Guild Wars 2

Rin.1046:

Sandrox.9524:

sword/pistol??
Mesmer got:
scepter/sword
Guard got:
Mace/Shield so does warrior
all those are small to big offhand

The idea seems to be that we have right handed characters. And as right handed characters our dominant hand should have the weapon that needs the most combined dexterity and strength. It is nothing to do with the size of the weapon.

For example, with a sword and shield, you need a lot more dexterity and strength with the sword than the shield. While you do need strength to use a shield, you essentially only need to raise up and withstand an attack, so there is very little dexterity involved compared to sword.

Another example is sword + pistol. While the pistol requires a lot of dexterity to use, the sword requires a lot of dexterity AND strength to use effectively.

That said, there is one reason why I am surprized Anet hasn’t gone the ambidextrous route. And that is the fact that they like to break convention, with ranged hammer and greatsword. So it seems perfectly reasonable to me to have ambidextrous characters in GW2 IMO. But at the end of the day, it is not a big deal for me. I can get behind the idea of us all being right handed. Just surprised Anet hasn’t wanted to break this convention yet.

Who knows, maybe they will with one of the elite specs, if not in HoT in future elite spec releases.

ok. Warrior mace/sword. both need str to use and not raising the sword like shield

Nephrite.6954:

Karl, please change Potent Poison. Thanks

lol,that sounded so desperate!

Decus.8602:

To all of you saying they wouldn’t give the same weapon to more than one specilaization. I believe the revenant shield spec (glint) will be the revenants elite spec. Meaning it would share the same elite spec with Mesmer.

In addition to that, there will be more elite spec in the future and at some point weapons WILL overlap so its a moot point in the long run. Take that with the already leaked evidence of staff models and the backdrop in thief colors and you can say fairly certainly that its gonna be staff. Also noteworthy is that with the introduction of melee staff on revenant they already got some new animations which they might reuse for thief skills.

1st.I belive that Justin Bieber is a girl,dosnt mean its true.
2nd.Revenant is a new class which stuff already overlaped with it,Rev is not related.
3rd.they “leaked” sword on ele’s,and eventually it was warhorn.

Khristophoros.7194:

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

In short, “no”, because Ice Bow 4*4 with Might and Fury stacking more than outdamages both Well of Suffering and Well of Corruption combined.

Plus, the Necros can’t just skip mobs.

I forgot about Ice Bow oops. That thing is OP, can’t believe they’re not nerfing it.

But what’s this about not being able to skip mobs? I always just run past them without any problems.

Cause you had friends with stab/protection/swiftness/vigor shared

No usually I just run through without boons. I join pugs regardless of the party comp so we don’t always have guardians or thieves to make running easier. I just dodge stuff.

I mean I even solo the scepter piece gathering on Hodgins’ path in AC without bothering to bring any stability or stun breaks on my necro.

If you think boons are required for running past mobs you have a lot to learn.

AC? man that instance can be done by 5 lvl 60 rangers quickly.Im talking about ARah and high level fractals,w/o stability,swiftness and protection or reflect,you wont survive a bit.

I do fractals with any group comp, idc. I mentioned AC because the running parts are full of enemies that knock down.

I haven’t touched Arah since I got Dungeon Master but I did it on my necro and had no issues running past mobs there either.

Ok.Why do I bother.

Genesis.7693:

Sandrox.9524:

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

All I see is people blowing all their defensive cooldowns to mitigate damage. Which means you’re free to burst them down after Lich has run out.

Don’t use Lich for damage use it for baiting.

this and that you dont even try to burst them,you just standing still and shooting in same direction rather than use the knockback or teven to turn and face them while they on your back

Lich claws are omni-directional lol…they hit even if the target is behind you, there’s no need to turn. Reason why I don’t use Chilling WInd is because its buggy and there’s no use if I can’t see them or they’re blocking or have stab, etc. Sometimes it has its uses sure, but the point of this video was meant to show that Lich can be countered by the mechanics that are in place for every class.

- Also, yes people are blowing their defensive cooldowns but, at the same time they’re dealing damage to me, after Lich is over the fight is not entirely in my favor. Also Lich is a 3 min cooldown, while none of the defensive cooldowns are that long. But again, not the point of the video, its just meant to display the plethora of counters available for every class to deal with Lich, provided the user doesn’t panic.

omni dierctional if they on you,not 2 step behind you.
+the guard would have died if you continued the fight :P

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

All I see is people blowing all their defensive cooldowns to mitigate damage. Which means you’re free to burst them down after Lich has run out.

Don’t use Lich for damage use it for baiting.

this and that you dont even try to burst them,you just standing still and shooting in same direction rather than use the knockback or teven to turn and face them while they on your back

dmg is fine. LAc strike 12k auto attacsk 5k and 3rd auto attack 7k.This isnt the problem.You need more surivivable utilities and anet shove it all.

Sorry but these skills are not thief-ish and dmg reduction is spammable? OP

Shadow.1345:

Ranger gets ranged magic staff so even with melee staff that is still a different weapon plus there is a data-mined picture of a staff wielding thief. Debate solved.

/thread

Still dosn’t make sense it will be staff.In inspite you think that ranged STAFF and melee STAFF are not the same weapon,the pattern is celar and anet wouldn’t give 2 classes same weapon.

Khristophoros.7194:

Sandrox.9524:

Khristophoros.7194:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

In short, “no”, because Ice Bow 4*4 with Might and Fury stacking more than outdamages both Well of Suffering and Well of Corruption combined.

Plus, the Necros can’t just skip mobs.

I forgot about Ice Bow oops. That thing is OP, can’t believe they’re not nerfing it.

But what’s this about not being able to skip mobs? I always just run past them without any problems.

Cause you had friends with stab/protection/swiftness/vigor shared

No usually I just run through without boons. I join pugs regardless of the party comp so we don’t always have guardians or thieves to make running easier. I just dodge stuff.

I mean I even solo the scepter piece gathering on Hodgins’ path in AC without bothering to bring any stability or stun breaks on my necro.

If you think boons are required for running past mobs you have a lot to learn.

AC? man that instance can be done by 5 lvl 60 rangers quickly.Im talking about ARah and high level fractals,w/o stability,swiftness and protection or reflect,you wont survive a bit.

Camera shake…….remove the camera shake!!!!!

Tarkan.5609:

May the devs get some brain and give us back Feline Grace… just not on dodge, but if an actual dodge (not sword #3 for example) makes you evade something

Please devs. Amen (what does umbasa mean btw?)

“Umbasa” refers to “Amen” in Demon souls game cultists prayer.

yeah forgot Torch.I will be utter disappointed if it will be rifle or torch(or focus for that matter) I can accept staff but offhand sword is so suited for thieves than mesmers!

Khristophoros.7194:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

In short, “no”, because Ice Bow 4*4 with Might and Fury stacking more than outdamages both Well of Suffering and Well of Corruption combined.

Plus, the Necros can’t just skip mobs.

I forgot about Ice Bow oops. That thing is OP, can’t believe they’re not nerfing it.

But what’s this about not being able to skip mobs? I always just run past them without any problems.

Cause you had friends with stab/protection/swiftness/vigor shared

stof.9341:

Let me try again : it’ll look dumb as hell to see a thief autoattack with a dagger while he has a sword in his other hand doing nothing.

They can do animation for it,just as they do with any other x/sword stuff.
look at mesmer,it will be really wierd doing sonfusion images with sword OH and they made it ok,Blurred frenzy would have looked wierd with offhand sword doing nothing and they made it look ok.

it dosnt matter unless you doing high end fractals or arah.Everything works.And even so,you still can do it,all depends on skill and time.

stof.9341:

Scepter and Mace aren’t small at all. Not like a dagger or a pistol is.

Some,some not.
I can give you pistol bigger than mace and vise versa. same goes for scepter but less.

You mean d/d-S/B
and you got high crit chance there,I would use prcision and ferocity food.It might be good.

stof.9341:

We won’t be getting offhand sword anytime soon because main hand pistol/dagger (small) + an offhand sword (big) will look weird as hell.

Notice how the Mesmer can use pistols and offhand sword but in exchange cannot use main hand pistol?

As for the Spear, please take note that the weapon is highly evasive so the trait makes sense for it. Also it seems ANet said that no underwater weapon was coming for land usage.

Nobody at ANet said the specialisatios would get different weapons. In fact, it’s highly unlikely already since it seems Revenant gets a Shield which Mesmers get too. Also, Elementalists just got the same utility types as Necromancers, Shouts.

sword/pistol??
Mesmer got:
scepter/sword
Guard got:
Mace/Shield so does warrior
all those are small to big offhand

Solori.6025:

Sandrox.9524:

Carighan.6758:

Sandrox.9524:

Broken is when I can one shot heavy armor w/o the use of shatter even.
Broken is when i can 1v3 thieves with just using one shatter burst.
Broken is when mesmer can stealth more than thief with PU which is thief sort of unique ability.

No.

That’s not broken.

You completely missed the point of the person you cited. What you complain about is balance issues. I.e.: stuff can be unbalanced, either overpowered or underpowered.
Very different from broken.

Broken is:

• Symbolic Avenger
• Grenadier

Stuff like that.

Also, Thieves still kill Mesmers nicely. Honestly the only difference is that you now have to approach Mesmers like other classes, i.e.: care about the enemy. Instead of just HS-spam-to-win.
Mesmers are no longer thief-fodder. Or well, they are, but not as easy to kill. Still easy.

Should you read more slowly my post,you would have noticed that I havent said anything about thieves cant kill mesmers.I said mesmers can easly kill thieves. And im not pulling it out of my butt chick,i litreally downed 3 thieves with shatter combo.
+ I can stun every 5 second while doing so. It’s godmode,and that is why it is BROKEN not unbalanced cause unbalanced means that some things should be tuned up or down,but when the whole gokitten class is messed up(right in the class core mechanic),the class is BROKEN so yes Guardian mass symbol thing is broken too but stun every 5s and more or equal stealth to thief is BROKEN. And I play both classes(I play all but mostly those 2 and a bit of necromancer).

And about mesmer VS thief thingy you talking about-anet already gave mesmers enough defense with manipulation tweaks and the fact IP is core.+gave more stealth.this alone makes mesmer more notable to thieves.And good mesmers beat thieves easly before patch aswell.part of d/d thieves,mesmers,and I speaking for myself,never been in tough spot against thieves.

Since I played mesmer afterpatch and facerolled almost everyone,I stopped playing it.Anet just ruined mesmers for me,they amde it too easy where they said they want to make mesmer more skilled base.

……You….actually wrote an entire post of contradictions…

To respond to my 25(?) Day old thread.
This question was asked because during the patch week. The first thing people did, was complain about mes damage and mes stealth,. Ignoring other classes that could do close to the same or better damage and stealth. I made this post to ask and find out why, when everyone was in the phase of learning, that some people who “claimed” to be mesmer mains wanted everything nerfed. Before a new meta could even blossom.
Over the past few weeks I am thankful that A-net didn’t completely cave into the whine.
I am also grateful to the people in the mesmer community that tested more things and identified more things that could be changed to put the class in line vs just blindly nerfing everything.
So some community things I think we can all agree or come to an agreement on.
CS needs to have a longer ICD
BD needs to be fixed to be dodgeable and blockable
PU needs to buff stealth duration possibly a flat 2seconds.
Veil needs to be buffed
Our staff trait needs to be buffed or give a flat reduction.

Bugs need to be fixed for everyone.

I think almost everyone has come to terms that this damage output for all classes may be the new direction gw2 is going. And I make that assumption because of the world boss changes, and I’m betting we will see that change spread to the rest of the game.

P.S.
I have noticed more people coming up with unconventional builds to deal with this burst meta.
Go go tank necro

Why so many ppl got reading issues?! look when I posted it….16 days ago!!

Downing 3 thieves in one shatter at the same time.(still died tho)

mompen.7952:

I was just rambling about the trait that says if we have a spear equipped, it would recharge steal by a static amount. If that’s aimed at underwater combat or not. If not, spear is our “new” weapon. But again, spear is something we already have, and if all classes get’s a brand new weapon, that’s not it :P
I just find it weird that they base a trait around underwater combat, which are rarely used. But again, i’m not surprised. It’s a-net

Yeah anet ditched underwater but yet you see them balanicng underwater skills every update,it seems they have greater plan for underwater in the fututre ahead.

mompen.7952:

Have you noticed the trait in acrobatics, “Swindlers Equilibrium”, where it says: “successfully evading an attack while wielding a sword or SPEAR recharges steal by a static amount”

We allready have a spear, but that’s underwater. You think they added it in there for underwater combat – which sucks and we all know it?
Just putting it out there.

But if every class is getting a brand new weapon, thats out of the question ofc.

Maybe im stupid as fhak,but I dont get your point there ^^

Hi Era ! (it’s Mess) talk to me ingame I can help you.

While ppl already suggested that it gonna be staff,I think it gonna be OH sword,since ele get warhorn and every new weapon set is different weapon:
Guard-longbow
Ranger-Staff(we know ranger get the staff)
ele-warhorn
mesmer-shield
necro-gs
warrior-most likely will get pistol or focus(my bet on pistol)
Engineer-hammer

And since we already have shortbow and pistol.We have two options:rifle,focus,torch,axe or sword.
I will be very disappointed if it will be rifle.
focus and torch is by default OH so most likely OH weapon,but I think it gonna be OH sword,duelist.

What is your thoughts?

http://i.imgur.com/2xBHxLM.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ohjZgLP.png

http://i.imgur.com/yhXUnfa.png

Took me awhile to capture it.It is randomally flickering in differnt size and shapes dunno what to make of it. seems like in *not*random places but random timings.

EDIT: Oddly enough,when I start record with OBS the problem is fixed,but when I stop it returns….??!?!?!?wtf…

Meanwhile at Anet:“How we make Revenant the new thief so we can delete it? hmm SHIRO!!!!”

it can be,the dagger third attack does high dmg + guard could have that symbol of wrath give 10% more dmg trait,and might+vurnability + necro trait that gives extra 20% dmg under 50% health+ my power necro can have 3k power and 1k ferocity with wvw stacks all fits.

Well,wierd that no mesmer inturrpted you..even if you use foot in the grave…I think condi necro in good spot against mesmers,would like to see power necros agaisnt them.

MidoriMarch.8067:

Sandrox.9524:

MidoriMarch.8067:

Nephrite.6954:

MidoriMarch.8067:

Jayden stated everything i wanted to say.
and some of you just dont even understand whats our core problem and just want higher hp pool

Of course we all understand the core problem, the problem that traits are being nerfed without proper speculation. Now you can’t disagree what increasing out vitality won’t increase our overall durability right? And since when does tanky a little but necessarily mean bad play?

Ok i do understand what u are talking about.

I will apologise for making conflicts.

But don’t forget increasing hp only wont solve the core problem for thief and it may result in more people will say thief op “they hit hard and they are now tanky like warrior and they can stealth too!”

you do realise that thief hp pool is in the core lower than what it should be for the low hp proffesion (ele got more)

You know ele is a good exmaple for this.

Ele is 1 of professions that has so much sustain & tough to kill.

But as u see ele has super low hp and they still survive so well thats because they have good traits/utility skills weapon set skills thats helps sustain/survival. and thieves need those kind of buffs not just hp increase.

One of those two is welcoming havent said that buffing thieves utlities is bad,it can work aswell.

There always been thieves who said it was l2p while other said it is op like mesmers are torned today,and history showed us that thieves got nerfed in the end so I suspect mesmers will too eventually.

denis.9487:

Sandrox.9524:

denis.9487:

aspirine.6852:

Remember the crying from mesmers when thiefs could burst them down from stealth, and now we can do the same and its ok all of a sudden? Come on be honest it;s insane now.

What’s changed? The Mesmer can fight back. It’s insane Mesmer can fight back?!?!?

Pretty much could fight back before,maybe you need to play more..?

That statement “l2p” should be applied before you even posted.

there is no mch to learn when you only need to press #2 on gs and f1 to kill

ranger sword attacks are so horrendous

MidoriMarch.8067:

Nephrite.6954:

MidoriMarch.8067:

Jayden stated everything i wanted to say.
and some of you just dont even understand whats our core problem and just want higher hp pool

Of course we all understand the core problem, the problem that traits are being nerfed without proper speculation. Now you can’t disagree what increasing out vitality won’t increase our overall durability right? And since when does tanky a little but necessarily mean bad play?

Ok i do understand what u are talking about.

I will apologise for making conflicts.

But don’t forget increasing hp only wont solve the core problem for thief and it may result in more people will say thief op “they hit hard and they are now tanky like warrior and they can stealth too!”

you do realise that thief hp pool is in the core lower than what it should be for the low hp proffesion (ele got more)

denis.9487:

aspirine.6852:

Remember the crying from mesmers when thiefs could burst them down from stealth, and now we can do the same and its ok all of a sudden? Come on be honest it;s insane now.

What’s changed? The Mesmer can fight back. It’s insane Mesmer can fight back?!?!?

Pretty much could fight back before,maybe you need to play more..?

MidoriMarch.8067:

Trust me, necro is in top 3 in pvp.

I’ve dueled this Edelweiss (Genesis.7693) guy which claimed thief always win 100% fight against necro. i played necro which was cookie cutter signet build from metabattle and he used d/p i won the duel 16-3. More like thief without using d/p wont even stand a chance against necro.

Necro is already in a good spot yet everytime i check necro forum people always complains. reveal debuff , stability , mobilities. Why not stop the greed? Seems like u guys just want to have everything and be more op like mesmer.

And seems like u guys dont know, thief now hits much harder yes but in return their survivability has been nerfed hard (trait stat bonus removed which result in -200 armor / healing power vitality.) and also practiced tolerence vitality nerf , SA line nerfed (SE , CIS GM) feline grace nerfed. which means its very squishy. Lets be honest Ele/Mesmer/Necro is top tier in pvp.

interesting …he said to me somthing different lol

MidoriMarch.8067:

@Sandrox

you are the ignorant 1
I dont even know if u are playing thief or not.
I am talking about increasing thief vitality wont solve the problem here.

Saying 1 thing-no proof or reason why. Lets all accept what you say based on that you said it.

Extra vit→extra hp→extra survivability against burst→profit
While you say no extra vit cause I said it.
see the problem here?
I only asked for vit increase.

We should do a challenge,the first and fastest person to read all this topic replys,gains 100g .

zapv.8051:

If you are killing a thief in wvw, it’s because that thief is bad, or overcommitted. Thieves should never ever die in wvw, and rarely die in pvp (go watch good thieves, and tell me how many times they die a game). All our aoes don’t mean anything when they can stealth and port away, spam interrupts, and blind every few seconds. A good thief in wvw will chip away at your DS till it’s gone then go in for the kill, and there is very very little you can do about it. Also, even if it where the case that necros where gods of 1vs1 they would still be tough to take on a team because of all the problems in teamfights.

I tend to think the only people saying necro is strong are people who say this based off of strictly their experience. Necros, like every class, can do great when you aren’t playing really good people. When you start to fight people who can dodge all your 3/4 second casts, coordinate burst, and use their cooldowns efficiently you start to see why necros are bottom tier. Also, most if not all of the game balance should be around top tier play (with the exceptions being things like turret engi which was simply infuriating). In top tier play their are very few necros, so clearly necros need buffs.

It is that simple, don’t overcomplicate it with things like, “I think this or that.” The common players opinion isn’t really relevant when talking about balance because the common player hasn’t learned to dodge, rotate and work with their team. There are exceptions to this rule, but in general it is true.

Having said that, necros did get some decent sustain buffs, but the other core problems like lack of stab, easily counterable damage, mobility, invulns, reflects and support are still their.

Nice logic-go see the best players in the world,see? they not dying,why should you? even Sizer dies,altough it is rarly but he does.I also know top tier necromancer streaemr who dosnt die or mesmers so what is your point? ? ? ? ?

you can say when you fight skilled ppl you see why necros is in the bottom or you can say that they simply outplayed you and you need to be BETTER.

Genesis.7693:

Sandrox.9524:

Axelwarrior.9084:

If you are “dominating” Thieves in 1v1, you’re playing aganst bad thieves (or worse than you, at least). End of story, that’s all there is to it.

nope,power necro after patch kills thieves easly cause thieves got nerfed hard.

You have no idea what you’re talking about lol….thief got nothing but buffs and now they hit harder than ever. Any half decent thief that doesn’t just sit and eat your damage will spin circles around you and destroy you. Don’t be disillusioned because you play against less skilled opponents.

Bottom line was necro fell behind comparatively to other classes simply because power creep didn’t hit us as hard. We do 20-30% less damage than before with a marauder amulet compared to old zerk for a net gain of 8% extra crit and 3k hp. If you decide to go zerk ammy then good luck surviving Mesmer burst or thief backstab with that base 19k hp. You’re basically asking to get insta-bursted even if you have full DS.

Ohhh but I do!! I one of the few power FULL GLASS necros that roam in wvw constantly,and I tell you this,not a single d/p thief or d/d thief for that matter has ever beat me in wvw and I roamed for about 4 months,and now I can beat S/d ones too which pre patch it was very hard and I did 20+ duels against top ranked thieves from my server.The one thing I cant do is beat a thief all the time with no DS at all on start.
Now,Necro is not only my top play class-it is the thief aswell,so in thief prespective you dont know the half of what you talking about,thieves got super nerfed,you go ahead and check thief forums we are desperate times my friend…

Axelwarrior.9084:

If you are “dominating” Thieves in 1v1, you’re playing aganst bad thieves (or worse than you, at least). End of story, that’s all there is to it.

nope,power necro after patch kills thieves easly cause thieves got nerfed hard.

Get a gs use #2 close + f1=profit.

on serious note,look for Vashury on youtube he got excellent Tut’s

omfg harry potter book had less text than in this thread

I think Vashury got it covered on his videos.

Vieux P.1238:

So explain to me why i have crossed path vs some thieves that could take on my burst & dish out some of his own back on me? Can someone explain? & fyi, i will admit, i dont have to much trouble vs the squishy ones. I don’t think anybody does.

its happens alot to me,I counter thieves all the time,cause those thieves are on the same boat as you are,so it all comes down to skill when you fight fellow thief.Somtimes it is only who lands backstab first,but in my experince so far,I fought dozens of thieves since patch,even thieves that got the jump on you,and only got outplayed once and that guy dueled me after and I won like 7 out of 10 duels.Pretty much even I would say.

I think they tried to throw alot of bones at us,but they got confused with sticks :P

fireflyry.7023:

Increasing the hp would kill the class for me.

Much like Assassin in GW1, or any other MMO I play, I love playing “glass-cannon” classes that offer high risk vs high reward gameplay. I enjoy being punished for the slightest mistake.

I do agree evasion and mitigation needs an overhaul. Acrobatics is pretty rubbish as it stands but I think the core issue atm is that DPS and conditions aren’t balanced relative to certain health pools, which overall to me reeks of certain classes and skills needing a DPS nerf…not us needing a buff which would imho be counterintuitive and do more harm than good.

Increasing the base hp would just reward and encourage bad play and bad players.

Fixing evasion, mitigation and some of the one-shotting due to outrageous DPS spikes would not.

What you dont see is,your healh pool has been nerfed this patch.you had 15k now you have 13k on glass cannon.If anet gonna give more 3-5k hp you will be still glass cannon,you’ll just wont get one shotted by killshots or mesmer all the time

What if im on OMFG but playing a thief( A SPY A SPYYYYYY)

j/k mesmer is too easy for me atm so I switched thief(like the challenge :/) so,bottom line am I be able to join this fun charade?

Jayden Ennok.3687:

Nephrite.6954:

Majority of the people I’ve met who actually played thief long enough understands this thread. I’m just baffled by the fact that you guys still don’t get the point. I never requested them to increase our health pool to the highest level like necros or warriors, never once I’ve stated that if you read the posts obove. I really don’t want to make my statements rude cause things can get real toxic if you’ve read my previous post and other people on gw2 forum. Guardians are well known for having exceptionally high sustain without much effort, they’ve got a good deal of damage output as well as proper damage mitigation. Fresh air eles getting faced rolled? You seriously don’t expect anyone to trait into full damage output and expect to live long enough right? Is your logic seriously that limited(sorry I just had to). I mean you seriously think that thieves have enough sustain in the current state and that the dev is gonna stop the endless irrationally unjustified nerfs? Giving us medium health pool will provide some breathing room as well as opening the opportunity to not die like flies, exactly like what that’s been stated above. Btw Jayden I’ve seen your post before about thieves, I don’t wish to seem personal but it seems like you seriously seem like a person who would state things with absolute prejudice. It seems as if prejudice should be your middle name.

It doesn’t matter if the HP increase would be to medium or the highest health pools. Without improved active defence, the extra padding with more vitality melts really fast.

You seriously don’t expect anyone to trait into full damage output and expect to live long enough right?

I compared equivalent stat choices for same HP pool classes, ele can die even faster than a thief if hit by the same attack. And it is due to current overbuffed dmg everyone has that the lowest HP classes can die in 1 hit. Why should a thief class be an exception and get more HP to cope with the dmg currently in the game. The solution to that is to nerf dmg output across all classes, not give 1 class more HP.

Because this thread is meant for legitimate points.

What makes a point not legitimate? The fact that someone doens’t agree with you?

ok,give thief the ele active defense,almost perma protection,and self sustain. i will be happy to stay with this on low hp pool.

Liza.2758:

my only issue would be … there are not enough dmg on weapon skills.

you have to slot well or signet power regarding to your build to help up the burst.

when you have to spend slot for burst. it really hurts your mobility so…

and oh plz i’m not counting that DS 1 spamming. That’s way more boring than pew pew ranger

dagger auto attack is one of the deadliest akills ingame.