post or troll post.
When we watch sporting events or have any competition the idea is to have a somewhat level playing field. GW2 totally fails this test. Some servers are outnumbered by entire whole digits 2+times. Regularly 4 or 5 times.
So when you are on top of the charts know full well that it is completely meaningless…….and I can hear it now…“the top pop servers are balanced”…really? try fighting a low pop server with even numbers…They fighting much tougher fights than yourself probably will crush the “top” server. Top…ya right that is a good one!
There is no attempt at all to balance this problem.
The solutions are easy and I personally could implement the coding change in a weeks time. (I’m giving myself 39 hours padding!)
Given this problem is so easy to fix yet isn’t makes a person wonder what the problem could be.
insulting the skill level of players who happen to be on servers that have better coverage thru out the day then your server does nothing to further the conversation on what can be done about helping servers with a coverage gap compete in wvw in such a way to make the game nor enjoyable and if anything makes people dismiss your post completely.
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Well it should be done the other way really, make a road guard scale to super hard mode when more then 20 people attack him. The whole equal reward thing is based of the fact that stuff scales. So make it scale and just not worth the effort for large groups to take small objectives.
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does the word deserve now mean “have the most coverage”
yes it does, if that’s the way the game needs to be played and that’s what BG did.
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And you all spent so much time complaining about how easy a schedule Jade Quarry got.
they did, JQ should have received as much as a stomping from BG as SoR did. Egos can only take so much of a bruising.
Yet, somehow, BG still won.
yes and they deserve it, my point was they should have had JQ and BG meet up as many times as BG and SoR did. Spread the pain around a bit more.
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And you all spent so much time complaining about how easy a schedule Jade Quarry got.
they did, JQ should have received as much as a stomping from BG as SoR did. Egos can only take so much of a bruising.
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Thieves by themselves are annoying, its when you have a small group of them or whole fricking guilds of them that they become dangerous.
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My question is who congratulates themselves..
Americans don’t like the word “entitlement”/“self-entitlement”, do they?
no, but we sure love to hand them out.
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Traveler ruins, speed ruins, class with speed trinket, plenty of mobility out there.
anyways like it was said, find a group of people to run with and it makes a world of difference.
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Can there ever be a civilized thread about Blackgate… Congrats Blackgate, congrats FA, and congrats Henge of Denravi.
haters gonna hate,
everyone hates on BG but none have been able to beat it, so far.
It’s not BG’s fault you do not have the coverage to keep the good fights going long enough to overcome us.
Congratulations to all Blackgatians
you prepared for it, you fought for it, you managed your coverage to defend it all, you fought your opposition to the last man standing, you never ran from a fight.
You earned your win, let’s enjoy it.
Grats to BG on winning gold league.
that said, if you think BG never ran from a fight then I need to start recording wvw.
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Only if they where utilities slot abilities that you had to actively choose to slot and not just “in edition too” abilities. Or for high cooldowns it could be a elite skill and use your elite slot. Of course they would be wve only and unslottable in pve for balance reasons.
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Merging servers would make the game unplayable during NA prime time. BG won the league with having a strong presence outside of primetime NA. I don’t know about the lower tier servers but all gold league servers can field full maps during NA prime.
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Umm this is like asking why you can’t target people in stealth or why attacks go on cool down when the target is immune/blocking. Its part of the classes defense. That simple.
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For the first time in a ling time I had the outmanned buff during NA primetime (SoR). Having outmanned at 1030 EST should be enough of a sign that SoR is in a predicament at the moment. I have a feeling TC is going to move up to tier 1 soon.
Nope. We still outnumber TC by a lot as proved in our previous match. Don’t let the scores this week fool you – that’s all JQ’s doing. (Mind you TC is fighting hard to keep their lead, so they deserve it.)
when we fight any match up that is Jq/bg + TC we will be the punching bags. This alone will push us down a tier and we will flip flop with TC. You can see it this week. I have on more then one occasion seen JQ and TC bypass each other to go for us. Maybe it has to do with the leagues or forum warriors or some other reason but SoR has done very little to make friends amongst other servers.
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But BG was winning before ZDS got there…
yes they did, but adding a guild that could take things with out resistance just cemented it. BG earned first no doubt and grats to them. Yet at the same time having leagues reinforce the glaring issues with coverage wars all we are getting is fairweather people leaving wvw in droves and I beleave you will see even more stacking post season and definitely if we have another season with out a radical change to the way scoring works.
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For the first time in a ling time I had the outmanned buff during NA primetime (SoR). Having outmanned at 1030 EST should be enough of a sign that SoR is in a predicament at the moment. I have a feeling TC is going to move up to tier 1 soon.
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Facepalm
40% off of Guild Wars 2 at the moment (Will definitely go up to at least 60% off later), and advertisements like this popping up left and right. I think that tells us what the population of Guild Wars 2 is like.
My goodness, that was hard to watch though.
I think you have a good point but your looking at it wrong. This most likely means they have a solid game base and have money. Advertising is not cheap. The production cost on this must have been pretty steep and a game that has a weak player base or poor income doesn’t front the cost for stuff like this.
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Being on SoR, I have seen less and less of the normal groups of people that I see in wvw on a nightly bases. If we keep on course we will be 4th in the league and a solid teir 2 server. Now if we hang in tier 2 depends on how we get hit by fair weather transfers to and from SoR. My gut tells me JQ and BG are going to see a large influx of players thou.
meh o well at least I don’t have to sit in que.
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is it q beta weekend? Because at the rate we are going we may come in 4th place over all.
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Hybrids are actually quite nice, you just gotta find the right balance to make every stat, skill and trait be useful.
I run this condi/damage build atm
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNAW7flwzipXUTkGb9IipHBHyBcnUAdSXJF62FC-jEDB4MCyk0w0HBKBqIaslRFRjVvATdKpqUwqXA6YQWdA+ELrWKgnmDA-w
It has a lot of flexibility in weapon choices due to the 0/20/30/20/0 layout.
And being able to apply decent condi damage on top of decent direct damage can put a lot of pressure on the enemy.
This is what i am aiming for in the next few weeks
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgUQNAW7flwzipXUTkGb9IipHBHyBcnUAdSXJF62FC-j0BBYMCyk0wUIBK5rIaslhFRjVVjIqWlETKgnmDA-w
Even in this build there are a lot of things that are optional, like the weapons, runes, food, sigils, most of the traits, can all be filled in to what flavour you want.
And about Aoe, i think all mesmers are quite vulnerable to aoe pressure since so much of our offense and defense is in clones and phantasms which die in aoe very fast. It’s not just a problem for the scepter.
As for the OP.
I do seem to like your current build more than the one you want to get in the future.
The planned one seems quite fragile to me, but that may be just my own preference since i like to run sturdy builds that can survive a storm when a zerg passes by
Taldren and I play on SoR, no amount of tankyness survives teir 1 zergs.
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It could be a 48 hour match, starting Friday at reset and ending Sunday. Most servers can field more on weekends.
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This thread is going to get locked im sure. Let me point out that your server is winning the bronze league and people are giving feed back, not always constructive feedback but feedback non the less, when people stop posting that’s when you have a real problem.
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SoR wont fall to t2, unless more guilds jump ship. Look what they are doing against TC, and TC out coverages SoS and Mag. It would be interesting to see where FA places, are they equal with SoS and Mag? Or are they equal with TC?
In any case, I think BG is Teir 0.5 just due to not having any real coverage gaps, and I think JQ and SoR are still Teir 1.
I personally cant wait for leagues to end, and the RNG to come back with ratings to see how top silver matches with bottom gold.
it depends on how much of an appeal ESO has to exdaoc players, SoR has more then its fair share of those (me included but I’m not interested in it).
I won’t be going anywhere, I still like this game and eotm and recent class changes are something in looking forwards too.
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Hello Samhayn,
It would be bad if SOR dropped to T2. Do take a look at the scores. A lot of the hardcore wvwers are bored, especially the SEA folks.
That said, even if SOR is still in T1 or T2, I wouldn’t mind because as I told the folks in the WvW Committee and in general, most of us are here because we have fun with the community win or lose. I am not saying that the SOR WvW community is better, in fact from the folks who went BG and back to SOR, I had reports that BG has a vibrant community too. I am pretty sure that all T1 WvW have a lot of fun folks, it’s just that our strategic aims are remarkably different.
And to Zikory, to put it simply we are taking the weight of the wvw direction off a few persons/guilds because it’s simply too much. If that is called reorganizing then so be it.
FW
One can only hope that we (SoR) slip down to tier 2. I was happy there. We played for the fights, talked less trash and just had fun.
even if we don’t slip down I hope we can just not worry about trying to “win” tier 1. Just play the game and fraps all the times the zerg runs from you.
I think you miss understood me. Someone mentioned that a tri realm pvp game is coming out that will take players away. If that happens then I would like to go back to tier 2. As it stands right now us being in tier 2 would.not work out well because we would just be the black gate of tier 2. Not something I like. Vastly out numbering or being vastly out numbered either way not my idea of fun.
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One can only hope that we (SoR) slip down to tier 2. I was happy there. We played for the fights, talked less trash and just had fun.
even if we don’t slip down I hope we can just not worry about trying to “win” tier 1. Just play the game and fraps all the times the zerg runs from you.
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We ran around today and killed people and it was good.
I have been doing that on my mesmer all week (think I’m level 18 now?).
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Don’t make a second season until the way scoring is done makes it a little more balanced across all servers.
maybe if they do that us teir 1 servers wont have to recruit from every other server to fill coverage gaps. It won’t fix populations but then if people choose to move it won’t be because the big mean servers took/bribed/bought them.
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We also have lives…. but we are just better at everything we do
things like, living with parents, talking kitten on the interwebs, recruiting to your server, running from open field fights.
man that was to easy. I almost feel bad.
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The points system in WvW seriously needs overhauling. I find it ludicrous that the victor is usually determined by how much coverage a server has during off-peak hours (aka nightcapping). It’s pretty demoralizing when your server is on top during peak hours and holding several T3 keeps only to get home from work the next day to find that all the progress the server made was lost overnight or during working hours simply because they had more players online during that coverage gap. No wonder people play dead, because quite honestly, their contributions mean next to nothing unless they’re willing to play overtime. Basically, which ever server has more Oceanic players will normally win since WvW is won during off-peak hours.
Example: JQ had a lead of up to 4-5k over the weekend and quickly lost that lead once the weekend was over simply because BG had more players to fill in coverage gaps than JQ did.
so basically what you’re saying is that the war effort needs to stop because you need to go to bed, ridiculous even in real wars when the day shift soldiers need to sleep the night time soldiers guard their backs so the enemy doesn’t kill them in their sleep or wipe them out in a surprise attack during the night.
the same principle applies to WvW seeing that it is a 24/7 permanent war going on.
simply conquering territory is not enough ! conquered territory needs to be defended, to defend said territory you need coverage, peak and off peak.
This crying about losing a T3 tower or keep during off peak hours screams of poor coverage, it is not the other server’s fault you are ill prepared and do not have the coverage to defend your conquered territory.
war is not just about killing, it is about supply lines, comm lines aka TS, and back end things that need to be taken care of even before you start killing the enemy like logistics aka coverage
Real war has a lot in common with WvW.
- there are no rules in war.
- the better equipped and better prepared will prevail.
- no mercy for your enemy.
- the enemy of my enemy might be my friend, at least temporarily while our common interests are aligned.
every server knew WAR aka season 1 was coming
How each server used the time before season 1 to prepare and plan their war effort is very important.
some wars are won even before the 1st shot was ever fired
what is happening now is a reflection of the preparation plans of each individual server before the season started.
real soldiers get a pay check and feed and housed. This is a video game. I don’t play for PPT never have. I can still see how if you are a ppt player it can be frustrating to put effort into something that in the end is meaningless. A couple little gaps in your servers coverage and you fall so far behind in points that you can’t make it up during fairly balanced play times.
I’m not going to take away from blackgates win. The game is coverage and they played it better. I don’t know how you found people to play against no one but you did. I played on a server where the other servers didn’t field people during my play time. It was boring to fight no one so I moved.
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Well at least we can say leagues have cemented the glaring flaws in the current wvw scoring systems. Maybe this is what was needed for Anet to get the info they need to proceed with making something better.
in the mean time I will be waiting for edge of the mist and when it comes out I will spend my time there and let someone who cares more for PPT take my spot in the borderlands.
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The best part is the only thing that makes ele and necro viable in this meta is the stability from guardian.
the only class that is on this list that is self sustainable would be the warrior.
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I like fighting for bloodlust, you get the same amount of points for a stomp if you have one or all three of the buffs. If you don’t like doing it then don’t. Much like I prefer not to zerg so I really don’t.
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All I do is wvw, just play, not karma trains and I have well over a million karma. I don’t even know what to do with it. Just kinda there.
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Don’t you guys realize it’s just going to be queued like every other map? That is unless they plan to add overflows which I can’t imagine happening until the beta map is tested thoroughly.
well hopefully this will help a bit by opening spots on the map. Yet one has to wonder if guilds that like gvg will now start stack servers that are matched frequently so the can fight more often.
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I would like interaction from the get go if the topic we want to discuss is even something that will truly become a priority. I feel the last discussion was not a very good use of time since I don’t beleave its something the dev team is ready to work on.
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Grats to SoR for what appears to be their first win of Season 1
winning wvw is easy, get as many people as you can to play on NA servers well the majority of NA is either in bed or at work/school.
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I thought this was “level your alt” week in wvw. Should have sent a memo.
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No I mean hybrid, chaos v, dueling 15, torch 4, torment sigil, with a mix of zerker and rampager I have 50% crit, 51% crit damage, 2135 power and 530 condition damage.
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Ok so I have played thief and necro in wvw roaming. Thief is not really for me and I love my necro but he folds under focus fire due to lack of escape mechanics, ran a hybrid 30/25/0/0/15 high damage low defense build. Seemed to me Mesmer is the in between of the two.
for roaming I settles on the 20/20/30/0/0(hybrid build). I like GS/sword torch for weapons. My question is with the consistent endurance regen for dodge, the ability to stealth and always having clones out how much defense do I really want to stack? Should the 300 tough from spec be good or do I want gear with tough on it? I’m leaning towards not doing it since the class has good ways to avoid damage just wondering what more experienced mesmers have found.
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the real problem with stealth is not stealth itself. It is how much the game has tied thief defense to stealth. I honestly don’t think you would see half as much complaining if the trait that healed well stealthed got removed. I honestly think that’s the biggest complaint I hear is the ability to reset the fight and comeback with full health over and over again.
I agree that the trait is excessive in combination with permastealth, but after the nerf I see it as one of the things that enables thieves to still compete against some classes, it’s the sustain they need. Shadow refuge is the biggest offender of resetting fights, and personally I think the duration of the stealth and as such the heal it provides is too much. I wouldn’t mind if they nerfed the duration greatly (to about 5 seconds stealth), but in turn reduce the cooldown and remove the revealed when you get knocked out. After that, removing the healing in stealth trait would cause thieves to simply not be able to keep up with other classes anymore, so I think it needs to stay. Or the other option would be to rework the class entirely.
they could always rework it to give a random defensive boon when entering stealth (aegis, regen, protection) still a good trait but does not fully cover up the weakness of having a small hp pool which is exactly what the trait does atm, cover up your greatest weakness.
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If the two players are on-par skillwise, the thief is almost always at a disadvantage.
Correct.
The thing is, it is rare to find good players on the same skill level.
Everyone complaining about stealth just did not learn how to counter ir or adapt.
Bottom of the barrel is complaining about thieves all over the forums and they are being heard. (the d/p nerf is justified and well deserved, though.)
Condi stealth mesmer, condi engi, necro + retal guard or condi war/ hammer war are just horrendously OP compared to any thief. Yet those classes still complain because they are horrible players who dont know how to play their classes and are calling for nerfs – the easy way out.
please don’t play this game, pleanty of posts about Condi necro and hammer warriors on this forum.
the real problem with stealth is not stealth itself. It is how much the game has tied thief defense to stealth. I honestly don’t think you would see half as much complaining if the trait that healed well stealthed got removed. I honestly think that’s the biggest complaint I hear is the ability to reset the fight and comeback with full health over and over again.
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Necro is a great class with a few glaring issues. Well I love playing my necro but have shelved him for a mesmer in wvw roaming for now. The problem is right now people know to focus the necro, our lack of stability and the ability to counter a focus fire make us weak in wvw unless you have someone else whose job is to keep you up.
its now really so much the necro as it is the meta in wvw, lots of cc lots of focus fire so with out high armor, stability or the ability to blink away and stealth its hard to not just get dropped. Necro and Elle both are weak to this and either need to be changed to fit the meta or wait it out till the meta shifts (when buffs and nerds to other class change how others spec)
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With 2k condi dmg (not hard with stacks) terror is 1k x 2 with another condi on them, which if you don’t youre doing it wrong
2k damage is too much? I honestly don’t see it, not with the absurd numbers other class can put out in the same amount of time.
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Male asura, why because my friend also has a male asura, that’s like 90 freaking mini targets in wvw.
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Hours of pounding at our backdoor. When will it end?
hmmm I don’t even know what to say to this that won’t get me perma banned.
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Add Greatsword and/or Hammer. Add a trait that increases a Necro’s armor rating to be similar to a Heavy class’s armor rating if the Necro is using a Greatsword or Hammer. Voila, dark knight type class now available to play.
Give the weapons moves that hurt your enemy while also hurting yourself. Stuff similar to the Blood is Power type of move. Then also buff the blood trait line so that the healing isn’t awful.
Won’t happen, but I can dream.
The heavy armor stuff is a bit OP. Cleave + heavy armor + large AOE + DS = ultimate melee class. Too much.
compared to who? Warrior has better armor, same hp, better passive healing, better cc, better stability, good damage, can go immune to direct damage twice, aoe fear, best mobility.
crap I would play mine but its so face roll easy it actually becomes boring.
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I wouldn’t mind a GM trait that made it so we regenerated health well in DS. Short of like how thiefs can regen well in stealth. Or even if it was a gm trait in blood magic that allowed syphons to heal us well in Ds.
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Add Greatsword and/or Hammer. Add a trait that increases a Necro’s armor rating to be similar to a Heavy class’s armor rating if the Necro is using a Greatsword or Hammer. Voila, dark knight type class now available to play.
Give the weapons moves that hurt your enemy while also hurting yourself. Stuff similar to the Blood is Power type of move. Then also buff the blood trait line so that the healing isn’t awful.
Won’t happen, but I can dream.
I think we need to move away from the hurt yourself to hurt others that the necro has. It made sense it beta when we where op, but since the abilities that work that way have been “shaved” and DS has been nerfed. So it used to be more risk vs reward. If you lesson the reward why leave the risk the same?
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Skill lag. Even if they could remove it, they would have to completely rebalance AoE. AoE is already too heavily built around in this game. Imagine if one player could spike a million plus DPS… nobody would roll with a class that didn’t AoE as a prime source of damage.
well what I said doesn’t matter right now anyways, the hardware of the game can’t handle it. That’s why other ways have been suggested to spread people out. The best way would be maps. I know there is an issue with map size but I would hope that was an easier fix then buying hardware.
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ITT: A bunch of hardcore Gank Squ….Havocers who don’t understand that the point of a large scale PvP system is to have large scale PvP fights.
Like playing Battlefield 4 64-player conquest and whining it should 8v8 like Call of Duty
Or Planetside 2 and complaining that all gunfights should be 1v1.
wrong, no one says large scale battles are bad, I even like them, what people are saying is it should not be a giant blob fighting another giant blob. By blob I mean stand right on top of each other. Other games have large battles but due to ape you need to spread out. That’s what people are talking about. I don’t care how many people are fighting just that the don’t stand right kittening on top of each other.
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