Guild Wars 2

Citizen.3869:

Sandrox.9524:

I am confused.

Why using Deathly Chill on power build, which have the same-ish dmg per tick as bleed.
While burn have nice dmg even w/o condi setup, I would prefer extra crit to secure every hit would be crit.

All very good questions. It is something on paper that is hard to justify, but I will try. In my experience, it’s not “how do I optimize my strengths” but more so, “how do I make up for my weaknesses”.

Generally, when I finally get up close, I never have a hard to finishing them off, so Reaper’s Onslaught seems like a waste.

Blighter’s Boon is something I played with for a long time, and is especially sexy with the spite line. But again, sustain in a fight is never something I’ve had a problem with. In fact, fights where I eventually got out-sustained were usually solved by adding Deathly Chill, since I was able to make better trades from a distance (the weak point of Reaper 1v1’s) with staff (which can output about 8 seconds of chill).

And as you pointed out, Dhuumfire is preference. Crit is nice and all, but there are some fights you need to win with condi (burn guards, power rev’s, etc). For me, it has never come down to “aw man, I wish I crit there”, but rather “these blocks are super annoying”, and getting 1k burn ticks in between periods where you can’t auto is SUPER nice.

You win those fights cause you have high dmg, not because the use of those condi traits. that is what I think.

This is correct. Condi is not the reason I win the fights, and isn’t even what makes the build. The condi traits are just an addition I personally chose to make up for the weaknesses in the build.

Sandrox.9524:

The video itself was a bit problematic to me, you should have kept the UI stuff to minimum and the footage bigger, I had to actually get closer to my screen to watch it.

Thanks for letting me know, I actually scaled it down a fair amount from some initial renditions. I was worried it was still too small, but I’m glad to get this feedback to confirm it.

Range ppl never trouble me while I got axe/focus, they troubled me when I had staff. Untill HoT I used staff as mendatory, but when reaper was out, I found axe to be better at dealing with ranged. the only one who managed to beat me cause the range is herald and thier stupidly OP hammer.

Nice. Not my taste of music(too loud ) moar power necros moarrrrrrr

This is no cancer.

if you only trade sinister for dire. and use condi,now that is cancer my friend.

I am confused.

Why using Deathly Chill on power build, which have the same-ish dmg per tick as bleed.
While burn have nice dmg even w/o condi setup, I would prefer extra crit to secure every hit would be crit.

Your setup might be good against those perma protection rangers but that is all imo.You win those fights cause you have high dmg, not because the use of those condi traits. that is what I think.

The video itself was a bit problematic to me, you should have kept the UI stuff to minimum and the footage bigger, I had to actually get closer to my screen to watch it.

Playing sword/dagger crit strikes thief for 2 years now(I remember you playing sword/dagger too). I dumped acro for DD since it is better at everything. You get more condi cleanse,more dodges, meaning more evade, a bit of dmg reduction. I was forced going into marauder gear since they removed guard stacks. and I still enjoy playing as sword/dagger crit strikes thief it owns man

problem returned I have gw2 on SSD and have 8GB ram
I have GTX650ti boost 2GB
intel core i5 4590
new mobo
and the picture freeze yet the game keep playing ..
all new hardware cept for the vid card

could be that outfit with the fire thingy that you can dye

Orpheal.8263:

Class Mechanics: – What makes the Thief stand out in battle and unique as also helpful for the group for why you would want to have a Thief in your group?

So lets start this thread with the essential design part of what makes a Class a Class – their mechanics, the DNA practically, which makes every class different to play and feel like.

In my honest opinion the Thief 2.0 that I have in my mind should be a Class Mechanic Design which is based on the following abilities:

• Advanced Stealth – With that I mean, a Stealth, that is different, than the Standard Stealth that maybe some other Classes can use also, a Stealth that is in overall significantly more group supportive, than the Standard Stealth of other Classes
• Advanced Poisons – Thieves are Masters of Deadly Venoms, when they poison you in any kind of form, it should be different, than getting poisoned by an other Clss, their Poisons need to be more effective
• Superior Agility – Thieves are known for their quickness, they should be from all Classes the one that can move the fastest and works in a battle like a whirlwind, one moment here, the next there to confuse the enemy with their swift movements
• Stealing – Stealing is and should be the most significant trademark ability of the Thief Class, that should be more, than what it currently is. Stealing needs to become more effectful and with that I do mean per se the Thief needs to become a better Boon Stealer
• Superior Evasion – Something that should automatically come along with the Superior Agility, but with Superior Evansion I mean also, that the Thief needs to become better in avoiding Damage, than by using only Dodge Rolls. There are thigns that need to get improved here to give Thieves a better role in the game that gives them also more group support.
• High Critical Performance – Thieves with their sharp eyes and their stealing skills and knowledge about venoms have a superb understanding about the anatomy of their enemies to know exactly where to attack someone to land a critical hit.
  This means, Thieves should be one of the best Classes when it comes to DPS through high critical Direct Damage with that they can quickly take out the weak and unprotected targets before they need to vanish in thin air, before too many enemies recognize them and rush to them to help their allies in danger, or with the element of Stealth to use it for a quick surprise attack to burst a target down and leave it in a weakened state if the attack wasnt deadly, so that other allies have then an easy game with the target, so that the Thief can focus on stalking the next enemy

This are the key elements that the Thief Class has what makes out the Thief and its Gameplay Design, making you feel like a fast predator, which is very strong in taking quickly out single targets, but needs to be very agile and on the move constantly, not avoid being attacked by too many enenemies at once.
They are the typical Hit&Run Class, the vultures, that wait for the right tactical moment to attack, laying out traps if needed to bring enemies into the right position to have an easy game with them, or ambush targets in a direct approach to burst them down, before they saw you even coming, so that enemies need always be cautious and aware of their surroundings

Some of the points here are applied to the current thief.

Am I the only one sseing that list get longer the more patches we get?

Why do you think that there will be next at all

if we only had utilites that work like druid glyphs that effect chaneg depends if you in RS or not would be super awesome !

Isnt it somthing that was not meant to be? liek a thing anet should fix?

Yay! more like you man ! good show!

One thing though, dont be afraid using the fear on breaking infusion armor for inturpting heals or skills such heartseek stealth combo ect

flow.6043:

JollyDoctor.5738:

Is Zojja’s armor the best way to go? And it’s for PvP.

Just when you think it can’t get more confusing…
There is no armor in PvP. Well, of course your wear armor, but only for esthetic reasons. However, it’s pointless to make distinctions between ascended and lower tier stat prefixes because you get your stats by picking an amulet in your build editor.

I just assume by pvp he means WvW.

zapv.8051:

The Wizland.8435:

Just lower cast time to like 3/4 seconds. It’s not really meant for damage and it’s already got good effects with 12 vulnerability and 12% Life Force.

I’m in favor of this, gs would be more reasonable in pvp if there where only 1-2 slow skills(gravedigger and auto) instead of the whole weapon.

Grasping darkness and nightfall are almost insta tho

JollyDoctor.5738:

Sandrox.9524:

I dont understand. Zojja is zerk, soldier is well..soldier so what do you mean by ascended gear for soldier? you mean you have soldier trinkets..?
and for what game mode?(pvp or pve)

Sorry, I worded my post poorly. I’m just wondering what’s the best gear to get for a Soldier Reaper.

Is Zojja’s armor the best way to go? And it’s for PvP.

Ok first things first, Zojja is a name for the ascended stat called beserker which is power precision and ferocity.Soldier is another stat which based on power toughness and vitality.By saying you want zojja’s armor on soldier reaper you contradicting yourself.

Now if i am to ignore the “soldier reaper” part, I would suggets that you mix some Valkyrie or Marauder gear with beserk, tho it is possible to run all zerk but you will mostly die if pressured in smallscale fight.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Nah, Greatsword comes with a gap closer on GS5 and Shroud 2. Sure, the former is less reliable than we’d like, but it’s there.

No, the only change that Death Spiral should get is a cast time reduction from 1 second to 3/4 second. The only other change I would say Greatsword specifically needs is a shorter cast on the third auto hit.

Pulls in general need attention, but I fully recognize that they are not easy to fix.

+1 agree on all points

I dont understand. Zojja is zerk, soldier is well..soldier so what do you mean by ascended gear for soldier? you mean you have soldier trinkets..?
and for what game mode?(pvp or pve)

it will make the necro way too strong.

Nofaith De Morte.1027:

I tried a lot of that stuff in the lower leagues. I’m playing vs diamonds now as a solo reaper and the entire game changes.

This build will struggle greatly higher up, at least that’s how it was for me.

Had to settle into a meta cancer build and HAD to lean on my teammates. Hate to say it but with support a Reaper shines, when getting focus trained you’ll last 2 seconds at best. I wish I wasn’t being so literal.

At beginning diamond level I’m playing Scep/focus (more boon strip, helps semi-useless first tier spite) and staff. Energy/Hydro Air/Speed (all proc on in and out shroud etc). Durability/Wanderer’s.

Spite/soul/reaper 1-1-1/2-2-3/2-2-2

I wish with all my might foot in the grave and dhuumfire weren’t on the same tier.

Coming up through low leagues Blighter’s Boon was enough for sustain, not even remotely true higher up. Too many insta-gib classes and EVERY GAME will have a tempest or two on the other team. IE most of your hits are mitigated.

The name of the game is boon strip. All the classes get better boons than you and they will turn the fight for them. That’s why I use focus. it has a heal and a 3 strip. I carry 3 signets, all of which strip 2 boons. So that’s 4 distinct boon strips. Sometimes 1v1 vs engi/mes/TEMPEST that STILL isn’t enough strip.

Oh a diamond Tempest. Oh you’re in for a real treat there. OH man. Oh man oh man.

I know I’m kinda kittenin in your wheaties but it’s better than letting you eat them.

basically the usuall signet build would work.

Lurkerfox.7684:

while its not a bad build at all i would suggest dropping “Rise” only becuase as a power necro your minions will die off to quickly to be of much good.

Use “Suffer” instead for more vuln, chill, and condi transfer

This is a build i use alot in sPvP but only when i am not solo queing. its an amazing crit build that i love and definitely helps out alot when others around you are taking the focus of the enemy players.

Good vid none the less

Rise main goal is to give me dmg reduction for short time and trigger traps and marks, not the minions dmg or thier lifespan is what im taking to account when using this skill. It is helped me alot at survival, as you prolly know those minions take the dmg off you and if you for instance, fighting a mesmer or gyro scrapper or MM necro you get alot of minions and it is really helpful, at least for me. I did tried Suffer, tho it is 1 condi transfer(for every enemy yeah but it is too situational), the chill is good but not so needed cause my runes generate chill and most of the times my enemy have chill,and with axe and gs I make almost insta 20 stacks of vournability. But tbh I’ve never tried taking Suffer for Rise, and I will try so thanks for the input!

I think it is sort of the wellmancer with reaper touch.

Do you really need foot in the grave with reaper stab? or you want another stun breaker? think the extra dmg of death perception might do better, care to explain?

Stand The Wall.6987:

Sandrox.9524:

No one cares /thread

secretly likes this

Secretly crying :[

DeceiverX.8361:

I must ask, why the furious sharpening stone over oil? You’d get more power and would be more resilient to conditions while running Plague Signet from the extra 1k health.

Good to see another power reaper tearing it up in WvW. I run a more damage-oriented build than you, but power reaper is crazy fun. I recommend giving Reaper’s Onslaught another try. The full-cooldown reset on Death’s Charge is amazing for small groups and the DPS increase is way more than 15%.

My bad, I took the build from somone else and modified it.
I run http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNAndRnMbCtbid2AebC0biFcBD6qFAaBUdh2wzKuK2FDjA-TlCEQBbRJoBeCAyY/BHqMgBHCg2oPwfq/wElWNRJCAOBAbGGAMBGRERIFArCtA-w
cause im so cheap.

Thanks guys!
My build is: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNAndRnMbCtbid2AebC0biFcBjqL0GeWxVxuYYE6qFAaBA-TlCEQB+T9HAcCAaiSktoEsN6DYiSLZs/ADOEAG4JA4QlBBAQAc0A38m38m38mlCIwtWA-w

Ropechef.6192:

Some good stuff there Sand.

nicely done!

Thanks!

use it midair seems to fix all problems to me

Wanted to show you some GS action.

Note that im new to streaming and video editing(sort of).

Thank you for watching!

Lily.1935:

Name: Lilith Be Gone

Gender: Female

Race: Human

The name is actually less of a name and more a title. The Character herself in my personal Head cannon isn’t actually named Lilith Be Gone but takes that title on from her Guild Wars 1 counterpart. Lullaby loosely translates to Lilith begone. Its a old blessing sung over children before they went to sleep to protect them from being snatched away in the night by the mother of demons, Lilith.

The story behind the character is pretty Interesting. But that’ll have to wait for another time. That could take me hours to write down and I doubt most people would actually bother to read it.

8/10 very interesting!
Mine called So Tiny Reaper since it’s asura and a reaper simple as that xD

Works for me..
Which game mode did you had it?

No one cares /thread

Zefrost.3425:

Sandrox.9524:

What is your take on Marauder gear?

I’m not the one you asked but my take on marauder is: Why run marauder on necro when other classes are better with it? Engineer and thief are pretty amazing with it and have active defenses to support it.

That’s why I like to run full berserk instead, lol. The extra vitality isn’t really going to save us since we have no active defenses. Might as well go full out, IMO. A dead opponent = no DPS.

Problem I have with berserker gear in WvW is revs… they will drop you with auto attacks…

full zerk wouldnt work in smallscale fights. You get focused-you die. saved me alot of time and the dmg penalty is not so high you lose overall 1-2k dmg for about 4-5k health which you can double it cause it affects the reaper shroud pool so the self decaying prolonged.

Flumek.9043:

All poeple asking for GS should get reported.

All the people who pretend to know how to play with GS should get reported.

Fine video Holl but wished some GS action too have you tried shout build?

What is your take on Marauder gear?

Holl.3109:

Sandrox.9524:

Not that I disrespect you persey, I just dont get so excited seeing condi player rek ppl.

Holt disappoint me too, he gave up on power necro afaik, and I dont think he reaaaaly got into power reaper, I think the blighter boon nerf killed it for him though would love to be wrong. Even in his latest reaper video 90% of it is condi montage.

I only play power necro for about 1.5 years and since HoT I play with GS and shouts and almost only roam wvw either solo or by small group. Thing is I am not encountering reapers which are power like me or never seen somone streaming on power necro or have video on it. I know there is no much of wvw streamers out there, mostly because the new map, but it was bad before that too.

Anyhow sorry to drag this into your topic. Twas just me QQing.I know you play way way back and by no means I ment to disrespect you if that the impression I did in my first comment.

Wowowo you got it alll wrong my friend!
1) I never gave up on power reaper, it’s too awesome! I’ve just been inactive because of PC issues and vacation
2) The blighter’s boon nerf, wasn’t a nerf, but a buff! At least for me it was. I didn’t have any friends who would give me boons anyway, so now instead of 140hp per boon I heal 200hp per boon!
3) My first reaper video (since betas) were just some casual PvP clips, and condi reaper just does a lot better there. Power reaper doesn’t fare well against most meta specs >.>
4) Agree with you on how rare power reaper’s seem to have become. In my last 2/3 weeks of roaming I think I only met around 2 or 3 of them…
5) And to top this post of…. Posting my power necro video today

o/

Good to know

Lynnie.7213:

Sandrox.9524:

Does no one skilled enough to play power necro ? I mean this vid is good and all but it just spamming condies and win. 0 effort. Like when I play condi necro and I feel i can play this only with bashing my head on keyboard and still win.. condi is just so freaking strong in wvw with all the buffs and runes and stats allowed.

Yeah, condis are strong right now but i play it ever since game launch, i think i only play power builds for pve and only on classes where the condi build is subpar. I am a condi lover, sorry to dissapoint you. >.<
You can check out Hollts for power build videos … if he haven’t converted to the Dark side, ofc.

Not that I disrespect you persey, I just dont get so excited seeing condi player rek ppl.

Holt disappoint me too, he gave up on power necro afaik, and I dont think he reaaaaly got into power reaper, I think the blighter boon nerf killed it for him though would love to be wrong. Even in his latest reaper video 90% of it is condi montage.

I only play power necro for about 1.5 years and since HoT I play with GS and shouts and almost only roam wvw either solo or by small group. Thing is I am not encountering reapers which are power like me or never seen somone streaming on power necro or have video on it. I know there is no much of wvw streamers out there, mostly because the new map, but it was bad before that too.

Anyhow sorry to drag this into your topic. Twas just me QQing.I know you play way way back and by no means I ment to disrespect you if that the impression I did in my first comment.

it’s buggy as hell somtimes the enemy just get hit by it, you see the dmg numbers, but no pull(with no stab on em) or its just make them trip.

Also note that the pull itself happens when the animation hands coming back to you, so enemy might spot that and side step it just before the hands returns and you would think it didnt worked.

Also when you about to use it and enemy moving to your far left or right it will enter short cooldown.

in general i suggest that you use it while jumping it avoids bumpers block and such

Gravedigger is fine, what you dont get it is that ppl wait for heals at 50% or so or thier heal is like on 2 sec cd it is good to land a strong hit in the end to finish off the guy.

for example those sick engies heal with the turret, if engies is at 30% health and does that he will get to 80% health fast.GD is a good counter to that.

I place sigil of inteligence and fire, because they made RS a weapon swap too, and I often get out of shroud in middle and surprise GD on them.Usually I dont miss it.

Does no one skilled enough to play power necro ? I mean this vid is good and all but it just spamming condies and win. 0 effort. Like when I play condi necro and I feel i can play this only with bashing my head on keyboard and still win.. condi is just so freaking strong in wvw with all the buffs and runes and stats allowed.

Make GS auto attack a 1200m range attack.
Make Nightfull a ground targeted AoE.
Keep Gravedigger the way it is.
other two attacks consider ranged.

There is no problem choosing timezone as long all can play together, tho if it seperate ppl from each other in wvw, that is a problem.

I love some ppl sarcasm here that said we should have patience, they might on to somthign with this overhaul.

You forgot necros auto fear on CC trait. and some more

it is all because thief is squishy as kitten, and in today meta where aoe everything classes, thief cant do anything.

Daredevil is strong and if a DD lost to you with condi cleanse on evade this DD is not very good.

rchu.8945:

That pretty much sums up why WvW didnt get any attention, either Anet decided to entirely abandon this game mode, or this guy got fired for coming with the terrible new BL maps.

He didnt got fired, he left. He stated that he got an offer he couldnt refuse.

That said, who did or gonna take over if at all?

I’m running power necro and solo roam quite a bit, but problem is, of all power builds I got, every build have significant weakness to somthing.I run shout build and have much success and getting chronos,rangers and dragon hunters. but having really tough time against Daredevil or just thief players with brain, every herald no matter how skilled as a player and no matter if he even got a brain, and cele scrappers.I also started to stream and already have footage against chrono and herald.
http://www.twitch.tv/emil8006
I usually stream solo roaming as power reaper(yeah you gonna see me dying alot since no escapes and such but if you love the class like I do, you will endure).
I will upload my footage against chrono if you want(champ illusionist).

Oslaf Beinir.5842:

I found myself kicking any thief who joined the squad since they contribute nothing special or meaningful when compared to the other classes

IMHO I guess its a gg for this class in raids

you kitten please go play other game

Cogbyrn.7283:

Lily.1935:

Its not a bias opinion of mine its performance. If axe actually preformed well I’d only complain about its absolutely terrible paddling animation on females. But when I’m using it and and not paying attention to its animation I’m always thinking “Ugh…. this is just dreadful I could be using staff and not be getting wreaked by everything around me.”

Also, by the way. I don’t often use soul marks. But I like the option.

It is biased, because it’s your performance. I’ve been in too many WvW roaming situations where Staff was negligibly helpful at best against blind spam, aegis spam, stealth spam, etc., for me to really like Staff. And you’d think I might like Staff against something like stealth, because you can drop AoEs, but that isn’t really how it worked out. And if that Staff #1 isn’t generating upwards of 12%+ LF per cast, that’s a whole lot of time you’re spending trying to land a non-homing, slow projectile on multiple people.

Axe clears blinds, in one of its many ticks, and still applies the rest of its pressure/LF gen, as opposed to so many other Necro abilities that are long cast times for a single hit. It continues to channel through stealth, so that Thief that just D/P combo’d back into stealth for the 10th time is still taking damage (Power, mind you, so it doesn’t have the incredible convenience Condi has in situations like that). When the Mesmer comes out of stealth with Aegis, you channel for LF generation, blow any blinds/aegis, and apply some pressure/get some LF to boot. Did that Medi guard just pop Shield of Wrath? 3 ticks from Axe #2 and it’s gone, instead of 3 slow hits that may or may not land.

And that’s all just channel usefulness. It doesn’t have to kill them in 2 channels, but as long as it applies pressure and gets me some LF generation, great. The boon corruption + AoE cripple is nice for some control while you’re in vulnerable-mode. The off-hand can be anything you want it to be.

I mainly just don’t want anyone to be completely discouraged from trying it. As with most things in MMOs, personal style can be a major component. Someone might be really good at managing DoTs, but struggle with a burn-phase style. Maybe someone can instinctually support/heal, but doesn’t know when the time is right to dive for the kill.

This is prime example of the diffrences betwin somone who do roams than somone who pretend to roam, no matter what you gonna say Lily, true roaming ppl know and tested staff and played it enough to realize it underpreform with reaper spec. I am 100% sure this guy is a roamer cause he got spot on the same problem with staff and the same advantage with axe I came up with, so I kbow this guy roames and actually experinenced the same thing. I think you should roam up a bit, and not running with zergs cause staff is still better for running in zerg cause of aoe and soul marks actually gives you lf for each enemy.That said you can run axe/warhorn which works good too.In spvp I run power signet necro with axe/focus for maxmize boon removal, which decimate bunkers namely guardians and cele eles and it owns!