It was 2 vs 20 but its ok we got’em both!
It was 2 vs 20 but its ok we got’em both!
it doesn’t matter when your gvg us being held, if your on a map and that map has a que (during prime NA this happens) then your taking spots from people who want to play.
To clarify, GvG’s happen in WvW, therefore you are in no right to say that these people are taking up spots, as they have every right to be there as much as the next person.
If your going to be an elitist kitten about this, then you might as well tell the people doing crafting, gathering, their dailies and jumping puzzles to get the hell out of WvW as well.
or you could have quoted my whole post? Just asking.
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well for all the ones that think gvg is hurting wvw, because of spots taken and stuff.
most of the gvg i know of (and im in t2) are either held at the end of a matchup, before reset and during times when a matchup is already decided and not much going on. if we are still fighting for garrison, those guilds are helping and part of the defense.
gvg never happen on reset night and i have not seen one during the first few days of the matcups. so our queues are not influenced by this.
it doesn’t matter when your gvg us being held, if your on a map and that map has a que (during prime NA this happens) then your taking spots from people who want to play.
disclaimer, I’m not for or against gvg, being a 5 man roamer my form of play isn’t actively supported either, I’m just playing devils advocate, it as a neutral observer I have seen solid arguments in both sides and I have seen people who ruin the image of both sides.
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Also from the post it seems that GvG us some thing that is development, so hopefully we can but this to rest soon. No more crap about unbalancing buffs in wvw that “ruin” gvg and no more wvw complaining about gvg taking up player cap space.
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I will say this, having an opinion is fine, but I understand why anet said he was wrong much like the dev I also work for a large company and it is normal for you as an employee to not have an opinion well representing your company, so really the only thing the guy did wrong was to have his anet tag on.
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Fact: The gvg happened on an empty map, with no queues.
Fact: The event happened on a Thursday before reset, when there was a decided winner and the servers involved already had issues getting people to log in and fight.
Fact: Where the gvg’s happen is way down in the southern end of the map, far away from any towers/supply camps/keeps or any other objective needed to be flipped for WvW strategy and ppt.
Fact: The Anet employee parked himself untagged in the middle of what was a player-organized event and would not move.
Fact: The Anet employee only popped his tag after people asked him to move and then said “I’m watching you guys violate my game mode.”How exactly were these guys violating your “game mode”? They were far away from interfering with any objective flipping or defense. They were on a map that was not queued or causing issues for players to get into. People can have their own opinions about gvg and its place in WvW, but in this particular instance any of the regular protestations (taking up queue space, etc) were moot.
This guy owes the community and these particular players an apology. What he was doing was pure griefing, considering their event did not prohibit this Anet employee from capping objectives or playing the way he wanted to play. However, he was preventing others from playing the way THEY wanted to play.
Appology for what? Standing up there and watching? Its his right, as it is of every other player. He does not violate any rules by that or “grief” you. In fact, he had all right to actively interfere (attack other players, bring mobs there, set traps etc) – as any other players. GvGers are not given exclusive rights and protections and only able to hold the events because people let them.
In fact, if you actually would contact other side and tell them to kill this specific player interferring with you: that would be a clear rule violation.
From an actual harm standpoint: indeed, this even most likely did not matter.
From the legal standpoint: the Dev actually had all rights to punish you for abusing game mechanics (farming XP, as neglectable it were), conspiring to influence match result and “leeching” – its actually in a rules. He did nothing of that so even there you have nothing to complaint.So whats the whole fuss about? Since some player DARED to interfere with your holy GvG by standing there, and that player happened to be a Dev? (as if having a tag automatically made him untouchable).
He had absolutely no obligations to your side, used exact same rights as any other player could and recived trown insults and personal attacks there and now through forums and making his details public.
The equivalent would be a gvg team standing in front of any tower or keep you try to attack and not flip it, but just stand there and prevent anyone else from doing it.
Not sure why you’re not getting that this is griefing. He stood right in the middle of the playing field and wouldn’t move. And only after people asked him to move did he pop his tag as a signal of authority — which is an abuse of authority.
His sole purpose was to disrupt something a set of players organized. There was no tower to cap or camp to flip there — the sole purpose was to be disruptive. That’s the definition of griefing.
uhh that’s not greifing, I have knocked doors down and stood in the court yard killing people who come to defend. If someone from my realm comes and caps the tower o well, its the name of the game. Even anet employees are allowed to have an opinion as far as I know no one that did the gvg was band or in fractured so what’s the problem?
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Don’t laugh about the EU/NA merge, I’ve been thinking about it and I’m starting to believe that it may happen on some level (maybe a post-season between the top 3 of both zone?)
Think about it, they have been adamant about the 2 leagues about the beginning. They are adamant about the effects of bloodlust.What could their big announcement be, that they need to have it translated perfectly before they can let the news out?
There are only three possibilities that come to mind:
2. Changes to the bloodlust. Either a change in the amount of bonus stats, in the places needed to capture, or even a cooldown before it can change hands.
“Think about it, they have been adamant about the 2 leagues about the beginning. "
The post is about the nature and number of leagues in NA.Other points here:
1) My understanding is that we literally can’t match NA and EU servers up. It is about the physical locations of the data centers and the speed at which data travels. So, until that changes, interleague is off the table.
2) We are making some changes to bloodlust in advance of the season. More specific details will be out in the near future, I’m not sure when exactly.
what ever you do to bloodlust please dont make it pointless, i like the fact that it actualy brings small groups out to fight and i would hate to see wvw go back to just a giant zerg fest of people trying to get as much wxp as possable as fast as possable
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after a week of fighting FA i have come to the conclusion you need more hammer warriors, 2-3 per 5 man group is just not enough.
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They need to add items that drop off of just players, most deadly game and all that. For real thou. In any form of pvp the reward you get should come from beating people not npcs or standing in a box/circle
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Good idea but things like a server being NA heavy going against a Ocean heavy, so lots of people with no one to fight.
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Still don’t know why we need an AOE cap. AOE should affect everyone in the area. Zergs need to be melted. End of story.
because the servers would melt like a Barbie in an ez bake oven if limit was removed.
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Know its a long shot but, nice fight with that FA great sword ranger last night (on my d/d necro) and thanks to the other FA people who stood back and just let us finish it.
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The problem with last update, imo, was that they updated something that was already in the game which was suppose to be difficult to begin with. the content updates shouldnt revolve around content that is already in the game which is being fixed to what Anet wanted it to be from the beginning but the content should be new stuff we havent heard of or seen. im not saying they shouldnt work on existing content which lacks fun/difficulty but they shouldnt make it the main content in the updates bc all their doing is fixing their mistakes.
i know this had nothing to do with pve but you do know they added a huge map change to pvp and a new mechanic in the form of bloodlust
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the easy way to do it would de diminshing returns on wxp. wont ever be done but it would work,
example, road guard is worth 100 wxp, you solo it, 100 wxp, 5 man 100 wxp for everyone, you use 10 people 85 wxp for everyone, you 60 man it 5 wxp for eveyone.
yes you would have the annoying times when a large group roll up on something you just took and diminsh your return but its the name of the game if you want things to spread the hell out.
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now that they have added wxp and personal progression to wvw, yes it would be a perfect time to remove ppt and score board. make it more about the fight and less about your servers rank.
the problem is with leagues there would have to be some form of scoreing and even if it was not displayed someone would figure it out and dedicate a web site to it.
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well honestly if changed i think it would most likely become map specific, so no more then 50 stats as long as you hold it on the map your on and no bonus to EB.
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150% magic find is 150 × 0% chance to get anything useful in wvw. no thanks
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If the wve achievements are in the living story tab and all the pve only people come out that will be a fun fun time for the rest of us.
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No one has learned to not feed Ricky the troll, shame in you wvw forums, shameeeeee
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Being that I have been fighting FA this week (sor player here), I calm shenanigans, last night I never had more then one stack of BL and most of the time we had none, even with this fight being a blow out I still.see the orb buff changing hand freely and often.
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Its just really overflow tech and guesting, I don’t see how it would be super hard to program.
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I posted this in a different thread but its worth reporting.
add a mechanic that allows people to be mercenaries, if I have a que on my server I can select instead to be a merc, this will then send me to a different match up where a server is out manned, if I have friends who want to join me then can be invited to group and then click on my portrait and hit “join map” much like overflow.
don’t force people to do it, but if you don’t feel like sitting in que its an option to go out and fight and it also helps out the servers that need it most, also never allow it to be your own match up.
really thus is the only way I can think to spread people out with out forcing people to move and it uses tech they already have.
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D/D ele had been replaced with GS/Hammer warrior, they have all the mobility and control you used to have yet more hp and armor.
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I think they like crafting, better chance of getting mats for badges then weapons.
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I wonder if we removed PPT (leave some back end calcs for ranking) and the bonuses from PPT that no one seems to care about, and just made wvw about wxp and the fights if people would worry about this as much and if the population would spread out more.
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Don’t nerf warrior mobilty, just undo to changes to d/d ele. I mean how do you nerf the crap our of one class with low hp/armor but then allow a high hp/armor class to have pretty much what you took away from the first one.
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or give bonus wxp for a player kill in the runes.
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Or a legitimate chance to drop off a player would be nice.
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@OP, don’t pvp, simple enough. The rest of us seem to be doing fine.
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Stealth is MORE then strong. It should NOT be spammable, it should NOT be perma. Sure they cant damage you in stealth, except that is countered by the traits that buff them and there damage from attacking in stealth. Getting hit for nearly 16,000 damage in a blink of an eye is simply unacceptable.
NOTHING in the game is as strong as Thief stealth and only Thief will say otherwise.
100% critical chance from stealth…really!?
Lets not forget they remove conditions, regain health, regain initiative and move faster in stealth as well…
wait I can trait all if these? I’m not going to tell you to learn to play but do me a favor and learn the class enough to make a reasonable argument. Btw stealth is strong in small fights, the ability to completely become immune to all sources of incoming damage is better.
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I’m not seeing an upside to this week in wvw. I vote we boycott this match up, allow sor to take everything so that their wxp/karma/bag farming train ends. Not like fa nor db can match thier numbers. Individually they are extremely easy to kill in 1 v 1 or 2 fights. Problem is, they know this and run in mega zergs.
what ever makes you sleep at night. I’m sure you could take us all out if we just came at you one at a time.
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Leagues are starting soon Ricky, if you play NA prime time maybe we will run into each other, I play on SoR, I run in a small 3-5 man group, we can see how much kitten you talk then.
population balance across servers is much different then wvw population and outside of reset SoR rarely fills a map (I have outmanned buff a lot) so its not always numbers that win fights for us.
to the poster above the problem with capping a map at a number that is slightly above your enemies is the game will count JP players, PvE map completiers and so on as enemies and also, capping a map and leaving wvw should not be a defensive tactic.
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You do known SoR came into the top teir from guilds moving out of either imploding servers (hod) or over stacked servers (JQ), its not like we are talentless hacks that blobed are way up here.
maybe a 12 window on WvW would help but you would still have coverage gaps and the servers that could field people for the most amount of time in that twelve hours would still win. That means the top servers would most likely stay the top servers because they already have filled most of those gaps.
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I already played along and have you the only reasonable idea that I think could be used to balance things out in this thread, you on the other hand are either a troll or to broke to move to tier 1, can’t figure out which yet.
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i have zero doubts that the lower tier servers would wipe the FLOOR with the overpopulated wvw servers if they got sliced up into small wvw groups ….why ? because the t1 got soft skinned from traveling in big gangs …they have zero strategy! they are the orcs of society!
you do know that a big chunk of SoR moved there when it was the 17th place server, some servers are ranked where there at for a reason.
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Most of the zergs couldn’t even follow me tonight, I was ducking in the small alleyways and circling behind them to pick off stragglers, I got caught a few times but had way more kills then you would before the new map. Maybe its being in a balanced teir (1) but the buff changed hands so much it wasn’t even an issue.
Cool story Bro…..and its exactly that. Post video or it didn’t happen…Like zergs don’t take all paths through that area….
not your bro, also feel no need to video myself, so what if I did, guys like you would just be like “nice editing bro, lol!!!11!!1”
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Any class combo can be OP, had a engineer/warrior combo do 15k damage in 3 seconds to me. Most of the damage was from the engi.
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Lower the map caps and add “mercenary” mechanics, IE, I try to go to green BL, its full, a window pops up asking me if I want to queue for the map or become a mercenary, queue would work like normal, Merc would send me to a wvw match (never your own match up)where one server is outmanned, if I have someone from my guild in my group they could click on me portrait and “join me” much like overflow works now unless the map was full.
I know some would stay in queue for there own server, but often enough a lot of players have short play times and having the ability to just play would be nice at the same time giving lower wvw pop servers a fighting chance.
the only issue I see is this falsely inflatting a servers actual wvw rating. This is a small price to pay if the underdog servers finally haven people out and fighting.
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Well the changes don’t bother me at all and I have had fun in the new area since it when live, I see peoples points (sorta a lot is just whining) maybe the buff should be changed to the map it is on only, so max +50 stats, no buff in EB. Still worth fighting for but with out huge changes or perceived “huge” advantage.
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Great sword for sure, yes have plenty of options to be a ranged caster but the in your face reaper style play would be nice and right now we only have dagger that lacks any meaningful cleave (very important in wvw and even pve)
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What really happen.
People from my guild log in.
See enemies has 3 buff and owned everything
Do daily and log out.
if your guild is the norm for your server then its no wonder you can’t field the numbers for an even fight. SoR is teir 1 and there are plenty of times we have the out manned buff and still go out and fight. I logged on and BG held almost everything. I still did wvw. It sounds to me as if you have a fair weather player problem.
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Yes large group combat is part of the game and has had nothing but total support since release. Everything from AoE caps to Reward system has done nothing but reward this format of play. The best way to change that would be to lift the aoe limit, with the rewards to ranks you could add an ability that protected you well you where on seige to keep necros and eles from destroying everyone in a gate but out side of that clumbing would be a bad idea.
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I,m starting to think that you should take the PPT point from stomp off of the blood buff and add it to the out manned buff, it would give outmanned a reason to go out and fight. Its a small change to outmanned that would make a huge difference.
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I’d like to point out that every post that has something along the lines of "(and get ignored, due to this being Anet and them not giving a crap about the players) " Gets ignored…Also insulting them will probably just end up in you getting your post deleted rather then looked at…
I dont care, they delete it i will repost it, they have shown no evidence of what i have said to be wrong.How many people wanted this new buff system? did Anet even ask if we wanted such a thing – of course not.
Just trying to force us into S/TPvP because they are determined (and going to fail!) to make it an eSport rather then support the mode that has the highest population when it comes to PvP.
how is adding small objectives with good terrain for small skirmishes driving anyone to spvp? If anything its keeping roamers in wvw instead of spvp.
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Most of the zergs couldn’t even follow me tonight, I was ducking in the small alleyways and circling behind them to pick off stragglers, I got caught a few times but had way more kills then you would before the new map. Maybe its being in a balanced teir (1) but the buff changed hands so much it wasn’t even an issue.
Or maybe it’s because you are a thief and have the most broken and unbalanced mechanic in the game – Stealth. If that ever gets fixed, then come back and see how well you do when you cant jump into stealth every 4 seconds.
Why they made Thief stealth the way it is i dont know, should have been a “at the right time” sort of mechanic not a “lol, watch me spam this broken mechanic and reset the fight if i am losing” or “lol, watch me stealth and kill you with my obscene damage”
I have three maxed characters as per my sig, one of them is a thief, I was on my Necro. I prefer small man fights on my necro and you know what? I have no problem killing thieves. Still found the new area fun, still escaped the giant zerg and still killed of stragglers. Then again I built my toon to fight people not doors so maybe its me.
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30 man groups don’t have a chance to stomp, you die to aoe and auto attacks before it even goes off.
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If it stops all the whining then sure.
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I made the same suggestion earlier today, it makes the buff a double edged sword, yes the stats are nice but do you want to risk giving points to the other side? Also if the big server in the match up takes all three then the smaller servers can run havoc squads and garner points by smashing the target rich environment.
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See maybe its me but I remember the orbs being removed because they where easly exploited out of there spawn area, with the promise that a different mechanic would come later to replace them. Well its been close to a year and we have a new mechanic.
buff could be +5 to all stats and people would kitten.
you could switch outmanned and orb buff and people would kitten
no matter what Anet does people kitten, its no wonder they are not more vocal on the forums.
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Most of the zergs couldn’t even follow me tonight, I was ducking in the small alleyways and circling behind them to pick off stragglers, I got caught a few times but had way more kills then you would before the new map. Maybe its being in a balanced teir (1) but the buff changed hands so much it wasn’t even an issue.
You’re a thief. You’re supposed to be a cheap class and use your broken mechanics to get away.
I don’t see how this changed with these map changes..
The buff will be an issue since the majority of the time it will be in the hands of the zerg. Also, larger server means more people are available to capture those points so this mechanism rewards players on big servers for..paying for the transfrers to those big servers..huh..funny that..
assumptions are not good sir, i play my nerco more then my thief and was doing roaming on necro last night. i agree that the server with the larger wvw pop is going to have the bodies to spare to go for the buff compared to the one who dont, the issue is some of the servers that have a large population dont have active wvw players, what do you do about that?
also, saying this is spvp dropped in wvw is stupid, you do know that all of wvw is conquest mode pvp, right? the zerg just happens to need to knock down a door and kill an nps before they get to stand in there circle.
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